Wilton Shopping centre Redevelopment

Outkast_IRE

fonecrusher1 wrote: »

In all fairness & im not being smart but Bishopstown & mahon point are not the same place, they're completely different in layout. Mahon points weird road system was flawed from day one hence the massive queues of cars i see waiting to get in & out on thursdays/fridays & saturdays. Is it really fair to condemn this project based on that??

And also those who insist on the doomsday talk, if your not from Bishopstown then really i don't understand the motives behind your vigorous objections.

Im from togher and pass through and spend time in bishopstown most days, The point being made is our brilliant planners insisted that mahon point build the junctions and layout on the approaching route as part of the planning process , and it still led to the way it is today.

I know wilton is a different scenario if anything traffic wise you have to be even more vigilant as there is a hospital with emergency vehicles next door , along with 2 main bus routes going around it .

Im all for the development as long as the surrounding works are done in a way that helps matters.

murphym7

fonecrusher1 wrote: »

In all fairness & im not being smart but Bishopstown & mahon point are not the same place, they're completely different in layout. Mahon points weird road system was flawed from day one hence the massive queues of cars i see waiting to get in & out on thursdays/fridays & saturdays. Is it really fair to condemn this project based on that??

And also those who insist on the doomsday talk, if your not from Bishopstown then really i don't understand the motives behind your vigorous objections.

I am not living in Bishopstown either, but I travel through it twice a day - so this will affect not just residents. To be fair, there are some comparrisons between the two locations - both will be large retail spaces attracting customers from all over the city and county, both are either directly in or very close to high density residential areas and finally, both are serviced directly from local access roads, which are already busy, and a high volume dual carriage way system. Its hard not to compare the two directly to be honest.

Besides all that, it is just not needed. There is already a glut of retail space in Cork already - all that will happen is that the business will be spread even more thinly, makes no sense to me. Just my opinion.

Outkast_IRE

murphym7 wrote: »

I am not living in Bishopstown either, but I travel through it twice a day - so this will affect not just residents. To be fair, there are some comparrisons between the two locations - both will be large retail spaces attracting customers from all over the city and county, both are either directly in or very close to high density residential areas and finally, both are serviced directly from local access roads, which are already busy, and a high volume dual carriage way system. Its hard not to compare the two directly to be honest.

Besides all that, it is just not needed. There is already a glut of retail space in Cork already - all that will happen is that the business will be spread even more thinly, makes no sense to me. Just my opinion.

Someone can correct me but i believe i read on the echo that their planning permission was dependant on the completion of the works at the sarsfield rd and bandon rd roundabouts , if that is the case we are looking at a start date of summer 2013 ?? so by the time old place is demolished and new place built it will probably be say minimum 12 months if they were to concentrate on the retail side alone but probably far more. So its probably 2015 0r 2016 when they envisage to be done.

I think the hope would be that things would be in a bit of a upswing by then.

CorkMan

Don't mean to go off-topic, but with the Orthopedic closing down in Gurranabraher, they reckon the land could be made into a supermarket centre. There is a great amount of land up there.

Outkast_IRE

CorkMan wrote: »

Don't mean to go off-topic, but with the Orthopedic closing down in Gurranabraher, they reckon the land could be made into a supermarket centre. There is a great amount of land up there.

Only problem i would see in getting planning permission is the road network around it is fairly poor isnt it ?

fonecrusher1

murphym7 wrote: »

I am not living in Bishopstown either, but I travel through it twice a day - so this will affect not just residents. To be fair, there are some comparrisons between the two locations - both will be large retail spaces attracting customers from all over the city and county, both are either directly in or very close to high density residential areas and finally, both are serviced directly from local access roads, which are already busy, and a high volume dual carriage way system. Its hard not to compare the two directly to be honest.

Besides all that, it is just not needed. There is already a glut of retail space in Cork already - all that will happen is that the business will be spread even more thinly, makes no sense to me. Just my opinion.

In my opinion as a bishopstown resident i think you are very wrong. Bishopstown has feck all besides a few pubs/off-licenses & chemists, it has very little to offer its people which is why you will see throngs of people leaving B town on a saturday to go in town/douglas/ballincollig to have a look around some decent shops & cafes.

Wilton as it currently stands is not fit to serve bishopstowns large enough population, basically we need a new central area.

It will effect you because you pass through it every day? Sorry but you'd be a low priorty concern in my books. Pass through any newly developed part of cork city & you kind of have to expect traffic at some stage to be honest. No great surprise there. Thats progress?!

calnand

wow really hope this goes ahead. Exactly what Wilton needs

charlemont

fonecrusher1 wrote: »

In my opinion as a bishopstown resident i think you are very wrong. Bishopstown has feck all besides a few pubs/off-licenses & chemists, it has very little to offer its people which is why you will see throngs of people leaving B town on a saturday to go in town/douglas/ballincollig to have a look around some decent shops & cafes.

Wilton as it currently stands is not fit to serve bishopstowns large enough population, basically we need a new central area.

It will effect you because you pass through it every day? Sorry but you'd be a low priorty concern in my books. Pass through any newly developed part of cork city & you kind of have to expect traffic at some stage to be honest. No great surprise there. Thats progress?!

Sorry but the way some of ye think about Bishopstown is just silly, Its not a suburb of New York at all !! This development will only further the Doughnut effect on Cork City centre, Bishopstown has two large retail facilities as it is and several smaller units spread out on the Curraheen Rd, And its not exactly far from the city centre or Ballincollig. This will be another car driven development which will only create more traffic chaos especially when the roundabout is removed.

The access in Eagle Valley always puzzles me, Go on Google Earth and have a look, Absolutely no pedestrian access to Dunnes or the walkover bridge.

fonecrusher1

charlemont wrote: »

Sorry but the way some of ye think about Bishopstown is just silly, Its not a suburb of New York at all !! This development will only further the Doughnut effect on Cork City centre, Bishopstown has two large retail facilities as it is and several smaller units spread out on the Curraheen Rd, And its not exactly far from the city centre or Ballincollig. This will be another car driven development which will only create more traffic chaos especially when the roundabout is removed.

The access in Eagle Valley always puzzles me, Go on Google Earth and have a look, Absolutely no pedestrian access to Dunnes or the walkover bridge.

Are you from bishopstown?

charlemont

fonecrusher1 wrote: »

Are you from bishopstown?

Why ? Should I be ?

fonecrusher1

charlemont wrote: »

Why ? Should I be ?

No but its obvious you are not because if you lived in bishopstown you would be looking forward to this redevlopement.

If you don't live in bishopstown yet you are still vigorously against this idea then really i don't care. Of course you are entitled to your opinion but its easy to live in a well catered for region of cork city like mahon or douglas or ballincollig yet actually almost begrudge another area its chance of renewal.

Im sure the same doomsday talk preceeded the ballincollig shopping centre & the Blackpool shopping centre yet the same people complaining probably frequent these places every day.:rolleyes:

charlemont

fonecrusher1 wrote: »

No but its obvious you are not because if you lived in bishopstown you would be looking forward to this redevlopement.

If you don't live in bishopstown yet you are still vigorously against this idea then really i don't care. Of course you are entitled to your opinion but its easy to live in a well catered for region of cork city like mahon or douglas or ballincollig yet actually almost begrudge another area its chance of renewal.

Im sure the same doomsday talk preceeded the ballincollig shopping centre & the Blackpool shopping centre yet the same people complaining probably frequent these places every day.:rolleyes:

I don't live in any of the above areas, Blackpool SC is the only large shopping centre on the whole Northside so it has a clear catchment area and is not hindered by close proximity to similar centres, Yet Wilton is only 3 miles 5 Kms from the two centres in Douglas, If I lived in Bishopstown id be more worried about more traffic lights and congestion related to this redevelopment. Another poster made a good point about the demographics in Bishopstown, Very similar to Ballintemple so who will actually spend all the money there ? Its just another car based traffic clogging project.

Wyldwood

Well as one of those kids who grew up in the 60s in Bishopstown (now living nearby) I think it's very sad to see the decline in the area. The Celtic Tiger by-passed Bishopstown & it got left behind in the 80s. It's very run down, lots of derelict sites, where the Celtic Tiger died, & student houses. The price of property was definitely a drawback to young families but that was fuelled by the demand from hospital & CIT staff.
I for one would love to see Wilton redeveloped as a decent shopping centre but I have reservations about the apartments given the Dennehy's Cross development isn't going anywhere. I think the scale of the proposed development is too optimistic. Better a smaller scale centre with all units occupied than a large one half empty. Take a walk around the town centre in Ballincollig, it's a ghost town.

fonecrusher1

charlemont wrote: »

Yet Wilton is only 3 miles 5 Kms from the two centres in Douglas

So bishopstown folk have to travel 3 miles to enjoy the very infrastructure that is being proposed in this project? Are you serious? Think it about it, does that sound fair?

Yeah thats great for business in douglas but not so good for bishopstown based businesses.

charlemont

fonecrusher1 wrote: »

So bishopstown folk have to travel 3 miles to enjoy the very infrastructure that is being proposed in this project? Are you serious? Think it about it, does that sound fair?

Yeah thats great for business in douglas but not so good for bishopstown based businesses.

So what is it ye good folk of Bishopstown cant get at the moment ?
This just smacks of 'Your neighbourhood has it so my neighbourhood wants it too'.

SlimCi

Wyldwood wrote: »

Well as one of those kids who grew up in the 60s in Bishopstown (now living nearby) I think it's very sad to see the decline in the area. The Celtic Tiger by-passed Bishopstown & it got left behind in the 80s. It's very run down, lots of derelict sites, where the Celtic Tiger died, & student houses. The price of property was definitely a drawback to young families but that was fuelled by the demand from hospital & CIT staff.
I for one would love to see Wilton redeveloped as a decent shopping centre but I have reservations about the apartments given the Dennehy's Cross development isn't going anywhere. I think the scale of the proposed development is too optimistic. Better a smaller scale centre with all units occupied than a large one half empty. Take a walk around the town centre in Ballincollig, it's a ghost town.

Do I know you lol? I was there at the same time. I totally agree with you so so sad. You put it far better than I ever could....

Oafley Jones

charlemont wrote: »

So what is it ye good folk of Bishopstown cant get at the moment ?
This just smacks of 'Your neighbourhood has it so my neighbourhood wants it too'.

I don't know a single person IRL from the area that's for this development. Everyone recognizes the folly for what it is, honestly how could anyone who's lived in this country recently think that a shopping centre of all things is a stimulus for community involvement?

fonecrusher1

charlemont wrote: »

So what is it ye good folk of Bishopstown cant get at the moment ?
This just smacks of 'Your neighbourhood has it so my neighbourhood wants it too'.

Thats funny i was getting a bit of hint of good oul begrudgery from your posts.

charlemont

fonecrusher1 wrote: »

Thats funny i was getting a bit of hint of good oul begrudgery from your posts.

Ha, No Iv nothing against Bishopstown myself, My earliest memory of Cork as a young child is visiting Roches Stores while my mum was over at the Regional, If Bishopstown and the west of the city itself had a higher population and density Id be all for it.

fonecrusher1

charlemont wrote: »

Ha, No Iv nothing against Bishopstown myself, My earliest memory of Cork as a young child is visiting Roches Stores while my mum was over at the Regional, If Bishopstown and the west of the city itself had a higher population and density Id be all for it.

We'll have to agree to disagree fella.

namloc1980

fonecrusher1 wrote: »

No but its obvious you are not because if you lived in bishopstown you would be looking forward to this redevelopment.

Does Bishopstown need more student apartments or a 140+ bedroom hotel? Does it need more empty office space and more empty retail units? Does it need more cars clogging the roads and does it need traffic lights instead of the Wilton roundabout? Redeveloping the place is no problem but the scale of this thing is a joke. Just like the abomination that is the new Douglas Village Shopping Centre this thing is also a massively overscale development. Cork's southside is becoming just an endless strip of over sized shopping centres.

Outkast_IRE

Look guys the thing with these plans is they always apply for the absolute most they can pack onto the site , they expect alot of the time to be knocked back , and even if they did get the go ahead they would probably phase the work out over a good few years.

You cant say look at the empty apartments in x,y,z.
Its not applicable these guys are planning for the later half of this decade, by then there might be a need again for another student block etc.

insinkerator

Dunno why people are objecting to the roundabout being changed. Will make everyone's driving test an awful lot easier <.<

Aug2009

SlimCi wrote: »

And the old Bishopstown shopping centre is a disgrace and the Viscount was closed down. Felt very sad to see the place like that, it would be great to see it get a new lease of life but not sure if the older community there would be too interested in cinema and bowling, however with an influx of young families, things would I'm sure improve for the better.

;)From what I hear Bishopstown credit Union bought the Viscount. It would be great to get a pillar of the community like BCU get involved. Perhaps a rejuve is on the cards aferall.

To be honest, I think the people are lucky it was bought in the first place but doubly lucky that it was an organisation like BCU that bought it. Cant think of a better neighbour!:)

SlimCi

God thats great news because between there and the old shopping centre the area looks completely run down! Wonder what will happen to the old premises down the road then...;)

Wyldwood

Glad to hear the Credit Union bought the Viscount, it was one of the local eyesores recently. I wonder what Dunnes are up to with the old shopping centre. All the tenants have now moved out, pharmacy & butcher gone recently. Think it's only fit for demolition but is handy for a quick shop as it's never very busy.