An Open Appeal - Don't Vote Fianna Fáil!

Fitzerb

Laminations wrote: »

Sorry I thought they had said they were black. They weren't asked if they were registered to vote. From their account they were asked 'do you vote' in a very patronising way.

We dont know what the tone was. Again lets twist the facts to make a story. Jesus if we could sell perception we would have no crisis.

Het-Field

Fitzerb wrote: »

Great answer................... Just give me time to think it out

Your being facetious about the whole thing. Im not wasting any more time with you.

Fitzerb

Het-Field wrote: »

Your being facetious about the whole thing. Im not wasting any more time with you.

No problem. I am glad I gave you the facts.

Brenireland

Look let me put it this way.

The Election is coming up & you have an important decision to make.

You may decide not to Vote No.1 to FF,and instead you may decide to vote for either,Fine Gael/Labour/the Greens or whoever.

But you watch & learn when/if these party's get into government you will be begging for FF to come back as soon as this time next year.

Het-Field

Brenireland wrote: »

Look let me put it this way.

The Election is coming up & you have an important decision to make.

You may decide not to Vote No.1 to FF,and instead you may decide to vote for either,Fine Gael/Labour/the Greens or whoever.

But you watch & learn when/if these party's get into government you will be begging for FF to come back as soon as this time next year.

Why ?

wee truck big driver

was talking to somebody from the states where the ecconomy is worse than here and he sid everybody over there is blaming fianna fail too. talking to a few brits and they said tony balir and gordon where sound fellas it was all bertie and brians fault even the spanish where blaming them well i think they where oh and all them egyptians seen them burning f.f posters

Laminations

Fitzerb wrote: »

We dont know what the tone was. Again lets twist the facts to make a story. Jesus if we could sell perception we would have no crisis.

Hmmm I think tone was well described in the post

When I answered the door, instead of handing me a leaflet and asking if I was going to vote, like other canvassers were doing, this lady looked at me and said in a very loud and clear voice (as if she was talking to a deaf old lady?) : ”Y-O-U D -O-N’T H-A-V-E A V-O-T-E !”

I was very taken back, and I asked her “why did you say that?”.

She ignored my question, raised her voice further, and kept asking repeatedly: “ D-O Y-O-U H-A-V-E A V-O-T-E?”

You wouldn't say that that is patronising? How would you interpret it?

Fitzerb

Mr.Micro wrote: »

OH I think there is years and years in NAMA and its real role, golden circles etc. Just think what may come out if the Police conclude their investigations into Anglo, already a case pending against Drumm in the US. I am sure we will find in time FF have had a lot to do with the whole mess. We wait with bated breath for the Mahon report. We will be spoilt for choice.

There is no need for the Mahon report. According to your earlier posts you have made your mind up. Others will await the democratic finding of the tribunal.
How do you know Nama's real role ? has it changed ?
Ahhh the FF rant I forgot.

Brenireland

Het-Field wrote: »

Why ?

More vacuous nonsense from a troll.

Look I give up discussing this topic with you if you are going to accuse me of trolling,I believe that accusation could be classified as possibly been back seat modding.

Fitzerb

Laminations wrote: »

Hmmm I think tone was well described in the post



You wouldn't say that that is patronising? How would you interpret it?

I think you have to "hear" a tone before you decide if something was patronising,

Laminations

Brenireland wrote: »

Look let me put it this way.

The Election is coming up & you have an important decision to make.

You may decide not to Vote No.1 to FF,and instead you may decide to vote for either,Fine Gael/Labour/the Greens or whoever.

But you watch & learn when/if these party's get into government you will be begging for FF to come back as soon as this time next year.

I think I asked for a substantive answer. One where you properly lay out the FF policies that are different and better than the others and the specific opposition policies you disagree with and why. Again we are looking for substantive, not 'they're rubbish'

Het-Field

Brenireland wrote: »

Look I give up discussing this topic with you if you are going to accuse me of trolling,I believe that accusation could be classified as possibly been back seat modding.

Fine. If I retract the allegation, will you deal with my first response to your post where I believe you have spun, and misrepresented the true position.

Laminations

Fitzerb wrote: »

I think you have to "hear" a tone before you decide if something was patronising,

Oh reeeeally? And someone like you would know that...

goat2

scr123 wrote: »

Its truly amazing the amount of anti FF threads opened on message boards. Its clear as a whistle to me message boards are dominated 99% by ABFF brigade. At this stage the ABFF are talking to themselves on message boards. The rare FF saupporter like myself have to be on the alert all the time not to say something that will give the ABFF an excuse to have us shafted by the mods. Maybe its me who is the fool to even bother making the few posts I do

i have been angry with fianna fail, yet they are the party that i voted in time after time, now that we are at this stage, electioneering seeing the other parties proposals, i think i am better off with the crowd i know rather than vote in people who could do worse, our outbacks in this country will die if irish is made less important, you have parts of waterford, cork, kerry, donegal, galway and i cant think where else, that have summer students from around the country joining families in these gaeltacht areas to learn irish, there are irish summer colleges, then there is the local economy in these areas, the bean a ti, who shop local for groceries to feed the students, so in the heel of it the shops, restaurents, petrol stations, butchers, will all suffer if these close down, i have not heard what fine gael is going to do in relation to these, are they in favour of keeping this, or are there going to be lots of people out of work, and lots of would be students who would enjoy their first time away from family to join a family for a few weeks learning the language missing out, if these services are stopped or not supported

Fitzerb

Laminations wrote: »

Oh reeeeally? And someone like you would know that...

Correct

skippy5

humanji wrote: »

Have you actually read her post?

hope you had a look at some of the other posters comments. I rest my case!!!

keithm1

Which ever county votes fianna failure in ,will be the butt end of jokes for years to come ,so do it for your county if your too blind to see any of the obvious reasons not to vote for them
I've never understood why people follow political partys like football teams you don't have to support them the rest of your lives people ,if there not doing the business get them out

Laminations

Fitzerb wrote: »

Correct

Oh dear. Either that 'correct' means you can spot patronising tone, which means you spotted it in my post, which means you don't need to hear the tone to determine if it's patronising, or that you didn't spot it in my post which makes your 'correct' incorrect

Brenireland

Het-Field wrote: »

Fine. If I retract the allegation, will you deal with my first response to your post where I believe you have spun, and misrepresented the true position.

sorry,could you perhaps point out which posts you are referring to please.

Mr.Micro

Fitzerb wrote: »

There is no need for the Mahon report. According to your earlier posts you have made your mind up. Others will await the democratic finding of the tribunal.
How do you know Nama's real role ? has it changed ?
Ahhh the FF rant I forgot.

Most people have made their minds up re Mahon. The report will just give all the details. FF and democratic:D blocking bye-elections another party trick (excuse the pun). The role of NAMA was to bail out the banks, developers and FF cronies. Poor FF so addicted to power it cannot live with the possibility that FG/Labour may well be in charge soon to try to clean up the FF mess.

Het-Field

Brenireland wrote: »

sorry,could you perhaps point out which posts you are referring to please.

The one to which you simply responded with :rolleyes:

Post No 186 @ pg 13 of this thread.

skippy5

Anyone out there ever sit back and think for a second about the cries from FG LB SF after every budget durning the boom years, they all wanted more and more and said the government were not going far enough with their spending. Maybe we should thank our lucky stars that FF were in power or we could be is twice as much bother?

Fitzerb

goat2 wrote: »

i have been angry with fianna fail, yet they are the party that i voted in time after time, now that we are at this stage, electioneering seeing the other parties proposals, i think i am better off with the crowd i know rather than vote in people who could do worse, our outbacks in this country will die if irish is made less important, you have parts of waterford, cork, kerry, donegal, galway and i cant think where else, that have summer students from around the country joining families in these gaeltacht areas to learn irish, there are irish summer colleges, then there is the local economy in these areas, the bean a ti, who shop local for groceries to feed the students, so in the heel of it the shops, restaurents, petrol stations, butchers, will all suffer if these close down, i have not heard what fine gael is going to do in relation to these, are they in favour of keeping this, or are there going to be lots of people out of work, and lots of would be students who would enjoy their first time away from family to join a family for a few weeks learning the language missing out, if these services are stopped or not supported

At long last a poster without a rant……………….
I think FG have made a mistake with their Irish language policy. A lot of Irish people take our heritage and culture serious. To be fair it’s the only serious error of judgement hey have made so far in their campaign. I can relate to the anger about FF and in fairness they don’t deserve to be re-elected into Government based on performance. I also don’t think it good for democracy that one party is in Government for 15 years. The reasons I will vote for FF are.
A. We need a strong opposition. Any parties with too big of a majority will lose their discipline on the hard votes.
B. They are a republican party that holds the ideal of a democratic 32 county Irish Republic close to their values and it is a value I cherish. I don’t trust FG with policy on NI.
I think a single Government of FG by 5 or 6 seats would be the best outcome with a strong opposition to keep the pressure on. FG/Lab will be a disaster for us. They are poles apart on some of the important policies.

I don’t buy into the rubbish rants about FF on Boards.ie. that are sometimes based on Daily Mail headlines. The ABFF posters here are now nearly a cult and will soon all live together in Joe Higgin’s back garden

Liam Byrne

Fitzerb wrote: »

I don’t buy into the rubbish rants about FF on Boards.ie.

You don't buy in to valid criticism of them either.

Fitzerb wrote: »

that are sometimes based on Daily Mail headlines.

Yet again, you throw out that rubbish. Unless a poster has somehow left a webcam on you can't possibly know what newspaper (and I use the term loosely considering we're talking Daily Mail here) they read.

Fitzerb wrote: »

The ABFF posters here are now nearly a cult and will soon all live together in Joe Higgin’s back garden

The FF posters are more of a cult because - with the possibly exception of hallelujahjordan - they refuse to accept any factual criticism of their beloved party.

I also have no idea where Joe Higgins lives, and have no interest in moving house; but hey, feel free to throw out pointless Bull (O'Donoghue) style ranting soundbytes instead of actually discussing the issues.

Brenireland

Het-Field wrote: »

The National debt is now at a level beyond our wildest dreams. That is regardless of whether you want to consider the banking debt as part of the national debt. As you conceed that the banks are de facto nationalised, so I assume you see the bank debt in the same vein as sovreign debt.



Have FG not put forward a comprehensive 5 point plan ? Im no FGer, but I say hats off to them for putting this together. As FG are virtually out of opposition, the negativity will have to be positivity. On the other hand, judging by FF's previosu stint in opposition, we are on the cusp of the most reactionary opposition ever.


remember that in Ireland:




With a far higher unemployment rate then in the early years of the first FF/PD administration. 13.5 % doesnt lie.



A vague and meaningless platitude direct from the Coughlan/O'Keefe Spin



With a significantly greater number of jobs lost.



A baseless and untrue assertion



The EU's attitude to our 12.5% may change that. Either way, some have little more then a skelatal staff..

In case you have not noticed, all forecasts were downgraded last month.




The plummet of 13 places in 2008 in the OECD and EU rankings has also escaped your notice ? Otherwise you are deliberately misrepresenting the situation

Honestly, you must be the last person who is buying the FF spin.[/QUOTE]

Look I have seen Fine Gael 5 point Plan and I complement them for their organisational skill it is well put together & very understandable for most.

Now here are some points I came across with regards FG & should they get into government.

With regards Neutrality 1st off!

& this is in fact what the minister of defence has stated!:

Defence Spokesperson, Niall Collins has warned that Fine Gael in government would endanger Irish neutrality.

“In their manifesto, Fine Gael say that they want ‘Ireland to get involved in the construction of a new European security system at an early stage so that we can join and influence it’.”

“This is a deeply concerning move. There is no doubt but that this would be a precursor to a deeper military engagement in Europe.”

“It also seems to me that this is one of the reasons they published their manifesto so late in the campaign lest this become a big issue.”

“Fine Gael also wants us to abandon the requirement to that our Defence Forces participate only in United Nations approved missions. I believe that this is fundamentally misguided and that Irish people are only comfortable with our Defence Forces serving overseas in UN Missions. They also know that the UN flag provides added security and protection to Irish troops on such missions. Abandoning the UN mandate could put the lives of our Defence Forces in jeopardy. That’s not a risk that Fianna Fáil is willing to take.”

“Make no mistake. Fine Gael in government would be a big threat to our neutrality.”

Now with regards FG'S Policy on Agriculture Fisheries & food!/this is what Brendan Smith had to say:

“decimation of the Department of Agriculture, Fisheries and Food and demonstrates a staggering misunderstanding of the Department and its relationship with the Irish farming community and the multi-billion agri-food industry.”

The Fine Gael proposals raise more questions than they do solutions and fly in the face of its commitment to reduce the number of Government agencies, with a commitment to a one-stop-shop which will be responsible for farm payments.

Is it intended that the Single Farm Payment, REPS, AEOS, Disadvantaged Area Scheme, Grassland Sheep Scheme, Forestry premia payments will all be paid by the same agency as will make Social Protection payments? Is it intended that eligibility for payments will be determined by an agency other than the one-stop-shop paying agency or will thousands of staff from the Department of Agriculture, Fisheries and Food now transfer to the paying agency?

Direct payments to Irish farmers are worth some €1.8 billion per annum and Ireland has consistently been one of the first countries to release single payment funding and has the most efficient payment record of any member state of the EU. Fine Gael’s proposals have the obvious potential to seriously compromise this record and, far from making the payments system more efficient, could significantly delay the timing of farm payments, causing serious cashflow problems and putting considerable financial pressure on farm families.

Fianna Fáil has recognised the value of the agri-food sector and has identified it as being central to economic recovery in Ireland over the next decade. Ireland’s reputation for very high quality food production has been hard-earned and could be easily lost.

The Department of Agriculture, Fisheries and Food plays a crucial role in protecting food safety, as evidenced on several occasions recently. At all times, the inter-agency approach has worked effectively and the proposal to establish a “new super-agency makes no sense and will be completely counter-productive to the targets set out in Food Harvest 2020 by removing the Department from any involvement in monitoring food safety. The reality is that the agri-food sector is a seamless chain from farm to fork and the Fine Gael proposals involve the removal of the Department from that chain. Such a move would seriously undermine the quality of vital professional services offered to our largest indigenous industry”, stated Brendan Smith.

Minister Smith concluded by saying that “public Service reform is undoubtedly necessary and very considerable progress has already been made in the rationalisation of the Department’s local office network and the increased use of IT, both by farmers and the Department, with a consequential substantial reduction in staff numbers, particularly over the past two years, which have yielded significant financial savings for the Exchequer. The Fine Gael proposals in relation to the future of the Department of Agriculture, Fisheries and Food smack of reform for reform’s sake.”


And this is another important topic with regards the Irish Language & Enda Kenny's position,this is from Mary Coughlan:

Enda Kenny’s call on anyone who disagrees with his Irish language policy to ‘grow up’ is an insult to the majority of Irish people who see through his increasingly bizarre defence of his discredited plan to downgrade the status of Irish in our education system.



The only one who needs to ‘grow up’ and admit he is wrong on this issue is Enda Kenny. Speaking on An Saol Ó Dheas on Raidió na Gaeltachta this morning Mr. Kenny failed yet again to provide a single shred of evidence or research to support his position.



In recent weeks, as he has come under increasing pressure on this issue, Mr.Kenny has been talking vaguely about ‘carrying out a review’ and ‘a consultation process’ before introducing his policy. When questioned by Helen Ní Shé on RnaG this morning Mr.Kenny insisted that he would implement his policy irrespective of the outcome of his proposed review. Either Mr. Kenny doesn’t understand the basic premise of consultation or he is trying to con people.



Earlier today, Mr. Kenny claimed on Radio Kerry that young Irish people ‘hate’ the Irish language. This is both untrue and an insult to thousands of young people nationwide.



As with the original basis for his policy, his latest assertions are not based in any research and have no scientific justification. Instead, Enda is relying entirely on anecdotal evidence gathered from talking to school children. One wonders if he asked those same schoolchildren whether they liked Maths, or English, or Geography or, indeed, whether or not they liked school!



In the TG4 debate, it was obvious that Enda was unable to substantiate his position when challenged by Micheál Martin . He said that it was a ‘personal issue’. That much at least appears to be true as nobody with any understanding of the issue agrees with him.



I would spell out a few basic facts for Deputy Kenny. In a recent Ipsos MRBI opinion poll the findings clearly showed that 61% of people supported the retention of the current status of Irish at Leaving Cert level. This figure was 65% for 15-24 year olds with only 26% supporting Mr.Kenny's plan. All research shows that a huge majority of Irish people, upwards of 80%, have a favourable attitude to Irish.



All the scientific evidence and research clearly contradicts Enda Kenny’s broader policy stance. In fact, the evidence and academic advice clearly indicates that the adoption of his policy will lead to the gradual decline of the language. This will undo the great work underway over recent years to promote the language nationwide and protect its status as the primary community language of the Gaeltacht. It is now time for Enda Kenny to grow up and admit he is simply wrong on this issue and to stop insulting people with his illogical arguments and phoney ‘reviews’.

Now you can say many jobs have been lost over the last few months but Ireland is currently employing more than it has ever done!,and we are in a global depression,but we can get out of it.

If you go by the above articles do you believe FG to be the Best option?

goat2

Fitzerb wrote: »

At long last a poster without a rant……………….
I think FG have made a mistake with their Irish language policy. A lot of Irish people take our heritage and culture serious. To be fair it’s the only serious error of judgement hey have made so far in their campaign. I can relate to the anger about FF and in fairness they don’t deserve to be re-elected into Government based on performance. I also don’t think it good for democracy that one party is in Government for 15 years. The reasons I will vote for FF are.
A. We need a strong opposition. Any parties with too big of a majority will lose their discipline on the hard votes.
B. They are a republican party that holds the ideal of a democratic 32 county Irish Republic close to their values and it is a value I cherish. I don’t trust FG with policy on NI.
I think a single Government of FG by 5 or 6 seats would be the best outcome with a strong opposition to keep the pressure on. FG/Lab will be a disaster for us. They are poles apart on some of the important policies.

I don’t buy into the rubbish rants about FF on Boards.ie. that are sometimes based on Daily Mail headlines. The ABFF posters here are now nearly a cult and will soon all live together in Joe Higgin’s back garden

agree, our heritage is all we have left, so irish language is part of this, as for the past mistakes of ff, i am sure that if they were back in position with this new leader, they would do things differently, and the become better, and they are yes a republician party which is another plus

Mr.Micro

Brenireland wrote: »

If you go by the above articles do you believe FG to be the Best option?

any party other than FF would be a better option. FG are probably the superior option, just go with it you know you want to, logic says FG/Labour.

wee truck big driver

goat2 wrote: »

agree, our heritage is all we have left, so irish language is part of this, as for the past mistakes of ff, i am sure that if they were back in position with this new leader, they would do things differently, and the become better, and they are yes a republician party which is another plus

they are a republican party ... king of the one liners have to stop now tears running down my face

Fitzerb

Mr.Micro wrote: »

Most people have made their minds up re Mahon.

You mean most people who read the Daily Mail

The report will just give all the details.

And you will accept them ONLY if they are the reports YOU want to hear no doubt

FF and democratic:D blocking bye-elections another party trick (excuse the pun).

Blocking ?. Not calling a bye election is not blocking a bye election. Its using the "unfair" rule to your advantage

The role of NAMA was to bail out the banks, developers and FF cronies.

NAMA's role was to remove and manage the toxic debt from the banks. It was the Government who bailed the banks out. I really dont see the developers as part of your imagery golden circle as NAMA have already buried a number of the developers including the looney who wanted drive his cement mixer into the Dail. But then again your rant sounds better by including them.
Can you name the FF Cronies who are connected to NAMA and Developers. Or should we leave it to enchance your rant.

Poor FF so addicted to power it cannot live with the possibility that FG/Labour may well be in charge soon to try to clean up the FF mess.

Just like FG, FF will come back the stronger for their errors. I note already you are making excuses for FG/LAb saying they had to clean up FF's mess. That is not part of their manifesto but its a good excuse if they fail.

However you are right on one thing about being not able to live with the possibility of FG/Lab in charge, unfortunately it will prove that none us can live with FG/Lab in charge.

goat2

Brenireland wrote: »

In case you have not noticed, all forecasts were downgraded last month.




The plummet of 13 places in 2008 in the OECD and EU rankings has also escaped your notice ? Otherwise you are deliberately misrepresenting the situation

Honestly, you must be the last person who is buying the FF spin.

Look I have seen Fine Gael 5 point Plan and I complement them for their organisational skill it is well put together & very understandable for most.

Now here are some points I came across with regards FG & should they get into government.

With regards Neutrality 1st off!

& this is in fact what the minister of defence has stated!:

Defence Spokesperson, Niall Collins has warned that Fine Gael in government would endanger Irish neutrality.

“In their manifesto, Fine Gael say that they want ‘Ireland to get involved in the construction of a new European security system at an early stage so that we can join and influence it’.”

“This is a deeply concerning move. There is no doubt but that this would be a precursor to a deeper military engagement in Europe.”

“It also seems to me that this is one of the reasons they published their manifesto so late in the campaign lest this become a big issue.”

“Fine Gael also wants us to abandon the requirement to that our Defence Forces participate only in United Nations approved missions. I believe that this is fundamentally misguided and that Irish people are only comfortable with our Defence Forces serving overseas in UN Missions. They also know that the UN flag provides added security and protection to Irish troops on such missions. Abandoning the UN mandate could put the lives of our Defence Forces in jeopardy. That’s not a risk that Fianna Fáil is willing to take.”

“Make no mistake. Fine Gael in government would be a big threat to our neutrality.”

Now with regards FG'S Policy on Agriculture Fisheries & food!/this is what Brendan Smith had to say:

“decimation of the Department of Agriculture, Fisheries and Food and demonstrates a staggering misunderstanding of the Department and its relationship with the Irish farming community and the multi-billion agri-food industry.”

The Fine Gael proposals raise more questions than they do solutions and fly in the face of its commitment to reduce the number of Government agencies, with a commitment to a one-stop-shop which will be responsible for farm payments.

Is it intended that the Single Farm Payment, REPS, AEOS, Disadvantaged Area Scheme, Grassland Sheep Scheme, Forestry premia payments will all be paid by the same agency as will make Social Protection payments? Is it intended that eligibility for payments will be determined by an agency other than the one-stop-shop paying agency or will thousands of staff from the Department of Agriculture, Fisheries and Food now transfer to the paying agency?

Direct payments to Irish farmers are worth some €1.8 billion per annum and Ireland has consistently been one of the first countries to release single payment funding and has the most efficient payment record of any member state of the EU. Fine Gael’s proposals have the obvious potential to seriously compromise this record and, far from making the payments system more efficient, could significantly delay the timing of farm payments, causing serious cashflow problems and putting considerable financial pressure on farm families.

Fianna Fáil has recognised the value of the agri-food sector and has identified it as being central to economic recovery in Ireland over the next decade. Ireland’s reputation for very high quality food production has been hard-earned and could be easily lost.

The Department of Agriculture, Fisheries and Food plays a crucial role in protecting food safety, as evidenced on several occasions recently. At all times, the inter-agency approach has worked effectively and the proposal to establish a “new super-agency makes no sense and will be completely counter-productive to the targets set out in Food Harvest 2020 by removing the Department from any involvement in monitoring food safety. The reality is that the agri-food sector is a seamless chain from farm to fork and the Fine Gael proposals involve the removal of the Department from that chain. Such a move would seriously undermine the quality of vital professional services offered to our largest indigenous industry”, stated Brendan Smith.

Minister Smith concluded by saying that “public Service reform is undoubtedly necessary and very considerable progress has already been made in the rationalisation of the Department’s local office network and the increased use of IT, both by farmers and the Department, with a consequential substantial reduction in staff numbers, particularly over the past two years, which have yielded significant financial savings for the Exchequer. The Fine Gael proposals in relation to the future of the Department of Agriculture, Fisheries and Food smack of reform for reform’s sake.”


And this is another important topic with regards the Irish Language & Enda Kenny's position,this is from Mary Coughlan:

Enda Kenny’s call on anyone who disagrees with his Irish language policy to ‘grow up’ is an insult to the majority of Irish people who see through his increasingly bizarre defence of his discredited plan to downgrade the status of Irish in our education system.



The only one who needs to ‘grow up’ and admit he is wrong on this issue is Enda Kenny. Speaking on An Saol Ó Dheas on Raidió na Gaeltachta this morning Mr. Kenny failed yet again to provide a single shred of evidence or research to support his position.



In recent weeks, as he has come under increasing pressure on this issue, Mr.Kenny has been talking vaguely about ‘carrying out a review’ and ‘a consultation process’ before introducing his policy. When questioned by Helen Ní Shé on RnaG this morning Mr.Kenny insisted that he would implement his policy irrespective of the outcome of his proposed review. Either Mr. Kenny doesn’t understand the basic premise of consultation or he is trying to con people.



Earlier today, Mr. Kenny claimed on Radio Kerry that young Irish people ‘hate’ the Irish language. This is both untrue and an insult to thousands of young people nationwide.



As with the original basis for his policy, his latest assertions are not based in any research and have no scientific justification. Instead, Enda is relying entirely on anecdotal evidence gathered from talking to school children. One wonders if he asked those same schoolchildren whether they liked Maths, or English, or Geography or, indeed, whether or not they liked school!



In the TG4 debate, it was obvious that Enda was unable to substantiate his position when challenged by Micheál Martin . He said that it was a ‘personal issue’. That much at least appears to be true as nobody with any understanding of the issue agrees with him.



I would spell out a few basic facts for Deputy Kenny. In a recent Ipsos MRBI opinion poll the findings clearly showed that 61% of people supported the retention of the current status of Irish at Leaving Cert level. This figure was 65% for 15-24 year olds with only 26% supporting Mr.Kenny's plan. All research shows that a huge majority of Irish people, upwards of 80%, have a favourable attitude to Irish.



All the scientific evidence and research clearly contradicts Enda Kenny’s broader policy stance. In fact, the evidence and academic advice clearly indicates that the adoption of his policy will lead to the gradual decline of the language. This will undo the great work underway over recent years to promote the language nationwide and protect its status as the primary community language of the Gaeltacht. It is now time for Enda Kenny to grow up and admit he is simply wrong on this issue and to stop insulting people with his illogical arguments and phoney ‘reviews’.

Now you can say many jobs have been lost over the last few months but Ireland is currently employing more than it has ever done!,and we are in a global depression,but we can get out of it.

If you go by the above articles do you believe FG to be the Best option?[/QUOTE]

in all honesty, and after reading through your post, i am flabergasted, if fg gets an overall majority, we are going down the tubes far faster than we did in the past two years, mr kenny is a muinteoir and he has little regard for the irish language, even though i know it is true, i cannot beleive what he wants to do

Fitzerb

wee truck big driver wrote: »

they are a republican party ... king of the one liners have to stop now tears running down my face

Is that because of an eye ailment

wee truck big driver

Mr.Micro wrote: »

any party other than FF would be a better option. FG are probably the superior option, just go with it you know you want to, logic says FG/Labour.

strange that f.g are going to be running the country with a leader who as far as we know couldnt run a chip shop and his right hand man is an ex-leader who failed miserably and was put out to pasture, sure things can only get better

Laminations

goat2 wrote: »

agree, our heritage is all we have left, so irish language is part of this, as for the past mistakes of ff, i am sure that if they were back in position with this new leader, they would do things differently, and the become better, and they are yes a republician party which is another plus

My god, you people are some spoofers and revisionists. The Irish language policy was only released in the last week. Before that you concocted some other reason to not vote FG..

wee truck big driver

Laminations wrote: »

My god, you people are some spoofers and revisionists. The Irish language policy was only released in the last week. Before that you concocted some other reason to not vote FG..

yes their policies are ****e

Liam Byrne

wee truck big driver wrote: »

strange that f.g are going to be running the country with a leader who as far as we know couldnt run a chip shop

How do you "know" this ? When did Kenny try to run a chip shop and fail ?

wee truck big driver wrote: »

and his right hand man is an ex-leader who failed miserably and was put out to pasture

Is Ahern still running for president ?

Fitzerb

Liam Byrne wrote: »

You don't buy in to valid criticism of them either.



Yet again, you throw out that rubbish. Unless a poster has somehow left a webcam on you can't possibly know what newspaper (and I use the term loosely considering we're talking Daily Mail here) they read.



The FF posters are more of a cult because - with the possibly exception of hallelujahjordan - they refuse to accept any factual criticism of their beloved party.

I also have no idea where Joe Higgins lives, and have no interest in moving house; but hey, feel free to throw out pointless Bull (O'Donoghue) style ranting soundbytes instead of actually discussing the issues.

name the issue you want to discuss but please supply factual details. I am more than willing to discuss any issue. I would also consider some of your posts to be the masters of rants and sound bites. But that is only an opinion and not an insult just in case there is a rush to report me.

Mr.Micro

Fitzerb wrote: »

You mean most people who read the Daily Mail



And you will accept them ONLY if they are the reports YOU want to hear no doubt



Blocking ?. Not calling a bye election is not blocking a bye election. Its using the "unfair" rule to your advantage



NAMA's role was to remove and manage the toxic debt from the banks. It was the Government who bailed the banks out. I really dont see the developers as part of your imagery golden circle as NAMA have already buried a number of the developers including the looney who wanted drive his cement mixer into the Dail. But then again your rant sounds better by including them.
Can you name the FF Cronies who are connected to NAMA and Developers. Or should we leave it to enchance your rant.



Just like FG, FF will come back the stronger for their errors. I note already you are making excuses for FG/LAb saying they had to clean up FF's mess. That is not part of their manifesto but its a good excuse if they fail.

However you are right on one thing about being not able to live with the possibility of FG/Lab in charge, unfortunately it will prove that none us can live with FG/Lab in charge.

You come across as extremely bitter at the prospect of FG/Labour leading the country? FF are not fit to Govern and may never recover (hopefully) politically. As far as FG/Lab having to clean up the FF mess it is not in their manifestos as the mess is already there as fact/reality.

Mr.Micro

wee truck big driver wrote: »

strange that f.g are going to be running the country with a leader who as far as we know couldnt run a chip shop and his right hand man is an ex-leader who failed miserably and was put out to pasture, sure things can only get better

So long as they are sober not like someone who will be leaving office soon.

Fitzerb

wee truck big driver wrote: »

strange that f.g are going to be running the country with a leader who as far as we know couldnt run a chip shop and his right hand man is an ex-leader who failed miserably and was put out to pasture, sure things can only get better

I am not a FG supporter, not by a long long way but I would take michael Noonan over wee Gerry any day of the week. Noonan is a decent man (wrong party) but a decent man who didnt have to return to the national limelight and in his circumstances of his wifes illnes I respect him for that.
As for wee Gerry Adams, he is lying to-rag.

wee truck big driver

Mr.Micro wrote: »

So long as they are sober not like someone who will be leaving office soon.

what has this to do with anything some people would still be more capable drunk than others would be sober. the only hope for f.g is that they need labour to make up a goverment in the next dail at least that way they can shirk some of the responsibility for the hole we will inevitably find ourselves in

Liam Byrne

Fitzerb wrote: »

I would also consider some of your posts to be the masters of rants and sound bites.

I'm not actually surprised....particularly since you also think that many boards posts are based on rubbish like the Daily Mail.

How you can then keep a straight face while implying that other people rant and soundbite is beyond me, given that the above is so ridiculous.

Fitzerb wrote: »

But that is only an opinion and not an insult just in case there is a rush to report me.

One does not necessarily exclude the other, especially if there's no proof - e.g. if I said "It's my opinion that xxxxx is a thief" then it would still be a valid candidate for reporting, because I can't claim stuff like that without knowing the facts.

So - back to this "opinion" that boards posts are based on Daily Mail headlines....any facts whatsoever to even remotely substantiate that ?

Fitzerb

Fitzerb wrote: »

Fitzerb wrote: »

At long last a poster without a rant……………….
I think FG have made a mistake with their Irish language policy. A lot of Irish people take our heritage and culture serious. To be fair it’s the only serious error of judgement hey have made so far in their campaign. I can relate to the anger about FF and in fairness they don’t deserve to be re-elected into Government based on performance. I also don’t think it good for democracy that one party is in Government for 15 years. The reasons I will vote for FF are.
A. We need a strong opposition. Any parties with too big of a majority will lose their discipline on the hard votes.
B. They are a republican party that holds the ideal of a democratic 32 county Irish Republic close to their values and it is a value I cherish. I don’t trust FG with policy on NI.
I think a single Government of FG by 5 or 6 seats would be the best outcome with a strong opposition to keep the pressure on. FG/Lab will be a disaster for us. They are poles apart on some of the important policies.

I don’t buy into the rubbish rants about FF on Boards.ie. that are sometimes based on Daily Mail headlines. The ABFF posters here are now nearly a cult and will soon all live together in Joe Higgin’s back garden

Mr.Micro wrote: »

You come across as extremely bitter at the prospect of FG/Labour leading the country? FF are not fit to Govern and may never recover (hopefully) politically. As far as FG/Lab having to clean up the FF mess it is not in their manifestos as the mess is already there as fact/reality.

I think if you read the post above you will see that bitterness is something I dont do. I try to do facts. Try it.

wee truck big driver

Fitzerb wrote: »

I am not a FG supporter, not by a long long way but I would take michael Noonan over wee Gerry any day of the week. Noonan is a decent man (wrong party) but a decent man who didnt have to return to the national limelight and in his circumstances of his wifes illnes I respect him for that.
As for wee Gerry Adams, he is lying to-rag.

gerry adams is without doubt the hardest working politican in ireland. he has truly dedicated his life to his country. he is definetly not part of a party where the main driving force for joining is greed for money and power ( f.f and f.g and to some extent labour ) he has risked his life for his country and got very little in return at least the people of louth have a chance to show their appreciation

Mr.Micro

wee truck big driver wrote: »

what has this to do with anything some people would still be more capable drunk than others would be sober. the only hope for f.g is that they need labour to make up a goverment in the next dail at least that way they can shirk some of the responsibility for the hole we will inevitably find ourselves in

Would you want a surgeon who is not sober doing a procedure or any professional for that matter? FG/Labour will do a far better job than the incompetents that have just left office. Let's face it that will not be hard. You might not mind a drunk in charge of the country....and the mess is evident, but most people do mind.

Fitzerb

Liam Byrne wrote: »

You don't buy in to valid criticism of them either.




I also have no idea where Joe Higgins lives, and have no interest in moving house; but hey, feel free to throw out pointless Bull (O'Donoghue) style ranting soundbytes instead of actually discussing the issues.

Liam Byrne wrote: »

I'm not actually surprised....particularly since you also think that many boards posts are based on rubbish like the Daily Mail.


So - back to this "opinion" that boards posts are based on Daily Mail headlines....any facts whatsoever to even remotely substantiate that ?

Is that issues you want to discuss The Daily Mail ?

goat2

wee truck big driver wrote: »

gerry adams is without doubt the hardest working politican in ireland. he has truly dedicated his life to his country. he is definetly not part of a party where the main driving force for joining is greed for money and power ( f.f and f.g and to some extent labour ) he has risked his life for his country and got very little in return at least the people of louth have a chance to show their appreciation

my mind has been made up in this past week as to who is getting my first preference, and of the lot of them i would rather stick with the same ff candidate i voted for last time, he is a good person, hard working, done alot for this country,

skippy5

Mr.Micro wrote: »

Would you want a surgeon who is not sober doing a procedure or any professional for that matter? FG/Labour will do a far better job than the incompetents that have just left office. Let's face it that will not be hard. You might not mind a drunk in charge of the country....and the mess is evident, but most people do mind.

So you would rather have a cardboard poster as our leader. We will be the laughing stock

Liam Byrne

Fitzerb wrote: »

Is that issues you want to discuss The Daily Mail ?

The "issue" is you making claims on boards as part of a discussion that are ridiculous, in order to discredit and avoid valid discussion, and then ridiculously claiming the high moral ground that you "deal in facts".

Mr.Micro

Fitzerb wrote: »

Fitzerb wrote: »

I think if you read the post above you will see that bitterness is something I dont do. I try to do facts. Try it.

Its not the impression that comes across. Most of the country do not appear to be in love with FF and have to ground their expectations in reality and FF is not that reality after 14 years, culminating in economic collapse. People cannot afford such a disastrous party any longer. FF partied, we pay :rolleyes:

Fitzerb

wee truck big driver wrote: »

gerry adams is without doubt the hardest working politican in ireland. he has truly dedicated his life to his country. he is definetly not part of a party where the main driving force for joining is greed for money and power ( f.f and f.g and to some extent labour ) he has risked his life for his country and got very little in return at least the people of louth have a chance to show their appreciation

Firemen risk their life for their country, so do Garda, and so did Jerry McCabe. But Gerry Admas’s mates didn’t value his worth to this Country. “Gerry risked his life for his country”, you mean he risked other people lives for this Country like the hunger strikers. We didn’t see wee Gerry going without food.
Anyways more to the point you might be the first SF supported to answer a question for me.
Wee Gerry and his band of followers say they are going to do away with the USC (Social Charge)
They are going to reverse the social welfare cuts. They are going to reverse the educations cuts. They are even going to reverse the health cuts.
Can you please explain to me why is that when in Government as they are in Northern Ireland that they are imposing cuts of 2.5 Billion on Social Welfare, Education, and Health
Has wee Gerry a twin running for election in the republic?