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Spoilers - Strikeforce: Fedor vs. Silva - This Saturday
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Can't remember who but check the thread and you'll find itThat's the first time anyone has mentioned my post, what are you talking about full of waffle? I stated my opinion on the fighters Fedor fought in the last three or so years and where they were in their careers. Whether you like it or not Werdum had a 2-2 record in the UFC and Zuffa decided he wasn't worth the money they were paying him at the time. So what exactly is so outlandish in saying he didn't quite cut it??
Also I love how people go on about Rogers being a top level fighter. Here's a guy who has done nothing except beat a guy in Arlovski who would be knocked out by his own shadow at this stage and land a few big blows on Fedor. Lesnar has done a hell of a lot more than that and he gets ridiculed.
The amount of snobbery when it comes to MMA is unreal.
Sorry, who were the two fighters he lost against? Oh yeah, Arlovski was ranked number 2 or 3 when he beat Werdum and he lost to JDS? Who should've been fighting for the UFC HW belt.. Hardly good reasons to be cut, and from what I've heard, it wasn't that he couldn't cut it, it was a disagreement with the UFC that led to him leaving.
Mind quoting the 8 men in that tournament that would overall be better than the Strikeforce's?MrStuffins wrote: »A lot of complete rubbish being spoken in this thread and a lot of it isn't worth replying to.
But i wanna make a quick point about people's hating on the UFC HW division vs the Strikeforce HW Division........... the UFC Division is the superior in my opinion! Look at the tournie for instance
Fedor is a top HW, Silva is a Top HW, Overeem too but REALLY needs to prove it against top competition IMO and then what? Kharitanov? Rogers? Arlovski? Please! barnett who hasnt fought anyone in years?
Werdum turned out to be an average fighter in the UFC. he hardly went in and smashed everyone.
If UFC put together an 8 Man HW Tournie tomorrow, the participants would easily be of a higher standard than the Strikeforce tournament.
What are you talking about, please make a relevant point..Being outside the evil UFC gives you at least a +3 in the Top 10 HW rankings it seems. :pac:0 -
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MrStuffins wrote: »It's not petty at all. I'm no Fedor nut-hugger. But to disregard someone's achievements and say they didnt earn your respect because their career tailed off when they got older is ridiculous.
Ali had the same problem. he got old, too many punches, do people ever say "Nah, Ali was over rated because at the end he couldnt cut it anymore"?? No, they really don't!
A true legend in my eyes wouldnt tail off like it has for Fedor. Thats not trolling, before the "you dont know what your talking about" gems are pulled out. Not by you now, but you know the way people get around here Look at Randy Couture, now theres a legend. What age is he? Age cant really be an excuse for Fedor, he must have just gotten old over night or something cos he was te best of all time after he bet Rogers in some peoples eyes. Fedor is only 34 at the end of the day, if you honestly think he is the greatest of all time and is at the end of his career at 34, then I dunno about his legendary status. Anderson Silva is older than him as far as I know 0 -
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A true legend in my eyes wouldnt tail off like it has for Fedor. Thats not trolling, before the "you dont know what your talking about" gems are pulled out. Not by you now, but you know the way people get around here Look at Randy Couture, now theres a legend. What age is he? Age cant really be an excuse for Fedor, he must have just gotten old over night or something cos he was te best of all time after he bet Rogers in some peoples eyes. Fedor is only 34 at the end of the day, if you honestly think he is the greatest of all time and is at the end of his career at 34, then I dunno about his legendary status. Anderson Silva is older than him as far as I know
But it's not all to do with age! You just made the point yourself, some peoiple like Randy can continue well into their 40s. Some like Silva can reach their peak when other top sportsmen are "old". Footballers are never at the top of their game at 34.
Another point with Fedor is he was never a GSP or a Silva, he didnt dominate every fight he was in. He had some incredible comebacks.
But just because that one guy, Randy Couture (who by the way HAS tailed off too) can still compete at an advanced age, it doesnt take away from the fact that Fedor was beating all of the top HWs in the world when they were all in their prime. he was Pride HW Champ and didn't actually "lose" a fight until his 34th bout..................
How does this not gain your respect?0 -
MrStuffins wrote: »That was me. Barnett has been living off his "Former UFC Champion" moniker for years now. He's failed multiple drug tests and can't even get a licence.
The last top guy he neat was Big Nog 5 years agom who swiftly beat him in the rematch.
Barnett isn't all he's cracked up to be IMO. And they've fed him the easy fight v Rogers with SF... but he'll go no further.
I just think the guy is still much more skilled than Mitrione, obviously on the ground but standing as well. I do really like Mitirione, serious potential and gets so much better each time he fights, but I just don't think he's on Barnett's level. In saying that though, I don't know what Barnett is like sans steroids
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Yawn ...............................
Lol anyway did any one catch the undercard? Wished Bas and Mike "the voice" could have called the main card fights as they were hopping off each other
Haven't seen it yet but I heard they were great together. Any interesting prelim fights? I want to check out the Gracie fight anyway.0 -
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Yawn ...............................
Lol anyway did any one catch the undercard? Wished Bas and Mike "the voice" could have called the main card fights as they were hopping off each other
i watched the undercard. Bas and the Voice were awesome. Made me kinda sad to know they werent gonna call the Main Card.To take you up on your footballer analogy, Ryan Giggs is 37 and he is playing unbelieveably every week for United this year and is getting another year onto the contract, at 37. Fedor is at the age where MMA fighters arguably peak, and after a string of weaker opponents, he has been hammered in his last two fights. A year or two older than Brock Lesnar when he had his FIRST fight.... just sayin :pac:
Again, Randy Couture and Ryan Giggs, 2 exceptional examples. But before I move on, there's no way you can say that either Giggs or Couture are at the top f their respective games.
And you use Giggs as your example, but conveniently forget that 99% of footballers can't compete at the top lever when they get to that age.I'll put it this way so - In my opinion, Werdum and Silva would be lucky to be in the top 5 rankings in the world right now, since everyone keeps bringing these "rankings" up. They both beat Fedor fairly badly. Yet they have been his toughest opponents since he left Pride? He was offered the chance to fight the best in the world, numerous times I'm sure, and for whatever reason he declined. I suppose thats why I dont see the sun shining out his backside. He was a great heavyweight years ago alright. That was years ago though.
I get your point, i agree he hasnt been fighting the best opponents. i actually never said he had.
all I said was, to claim you have no respect for Fedor shows that you probably never ever saw a Pride event in your life or you weren't into MMA at the time when Fedor was the top guy in the world.
Like someone else said, there will be other people who come into watching MMA in 5 years time, just as Anderson Silva is tailing off and isnt the guy he once was. These people werent around to see the guy who completely empties out the MW division and beat everyone, they;ll see a shadow of Silva and say what you're saying now about Fedor.
I know for a fact that you weren't watching MMA when Fedor was Prde HW Champion, because if you had, there's no way you'd be saying you had no respect for him. And if you HAD been around in the Pride days, then you're downright trolling.
If Fedor's history doesn't demand respect, NOBODY'S history demands respect.0 -
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