FF Michael Martin Heckled in Galway

apoeiguq3094y

Leslie91 wrote: »

Take the 'r' out of that word. The dog on the streets know the Northern Bank robbery was the pay off. Jaysus. Yes great to have peace but to cover up the fact that it was paid for makes me wanna puke. Ahern is nothing but a cowboy cancer, who learned from the Master, Charlie.

Well I don't spend my time talking to the dogs on the street. The PSNI investigated the Northern bank robbery. Last time I checked, we didn't have control over that organisation.

If you want to know the really sickening cost of the peace process, its not any bank robbery. It's the release of criminals who used nationalism as an excuse to murder innocent people.

This country is so concerned with money, and the endless pursuit of financial wealth, that we ignore the truly important issues. The people who fought and died for this country would be sickened to see where our greed has brought us.

mrrepublic

galwayrush wrote: »

My youngest ( 11) would do a better job than FF could do, judging by their pathetic record. FF did get a chance to try and deal with the problems they created by getting into power last election, what did they do? THEY SOMEHOW MANAGED TO MAKE THINGS WORSE.

Glad to know that your 11 year old has more intelligance than you. By the time he is 18 he should be clever enough to support FF.

cheesemaker

Good to see delusion is alive and well in the West.

Take a bow

skelliser

apoeiguq3094y wrote: »

You talk of Bertie Ahern as as perpetrator. History will remember that Ahern brought us something that seemed forever out of reach - peace in Northern Ireland. 15 years ago, if you told someone that Ian Paisley and Gerry Adams would share power in a democratic government you would have been laughed off the face of the planet. Eaten bread is soon forgotten. Remember that the next time you take the motorway to dublin.

One of the greatest myths ever produced by the FF propaganda machine.

The peace process was largely down to the work of John Hume, a man who worked tirelessly for over 40 years to bring about peace. He was the guy who finally got Adams and trimble to sit down.
Also might i add a man of honour and respect. None of which can be said of Berite, he didnt even have a bank account and do this day cannot get a tax clearance cert!!
So give me a break with your revisionism of history.

And what has the motorway got to do with it ffs!!

I dont know which is worse, the condescending attitude of the brits our the attitude of FF. We got rid of them only to be replaced with a shower of corrupt crony gombeens.

Well down on this evenings troll fest btw!
Im sure ye have won many voters over with your nice and helpful attitudes!

Times must be desperate when Fianna Fail have to resort to agruing on the internet instead of being men and
taking your medicine at the doorstep!

almighty1

galwayrush wrote: »

My youngest ( 11) would do a better job than FF could do, judging by their pathetic record. FF did get a chance to try and deal with the problems they created by getting into power last election, what did they do? THEY SOMEHOW MANAGED TO MAKE THINGS WORSE.

Please elaborate. Id love to know how your 11 year old would cut our deficit % of GDP

emptybladder

biko wrote: »

Canvasser banned a day

Boooooooo! Although how funny would it be if Ollie called to a boardsie's door tonight and they slammed the door in his face "You were told you're banned". :pac:

P.S. Not commenting on modding, I was simply saying 'boo-urns'

galwayrush

mrrepublic wrote: »

Glad to know that your 11 year old has more intelligance than you. By the time he is 18 he should be clever enough to support FF.

:pac::pac::pac:
She is being brought up the same way i was, to think for myself.:cool:
A trait sadly lacking in anyone who blindly follows any political party, esp one who has caused so much damage,

apoeiguq3094y

skelliser wrote: »

One of the greatest myths ever produced by the FF propaganda machine.

The peace process was largely down to the work of John Hume, a man who worked tirelessly for over 40 years to bring about peace. He was the guy who finally got Adams and trimble to sit down.
Also might i add a man of honour and respect. None of which can be said of Berite, he didnt even have a bank account and do this day cannot get a tax clearance cert!!
So give me a break with your revisionism of history.

Have you read any factual reports or books on the peace process. Back when Sinn Fein was still a bad word Martin Mansergh (currently a FF TD, but back then working at the Dept of the Taoiseach) was secretly meeting with the IRA in an effort to bring them in from the cold and get them to talk at a table. He did this despite the fact that numerous specific threats were made against his life. Fianna Fail have worked tirelessly for peace in the North. John Hume deserves huge credit for the work he has done. He is truly a national hero. At the same time some recognition must go to the Irish government that had the vision and the commitment to get the Good Friday agreement passed both in the North and here in the republic, while still keeping the unionists and british happy.

FF bashing has become the national pastime, maybe we can have a county based championship this year for it.

Can we please get back on thread and talk roughly in the area of FF in galway.

mrrepublic

galwayrush wrote: »

:pac::pac::pac:
She is being brought up the same way i was, to think for myself.:cool:
A trait sadly lacking in anyone who blindly follows any political party, esp one who has caused so much damage,

The fact that you claim to have a unique ability to think for yourself, which was handed down by previous generations of your family (I presume from both sides) should not lead you to think that your opinion is always correct. After all Hitler tought for himself and also tought that he was always correct.

apoeiguq3094y

mrrepublic wrote: »

The fact that you claim to have a unique ability to think for yourself, which was handed down by previous generations of your family (I presume from both sides) should not lead you to think that your opinion is always correct. After all Hitler tought for himself and also tought that he was always correct.

Ah now here..... there's no need to go for the Hitler references. Stalin & Hitler had mustaches.. should we go arresting anyone with a tash? what about Tom Selleck??

galwayrush

mrrepublic wrote: »

The fact that you claim to have a unique ability to think for yourself, which was handed down by previous generations of your family (I presume from both sides) should not lead you to think that your opinion is always correct. After all Hitler tought for himself and also tought that he was always correct.

Are you saying FF were correct in the way they destroyed this country for generations to come? Were they right to lied about the IMF coming in for so long? Were they right to bail their friends out with Nama. Is it right that we have to pay for a toxic private company like Anglo Irish? perhaps you think so, but i don't.;)

TerrorFirmer

The biggest joke is how deluded people are as to what will actually happen with change in government. After the cries of "BURN/KILL/HANG/HECKLE THEM ALL" have subdued, what do FG and LAB really have to offer? Once the holes dug..... it needs to be filled, no matter who's in charge of filling it in. The economy isn't going to magically recover overnight. Tough decisions were made to try and tackle the damage done, and tough decisions will have to be made long after FF is gone. I'm not one to support FF and won't be this coming election but I've little faith in FG either and someone people genuinely seem to believe that everything will, somehow, be grand once FF are gone.

Enda Kenny....jesus, FG need him replaced almost more than FF did Cowen. One of the reasons many people still support FF is the very fact that FG are such a poor opposition, thanks in no small part to Kenny lacklustre leadership. He does not inspire confidence, though to be honest, at the moment, political canvassing mostly seems to revolve around rabble rousing and reitering the failures of FF over the past decade more than anything else. Trying to watch a debate some time ago and it was basically Lenihan talking sense and outling fiscal policies to refloat the economy, while the rest of them played the blame game. It takes the borderline collapse of the national economy for them to gain any credibility, and even at that, it's an uneasy one for most people.

My problem come voting day is not whether to vote for FF, but who the hell to vote for at all.

mrrepublic

galwayrush wrote: »

Are you saying FF were correct in the way they destroyed this country for generations to come? Were they right to lied about the IMF coming in for so long? Were they right to bail their friends out with Nama. Is it right that we have to pay for a toxic private company like Anglo Irish? perhaps you think so, but i don't.;)

anti FF, anti trade unions, anti all proposals to rectify econimic situation, anti establishment. pro false election promises, pro finance bill, pro U.S.C.. pro, pro bank guarantee, pro Alan Dukes Anglo Irish bank. Glad to see how well the opposition can think for themselvs.

galwayrush

mrrepublic wrote: »

anti FF, anti trade unions, anti all proposals to rectify econimic situation, anti establishment. pro false election promises, pro finance bill, pro U.S.C.. pro, pro bank guarantee, pro Alan Dukes Anglo Irish bank. Glad to see how well the opposition can think for themselvs.

I don't have any cult like political leanings.
FF had a chance to steer the economy away from disaster , they were warned about the property bubble and the economy overheating, apparently anyone who tried to tell them to dampen things was suppost to commit suicide. FF ignored the warning signs, they got another chance to try and do the right thing, but they continued on the spiral which led to the IMF having to come in. I am merely anti greed and anti gross stupitidy.

skelliser

Tell me how many corners has Lenihan told us we have turned?
How many times will Frank Fahey tells is that "now is the time to buy!"?
How many nobel prize winners in economics do we need to tell us that FF have/made the wrong decisions?
How many more crooks like Haughy, Burke, Lawlor, Ahern, Callely and so on do we need before we can call a spade a spade?!

biko

mrrepublic, don't post in this thread any more.
This thread is on the verge to be closed. If anyone wants to discuss general party politics you may do so in Politics forum.
Read the OP again, that's what we're discussing here.

Borders no.2

Canvasser wrote: »

it must be great to have a nice simplistic socilaist view of the world

shouting abuse at anyone is not acceptable in a civil society like ours loveen

I thought your party were the socialists, at least thats the waffle Bertie came out with to try and boost your party ratings a few years back.

StupidLikeAFox

TerrorFirmer wrote: »

Tough decisions were made to try and tackle the damage done, and tough decisions will have to be made long after FF is gone.

Im just gonna jump in on this one. I'd like to know what tough decisions were actually made.

On the bank bailout, Labour suggested temporarily nationalising the banks, sorting them out and selling them back to the market within 2-4 years. This was a tried and tested way of doing it, as had been done in Sweden in the nineties. It would have been costly at the time compared to what FF were proposing.

Fianna Fails plan was announced as the "cheapest bailout in history", 4bn i think. As it transpired, they ended up pumping money into the banks, which merely prolonged their demise, the end result of which was nationalisation of Anglo and AIB years later, after billions had been wasted already. This was not a tough decision, it was a populist one.

Then, they commissioned the Bord Snip report, which was a menu of cuts which could be taken, a menu of "hard decisions". Following this they pretty much forgot about it, making few hard decisions. Have a read of this as proof http://www.sbpost.ie/newsfeatures/no-saving-grace-51321.html

What FF do is LIE to the public about how things arent as bad as they seem, until eventually they are forced to act. They make necessary decisions when its way too late.

SARAH ANNE

As someone who has not voted for years,in galway, can any one tell me in an honest and direct way why i should vote FF.

I intend to vote this time around, I am an ordinary working person sick listening to people talk on and on about nothing.

Id love to hear Mr. Healy Rae and Mr. Lowry speak and explain himself, kinda find them sorta attractive in a certain light, ya a dark one!

As far as i can see we are bankrupt the damage is done, and the election will boil down to who fixes the local parish pump, gets little Johnny into the civilservice,fixes the potholes etc, although i think there is no more money left in the kitty to buy all these votes.

So Is it FF or Bust? or is there a real alternative out there in GALWAY,or should we give FF the mandate to govern us in the bad times as well as the good.

Borders no.2

Canvasser wrote: »

I think we should try to extradite some of that Lehmans Brothers crowd to face the music along with some of the anglo-irish boys. bloody bankers :mad:

reckless economic policies??!! take a look at what the blueshirts and red commies were proposing in their 2007 election manifestos! they wanted to slash taxes and increase spending by way more than the current government. and there was no choice other than to bail out the banks - but of course you probably wanted all the atm's failing in the morning....

This is what FF supporters are blatently ignoring. It was the decision of the government to appoint Patrick Neary as so called "financial regulator". Like any businesses banks will do what they can to generate more business whether its financially prudent or not, the job of the state appointed Mr. Neary was to keep an eye on developments in the banks to ensure that unsustainable lending wasn't occuring on a grand stage.

There was no other choice than to bail out the banks.:rolleyes: Perhaps thats the case with the major banks but when major consultants such as Merill Lynch are used, paid approx. 4-5 million for a few days work and recommend that a blanket guarantee shouldn't be given, you would expect our Minister for Finance who has no qualifications in that field to heed their advice. However, the FF party ignored that tax payer funded advice and since then its the likes of Anglo and Nationwide banks which aren't of any "systemic importance" to the economy who are dragging us down.

Sponge Bob

I does be getting awful worried about the cheap ass gobsh1te that FF got in to teach Social Networking 101 to the knuckleheads that infest Ógra FF in Galway.

Lads, this ain't "Social Networking" , it is turning into a typical Ógra FF committee meeting.

Can we all please just start discussing again like and be nice to each other this time. :cool:

apoeiguq3094y

Sponge Bob wrote: »

I does be getting awful worried about the cheap ass gobsh1te that FF got in to teach Social Networking 101 to the knuckleheads that infest Ógra FF in Galway.

Lads, this ain't "Social Networking" , it is turning into a typical Ógra FF committee meeting.

Can we all please just start discussing again like and be nice to each other this time. :cool:

I think you'll find that the FF people were nice to people in here, it was the FF bashers that were getting carried away.... I seem to rememeber someone calling ogra people knuckleheads.......

Generally if your pro-FF its " a typical ogra meeting" if your against its "discussing". how is that fair?

Anyway this thread is only going one way...

TerrorFirmer

ColHol wrote: »

What FF do is LIE to the public about how things arent as bad as they seem, until eventually they are forced to act. They make necessary decisions when its way too late.

I never doubted that. My point was that the damage is done, undeniably attributable solely to FF as you've pointed out, but FG will be stepping into FFs problems, and, regardless of how they occured, they'll now be FGs problem to solve....and there is no easy way to solving them. It doesn't matter who's in power, the deficet is still there, and it has to be addressed somehow, something which a lot of people seem to conveniently overlook, as if the problem will somehow disappear when FF do.

Borders no.2

TerrorFirmer wrote: »

I never doubted that. My point was that the damage is done, undeniably attributable solely to FF as you've pointed out, but FG will be stepping into FFs problems, and, regardless of how they occured, they'll now be FGs problem to solve....and there is no easy way to solving them. It doesn't matter who's in power, the deficet is still there, and it has to be addressed somehow, something which a lot of people seem to conveniently overlook, as if the problem will somehow disappear when FF do.

Yes the damage is done, you're completely right, the deficit will still be there not just for this election but for the next number of elections without doubt.

Like yourself I have no great faith in any of the political parties to start addressing the issues.

No matter who is in charge unpopular decisions will have to be made. However, if/when we emerge from this mess we must be in a position where this sort of thing can't happen again. We need a clean break from the culture that was allowed grow during the boom years, its debatable whether any of the parties can offer a genuine alternative.

Also the country should never ever find itself in a position again where decisions are passed because the likes of Lowry or Healy Rae are given some incentive for their constituency to vote in favour of a course of action.

Sponge Bob

apoeiguq3094y wrote: »

I seem to rememeber someone calling ogra people knuckleheads.......

That would be Ógra not ogra ...the latter being a herb stuffed and eucalyptus ember roasted pig in some obscure tribal language in Nigeria IIRC . I never dissed no pig me.

Wouldn't FF love to see a thread about their leader and his 'media management' locked all the same, did ye learn that in Social Networking 101 ????

galwayfellaBETA

Canvasser wrote: »

take a look at what the blueshirts.....

Once again, a FF supporter shows us just how out of touch they are with the real problems in modern Ireland... this is 2011 NOT 1930

Canvasser wrote: »

...... and there was no choice other than to bail out the banks - but of course you probably wanted all the atm's failing in the morning....

Really, so guaranteeing all past bank debt of ALL banks instead instead of just future debt of a select 'banking entity' was a good idea?

FF have driven this country onto the rocks, the captains of this ship should be tried for treason.

Now that Cowen has resigned, I wait with eager interest as to the directorships he gets!! This will tell all.

apoeiguq3094y

Sponge Bob wrote: »

That would be Ógra not ogra ...the latter being a herb stuffed and eucalyptus ember roasted pig in some obscure tribal language in Nigeria IIRC . I never dissed no pig me.

Wouldn't FF love to see a thread about their leader and his 'media management' locked all the same, did ye learn that in Social Networking 101 ????

seen as youve made that social networking joke twice - i'll give you charity laugh... ha....

i'd like to see it locked because the thread is off topic, and a large number of posters are unable to have a debate without throwing cheap insults. I'm entiltled to my opinion and to support whatever party i choose without childish snide remarks. is this a slagging match or a political debate? i'm sure you'll sleep better tonight knowing that you've scored a few points off the FFers. well done.

Sponge Bob

apoeiguq3094y wrote: »

seen as youve made that social networking joke twice - i'll give you charity laugh... ha....

It is spelt Ógra, mkayyy. Come back after Social Networking 102 and discuss the topic in hand.

As long as you keep at the 101 strategy the thread title remains in a prominently displayed position in the Galway forum despite it being inherently unnewsworthy. 'Intelligently' Bumping threads will probably be covered in Social Networking 103 :cool: Listen!!!!

You explicitly asked for the lock twice if not three times. Social Networking 104, will generally cover 'How to Influence Sophisticated Moderators in a Subtle and Sophisticated and not in the least Overbearing Manner and not go for the Outright Lock' so make sure the Ógra gang hang in there for the duration. Tell them it only gets better and that the Internet was invented by De Valera himself.

Once Galway Ógra complete 104 in an orderly way what you then do is PM Sponge Bob who will gladly come over (at a price) to do Social Networking 105 which comprises high concept stuff like El Meme, Internet Time and Contraindicational Subliminality. Also included will be Humourous Trolling 102 and other important 105 type stuff.

For now you can't handle the truth and OOOOH look at that DREADFUL thread title back in a prominent position with no lock in.....shucks

_Whimsical_

TerrorFirmer wrote: »

I never doubted that. My point was that the damage is done, undeniably attributable solely to FF as you've pointed out, but FG will be stepping into FFs problems, and, regardless of how they occured, they'll now be FGs problem to solve....and there is no easy way to solving them. It doesn't matter who's in power, the deficet is still there, and it has to be addressed somehow, something which a lot of people seem to conveniently overlook, as if the problem will somehow disappear when FF do.

Very true!

Another thing that has been overlooked is the reality that all of the political parties presently touting for our votes have let us down and share the blame in some , although not equal,measure for the disaster zone that we have become. All elected representatives in Dail Eireann were there to watch out for our interests whether they are in power or on the opposition benches. Yet no one saw the train that was heading down the tracks for us where the housing bubble was concerned and everyone of them chose to ignore it once it was pointed out by Morgan Kelly, George Lee and David McWilliams. During the boom we never saw Dail debates on the subject, we never saw anyone from the opposition try to bring the fact that we were teetering on the brink of ruin to the attention of the public. Instead they were too busy trying to wrestle power from FF and bring down the government by bleating on and on over Bertie Ahern raising 10,000 quid years before from "friends". At the same time much larger corruption was rife in the banking sector and in the office of the financial regulator and it went unchecked and unstopped. No one had their eye on the ball for us despite it being their job to and as such they have all seriously failed us.

randylonghorn

apoeiguq3094y wrote: »

I think you'll find that the FF people were nice to people in here ...

Really?

Seems to me the rot set in around here:

Canvasser wrote: »

it must be great to have a nice simplistic socilaist view of the world

shouting abuse at anyone is not acceptable in a civil society like ours loveen

So anyone not FF is simplistic and socilaist (sic)?

And we won't even mention the condescension of addressing people as "loveen"!



How Mícheal could look surprised that someone would publicly challenge him beats the hell out of me!

FF over-extended the various renewal schemes and construction support packages well beyond the limits they had set themselves initially, because it suited their developer mates, thus adding a massive inflationary input to a property bubble which by that stage needed reining back, not additional impetus. This was government policy.

FF promoted an emasculated banking regulatory system because it suited their banker buddies (and by extension their developer mates). This was government policy.

As the bubble grew ever more out of control, and the dissenting voices got louder, an Taoiseach Mr. Bertie Ahern T.D told us that he didn't know why those talking down the economy didn't commit suicide.

Recession was inevitable, as was the housing market decline.

The extraordinary extent to which these have impacted on our country, on its citizens and on the state finances was not, and is the result of very poor and often self-serving decisions by FF.

And I won't even begin to discuss the mishandling of the crisis once it struck.

The one thing I would agree with our FF colleagues about is that I am not overly impressed with the alternatives being offered to us.

But no matter how bad the alternative is, voting for FF in this election is the equivalent of saying "Arra, it's all right lads, we don't mind that ye fooked over the whole country! We know that ye didn't actually mean to, ye were just too busy looking after yer own hides and yer pals the developers and the b/****. Sure just go on as before, 'twill all be grand!!"

And that's EXACTLY how 90% of FF would interpret it ... they really do seem to see themselves as the Soldiers of Destiny who can do no wrong!!