Deja vu - Labour - restricted breeds

adser53

Still no reply to my email either. I couldn't bring myself to "liking" them on bookface in order to post on their wall they would've been my no. 2 vote but not now. Unless they state they won't be pursuing the ban and I might reconsider.
Either way, what a pack of scrotes!

The list of parties/people deserving my vote diminishes yet again.

ppink

:eek: it was Fine Gael on stag hunting.....now who are we left with. the eegits who got us here, the ones who want to take our dogs or the ones who want to go back to the dark ages :(

http://www.facebook.com/topic.php?uid=144018371254&topic=43080

EGAR

Many many questions were deleted off their FB page. It goes to show what kind of respect they show their voters and how dedicated they are to the truth.

Too bad there is no puke smilie on here...:mad:

Cherry Blossom

Can I nominate my own candidate and just write it at the bottom?

<ETA> Can't actually say what I want to about my local labour candidate cause I'll end up in court :rolleyes:

DBCyc

EGAR wrote: »

Many many questions were deleted off their FB page. It goes to show what kind of respect they show their voters and how dedicated they are to the truth.

Too bad there is no puke smilie on here...:mad:

It seems like this Labour party are after pure populist agendas and little else. They seem perfectly happy to dodge issues, sit on the fence and abandon some of their 'principles' in order to gain popularity.

koneko

I sent Labour an email recently btw, after I saw someone taking down their posters and suspected it was the FF crew that were putting the posters up in the same area.

3 days later I got a completely generic cut and paste "Thank you for your comment" reply back.
I responded to that asking if this email could be used for campaign/policy questions too, and got no response (I didn't even get to ask any questions...)

antomagoo

Just received this email from Fine Gael

Many thanks for your email and your interest in Fine Gael policies.

The Fine Gael party has not proposed amending the restricted breed list. The Party is keen to overhaul outdated animal welfare legislation which extends back for more than 100 years. However, the Party is cognisant that this is a very complex area and please be assured that any issues affecting dog owners will be properly debated and discussed with stakeholders in the context of any future reforms.

Yours Sincerely,
The Fine Gael Campaign Team 2011

At least they have the decency to respond

Vojera

I just posted on their wall. I'm interested to see how long it stays there. I live in an apartment block so I doubt I'll get canvassers but I'm going to email every candidate in my constituency to see what response I get.

ETA:
I got a response! Not much, but this is what they said:
"Hi Orlaith, thanks for your question. We have no current plans to change the legistion (sic) of restricted breeds at this time. However, we are open to suggestions, so feel free to mail us at info@labour.ie."

Of course, this is not what they themselves have said in the past, so I feel as though I'm being fobbed off a bit.

antomagoo

The day before polls open and finally a response from Labour

Anthony,

Davina in my office relayed your message. Apologies for the confusion. Labour wants to see the Control of Dogs Regulations 1998 (SI No.442/1998) properly resourced and implemented on the ground. There is no committment in the Labour Manifesto to ban any type or breed of dog

I hope this clarifies our position for you

Best Wishes

Seán


Deputy Seán Sherlock
Labour Spokesperson on Agriculture and Food
Cork East

seamus

antomagoo wrote: »

The day before polls open and finally a response from Labour

It can't really change my mind at this stage tbh. We would need at least 3 weeks to have a proper discussion about it to confirm his statement is true, or to hear from from someone in Labour with more authority. Like Eamonn Gilmore.

adser53

I still don't trust them. There's too many questions I want answers to on their plans for the cod act. I don't want the RB list enforced, I want it abolished and recognised as the useless piece of legislation it actually is. I couldn't in good conscience vote for a party that plans to merely enforce rather than improve our current control of dogs act. Again I'm referencing the RB list more than anything else

antomagoo

Well they have started responding to the question of BSL on their facebook page in the last 24 hours too

http://www.facebook.com/home.php#!/thelabourparty/posts/205110549502532

Even the staff in DTI are calling for people to back Labour now that they have said the will not introduce BSL as they dont think its a solution to the problem of bad dog ownership. That and they have also stated they will refuse to support any attempt to overturn the ban on stag hunting.

Still on the fence here

koneko

This is very odd. So late in the day (last minute), and they suddenly actually start replying to these points, instead of deleting them? And claim their answer on it has been clear? Clear?? Lol!

Does not sit right with me, if your answer was clear and this was your policy, you'd answer people on it and actually make it clear, instead of deleting posts and ignoring emails.

Bigtoe107

Was going to vote labour, but i dunno now; they may have lost my vote. No chance i want my Staffie paying for the mistakes of others.

toadfly

I havent a clue who to vote for, labour has been out for me since I heard this crap about RB. They never replied to my posts on facebook or to an email I sent them. I email a loads of labour guys in my area and only one answered me. No faith in any of them.

Thinking of not voting at this stage.

Cherry Blossom

TillyGirl wrote: »

Thinking of not voting at this stage.

That won't achieve anything, turn up, draw a big giant X through the whole list of names and an angry face on the bottom, if more people did that the parties would have to seriously re-examine their whole policies.

Cherry Blossom

antomagoo wrote: »

The day before polls open and finally a response from Labour

antomagoo wrote: »

Well they have started responding to the question of BSL on their facebook page in the last 24 hours too

There is a ban on all parties from using the media today so they are trying to win the last few votes via e-mail and facebook

Discodog

There is no more passionate animal lover here than me & I will be voting Labour. I do not believe that they would instigate a ban. The only circumstances would be if there were a series of "attacks" as there were in the UK before their ban. If this happened any party would introduce a ban. In any event it would not necessarily be retrospective - the PR could be horrendous.

I would hate to see FG reintroduce Stag Hunting & a coalition with Labour would stop them. The Sunday Times suggested that FG must of received a serious incentive to bring Stag hunting back & I agree with them. I have a genuine fear of any party getting an overall majority. Enda with total, absolute power is a scary prospect as is a FG coalition with a bunch of independents. Also a coalition with Labour gives us two bites at the Cherry when it comes to lobbying for an Animal Welfare Bill.

Now here's a thought, did Enda agree to Stag hunting to get the dosh knowing that Labour would oppose it ?.

toadfly

adrenalinjunkie wrote: »

That won't achieve anything, turn up, draw a big giant X through the whole list of names and an angry face on the bottom, if more people did that the parties would have to seriously re-examine their whole policies.

Was thinking of doing that but have to drive 2 hours for that privilege.

EGAR

Labour voted AGAINST a ban on staghunting last year.

Discodog

EGAR wrote: »

Labour voted AGAINST a ban on staghunting last year.

Yep Nuala Donlon of the Greens challenged Gilmore on this during a radio phone in. He said that they voted purely to oppose FF. He also said & repeated that they would oppose the reintroduction of Stag Hunting. He added that the ban was existing law that had been voted in by a majority & that he would not overturn it.

EGAR

Haha, what a hypocrisy. If FG had said they would uphold the ban then Labour would lift it to garner votes. Turn and Coats comes to mind and pretty low, even for an Irish political party.

Discodog

adrenalinjunkie wrote: »

That won't achieve anything, turn up, draw a big giant X through the whole list of names and an angry face on the bottom, if more people did that the parties would have to seriously re-examine their whole policies.

Tens of thousands would have to do it otherwise it would make no difference. It just becomes a spoilt vote. I wonder if there is a minimum vote required to make an election valid ?.

I would never suggest that any of the parties are any good. To me it's about damage limitation & not wasting a vote on a party that hasn't got a chance of being in power.

seamus

Discodog wrote: »

Yep Nuala Donlon of the Greens challenged Gilmore on this during a radio phone in. He said that they voted purely to oppose FF. He also said & repeated that they would oppose the reintroduction of Stag Hunting. He added that the ban was existing law that had been voted in by a majority & that he would not overturn it.

Well IMO, if they're willing to vote against a stag hunting ban on that kind of flimsy PR basis, then they're equally likely to vote with FG to overturn the ban if a big enough carrot is dangled in front of them.
They clearly don't consider it an important issue if they're willing to use it for a political game.

toadfly

Does anyone want to share who they plan on voting for?

Discodog

seamus wrote: »

Well IMO, if they're willing to vote against a stag hunting ban on that kind of flimsy PR basis, then they're equally likely to vote with FG to overturn the ban if a big enough carrot is dangled in front of them.
They clearly don't consider it an important issue if they're willing to use it for a political game.

Oh I agree. Every party breaks manifesto pledges. Gilmore said that he would not overturn the ban twice, once on RTE & on Newstalk. None of the parties can be trusted with animal welfare - even the Greens. We can only vote based on our opinion of what they say & then fight animal issues as they occur.

seamus

I'm fairly sure our local Green candidate is going to get my vote (I've been bouncing around for a while on what to do). The greens are really the only party that I can look at their entire policy document and not recoil in horror at any of their proposals. I don't necessarily agree with them all, but there's nothing there that I dislike strongly enough to make me not vote for them.

I already know that Labour and FG are going to run away with it in my constituency so although my vote won't affect the outcome in my area, at least I can say that "I didn't vote for them" when the FG/Lab coalition does something stupid.

Discodog

I should be voting Green but my experiences & their utter cowardice over the Dog Breeding Bill prevent me. Having met some of their "senior team" I was left with an impression of total incompetence. I also wonder just how much money could of been saved if they had forced an election much earlier. They had a position of trust as FF regulators but their lust for power blew it.

We have a Stag Hunting ban that may be overturned & a Dog Breeding Bill that was never signed into law. Even, if a new government sign it, it excludes Greyhounds & will be totally ineffectual in preventing puppy farming.

Cherry Blossom

I might have had a candidate worth voting for if the boundries hadn't been changed which puts me in a different constituancy now, it appears only 1 candidate is even aware that I am in their constituancy. I'll be voting on the individual not the Party as he is the only one which would have any value at all, it's just unfortunate that he's Fianna Fail :rolleyes:.

Honey-ec

TillyGirl wrote: »

Does anyone want to share who they plan on voting for?

I voted Green. I've done so as long as I've had a vote and I'm not going to stop now just to punish them for having the bad judgement to go into government with Fianna Fail.

As for putting an X through your entire vote - total waste of time. It'll just go into the spoiled vote pile, and they don't differentiate between those that were spoiled deliberately and those that were spoiled by accident, which are surprisingly numerous. You're not making any kind of statement by doing that.