Gray & Keys back in the game....

CorkMan

Who replace Andy Gray and Richard Keys????

greendom

CorkMan wrote: »

Who replace Andy Gray and Richard Keys????

Looks like you may need to get a subscription to Sky Sports to find out
Alternatively, Google is your friend

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/8287523/Sky-Sports-to-rotate-presenters-until-successor-to-Richard-Keys-is-found-with-Jeff-Stelling-set-for-prominent-role.html

Paully D

http://www.101greatgoals.com/blog/new-video-of-perverts-richard-keys-andy-gray-taunt-clare-tomlinson-to-get-her-tits-out-for-the-lads/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YLD27abHrf0

Pudsy33

What a pair of arseholes

MD1990

^^
immature clowns

Pepe LeFrits

Interesting timing...

MD1990

Pepe LeFrits wrote: »

Interesting timing...

yeah
Gray appears on BT Sky leak some more footage
id say they have plenty more too

Richard Hillman

A fairly obvious tactic from Sky. As long as it keeps Andy Gray off the TV, its fine by me. A very nasty man and a horrible xenophobe.

Agent Coulson

Agree Gray works for BT. Sky release this.

Sky feeling the pressure of BT I think.

messinkiapina

Agent Coulson wrote: »

Agree Gray works for BT. Sky release this.

Sky feeling the pressure of BT I think.

Funny how Sky had no problem with this carry on (was most likely going on for years and years) until the Sian Massey incident bought it to the public's attention.

Kirby

Why not just take the high road and all that. I mean, surely they can just ignore them and let them get on with what's left of their "careers" at this stage? It does seem somewhat petty and vindictive alright.

Agueroooo

Someone has it big time for these two boys


doesn't excuse them acting the knobs but.

dreamers75

messinkiapina wrote: »

Funny how Sky had no problem with this carry on (was most likely going on for years and years) until the Sian Massey incident bought it to the public's attention.

Gray was suing the Sun for phonetapping is the main rumour for why it came out.

Kirby

If you have a person mic'd up for most of the day, every day....eventually you will find something to hurt them with. Especially over the course of 20 years. I don't care who you are, we all say something stupid or chauvinistic or racist at some point.

Now, It wouldn't surprise me if Andy Gray was a sexist dinosaur and the footage is representative of stuff he says all the time......but the bottom line is that he was "got" for suing the brass. That's just the bottom line.

Gringo180

Seriously who cares, its the carry on of most blokes down the local boozer, just let them get on with there day jobs what harm are they doing ffs!

CSF

Gringo180 wrote: »

Seriously who cares, its the carry on of most blokes down the local boozer, just let them get on with there day jobs what harm are they doing ffs!

I care, they're not in the pub. They're at their day job.

Gringo180

CSF wrote: »

I care, they're not in the pub. They're at their day job.

Your missing the point its not as if they carried on like this live on air. They were hung out to dry.

CSF

Gringo180 wrote: »

Your missing the point its not as if they carried on like this live on air. They were hung out to dry.

Would you let someone make a video of you saying something overly sexist or racist at work? Obviously not. Because something like that might happen. Although I hope you don't say that **** anyway. You seem to be acting like everyone does it but they're the 1s who've been caught.

Paul Tergat

Gringo180 wrote: »

Your missing the point its not as if they carried on like this live on air. They were hung out to dry.

Cant agree with this at all. Clare Tomlinson is trying to do a report and is hearing that kind of crap. Not on

keeponhurling

Did he just say at the end something like "get you froppies a tweak for the lads" or did I imagine that?
What does that even mean?

He has a horrendous accent, that Andy Gray

speedboatchase

keeponhurling wrote: »

Did he just say at the end something like "get you froppies a tweak for the lads" or did I imagine that?
What does that even mean?

He has a horrendous accent, that Andy Gray

I heard it as 'fronties', meaning her breasts.

LiamoSail

Paul Tergat wrote: »

Cant agree with this at all. Clare Tomlinson is trying to do a report and is hearing that kind of crap. Not on

I do agree with your point, but its easy to see how such a culture developed.

The type of comments made by Gray & Keyes are typical of the sort of dressing room banter which would have been common in the 70s/80s among the likes of Gray and other pundits on Sky.

Its a culture that obviously continued in the studio, and left unchallenged, failed to adopt to modern norms as the rest of the world did around them

As has been said, they're comments wouldn't be out of place in a pub, but in the workplace they most certainly are. I think both Keys & Gray are more guilty of immaturity and nativity, and perhaps ignorance in not realising these comments belong in a past era, then of sexism. If they were guilty of worse, I'd imagine the clips released would be of a nature not considered the norm in a pub in this day

.jacksparrow.

Paul Tergat wrote: »

Cant agree with this at all. Clare Tomlinson is trying to do a report and is hearing that kind of crap. Not on

When will women learn to leave the football to the men!

Paul Tergat

LiamoSail wrote: »

I do agree with your point, but its easy to see how such a culture developed.

The type of comments made by Gray & Keyes are typical of the sort of dressing room banter which would have been common in the 70s/80s among the likes of Gray and other pundits on Sky.

Its a culture that obviously continued in the studio, and left unchallenged, failed to adopt to modern norms as the rest of the world did around them

As has been said, they're comments wouldn't be out of place in a pub, but in the workplace they most certainly are. I think both Keys & Gray are more guilty of immaturity and nativity, and perhaps ignorance in not realising these comments belong in a past era, then of sexism. If they were guilty of worse, I'd imagine the clips released would be of a nature not considered the norm in a pub in this day

All fair points. It's just a case of people realising things have moved on. It's strange to think these women didn't speak up sooner. Imagine this in a normal place of work!

Kirby

LiamoSail wrote: »

I think both Keys & Gray are more guilty of immaturity and nativity[/B

What sort of Nativity's do you go to where you hear that sort of language?

CSF

Nearly every time there's a thread about racism or sexism or homophobia in here, you have people defending the culprits. And I just don't get that.

parasite

speedboatchase wrote: »

I heard it as 'fronties', meaning her breasts.

I think it's cockney slang for tits, 'threepenny bits' or "thrupnies"

Skylinehead

LiamoSail wrote: »

I think both Keys & Gray are more guilty of immaturity and nativity, and perhaps ignorance in not realising these comments belong in a past era, then of sexism.

But those comments are sexism, regardless of where they stem from.

Kirby

CSF wrote: »

Nearly every time there's a thread about racism or sexism or homophobia in here, you have people defending the culprits. And I just don't get that.

Who in here was actually defending them?

dreamers75

Paul Tergat wrote: »

It's strange to think these women didn't speak up sooner.

They didnt and still havent which makes me assume its "normal" and still goes on.

dd972

If they get booted off screen again can they take Michael Owen with them?, I'd rather listen to Arabic commentary than that blokes voice, it's almost like he's shouting to make himself sound more interesting.

TimeToShine

There is a horribly misplaced sense of self-righteousness in this thread. 99.9% of the time when they are live on air the two of them are perfectly OK. I personally find them more entertaining than a lot of other presenters but that is obviously open to debate. The fact that people want them off the air purely out of spite is ridiculous. They've made mistakes and been punished for it, let them get on with their job. I don't condone their lewd comments at all but to be honest as long as they keep it off air who are we to complain? Plenty of lads speak a lot more profanely on a daily basis about such things.

CSF

CSF wrote: »

Nearly every time there's a thread about racism or sexism or homophobia in here, you have people defending the culprits. And I just don't get that.

I wouldn't defend them, what I think would be against the charter. :pac: It is a complete and utter stitch-up job though.

Speak Now

No fan of Gray myself but some people like him which is fair enough.
What does Keys bring to the party though? Is he just hanging onto Grays coat tails.

Aidric

Ah these threads always bring out the virtuous among us. Blessed are we.

CSF

Kirby wrote: »

Who in here was actually defending them?

A few people actually, have a read of the page before. Typical 'everyone does it' 'different generation' ****e.

Dozen Wicked Words

Jim Davidson, "all round great bloke", someone accused of much worse, and who has said much worse, is being rehabilitated on UK TV after winning big brother, if they allow him back on tv no reason they won't allow Gray. Large parts of the tabloid press will be horrified this week and think it's a great laugh next week, you can read it all after you have looked at their picture of latest "stunner, 18"

Sir Gallagher

Dozen Wicked Words wrote: »

Jim Davidson, "all round great bloke", someone accused of much worse, and who has said much worse, is being rehabilitated on UK TV after winning big brother, if they allow him back on tv no reason they won't allow Gray. Large parts of the tabloid press will be horrified this week and think it's a great laugh next week, you can read it all after you have looked at their picture of latest "stunner, 18"

Hang on....that cnut won celebrity big brother?

Dempsey

When were they out of the game?

LiamoSail

Skylinehead wrote: »

But those comments are sexism, regardless of where they stem from.

Yea, I didn't say otherwise. My point was that their comments stemed more from ignorance etc then from sexism. Didn't mean to imply they wernt sexist, just that ignorance was a greater factor

RikkFlair

Jerry Seinfeld wrote: »

What does Keys bring to the party though? Is he just hanging onto Grays coat tails.

Stage 6 Hairy Hands syndrome

bennyl10

CSF wrote: »

I care, they're not in the pub. They're at their day job.

While not actually doing there job.
They're basically on lunch or on a tea break, they weren't on air at the time..

You're not allowed have any kind of laugh once you're in the bulilding you work in by your standards..

She seemed to laugh along with it also..

Chucky the tree

bennyl10 wrote: »

While not actually doing there job.
They're basically on lunch or on a tea break, they weren't on air at the time..

You're not allowed have any kind of laugh once you're in the bulilding you work in by your standards..

She seemed to laugh along with it also..

When you're in work on your break today shout "get your tits out for the lads" at one of your female colleagues today and let us know how you get on?

Skylinehead

bennyl10 wrote: »

While not actually doing there job.
They're basically on lunch or on a tea break, they weren't on air at the time..

You're not allowed have any kind of laugh once you're in the bulilding you work in by your standards..

They're still at work. You try it on your lunch break, see how long you last. And it's not "having a laugh", it's blatant sexism.

lertsnim

Sky must be very worried to be releasing that

radharc

bennyl10 wrote: »

She seemed to laugh along with it also..

What option did she have? I thought she looked fairly uncomfortable myself.

Neil3030

Reprehensible behaviour. You'd wonder what Sky allow happen to their female staff if they only seem to do something when they've a certain vendetta to enact.

kfallon

Wasn't she caught in bed (actually under the bed!!) with Bryan Robson by his wife many years ago.

bucketybuck

bennyl10 wrote: »

She seemed to laugh along with it also..

Not getting involved with the wider discussion, but in the video released that is not the look of a woman comfortable with whats being said to her. No chance.

Gringo180

Paully D wrote: »

http://www.101greatgoals.com/blog/new-video-of-perverts-richard-keys-andy-gray-taunt-clare-tomlinson-to-get-her-tits-out-for-the-lads/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YLD27abHrf0

Jaysus thats bad alright, maybe I should of looked at the video before passing comment :eek::o