Fingal Gone?

dreamers75

stovelid wrote: »

Have four strikers already. Can't see GON being a target.

Times like this your board has to say no

We rumoured to have Mac Faul lined up, possibly 2 others if Europe is confirmed.

aidan24326

doncarlos wrote: »

Hate when people say this.

Full time football DOES work. Paying more money than you can afford does not. Big difference.

Yes but if you're going to operate as a full-time club where players don't work in another job then the wages on offer have to be at a level that's realistic both to the club and the player. When people talk about clubs paying too much, what kind of wages are you talking about?

dreamers75

Full time football is training 4 times a week regardless of contract length or wages.

OhNoYouDidn't

dreamers75 wrote: »

http://www.independent.ie/sport/socc...t-2533347.html

Wonder Rovers will sign the 3 of them :eek:

Its only specualtion.

Doubt GON will be of interest to MON after his messing. Ditto Oman because he is rubbish.

Williams very much so.

OhNoYouDidn't

Pauleta wrote: »

Are there any fully pro teams left? I thought Bohs and Fingal were the only ones left last year.

Define 'fully pro'?

Rovers players do nothing else, no other jobs, but are 'part-time' because they get 42 week contracts. That is the situation in many clubs like Sligo, Dundalk and Derry. One of the reasons Fingal attracted players was they offered 52 week contracts, an obvious competitive advantage.

stovelid

dreamers75 wrote: »

Full time football is training 4 times a week regardless of contract length or wages.

If that was the case, surely players training 4 evenings a week could hold down other jobs though?

dreamers75

stovelid wrote: »

If that was the case, surely players training 4 evenings a week could hold down other jobs though?

Yup but people mix up the football side of it with wages/contracts:etc its irrevelant. Are the players training everyday and playing a match so technically 5 days a week football imo is fulltime football.

When we were rich we had one player on 2800 a week and another on 400, the 400 had another job but was still training 4 times a week.

OhNoYouDidn't

dreamers75 wrote: »

Full time football is training 4 times a week regardless of contract length or wages.

Have to disagree.

Loads of amateur sportspeople train four nights a week - LSL, AIL Rugby, Intercounty Gah, SuperLeague Basketball, competitive athletics. They arren't full time pro's, or even close.

Dedication has nowt to do with it.

SRFC90

Would only wanted Williams out of them, let the others head elsewhere, might at least try make the league competitive this year :rolleyes:

dreamers75

OhNoYouDidn't wrote: »

Have to disagree.

Loads of amateur sportspeople train four nights a week - LSL, AIL Rugby, Intercounty Gah, SuperLeague Basketball, competitive athletics. They arren't full time pro's, or even close.

Dedication has nowt to do with it.

On a pitch you can clearly see the difference over a season between training 2 and 4 nights a week, imo its only way we can compete in Europe. We get so hung up on the finanical/contract end of it.

That the simple phrase "training full time" is lost which imo is 4 times a week plus match and then sometimes 2 matches and 4-6 sessions, light workouts,gyms etc:

OhNoYouDidn't

dreamers75 wrote: »

On a pitch you can clearly see the difference over a season between training 2 and 4 nights a week, imo its only way we can compete in Europe. We get so hung up on the finanical/contract end of it.

That the simple phrase "training full time" is lost which imo is 4 times a week plus match and then sometimes 2 matches and 4-6 sessions, light workouts,gyms etc:

I don't disagree with you in the substantive, but its a little bit more complicated than just training x amount of times. Bogball club sides train 4 nights a week in the run up to their cups.

Simply put, Rovers have 20 odd players who are full time employees of the club for 42 weeks a year. They train 4 days a week, do their gym work and have a match at the weekend followed by a video session the next day. They have no other source of employment outside of the club.

They are technically part time because they are not employed for the full year in the sense Fingal and Bohs players were last season. They can chose to payroll over 52 weeks if they want though.

stovelid

SRFC90 wrote: »

Would only wanted Williams out of them, let the others head elsewhere, might at least try make the league competitive this year :rolleyes:

No grounds for cockiness. The league will be competitive enough: Slgio, Derry, Rovers and, to a lesser extent, Pats, have good squads as it is.

dreamers75

OhNoYouDidn't wrote: »

They are technically part time because they are not employed for the full year in the sense Fingal and Bohs players were last season. They can chose to payroll over 52 weeks if they want though.

But thats more semantics than anything they are full time footballers in the footballing sense and think we get caught up in the contract end of it too much.

Footballing wise my version of fulltime football is a major part of why Rovers won the league.

Gavin "shels"

OhNoYouDidn't wrote: »

Rovers players do nothing else, no other jobs

OhNoYouDidn't wrote: »

They have no other source of employment outside of the club.

That was not the case with at least one of your players last season anyway.

Ronan|Raven

It's all over now for Fingal.

Gavin "shels"

http://www.rte.ie/sport/soccer/2011/0210/sportingfingal.html

And it's official.

Sligored

OhNoYouDidn't wrote: »

Its only specualtion.

Doubt GON will be of interest to MON after his messing. Ditto Oman because he is rubbish.

Williams very much so.

i have bad news for you

http://www.extratime.ie/newsdesk/articles/4905/

Rovers secure Oman signing

SantryRed

I don't understand why they couldn't try and sustain a club with their means? Why just cease to exist? They have no debt

darragh16

Okay so St Pat's get bumped up to UEFA Cup place. UCD take the Setanta Cup place. What happens now?

Do Waterford or Monaghan get promoted and do Cobh get promoted from the A Championship or are they just going to pick a team (ie Tralee, Carlow etc.) to play in the First division?

CSF

darragh16 wrote: »

Okay so St Pat's get bumped up to UEFA Cup place. UCD take the Setanta Cup place. What happens now?

Do Waterford or Monaghan get promoted and do Cobh get promoted from the A Championship or are they just going to pick a team (ie Tralee, Carlow etc.) to play in the First division?

They should have a lucky dip for promotion to both divisions.

CSF

On another note, this is the kind of thing we can maybe expect for the near future when the football 'fans' of Ireland would prefer to pretend to support some 2nd Division Dutch team than actually go out and watch some football.

Tallaght Saint

Let's all do the european dance!!!!!







Thanks fingal!

bohsman

SantryRed wrote: »

I don't understand why they couldn't try and sustain a club with their means? Why just cease to exist? They have no debt

Same reason Bohs couldnt just cancel contracts and start over.

dreamers75

Sporting Fingal never beat Pats, Rovers never beat Fingal, Fingal were among 3 clubs never relegated. Fingal were never deducted points.

Thats all i got on stats.

Pure_Cork

Another Dublin LoI club goes bust. We didn't even play against them once!

CSF

Pure_Cork wrote: »

Another Dublin LoI club goes bust. We didn't even play against them once!

Don't think Dublin will ever catch Cork though.

dan1895

CSF wrote: »

They should have a lucky dip for promotion to both divisions.

Only chance we'll have of going up!

Pure_Cork

CSF wrote: »

Don't think Dublin will ever catch Cork though.

There's been more Dublin clubs go from the LoI than Cork clubs.

CSF

Pure_Cork wrote: »

There's been more Dublin clubs go from the LoI than Cork clubs.

Thought there'd been more Cork clubs go down the toilet than the rest of Ireland and the UK combined.

Pure_Cork

CSF wrote: »

Thought there'd been more Cork clubs go down the toilet than the rest of Ireland and the UK combined.

You thought wrong. :pac:

darragh16

Pure_Cork wrote: »

There's been more Dublin clubs go from the LoI than Cork clubs.

Wasn't there like six or seven Cork teams that used to be in the league?

CSF

Pure_Cork wrote: »

You thought wrong. :pac:

Ah well. 116 years.

dreamers75

darragh16 wrote: »

Wasn't there like six or seven Cork teams that used to be in the league?

Hell of a lot more Dublin teams.

djpbarry

CSF wrote: »

On another note, this is the kind of thing we can maybe expect for the near future when the football 'fans' of Ireland would prefer to pretend to support some 2nd Division Dutch team than actually go out and watch some football.

Bollocks. Fingal went bust because they were trying to spend way more than they were taking in from sustainable revenue streams. Simple as. Rather than being patient and building up a fan-base over time, they allowed themselves to become massively dependant on one backer and once he pulled out, that was that. We're seeing this sort of thing happen time and time again, both here and in the UK (where attendances are generally much higher), yet clubs keep making the same mistakes over and over.

Further, this business of clubs securing licenses on a rolling basis from year to year isn't working. There's little point in having a promotion/relegation system if it can’t be guaranteed that all clubs will be in a position to compete in the league the following season.

CSF

djpbarry wrote: »

Bollocks. Fingal went bust because they were trying to spend way more than they were taking in from sustainable revenue streams. Simple as. Rather than being patient and building up a fan-base over time, they allowed themselves to become massively dependant on one backer and once he pulled out, that was that. We're seeing this sort of thing happen time and time again, both here and in the UK (where attendances are generally much higher), yet clubs keep making the same mistakes over and over.

Further, this business of clubs securing licenses on a rolling basis from year to year isn't working. There's little point in having a promotion/relegation system if it can’t be guaranteed that all clubs will be in a position to compete in the league the following season.

I'm hardly lauding the Fingal model here. But they're also not alone in their problems, just don't have the fans to drag them out of it. There is another root cause to the problems in football in this country, other than the overspending and the sugardaddies and we do all have to listen to them in work every day.

celticutd87

Now that Finglas have gone bust does that mean that somebody like Waterford will go up to replace them and hence my team Cobh Ramblers may get back into league football to replace them?

CSF

celticutd87 wrote: »

Now that Finglas have gone bust does that mean that somebody like Waterford will go up to replace them and hence my team Cobh Ramblers may get back into league football to replace them?

Cobh will almost certainly be back.

Gavin "shels"

celticutd87 wrote: »

Now that Finglas have gone bust does that mean that somebody like Waterford will go up to replace them and hence my team Cobh Ramblers may get back into league football to replace them?

Nope, heard a new team called Celtic Utd are replacing Fingal.


Wouldn't mind an away trip to Cobh, can't walking to your bus home and it raining glass bottles.:D

celticutd87

CSF wrote: »

Cobh will almost certainly be back.[/QUOTE
YAY!!!

Gavin shels wrote: »

Wouldn't mind an away trip to Cobh, can't walking to your bus home and it raining glass bottles.:D

What?

dreamers75

Our Commercial Manager left us for Fingal, his 1st day was monday his last today :eek:

pablomakaveli

CSF wrote: »

Ah well. 116 years.

Lemons Law:
As an online LOI discussion grows longer, the probability of a Shels fan saying "116 years" approaches 1.

Think i might put that in my sig actually.

Gavin "shels"

celticutd87 wrote: »

What?

Last time we were down there all the locals came out looking for a fight, the guards were having none of it. One guard brought us up along some lane and out by a Spar (think it was a Spar anyway) on the corner of a road, next thing about 20 lads start throwing glass bottles our way.

pablomakaveli

Gavin shels wrote: »

Last time we were down there all the locals came out looking for a fight, the guards were having none of it. One guard brought us up along some lane and out by a Spar (think it was a Spar anyway) on the corner of a road, next thing about 20 lads start throwing glass bottles our way.

Cobh has a reputation for having a few scumbags.

dreamers75

pablomakaveli wrote: »

CobhEverywhere has a reputation for having a few scumbags.

^^

Zebra3

pablomakaveli wrote: »

Lemons Law:
As an online LOI discussion grows longer, the probability of a Shels fan saying "116 years" approaches 1.

Think i might put that in my sig actually.

Someone sounds a bit jealous....

Ebbs

Gavin shels wrote: »

That was not the case with at least one of your players last season anyway.

Pat Flynn works, others are in college for the most part.

flas

just reading the article about them online and am wondering what it means for the lads who got 3rd level scholarships in dcu through the club? are they out on their holes now i wonder!?

stovelid

Gavin shels wrote: »

Last time we were down there all the locals came out looking for a fight, the guards were having none of it. One guard brought us up along some lane and out by a Spar (think it was a Spar anyway) on the corner of a road, next thing about 20 lads start throwing glass bottles our way.

celticutd87

Gavin shels wrote: »

Last time we were down there all the locals came out looking for a fight, the guards were having none of it. One guard brought us up along some lane and out by a Spar (think it was a Spar anyway) on the corner of a road, next thing about 20 lads start throwing glass bottles our way.

pablomakaveli wrote: »

Cobh has a reputation for having a few scumbags.

Ya cobh does have a few scumbags but from my recollection shels are hardly a bunch of angels. The amount of times shels have been to cobh and cobh have been up to dublin there were numerous attacks by shels fans.

Zebra3

celticutd87 wrote: »

Ya cobh does have a few scumbags but from my recollection shels are hardly a bunch of angels. The amount of times shels have been to cobh and cobh have been up to dublin there were numerous attacks by shels fans.

Pure bullshit.

The two clubs have only met a handful of times and Cobh have only ever brought up about ten fans with them to Tolka.