Fingal Gone?

Zebra3

OhNoYouDidn't wrote: »

And at no point did any of the clubs you listed 'wind up'.

The only LoI club to 'wind up' in the last 60 years is Dublin City.

Cork City FC were wound up in court. Look it up.

Dublin City, Sporting Fingal, Derry City and Kildare County all shut themselves down.

OhNoYouDidn't

Zebra3 wrote: »

No, they don't. Same with the new Derry City. The FAI recognise them as brand new clubs.

Wrong. Simple as that.

Both CCFC and DCFC's websites list their acheivements, by way of example. Now considering the FAI hammer clubs for typo's in their match programmes, is it feasable they could claim these honours and get away with it?

Beefy78

ScienceNerd wrote: »

In fairness, we are producing some talent going over: Doyle, Fahey, Brian Murphy, Coleman, many others. The problem is we're not in a position to demand much or offer long contracts so they go for peanuts or less.

Exactly, whereas Southend and Brentford got £1.5m each for those two players.

OhNoYouDidn't

Zebra3 wrote: »

Cork City FC were wound up in court. Look it up.

Dublin City, Sporting Fingal, Derry City and Kildare County all shut themselves down.

But Derry City and Cork City are the same entities playing LoI football.

Kildare County merged into Newbridge town and are playing away in Station Road.

Fingal have done no such thing yet.

OhNoYouDidn't

Beefy78 wrote: »

These Clubs didn't fold because of the reasons why the likes of Bohemians in Ireland, and Cardiff, Sheffield Wednesday, Plymouth & Southend have had trouble though. They didn't spend too much money chasing the dream. They got wound down by their owners when their income bottomed out. They were casualties of the malaise which struck the English leagues in the 60s, 70s and 80s with hooliganism, violence and financial hardship causing financial problems everywhere. They don't have any relevance to the conversation you're having.

Chester would be the better example.

I agree that there is no 'fit', especially considering that there are two different legal enviromnents to deal with for commercial law.

But the point does remain. The LoI does not have a higher attrition rate than the English league, by way of example.

There is only one club, Dublin City, that is defunct in a real sense. Fingal, admittedly, remains a probability to follow shortly.

For some reason there seems to be a fixation on bad news in the LoI that doesn't get shone on other leagues and sports by the Irish media.

Het-Field

OhNoYouDidn't wrote: »

And at no point did any of the clubs you listed 'wind up'.

The only LoI club to 'wind up' in the last 60 years is Dublin City.

Is that what you are reduced to ? Trying to nit-pick in terms of the words and phrases I choose to use on an informal message board ? In fact, I believe the corporate entity behind Kildare County did wind up, as did the corporate entity behind Cork City. I cant say for certain as to the legal status of Kilkenny City. Thus, you are wrong.

As you have finally admitted, Kildare County are no longer in existence. You tried to put it forward as though they are. I would point you to the England's Rugby Premiership. London Scottish and Richmond no longer exist, they made a commercial decision to merge with London Irish. The amateur club which was still in existence has made great strides in the past 10 years, however, the original London Scottish no longer exists. The same applies to Kildare County if they have merged with Newbridge Town FC.

Kilkenny City resigned their league status, and they admitted that they could not continue financially. P.S. I dont see them anywhere in the LSL.

What happened to Dublin City and Sporting Fingal is another example of what a joke the LOI is. The heritage of Home Farm was put on the line to facilitate the "Dublin City" brand, while Sporting Fingal were the footballing equivalent of Libertas.

Another poster has drawn a very stark comparison between the UK clubs you mentioned, and the demise of certain Irish clubs. I suggest you think about it.

Het-Field

OhNoYouDidn't wrote: »

But Derry City and Cork City are the same entities playing LoI football.

Kildare County merged into Newbridge town and are playing away in Station Road.

Fingal have done no such thing yet.

Again, OhNoYouDidn'd acts the barstool lawyer.

The fact that the LOI recognises a level of continuity between the old and new club is irrelevant. The corporate entity behind Cork City's previous incarnation was wound up. It was kept alive by FORAS, and in consultation with the FAI. Without FORAS, that club would not have survived.

Pure_Cork

Het-Field wrote: »

Again, OhNoYouDidn'd acts the barstool lawyer.

The fact that the LOI recognises a level of continuity between the old and new club is irrelevant. The corporate entity behind Cork City's previous incarnation was wound up. It was kept alive by FORAS, and in consultation with the FAI. Without FORAS, that club would not have survived.

Do you realise how many football clubs all over the world have had holding companies go bust only for another to take the club on? Napoli is another example.

Het-Field

Pure_Cork wrote: »

Do you realise how many football clubs all over the world have had holding companies go bust only for another to take the club on? Napoli is another example.

That doesnt negate the fact that if it was not for FORAS bailing out Cork City FC, the club would have gone to the wall without a trace. The legal entity which comprised Cork City was wound up. It doesnt wash away the legal action which has taken place.

Zebra3

OhNoYouDidn't wrote: »

Kildare County merged into Newbridge town and are playing away in Station Road.

No they didn't. Kildare County was shut down. Why the hell would Newbridge Town want to merge with them and take on their debts?

OhNoYouDidn't wrote: »

Wrong. Simple as that.

Both CCFC and DCFC's websites list their acheivements, by way of example. Now considering the FAI hammer clubs for typo's in their match programmes, is it feasable they could claim these honours and get away with it?

The FAI don't hammer clubs for typos in their matych programme.

And the FAI do not recognise the new franchises from Cork and Derry as continuos entities of the old ones regardless of what their clubs' websites falsely claim.

http://www.independent.ie/sport/soccer/electric-launch-to-new-season-2082480.html

In the First Division section of the newly branded Airtricity League, the competitors from Cork and Derry are paired together.

The boxes for their 10-year record are completely blank, a stark reminder of all that has been wasted.

pablomakaveli

OhNoYouDidn't wrote: »

Wrong. Simple as that.

Both CCFC and DCFC's websites list their acheivements, by way of example. Now considering the FAI hammer clubs for typo's in their match programmes, is it feasable they could claim these honours and get away with it?

I'd wouldn't even bother argung that with him. He's just wumming about it. He can bitch all he wants about it but it doesn't change the fact that we're the same club.

Ferris_Bueller

OhNoYouDidn't wrote: »

Kildare County merged into Newbridge town and are playing away in Station Road.

Not true.

Gavin "shels"

OhNoYouDidn't wrote: »

Kildare County,

http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/kfauojkfgboj/rss2/

LuckyLloyd

Well it's good to know that LOI fans have no big problem with clubs being run into the ground financially. Shur, everyone around Europe is doing it.

As long as the attitudes in this thread exist, there will be a Sporting Fingal / Cork / Derry / Shels / etc every 18 months or less.

stovelid

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

Well it's good to know that LOI fans have no big problem with clubs being run into the ground financially. Shur, everyone around Europe is doing it.

As long as the attitudes in this thread exist, there will be a Sporting Fingal / Cork / Derry / Shels / etc every 18 months or less.

I would have thought the consensus amongst LOI supporters here is squarely against clubs being run into the ground financially.

It's just a bit rich receiving epistles from EPL supporters who equate a handful of clubs currently being able to service gargantuan debts easily in a bubble economy (or try and tout themselves to human rights abusers, Arab oligarchs or freshly legitimized Russian gangsters as a last roll of the dice) as sufficiently high moral ground to preach to other leagues from.

OhNoYouDidn't

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

Well it's good to know that LOI fans have no big problem with clubs being run into the ground financially. Shur, everyone around Europe is doing it.

As long as the attitudes in this thread exist, there will be a Sporting Fingal / Cork / Derry / Shels / etc every 18 months or less.

That is most certainly not what is being said and well you know it.

As stovelid says, the point being made is that its a bit surreal to take a lecture in fiscal prudence from fans of the league with the most 'financial doping' of any championship out there

dreamers75

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

Well it's good to know that LOI fans have no big problem with clubs being run into the ground financially. Shur, everyone around Europe is doing it.

As long as the attitudes in this thread exist, there will be a Sporting Fingal / Cork / Derry / Shels / etc every 18 months or less.

If thats what it takes then so be it, not gonna argue the "other league" angle as i dont really give a **** thats their problem.

We need this over here eventually it will work itself out. Theres has to be a punishement for this ****e.

Jordonvito

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

Well it's good to know that LOI fans have no big problem with clubs being run into the ground financially. Shur, everyone around Europe is doing it.

As long as the attitudes in this thread exist, there will be a Sporting Fingal / Cork / Derry / Shels / etc every 18 months or less.

Good the sooner more of these shambolic clubs wind up the better

dfx-

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

Well it's good to know that LOI fans have no big problem with clubs being run into the ground financially. Shur, everyone around Europe is doing it.

As long as the attitudes in this thread exist, there will be a Sporting Fingal / Cork / Derry / Shels / etc every 18 months or less.

It's clear to see you're out of touch with the attitude to CHF or Sporting Fingal amongst LOI fans within this thread and generally too. Even the first page is a good indicator..

micks

OhNoYouDidn't wrote: »

Kildare County, St James Gate and Kilkenny City all still exist and are all playing in the semi-pro LSL. They are very much still in on the go.

So the only two clubs who have gone bust in the LoI since WW2 are Dublin City and Soporting Fingal, who were both top down, franchise, efforts.

No 'genuine' clubs have gone kaput.

Unlike England.

Kildare county are gone
James' gate are not the same club per say as 20 years ago very little link with Guinness now if any. Kilkenny City do not play in the LSL. The LSL is not a semi-pro league. St Francis went completely then returned to LSL before a court battle with the schoolboy section gaining control of Hyland Pk a section that when Francis went to LOI was a club called Clondalkin Celtic, still rumbling on in the courts.

bohsboy

OhNoYouDidn't wrote: »

If you reckon they are gone, I'm sticking a tenner on them for the league.

Hope you get your tenner back.

Het-Field

Ultimately, I think the experience of Sporting Fingal epitomises the lack of professionalism which exists in the League of Ireland. An astro-turf club, given LOI status, on the back of the demise of another league club. They had no heritage, aside from the splitter mentality which exists amongst some Fingallians vis-a-vis the rest of Dublin.

While fans of the EPL might be seen as standing on tenuious moral, proponants of the League of Ireland cannot possibly suggest that those same supporters are in a position parallel to those in the LOI. First, Shelbourne, Bohemians, Drogheda United, and Derry City are and were financial basket-cases. Cork City F.C are no longer the same legal entity as prevailed during the Coughlan era. Sporting Fingal, Dublin City, Kilkenny City and Kildare County have all gone to the wall. The precise status of Galway United is anything but clear. Wexford Youths are another astro-turf movement. Mervue United were so ill prepared for life in the LOI that their home ground was not up to LOI code. Bray Wanderers seem to be an un-relegatable force thanks to a stay of execution. This also fails to mention that St James' Gate and St Francis could no longer withstand the pressures of LOI football, and opted out.

It should also be noted that St Patrick's Athletic managed to throw away a League Title in 2002 by virtue of unprofessional administration. I know it will touch a nerve with many of the anti-barstooler brigade, but it would be remiss of me not to reference Shamrock Rovers FC, and the 20 years of disgrace they managed to bring on the National League. This all started in 1987 when some half-baked plans were concocted in an attempt to justify the sale of Glenmalure Park. The supposed jewel in the crown of LOI Football spent a number of years homeless, spent time in examinership, endured relegation, and went through a variety of executives and boards, relying on fans with deep pockets to continue to keep the club alive. I agree that in recent years, it has been a positive to see the Hoops return to glory, and Tallaght Stadium is a home to be proud of. But that cannot scrub away the disaster years when Rovers were a joke.

Thus, it is hard to find a National League club, who by virtue of incompetence, deliberate acts or omissions, or unprofessionalism, which is capable of saying that it has always done its best to bolster and buttress the reputation of the LOI.

stovelid

Het-Field wrote: »

I know it will touch a nerve with many of the anti-barstooler brigade, but it would be remiss of me not to reference Shamrock Rovers FC, and the 20 years of disgrace they managed to bring on the National League. This all started in 1987 when some half-baked plans were concocted in an attempt to justify the sale of Glenmalure Park. The supposed jewel in the crown of LOI Football spent a number of years homeless, spent time in examinership, endured relegation, and went through a variety of executives and boards, relying on fans with deep pockets to continue to keep the club alive. I agree that in recent years, it has been a positive to see the Hoops return to glory, and Tallaght Stadium is a home to be proud of. But that cannot scrub away the disaster years when Rovers were a joke.

You make it sound like our fault because Milltown was sold out from under the club by one person.

I always get the feeling from your posts that your hatred of the league is not so much moralistic but a hangover from the fact that Shels can no longer supply the EPL/Champions League experience for you over here. Most LOI supporters want a prudently league (despite the fact that people like yourself and LLoyd constantly imply that we all support financially irresponsible behaviour or that most supporters can actually influence it) buit we're not in it for the Super-Sundays or seeing the clubs enter the big time.

Further to the notion that England is some kind of example, I noticed this in the Guardian today:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2011/feb/15/football-league-greg-clarke-debt

CiaranC

Het-Field wrote: »

Ultimately, I think the experience of Sporting Fingal epitomises the lack of professionalism which exists in the League of Ireland. An astro-turf club, given LOI status, on the back of the demise of another league club. They had no heritage, aside from the splitter mentality which exists amongst some Fingallians vis-a-vis the rest of Dublin.

While fans of the EPL might be seen as standing on tenuious moral, proponants of the League of Ireland cannot possibly suggest that those same supporters are in a position parallel to those in the LOI. First, Shelbourne, Bohemians, Drogheda United, and Derry City are and were financial basket-cases. Cork City F.C are no longer the same legal entity as prevailed during the Coughlan era. Sporting Fingal, Dublin City, Kilkenny City and Kildare County have all gone to the wall. The precise status of Galway United is anything but clear. Wexford Youths are another astro-turf movement. Mervue United were so ill prepared for life in the LOI that their home ground was not up to LOI code. Bray Wanderers seem to be an un-relegatable force thanks to a stay of execution. This also fails to mention that St James' Gate and St Francis could no longer withstand the pressures of LOI football, and opted out.

It should also be noted that St Patrick's Athletic managed to throw away a League Title in 2002 by virtue of unprofessional administration. I know it will touch a nerve with many of the anti-barstooler brigade, but it would be remiss of me not to reference Shamrock Rovers FC, and the 20 years of disgrace they managed to bring on the National League. This all started in 1987 when some half-baked plans were concocted in an attempt to justify the sale of Glenmalure Park. The supposed jewel in the crown of LOI Football spent a number of years homeless, spent time in examinership, endured relegation, and went through a variety of executives and boards, relying on fans with deep pockets to continue to keep the club alive. I agree that in recent years, it has been a positive to see the Hoops return to glory, and Tallaght Stadium is a home to be proud of. But that cannot scrub away the disaster years when Rovers were a joke.

Thus, it is hard to find a National League club, who by virtue of incompetence, deliberate acts or omissions, or unprofessionalism, which is capable of saying that it has always done its best to bolster and buttress the reputation of the LOI.

Not you again. You come on here an regurgitate this exact same post once every two months. Nobody cares what you think.

Het-Field

CiaranC wrote: »

Not you again. You come on here an regurgitate this exact same post once every two months. Nobody cares what you think.

When did you become "everybody", and who supplied you with a mandate to tell me what others think of my posts ?

Grow Up.

Het-Field

stovelid wrote: »

You make it sound like our fault because Milltown was sold out from under the club by one person.

I always get the feeling from your posts that your hatred of the league is not so much moralistic but a hangover from the fact that Shels can no longer supply the EPL/Champions League experience for you over here. Most LOI supporters want a prudently league (despite the fact that people like yourself and LLoyd constantly imply that we all support financially irresponsible behaviour or that most supporters can actually influence it) buit we're not in it for the Super-Sundays or seeing the clubs enter the big time.

Further to the notion that England is some kind of example, I noticed this in the Guardian today:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2011/feb/15/football-league-greg-clarke-debt

Sorry. You clearly have not read my post. I have spoken about the malaise in the administration of the LOI's clubs. GP was sold without any solid plan vis-a-vs a replacement stadium. Im not blaming the fans, but I will blame the administrators who allowed it to happen.

I have no chip on my shoulder with regard to Shelbourne FC. As I have made it clear, I was not in favour of the manner in which the club conducted its business after 2004. As I have said before, I was not there when the team played Deportivo at Lansdowne. But I was there for hundreds of games before that. I was disgusted by the emaciation of Shelbourne Football Club, and I am entitled to vent my disgust.

OhNoYouDidn't

Het-Field wrote: »

When did you become "everybody", and who supplied you with a mandate to tell me what others think of my posts ?

Grow Up.

Hetfield, give it up. We get it. We know that there have been some mistakes made and financial messing in the LoI. Its not a secret.]

But you seem to be going mental at these issues here and ignoring the FAR worse things happening elsewhere.

The LoI is no better or worse run than any other league. Repeating the points ad nauseum just boils peoples piss.

OhNoYouDidn't

Het-Field wrote: »

Sorry. You clearly have not read my post. I have spoken about the malaise in the administration of the LOI's clubs. GP was sold without any solid plan vis-a-vs a replacement stadium. Im not blaming the fans, but I will blame the administrators who allowed it to happen.

What could they have done to stop it?

Het-Field

OhNoYouDidn't wrote: »

Hetfield, give it up. We get it. We know that there have been some mistakes made and financial messing in the LoI. Its not a secret.]

But you seem to be going mental at these issues here and ignoring the FAR worse things happening elsewhere.

The LoI is no better or worse run than any other league. Repeating the points ad nauseum just boils peoples piss.

Im not ignoring other issues. I do get it, especially in relation to the EPL. However, I believe that the leagues are not really comparable, and the possibility of successful speculation in the UK is greater then in Ireland.

If the LOI is run no better or no worse, then why can I cite the litany of mistakes which I have outlined above, and can be individually attributed to one or more clubs in the LOI ?

CiaranC

Het-Field wrote: »

As I have said before, I was not there when the team played Deportivo at Lansdowne. But I was there for hundreds of games before that. I was disgusted by the emaciation of Shelbourne Football Club, and I am entitled to vent my disgust.

Did you say that before? Did anyone believe you when you said it before? Remind me.

Het-Field

OhNoYouDidn't wrote: »

What could they have done to stop it?

Nothing. Nor have I suggested that anything they could have done would have prevented the sale. However, the Kilcoyne family were the owners, and should have ensured a proper plan was in place before they made the short-sighted move of simply selling the place off. Alternatively, the Kilcoyne's may simply not have sold the ground ?

Het-Field

CiaranC wrote: »

Did you say that before? Did anyone believe you when you said it before? Remind me.

If it means that much to you, I suggest you trawl back through my posts in relation to the LOI.

In the meantime, I suggest you rebut my points, and quit with the ad hominem.

OhNoYouDidn't

Het-Field wrote: »

Nothing. Nor have I suggested that anything they could have done would have prevented the sale. However, the Kilcoyne family were the owners, and should have ensured a proper plan was in place before they made the short-sighted move of simply selling the place off. Alternatively, the Kilcoyne's may simply not have sold the ground ?

But by your logic all they were doing is speculating?

Het-Field

OhNoYouDidn't wrote: »

But by your logic all they were doing is speculating?

No. They were making a decision, without a viable plan, and without the support of the club's fanbase. The decision cost the club hugely as the fanbase boycotted the club for months after. Speculating should be done with alternatives, and exit strategies in place. Speculating does not equate to a decision to engage in a process whereby an entity chucks away an important form of revenue, and sells an asset in lieu of a pipe dream involving the rental of another asset..

Stupidity is not speculation.

bohsboy

CiaranC wrote: »

Not you again. You come on here an regurgitate this exact same post once every two months. Nobody cares what you think.

And here you again with your bullying antics. Somebody states something which you don't agree with and the above is the typical retort.

Disgraceful stuff.

oldyouth

Het-Field wrote: »

Ultimately, I think the experience of Sporting Fingal epitomises the lack of professionalism which exists in the League of Ireland. An astro-turf club, given LOI status, on the back of the demise of another league club.

What's an astro-turf club? excuse my ignorance

Gavin "shels"

oldyouth wrote: »

What's an astro-turf club? excuse my ignorance

Dundalk!?:D

gernon

Gavin shels wrote: »

Dundalk!?:D

bit rich coming from Shels in the Tolka Everglades

Het-Field

oldyouth wrote: »

What's an astro-turf club? excuse my ignorance

The use of the term "astro-turf" became popular during the Lisbon I campaign in an attempt to describe Libertas. Essentially, Libertas was deemed to be devoid of Grass Roots activists, and that the entire organisation, lock stock and barrel, was imposed in one fell swoop on the political system.

Teams like Sporting Fingal and Wexford Youths would be soccer clubs in a similar vein. They had no historical roots, they were not built by locals, or by a group of lads brought together by an industry. They were the product of property developers (although I have great respect for Mick Wallace), and businessmen. They were imposed on the League of Ireland without having to do a tap. Ostensibly, they looked like a soccer club, but when you did deeper, you see that they are superficial mock-ups when compared to many existing clubs in Ireland. Remember, astro-turf, is a mock up of grass, and although it may look the same, it simply isnt.

Hard Worker

Het-Field wrote: »

The use of the term "astro-turf" became popular during the Lisbon I campaign in an attempt to describe Libertas. Essentially, Libertas was deemed to be devoid of Grass Roots activists, and that the entire organisation, lock stock and barrel, was imposed in one fell swoop on the political system.

Teams like Sporting Fingal and Wexford Youths would be soccer clubs in a similar vein. They had no historical roots, they were not built by locals, or by a group of lads brought together by an industry. They were the product of property developers (although I have great respect for Mick Wallace), and businessmen. They were imposed on the League of Ireland without having to do a tap. Ostensibly, they looked like a soccer club, but when you did deeper, you see that they are superficial mock-ups when compared to many existing clubs in Ireland. Remember, astro-turf, is a mock up of grass, and although it may look the same, it simply isnt.

You really havn't a clue about Wexford Youths. Do some research.

oldyouth

Het-Field wrote: »

Teams like Sporting Fingal and Wexford Youths would be soccer clubs in a similar vein. They had no historical roots, they were not built by locals, or by a group of lads brought together by an industry.

As Hard Worker suggests, you don't know what you are talking about. Wexford Youths FC was formed on the back of Wexford League Youths, which was successfully managed by Mick Wallace for many many years, bringing in no end of All Ireland titles The team that represented the club in the early years was the backbone of the Wexford League side and that continuity has been there ever since.

The formation of the club side was Mick taking his input to the next stage by providing even better facilities for grass roots football in Wexford and an opportunity to display their talent at a higher level. Mick is not on his own with regard to being the back bone of Wexford football, there are many unsung heros but very few can claim to be as entrenched in it as Mick.

Wexford Youths FC do not pay players. Our reduced income is put towards developing the young talent that undoubtedly exists in Wexford. The grass roots are well and truly established and the green shoots are beginnging to show

djpbarry

Het-Field wrote: »

Thus, it is hard to find a National League club, who by virtue of incompetence, deliberate acts or omissions, or unprofessionalism, which is capable of saying that it has always done its best to bolster and buttress the reputation of the LOI.

And this comes as news to who?

Het-Field wrote: »

If the LOI is run no better or no worse, then why can I cite the litany of mistakes which I have outlined above, and can be individually attributed to one or more clubs in the LOI ?

If we start listing off the litany of clubs in the UK who have run into serious financially difficulties, then this will develop into a very long thread indeed. I know this has already been covered and hairs have been split over what constitutes “going to the wall”, but the simple fact is that financial mismanagement and football go hand-in-hand, no matter what country the football is being played in. That’s not to say that I don’t want to see an end to it, but using it as some sort of yardstick by which to judge the LOI (and slate it, usually) is ridiculous.

For example, I live quite near Stamford Bridge and I often encounter Irish Chelsea fans in pubs ‘round here, over to watch a game. I tell them that, sure, I keep an eye on what happens in the EPL (it’s impossible to get away from it ‘round these parts) and I’d probably take in a game or two if the ticket prices weren’t so extortionately high, but I’ll always be a Pats fan first and foremost. I then receive a lecture about how LOI clubs will never build up a large fan-base because they are run in a financially irresponsible manner. A lecture on unsustainable financial management from Chelsea fans. Go figure.

stovelid

djpbarry wrote: »

A lecture on unsustainable financial management from Chelsea fans. Go figure.

Yup, because obviously every person here that randomly picks an English team to support does a load of research on their long-term financial viability.

I sometimes think the constant exposure to some arguments against the local league within Ireland makes us forget how utterly stupid some of them are: I'm 21 and I couldn't possibly support an Irish club because of the perilous income-expenditure ratio or the naughty supporters saying bold things about me.

LuckyLloyd

Jordonvito wrote: »

Good the sooner more of these shambolic clubs wind up the better

Do you see this guy? I don't give a **** what he thinks. Neither should any of you. I don't care what rambling nonsense Het-Field has to sell either. I am going to more and more LOI games the last couple of years and my concern is solely on the situation here.

As a Liverpool fan also I am fully aware of how scant the buffer zone is between some premiership clubs and financial abyss. But that does not for one single second excuse the conduct of our own clubs in recent years.

stovelid wrote: »

I would have thought the consensus amongst LOI supporters here is squarely against clubs being run into the ground financially.

It's just a bit rich receiving epistles from EPL supporters who equate a handful of clubs currently being able to service gargantuan debts easily in a bubble economy (or try and tout themselves to human rights abusers, Arab oligarchs or freshly legitimized Russian gangsters as a last roll of the dice) as sufficiently high moral ground to preach to other leagues from.

OhNoYouDidn't wrote: »

That is most certainly not what is being said and well you know it.

As stovelid says, the point being made is that its a bit surreal to take a lecture in fiscal prudence from fans of the league with the most 'financial doping' of any championship out there

dfx- wrote: »

It's clear to see you're out of touch with the attitude to CHF or Sporting Fingal amongst LOI fans within this thread and generally too. Even the first page is a good indicator..

I just don't get why ye are fighting the fight on here? It's the same reason why I don't understand when some of you want to argue that Rovers would stay up in the Championship, or the nature of real football fandom, etc, etc.

I take the above posts on board at face value, and can see how my statement was incorrect. But the only arguing that you lads should be doing is with those who would run and support your own clubs into oblivion if given the chance. And there are still far too many of them in the LOI for comfort.

stovelid

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

Do you see this guy? I don't give a **** what he thinks. Neither should any of you. I don't care what rambling nonsense Het-Field has to sell either. I am going to more and more LOI games the last couple of years and my concern is solely on the situation here.

As a Liverpool fan also I am fully aware of how scant the buffer zone is between some premiership clubs and financial abyss. But that does not for one single second excuse the conduct of our own clubs in recent years.

I just don't get why ye are fighting the fight on here? It's the same reason why I don't understand when some of you want to argue that Rovers would stay up in the Championship, or the nature of real football fandom, etc, etc.

I take the above posts on board at face value, and can see how my statement was incorrect. But the only arguing that you lads should be doing is with those who would run and support your own clubs into oblivion if given the chance. And there are still far too many of them in the LOI for comfort.

You know yourself that your views on the financial woes of some LOI clubs are shared by the overwhelming majority of LOI heads here.

You also know it's natural that people will rebut the league comparisons when they're made - especially by people who don't go to games and who are mixing "rambling nonsense" and/or and agenda in with otherwise valid views.

As far as I can see at the moment, there are more clubs in the premier division (as it will stand this season) now running along the right lines than there are not and hopefully that trend continues.

Gavin "shels"

gernon wrote: »

bit rich coming from Shels in the Tolka Everglades

I mentioned Dundalk due to the nature of their bouncy castle of a pitch.;)

TheDoc

gimmick wrote: »

Sad state of affairs really when every single one of the league winners and cup winners of the last decade have all gone bust, or at least have had severe financial issues...

Think it really just says it all about the national game.

The international team, the national league, the standard of grass roots football and couching and the scouting system.

From first hand experience its literally all terrible.

Absolute no suprise to me that this has happend with Fingal, and won't suprise me to see the irish league turn into an amateur game with no paid plyers.

Probably for the best since there is **** all revenue in the national game to sustain any paid players really.

doncarlos

Gavin shels wrote: »

I mentioned Dundalk due to the nature of their bouncy castle of a pitch.;)

The one we make a grand a week from on non match nights!

Gavin "shels"

TheDoc wrote: »

Think it really just says it all about the national game.

The international team, the national league, the standard of grass roots football and couching and the scouting system.

From first hand experience its literally all terrible.

Absolute no suprise to me that this has happend with Fingal, and won't suprise me to see the irish league turn into an amateur game with no paid plyers.

Probably for the best since there is **** all revenue in the national game to sustain any paid players really.

League of Ireland! Credibility fail.

celticutd87

FAI STATEMENT:
'The Independent Club Licensing Appeals Body met this morning to consider Galway United's appeal of the decision of the Independent Club Licensing Committee not to award the club a Premier Division Licence.
'The Appeals Body noted that it is essential to good governance in football that all required documentation is supplied by its due date and in this particular case, they recognise that the onus was on the club to produce the appropriate evidence to the Club Licensing Committee.

'The Appeals Body acknowledge that the tax affairs of the club were and are in order and it was clear that the club had made attempts to secure the appropriate documentation but due to exceptional events were unable to provide it on the date required.

'Given the full circumstances that pertain to this case, the Appeals Body overturned the decision of the Club Licensing Committee and awarded a League Licence - Premier Division to Galway United FC.'


God the FAI have no credability do they. Galway remain in premier division and Monaghan remain in 1st division.I know Galway deserve to remain in the prem because it was a joke in the 1st place but if your going to make a decision then why overturn it later. Seems the leagues being made up based on finance and licensing issues and not because of promotion relegation etc. Joke league.