Paul Sommerville on Vincent Browne tonight....

onekeano

Paul Sommervillle is going to be on Vincent Browne tonight - should be very interesting, he's been spot on all along and I surprised that the like of Fine Gael didn't go out of their way to get him given his excellent economics analysis.

Roy

JTMan

onekeano wrote: »

Paul Sommervillle is going to be on Vincent Browne tonight - should be very interesting, he's been spot on all along and I surprised that the like of Fine Gael didn't go out of their way to get him given his excellent economics analysis.

Roy

Thanks, I will be turning in to watch.

Paul already has my number one vote.

SB-08

Sommerville is fantastic and very passionate about the country. He isn't well known though, and apart from VB and the odd radio interview I rarely hear or see him. I have a lot of time for him though - shame he isn't in my constituency as I'd much rather give him my #1 vote than the candidates I have to choose from.

onekeano

He's canvassing this weekend, in Rathmines on Saturday if anyone would like to help out.

Roy

Browney7

Looks like Constantin is about to lose the rag with Anton here. He is ploughing a lone furrow on here in fairness

gandalf

Good stuff this. All of them are far superior to the tripe that was on Prime Time earlier.

Whoever gets into Government should bring Paul Sommerville into the Cabinet to help sort things out.

onekeano

gandalf wrote: »

Good stuff this. All of them are far superior to the tripe that was on Prime Time earlier.

Whoever gets into Government should bring Paul Sommerville into the Cabinet to help sort things out.

+1 I would have loved to see Constantine run as well........ Anton sounds like a slightly upmarket Martin Mansergh......

Roy

steelcityblues

onekeano wrote: »

He's canvassing this weekend, in Rathmines on Saturday if anyone would like to help out.

Roy

Down at the Swan Centre by any chance?

hungrystudent

onekeano wrote: »

Paul Sommervillle is going to be on Vincent Browne tonight - should be very interesting, he's been spot on all along and I surprised that the like of Fine Gael didn't go out of their way to get him given his excellent economics analysis.

Roy

He's an idiot.The 'suicide bomber' strategy he keeps going on about is pathetic ie "restructure our debt or I'll blow us all up".Trouble with clowns like this is they think because they are expert economists this makes them expert politicians as well.The russian beside him seems to not even understand how the EU works.Sommerville should stick to what he knows, give us the numbers, tell us what they mean..possible scenarios ect. then piss off and let the people with the proper expertise and experience decide what to do about it.
Anyone that votes for single issue, celebrity candidates might as well vote FF.( George Lee anyone?)

Duke Leonal Felmet

Am I the only one who found Sommerville childish? Anytime Murphy disagreed with him on a point he just huffed and puffed and made silly 'argument from authority' style remarks. Perhaps being on TV got to him or something? He looked out of his depth.

bamboozle

hungrystudent wrote: »

He's an idiot.The 'suicide bomber' strategy he keeps going on about is pathetic ie "restructure our debt or I'll blow us all up".Trouble with clowns like this is they think because they are expert economists this makes them expert politicians as well.The russian beside him seems to not even understand how the EU works.Sommerville should stick to what he knows, give us the numbers, tell us what they mean..possible scenarios ect. then piss off and let the people with the proper expertise and experience decide what to do about it.
Anyone that votes for single issue, celebrity candidates might as well vote FF.( George Lee anyone?)

Why on earth would this country want professionals with qualifications sitting in Dail Eireann, the more teachers, publicans, auctioneers & farmers the better i say!

i'd love to know who you consider the people with proper expertiese? the civil servants in the dept of finance...Brian Lenihan...Cowan????

danbohan

hungrystudent wrote: »

He's an idiot.The 'suicide bomber' strategy he keeps going on about is pathetic ie "restructure our debt or I'll blow us all up".Trouble with clowns like this is they think because they are expert economists this makes them expert politicians as well.The russian beside him seems to not even understand how the EU works.Sommerville should stick to what he knows, give us the numbers, tell us what they mean..possible scenarios ect. then piss off and let the people with the proper expertise and experience decide what to do about it.
Anyone that votes for single issue, celebrity candidates might as well vote FF.( George Lee anyone?)

people with the proper expertise and experience decide

you mean people like kenny and joan burton no doubt !

onekeano

steelcityblues wrote: »

Down at the Swan Centre by any chance?

Yes - that's my understanding alright SC, coming along?

Roy

onekeano

hungrystudent wrote: »

expert politicians as well.The russian beside him seems to not even understand how the EU works.

Expert politicians..... the ultimate oxymoron. As for Constantine......I think he has demonstated time after time that he understands only too well how Europe doesn't work!! That's why IBM snapped him us as Head of Macroeconomics....

Roy

hungrystudent

danbohan wrote: »

people with the proper expertise and experience decide

you mean people like kenny and joan burton no doubt !

You may not have heard but there will be a GE soon so it is for you to decide who you think is best suited for the job.What I am saying is relying on the likes of Sommerville to go in to bat for you is the political equivalent of 'taking a knife to a gun fight'..simple as that really.

hungrystudent

onekeano wrote: »

Expert politicians..... the ultimate oxymoron. As for Constantine......I think he has demonstated time after time that he understands only too well how Europe doesn't work!! That's why IBM snapped him us as Head of Macroeconomics....

Roy

My whole point, thanks.Macroeconomics is not politics.

onekeano

hungrystudent wrote: »

You may not have heard but there will be a GE soon so it is for you to decide who you think is best suited for the job.What I am saying is relying on the likes of Sommerville to go in to bat for you is the political equivalent of 'taking a knife to a gun fight'..simple as that really.

Oh right - so we'd be much better off with the likes of BIFFO, Lenihan, Patrick Honohan and chief executive of the National Treasury Management Agency John Corrigan cos they did such a great job the last time ?

Roy

RobAMerc

hungrystudent wrote: »

You may not have heard but there will be a GE soon so it is for you to decide who you think is best suited for the job.What I am saying is relying on the likes of Sommerville to go in to bat for you is the political equivalent of 'taking a knife to a gun fight'..simple as that really.

hahaha - this is the most laughable post I have ever read on boards !
Are you seriously trying to suggest that the likes of Brian lenihan ( Barrister ) or let me see Eamon Ryan ( a bicycle shop owner ) or maybe Enda Kenny - a school teacher ( although he after 30 odd years its unfair to still brand him such ) would be like bringing some sort of armoury better than a piece of wet celery ?

Duke Leonal Felmet

I wouldn't send Sommerville in to negotiate for anything, he seemed clearly rattled by Murphy, snorting and retorting with childish comebacks, slouching in his chair, not adding anything useful to the discussion. Constantin was light years ahead of him.

RobAMerc

Duke Leonal Felmet wrote: »

I wouldn't send Sommerville in to negotiate for anything, he seemed clearly rattled by Murphy, snorting and retorting with childish comebacks, slouching in his chair, not adding anything useful to the discussion. Constantin was light years ahead of him.

I'll admit he sometimes comes across as petulant and a little childish but he is passionate and accomplished in his previous roles.

These are two qualities I would want in someone in government. Its also something I cannot say about 160 of the elected tools we have now!

In my opinion his tv persona means he's honest and raw and not a schooled media performer like the other TD slime.

hungrystudent

RobAMerc wrote: »

hahaha - this is the most laughable post I have ever read on boards !
Are you seriously trying to suggest that the likes of Brian lenihan ( Barrister ) or let me see Eamon Ryan ( a bicycle shop owner ) or maybe Enda Kenny - a school teacher ( although he after 30 odd years its unfair to still brand him such ) would be like bringing some sort of armoury better than a piece of wet celery ?

I never mentioned any of those people.
What's laughable is that the culture of celebrity is so entrenched in Ireland, that none of you seem able to show me the error of my ways by defending what the talking head has to say..or are you all just shinners who know nothing but will support anyone that can spell 'default'?
Enlighten me..why is Sommerville right to suggest the ability to bring down the euro is our ace in the hole? (please try to remember we are in the euro and try to imagine what punt nua would be worth))

onekeano

RobAMerc wrote: »

he is passionate and accomplished in his previous roles.

These are two qualities I would want in someone in government. Its also something I cannot say about 160 of the elected tools we have now!QUOTE]

+1 couldn't agree more.............

onekeano

hungrystudent wrote: »

Ior are you all just shinners who know nothing but will support anyone that can spell 'default'?
Enlighten me..why is Sommerville right to suggest the

:p:p:p:p nice one.....

Duke Leonal Felmet

Petulant! That is the word. However, Constantin is passionate without being petulant. Is he a schooled media performer? Is he slime? Sorry, but I am not convinced by that argument. Sommerville just came across as ignorant and arrogant. I wouldn't vote for him. Constantin, on the other hand... if only.

SafeSurfer

I was unimpressed by Sommerville. His refrain of << but the markets say otherwise >> and so QED wore increasingly thin.

The markets can and have been proved wrong. Why were funds still being pumped into Irish financials when the bubble was already bursting?

Duke Leonal Felmet

SafeSurfer wrote: »

I was unimpressed by Sommerville. His refrain of << but the markets say otherwise >> and so QED wore increasingly thin.

The markets can and have been proved wrong. Where were funds still being pumped into Irish financials when the bubble was already bursting?

Indeed, his heroes Stiglitz, et al would be the first to tell you that.

Sponge Bob

Sommerville would be a far more valuable asset than Andrews Gormley or Creighton in the next Dáil and for that treason I would give him a higher preference than those three spacewasters....even if I did not always agree with him.

He understands game theory

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bamboozle

Permabear wrote: »

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i sky plussed this and watched it again last night, Browne's constant interupting was very annoying, i found Constantin, Mathews and Somerville to be excellant, i might agree with some comments that Somerville was a bit petulant but he just strikes me as a straight talker with little time for nonsense (a lot of which was being spouted by Antoin)

that Constantine guy was highly impressive pity he's not running also.
I hope that Somerville and Mathews both get elected as they are serious intellects in an area where this country lacks. Somerville needs a bit more media training i'd say expecially if he wants to win votes on doorsteps,

i actually found it heartening to watch a show where we have smart people who are giving up highly paid jobs to try get into govt and help get us out of this mess.

irishh_bob

SafeSurfer wrote: »

I was unimpressed by Sommerville. His refrain of << but the markets say otherwise >> and so QED wore increasingly thin.

The markets can and have been proved wrong. Why were funds still being pumped into Irish financials when the bubble was already bursting?

i like sommerville ( most of the time ) but the markets are often wrong , all the talk before christmas was that the euro would be gone by the end of 2011 and spain and portugal would both need bailouts , portugal and spain had no problem selling bonds in january and the euro has been on a huge rally this past seven weeks

btw , i thought professor murphy more than held his own the other night

cock robin

hungrystudent wrote: »

He's an idiot.The 'suicide bomber' strategy he keeps going on about is pathetic ie "restructure our debt or I'll blow us all up".Trouble with clowns like this is they think because they are expert economists this makes them expert politicians as well.The russian beside him seems to not even understand how the EU works.Sommerville should stick to what he knows, give us the numbers, tell us what they mean..possible scenarios ect. then piss off and let the people with the proper expertise and experience decide what to do about it.
Anyone that votes for single issue, celebrity candidates might as well vote FF.( George Lee anyone?)

I dont think Paul Sommerville is an idiot. Was his father not Dr.Michael Sommerville of NTMA fame. The man who refused to invest in Anglo Irish cos he knew it was bollixed. He is more pationate than any politician and I have seen him almost moved to tears as he witnessed the erosion of our once healthy economy. Who are the "people with expertise" to whom you refer, I was under the impression that P.Sommerville and his ilk are those "people" and that they have continually been ignored. A celebrity he most certainly is not and the single biggest issue we must deal with is the countries finances.

Sonnenblumen

Browney7 wrote: »

Looks like Constantin is about to lose the rag with Anton here. He is ploughing a lone furrow on here in fairness

I would imagine many would find Constantin challenging? Difficult to understand and his simplistic soultions difficult to comprehend! But he seems to have fans and favour with TV3, especially VB show.

IMO, another loose canon academic shouting from the sidelines, difficult to take really but better to ignore.

bamboozle

irishh_bob wrote: »

i like sommerville ( most of the time ) but the markets are often wrong , all the talk before christmas was that the euro would be gone by the end of 2011 and spain and portugal would both need bailouts , portugal and spain had no problem selling bonds in january and the euro has been on a huge rally this past seven weeks

btw , i thought professor murphy more than held his own the other night

i thought VB shouted down anyone who tried to argue/disagree with Murphy

HarryL

bamboozle wrote: »

i thought VB shouted down anyone who tried to argue/disagree with Murphy

So did I.

onekeano

I met Paul Sommerville this morning for the first time, I had mailed and offer some time for canvassing even though a) I had never done anything like this before and b) he is not in my constituency.

Having spent a little time in his company and the company of other who knew Paul to varying degrees I have to say it was a very enjoyable way to spend a morning. Sommerville is a gentleman and very appreiciative of the support.

He shows the same passion going around with a group of people as he displays on TV. During the morning quite a few people made a point of stopping to wish him all the best on the basis that theis country needs change and needs it quick.

I would be hopeful that he will be elected and I know if he does get elected he won't be selling out on his principles so I'll be giving as much time as I can over the next couple of weeks to try to get him into the Dail.

Roy

Sponge Bob

bamboozle wrote: »

i thought VB shouted down anyone who tried to argue/disagree with Murphy

He did but he said why, he gave 3x the time to Murphy that he gave to any ONE other panellist because Murphy was the only 'do not renegotiate' panellist and the other three are all for re-negotiation.

So VB did explain this early on even if his balance enforcement was clumsy.

NO RTE PROGRAMME covers the necessary re-negotiation much less how. VB is performing a great public service here. The Irish taxpayer has taken a €0.2 - €0.25 TRILLION HIT to 'save' the Euro FFS ( we genuinely borrowed the rest...we do owe €100bn no questions asked)

Next time he should have Somerville Mathews Gurdgiev and another visceral renegotiator....nobody better than Morgan Kelly. That would be the ultimate panel IMO. As they are all big beasts they wouln't worry about Vinny losing it with them either

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skelliser

Sonnenblumen wrote: »

I would imagine many would find Constantin challenging? Difficult to understand and his simplistic soultions difficult to comprehend! But he seems to have fans and favour with TV3, especially VB show.

IMO, another loose canon academic shouting from the sidelines, difficult to take really but better to ignore.

lol!!
as opposed to Biffo's and lendahand's genius decision to gaurantee all debt!

Dont dismiss someone because you cant understand their accent ffs!

Himself, Lucey, Sommerville, McWilliams have been right all along. But as you said its better to ignore these people and to stick your head in the sand and
hope everything works out!

onekeano

Sommerville is doing quite well, if anyone wonders why... you should have to this......http://www.thepropertypin.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=34045

Roy

Duke Leonal Felmet

He is running in my constituency. I just cant bring myself to vote for him after his performance on Browne.

onekeano

ah go on........:D

Roy

Madd Finn

cock robin wrote: »

I dont think Paul Sommerville is an idiot. Was his father not Dr.Michael Sommerville of NTMA fame. The man who refused to invest in Anglo Irish cos he knew it was bollixed.

Dr Michael Somers the father of Paul Sommerville? Hmm.

Maybe the -ville suffix at the end of the word is a new Irish patronymic like -vitch in Russian or -sen or -dottir in Icelandic.

Or maybe you've just got things horribly wrong?

Duke Leonal Felmet

Oh dear. What a pity. Never mind.

vallo

Madd Finn wrote: »

Dr Michael Somers the father of Paul Sommerville? Hmm.
...
Or maybe you've just got things horribly wrong?

Well i couldn't give a hoot who his father was or wasn't (it'd make me less inclined to vote for someone if they sported the "look at my dad's achievements" card anyway .)

I just think it is a real shame that a shiny lightweight like Eoghan Murphy got elected when someone of Sommerville's calibre gets left out.

Hopefully his strong performance will be noted and he will be given some role in our re-negotiations. Anybody think that is likely?

Pepe LeFrits

Election came a little too early I'm afraid, a March 11th date might have made the difference.

Duke Leonal Felmet

vallo wrote: »

Well i couldn't give a hoot who his father was or wasn't (it'd make me less inclined to vote for someone if they sported the "look at my dad's achievements" card anyway .)

I just think it is a real shame that a shiny lightweight like Eoghan Murphy got elected when someone of Sommerville's calibre gets left out.

Hopefully his strong performance will be noted and he will be given some role in our re-negotiations. Anybody think that is likely?

Yeah, I'm sure they will need someone to slouch in a chair, tutting and moaning like a teenager while producing juvenile 'argument from authority' statements.

I'm delighted that he performed so poorly. The electorate of Dublin SE saw right through him.

vallo

Duke Leonal Felmet wrote: »

Yeah, I'm sure they will need someone to slouch in a chair, tutting and moaning like a teenager while producing juvenile 'argument from authority' statements.

I think you are confusing "argument from authority" with knowing what the hell you are talking about. It's an easy mistake to make in fairness, as the Irish electorate sensibilities to this kind of nuance have been wrecked by all the idiotic twaddle being spouted by our last govt who genuinely had no clue what they were doing it seems.
I also think that if all he did was moan and slouch in a chair you might have a point, but he put his name forward and sought a mandate. That takes courage.
I don't see how pretty boy Eoghan Murphy was more deserving of the vote. At least he came in ahead of Andrews corp.

Duke Leonal Felmet wrote: »

I'm delighted that he performed so poorly. The electorate of Dublin SE saw right through him.

Also, he didn't perform poorly, he was last to be eliminated. And I don't think Dub SE "saw through him" - they just didn't know him. After all he has no RTE profile.

Chucky the tree

Chris Andrews was last to b eliminated. I think he used his website poorly. His policies document is a bit of a joke so unless which I think would have cost him.

irishh_bob

vallo wrote: »

I think you are confusing "argument from authority" with knowing what the hell you are talking about. It's an easy mistake to make in fairness, as the Irish electorate sensibilities to this kind of nuance have been wrecked by all the idiotic twaddle being spouted by our last govt who genuinely had no clue what they were doing it seems.
I also think that if all he did was moan and slouch in a chair you might have a point, but he put his name forward and sought a mandate. That takes courage.
I don't see how pretty boy Eoghan Murphy was more deserving of the vote. At least he came in ahead of Andrews corp.


Also, he didn't perform poorly, he was last to be eliminated. And I don't think Dub SE "saw through him" - they just didn't know him. After all he has no RTE profile.

apart from viewers of vincent brownes late nite TV3 show , hardly anyone in the general public would know who paul sommerville was and less than six months ago , he had no profile at all and no party machine behind him unlike the incredibly smug peter mathews , all things considered , he done quite well

Duke Leonal Felmet

vallo wrote: »

I think you are confusing "argument from authority" with knowing what the hell you are talking about. It's an easy mistake to make in fairness, as the Irish electorate sensibilities to this kind of nuance have been wrecked by all the idiotic twaddle being spouted by our last govt who genuinely had no clue what they were doing it seems.
I also think that if all he did was moan and slouch in a chair you might have a point, but he put his name forward and sought a mandate. That takes courage.
I don't see how pretty boy Eoghan Murphy was more deserving of the vote. At least he came in ahead of Andrews corp.


Also, he didn't perform poorly, he was last to be eliminated. And I don't think Dub SE "saw through him" - they just didn't know him. After all he has no RTE profile.

I saw him on VB, he looked out of his depth on economic issues. I should know a thing or two about this, it is my profession, after all. Unless I didn't understand the 'nuances' in his argument. All he had to offer were other peoples arguments, which he seems to have misunderstood. When Antoin Murphy disagreed, Sommervilles response was like: 'Well, Joseph Stiglitz said it, so who would you believe, a nobel prize winner or you (antoin)?' That is an argument from authority, which is the tactic of those who don't have an argument of their own. Glad to clear that 'nuance' up for you, it was an easy mistake to make, in fairness...

onekeano

Duke Leonal Felmet wrote: »

I saw him on VB, he looked out of his depth on economic issues. I should know a thing or two about this, it is my profession, after all. ...

WOW that's interesting.... sounded to me that people like Constantine Gurdgive, Brian Lucey and David McWilliams to name but a few did not think that Paul was out of his depth.......so much so that they gave up their time to support his campaign presenting at publin meetings and dropping leaflets at weekend but maybe they are out of their depth too?

Roy