wife pulled over for wife speeding in the north, taken to the police station

Matt Simis

Our man in Havana wrote: »

The PSNI cannot cross into the republic for a mere traffic offence.

Is evading Police a mere traffic offense though?
BTW I was kinda of the other side of the argument in the previous thread bout [not] stopping for unmarked cars on our side of the border but I would be more wary of doing it on their side.

tfitzgerald

Op something like this can be upsetting especially if your wife has not been in trouble with the law before I hope she just laughs it off and does not worry too much about it

si_guru

bluemac wrote: »

we lived in the uk and moved back here a few years ago.

What address is on her UK license?

You cannot have a DVLA license with a non UK address!

She just got fined £60 for failing to notify. She will get fined upto £1000 the same reason.

bluemac

tfitzgerald wrote: »

Op something like this can be upsetting especially if your wife has not been in trouble with the law before I hope she just laughs it off and does not worry too much about it

she was very upset and was upset and im sure she will be upset when we go up to court as well... shes never had any dealings with the Police.

bluemac

si_guru wrote: »

What address is on her UK license?

old address in the UK...

bluemac

billyboy01 wrote: »

I wish the Gardai would patrol and impound NI drivers cars that speed on our roads especially the M1! If there boyos are making money from us, its only fair that we boost our revenues with fines from UK speeders!

theres an election winner for Mr Adams.. in Louth...

si_guru

bluemac wrote: »

old address in the UK...

You cannot have a DVLA license with a non UK address! i.e live in Ireland.

She just got fined £60 for failing to notify DVLA of an address changed.. She can get fined upto £1000 the same reason in court.

CiniO

si_guru wrote: »

What address is on her UK license?

You cannot have a DVLA license with a non UK address!

She just got fined £60 for failing to notify. She will get fined upto £1000 the same reason.

Failing to notify who and about what?

bluemac

si_guru wrote: »

You cannot have a DVLA license with a non UK address! i.e live in Ireland.

She just got fined £60 for failing to notify DVLA of an address changed.. She can get fined upto £1000 the same reason in court.

great... that's good news then

dvla site says
Remember, if you permanently move to another country, you can’t register your new address on your British driving licence. You’ll need to contact the driving licence authority in your country of residence.


which means they cannot fine her for doing something she cannot do in the UK? does it...

si_guru

CiniO wrote: »

Failing to notify who and about what?

Sorry editted after I realised I wasn't clear... notify DVLA of an address change.

This is very serious, as nowadyas of course all the ANPR cameradsand police use an MOT, insurance and license database all off of your address.

Having the wrong address is like "going equiped" to commit motoring offences.

So you wife fell fowl of the law even though she is likely an upstanding citizen.

CiniO

si_guru wrote: »

Sorry editted after I realised I wasn't clear... notify DVLA of an address change.

This is very serious, as nowadyas of course all the ANPR cameradsand police use an MOT, insurance and license database all off of your address.

Having the wrong address is like "going equiped" to commit motoring offences.

So you wife fell fowl of the law even though she is likely an upstanding citizen.

That makes sense for someone resident in UK.
But she doesn't live there anymore, so how can she notify them about address change?

mcgarrett

Marlow wrote: »

You don't have to change an EU license until it expires or you loose it. Same reason I still have my danish license.

/M

If you are the holder of a driving livence issued by an EU member state you must exchange it for an Irish licence within 12 months of becoming resident here.

si_guru

CiniO wrote: »

That makes sense for someone resident in UK.
But she doesn't live there anymore, so how can she notify them about address change?

Same way the rest of us did - surrender the license here in Ireland at a tax office for an Irish license.

Marlow

mcgarrett wrote: »

If you are the holder of a driving livence issued by an EU member state you must exchange it for an Irish licence within 12 months of becoming resident here.

Not anymore: http://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/travel_and_recreation/motoring_1/driver_licensing/exchanging_foreign_driving_permit.html

I now have to exchange it, when it expires. Danish licenses expire at the holders 70th birthday.

/M

Tragedy

Break all ties wrote: »

I too would be interested in seeing what legal basis they can demand Irish tax in the UK.

I've read the british statute in question, it's something along the lines of "Any foreign registered car driving in Britain must have valid motor tax in the country of registration".

Don't have time to find a link for it, but google should shed some light.

CiniO

mcgarrett wrote: »

If you are the holder of a driving livence issued by an EU member state you must exchange it for an Irish licence within 12 months of becoming resident here.

That's false information.
You can use licence issued in any EU state as long as it's valid. There's no need to change it for Irish one.

stealthyspeeder

Marlow wrote: »

Not anymore: http://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/travel_and_recreation/motoring_1/driver_licensing/exchanging_foreign_driving_permit.html

I now have to exchange it, when it expires. Danish licenses expire at the holders 70th birthday.

/M

Holders of licences issued by an EU/EEA member state

If you have a driving licence issued by an EU/EEA member state you can drive in Ireland as long as your existing licence is valid. If you wish to exchange your driving licence for an equivalent Irish driving licence, you must do so within 10 years of your driving licence expiring.

Would a british license be valid if the address on it was not in anyway connected to holder?

Our man in Havana

Yes.

Marlow

stealthyspeeder wrote: »

Would a british license be valid if the address on it was not in anyway connected to holder?

Well, the license is valid, no matter what. I'm not sure what the british, irish or french do, when somebody moves out of the country, but I guess you just notify them of the fact and license is still valid until expiry, as they can't issue one with a foreign address.

Most other european countries (at least all of Scandinavia, Germany, Austria I know for sure) don't have the address on the driving license.

/M

mcgarrett

http://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/travel_and_recreation/motoring_1/driver_licensing/exchanging_foreign_driving_permit.html

mcgarrett

http://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/travel_and_recreation/motoring_1/driver_licensing/exchanging_foreign_driving_permit.html

Is wife-speeding any different to husband-speeding or people-speeding?


is she going to court tomorrow after all or what?
I would have thought on the spot fine

Marlow

mcgarrett wrote: »

It's not false information, you can use it as long as it's valid but if you become resident you must exchange it for an Irish licence.

The link that Marlow posted from citizens information also contains this information.

No, that applies for the non-EU countries, that Ireland has an agreement with.

# Australia
# Gibraltar
# Guernsey
# Isle of Man
# Japan
# Jersey
# South Africa
# South Korea
# Switzerland

It doesn't make any difference to the situation the OP is describing though. If you speed up north, get stopped and it turns out, you are not a UK resident (be that with a foreign license or a UK license, where you don't live in the UK anymore), they'll arrest you to take your details and give you a court date, then let you out on bail, once you pay for the bail. That seems to be the procedure up there.

And obviously you'll have to show up for the court date then.

/M

bluemac

Ive read everything i can find and I am still no clearer... as to if you can or cannot drive on a uk licence whilst being resident in ireland for over 12 months..

now I wounder should we go and swap it for an irish licence, we were waiting till it was out of date in about a year... and if we go and swap it now to make sure its all legal and above board.. what will the court say when she turns up with an irish licence?.. not a UK..

they will think she did it not to get points? and fine her for it?

doesn't the EU work so well..

bluemac

bluewolf wrote: »

Is wife-speeding any different to husband-speeding or people-speeding?


is she going to court tomorrow after all or what?
I would have thought on the spot fine

no next month

Marlow

bluewolf wrote: »

is she going to court tomorrow after all or what?
I would have thought on the spot fine

The court date isn't just the next day. In my case it's in approx 2 weeks. And as discussed earlier, there is no such thing as on the spot fine in NI, as it seems, at least, if it's the police, that stop you and it's speeding.

/M

Marlow

bluemac wrote: »

Ive read everything i can find and I am still no clearer... as to if you can or cannot drive on a uk licence whilst being resident in ireland for over 12 months..

No, the section he referred to is for the non-EU countries, that Ireland has an agreement with. In that case you have to exchange after 12 months. There was no such paragraph in the section about EU licenses.

/M

bluemac

Marlow wrote: »

No, the section he referred to is for the non-EU countries, that Ireland has an agreement with. In that case you have to exchange after 12 months. There was no such paragraph in the section about EU licenses.

/M

sounds like we will need a solicitor to explain all this... ha...

so we are allowed to keep our licence form another country as long as its valid. and we cannot notify the DVLA of anything as they tell us not to.. they tell us to talk to the irish roads Ath.

hope thats right as my licence is the old UK type no photo dont have to renew until im about 70!!..

Marlow

bluemac wrote: »

sounds like we will need a solicitor to explain all this... ha...

so we are allowed to keep our licence form another country as long as its valid. and we cannot notify the DVLA of anything as they tell us not to.. they tell us to talk to the irish roads Ath.

hope thats right as my licence is the old UK type no photo dont have to renew until im about 70!!..

Well, I guess you have to tell the DVLA, that you left the country, but you can keep your license and it stays valid. The problem is, that if it doesn't have a photo, a lot of EU countries may not let you use it.

So you might end up having to exchange it (same as if you loose it). The idea of keeping a UK license in Ireland for not getting the points is done and over with anyhow, as they now pass that data on to eachother and enforce it. The handy thing is, not having to renew it every 10 years. A german license would be even more handy, as it does not have an expiration date at all.

/M

Raskolnikov

Which part of the A1 is a 60 zone?

Marlow

Raskolnikov wrote: »

Which part of the A1 is a 60 zone?

60 mph. It changes a couple times between 60 and 70 mph. Specificly the spot they are sitting is outside Banbridge.

/M

si_guru

I think think that the rule/law they will apply here for the fine is that the address on your wife's license is not your current address.. IMHO.

bluemac

Marlow wrote: »

Well, I guess you have to tell the DVLA, that you left the country, /QUOTE]


off dvla site
"Keeping your details correct

Telling DVLA your details have changed will ensure your record is up to date and all future driving licence reminders are sent to your correct address.

Remember, if you permanently move to another country, you can’t register your new address on your British driving licence. You’ll need to contact the driving licence authority in your country of residence."



I dont think you have to inform the DVLA of anything if you move abroad.

Marlow

bluemac wrote: »

Well, I guess you have to tell the DVLA, that you left the country, /QUOTE]


off dvla site
"Keeping your details correct

Telling DVLA your details have changed will ensure your record is up to date and all future driving licence reminders are sent to your correct address.

Remember, if you permanently move to another country, you can’t register your new address on your British driving licence. You’ll need to contact the driving licence authority in your country of residence."



I dont think you have to inform the DVLA of anything if you move abroad.

Well, didn't they give her a piece of paper outlining the offence she was charged with ? That should tell you what they are looking for.

If that just is about speeding, all that'll be is the fine for speeding to be paid at court. At least, that's what the police told me in my case. Be another 2 weeks before I know more myself.

/M

bluemac

guess we will be in the cue behind you.. yes it just says excess speed

Marlow

bluemac wrote: »

guess we will be in the cue behind you.. yes it just says excess speed

Well, if that's the case, then it's the same as myself and I've been told, I'm handed the 80 pounds bail back, when I show in court and I'll be fined then. Most likely 60 pounds, but could be more, normally not.

As I said, they were uncomplicated, friendly and straight forward about it. I don't expect any hassle and I'll just combine the trip up there with a wee few other things.

It makes you think twice about speeding up there though Either that or the other option, which might result in worse, if they catch up with you.

/M

CiniO

Marlow wrote: »

It makes you think twice about speeding up there though Either that or the other option, which might result in worse, if they catch up with you.

/M

Do you know by any chance if it works the same way in GB?
Or is it just about NI, and in GB you can pay on the spot fine?

Our man in Havana

In GB they issue a compounded penalty notice. Pay up immediately or it's a trip to the station.

Marcusm

bluemac wrote: »

Looking for some advice,
The wife (??) was pulled over for speeding just now!! she was on the A1 in a 60 doing 76. she was in no rush to come home, she doesn't speed at all not that type of person, so it would have been a mistake (prob as its a new car to her), (no excuse). She is Irish and lives in the south she has a UK licence, so they have taken her into the station for the past hour. She has to go to court in newry... any one had experience of this and what to expect. I assume she didnt get 4 points and an on the spot fine as she had no UK address.

All seems a bit of a waste of the courts time would take in the licence and get the points and the fine she was in the wrong.

what will the courts do? I assume take the licence and a fine

If she has a UK licence, I assume she had lived in the UK at sow time in the past. Had she notified DVLA or DVLA (NI) of her change of address? If not, that maybe why the detained er rather than simply providing a fixed penalty notice. IIRC the offence of not notifying a change of address is fairly high up the list.

skibum

My dad was involved in an accident on the A1 in banbridge a few years ago, he was heading south when a van crossed in front of him with out looking, to cut a long story short, the van was destroyed, dads car was damaged but driveable, but thankfully everybody involved walked away without a scratch.

When the police arrived dad was formally arrested and taken to Banbridge police station. relatively quickly, (couple of hours) accident investigator's, and witnesses accounts concluded that the van driver was at fault, he was also brought to the station where he admitted liability, dad was then released, and heard no more after that.

Through out the whole incident, he said he was treated firmly but very fairly, but he said that after that when ever he was north of the border he took it very easy, as these guys don't mess around.

Ever since then, any time I'm up north I stick to the limit and have come across a lot more PSNI speed traps on the A1.

OP: keep up informed how your wife gets on in court.

GTE

Raskolnikov wrote: »

Which part of the A1 is a 60 zone?

I do not know the names of the areas but the 60 signs are rather big. They really want you to know they are there so you can't really miss them.

I do know that when you come off the new stretch of the A1 from Dublin it turns to 60 for a few miles. Then 70 for a few, 60 for a few and 70.

Also, when you come from Belfast and you reach the end of the second 60 zone the first corner is uphill to a crest where the road goes down a hill and turns to the left. It was a big scare going along that with a bit of wind.

Cavehill Red

Marlow wrote: »

60 mph. It changes a couple times between 60 and 70 mph. Specificly the spot they are sitting is outside Banbridge.

/M

Good to know. That spot's a decent bit of road (unlike the rest of it.) A lot of people, myself included are inclined to make up a little time there which they lose on the stretches with the (imo) frankly dangerous junctions further up and down.
Typical fruitcakery (or cynical money-making exercise) to make the best bit of the road the lowest speed limit.
I'll be crawling through there in future. Ta for the info.

Stinicker

Most likely the OP's wife fell foul of some RUC old bhoys up there who have a major chip on their shoulder. Had she been driving on Yellow plates and of a different religion I can bet she'd have got a speeding ticket and that would be the end of it.

Marlow

Stinicker wrote: »

Most likely the OP's wife fell foul of some RUC old bhoys up there who have a major chip on their shoulder. Had she been driving on Yellow plates and of a different religion I can bet she'd have got a speeding ticket and that would be the end of it.

Sorry, but that's just plain nonsense, because non of it applies to me and I got the same treatment. As explained by the police, anyone not resident in the UK will get formally arrested and then left out on bail within an hour'ish, with a court date, to appear at.

/M

looksee

Hm, my car has only kph on the speedo, so I would have to convert to mph as I was driving.

Marlow

looksee wrote: »

Hm, my car has only kph on the speedo, so I would have to convert to mph as I was driving.

Or if you have sat-nav, set that to imperial measures, while you're in the UK/NI and use that. Unfortunatly the excuse that your speedo is km/h doesn't really do the trick

/M

stealthyspeeder

looksee wrote: »

Hm, my car has only kph on the speedo, so I would have to convert to mph as I was driving.

If you are unable to comply with the speed regulations of the country you are driving in, you should not be driving in that country.

/dismounts high horse

Tragedy

looksee wrote: »

Hm, my car has only kph on the speedo, so I would have to convert to mph as I was driving.

50mph = 80
60mph = 97(so round it off to 100 to remember it easily)
70mph = 112(so use 110 or 120, whichever you're comfortable with)

It isn't hard.

kazul

Stinicker wrote: »

Most likely the OP's wife fell foul of some RUC old bhoys up there who have a major chip on their shoulder. Had she been driving on Yellow plates and of a different religion I can bet she'd have got a speeding ticket and that would be the end of it.

How does her religion even come in to the situation?
Idiotic post IMO. I thought this type of attitude was a thing of the past.
Seems like you're the one with the (sectarian) chip on your shoulder

nomdeboardie

This whole "formal arrest" thing is nasty, considering that the question "have you ever been arrested (even if not convicted etc...)" can come up in visa applications for the US etc :mad: