ncps clamp removed

smash

I've said it before and it's an easy solution. Carry a lock in your boot. If you get clamped, add an extra lock to their chain and then call them and tell them if they want their clamp back there's a release fee of €x or they can remove their lock, and you'll remove yours free of charge. If they try to remove it themselves then it's criminal damage.

MugMugs

smash wrote: »

I've said it before and it's an easy solution. Carry a lock in your boot. If you get clamped, add an extra lock to their chain and then call them and tell them if they want their clamp back there's a release fee of €x or they can remove their lock, and you'll remove yours free of charge. If they try to remove it themselves then it's criminal damage.

I require daily use of my Motor. Whats the solution when come 9pm and you need to get home and your motor is still clamped ?

Anan1

MugMugs wrote: »

I require daily use of my Motor. Whats the solution when come 9pm and you need to get home and your motor is still clamped ?

Don't park like a d1ck. Not only will you retain free use of your car, but you won't have your boot cluttered up with locks, consaws or other assorted junk.

smash

MugMugs wrote: »

I require daily use of my Motor. Whats the solution when come 9pm and you need to get home and your motor is still clamped ?

Get the bus, charge them a late fee as they would do to you.

Jesus Shaves

smash wrote: »

I've said it before and it's an easy solution. Carry a lock in your boot. If you get clamped, add an extra lock to their chain and then call them and tell them if they want their clamp back there's a release fee of €x or they can remove their lock, and you'll remove yours free of charge. If they try to remove it themselves then it's criminal damage.

smash wrote: »

Get the bus, charge them a late fee as they would do to you.

brilliant:D

seamus

galwaytt wrote: »

And, I found it, didn't know it was yours.

That's irrelevant. There is no "finders keepers" law. If you find something it doesn't automatically become yours.

afatbollix

eire-kp wrote: »

What would be the story with cutting a clamp of an English reg car in Dublin?
Or for that matter an Irish reg car in the UK?!
Would the private company's have access to foreign registered owners information?

Apart from the DVLA (Car tax people) you cant clamp a car in England & Wales.

I got a couple of parking tickets on a Irish reg in London and nothing has been said.

MugMugs

Anan1 wrote: »

Don't park like a d1ck. Not only will you retain free use of your car, but you won't have your boot cluttered up with locks, consaws or other assorted junk.

Very well and I agree. Hence me not being clamped.

smash wrote: »

Get the bus, charge them a late fee as they would do to you.

Touché

daseire

I think this argument is pretty stupid. Yes you have a right to take it off. If i put a phone in your pocket and then told you you had to pay me to remove it. Why dont i have any right to keep it? just because your name is on it.

These guys are gangsters. Even if there in the wrong they still make you pay and appeal. They have no right to fine you. They are not a legal department. I understand clamping on Public property but i dont agree with it on private land.

I had an incident once where a relation was staying in my apartment. He had parked in a space. There was 5 free spaces either side of him. He wasnt stopping anybody else from parking especially at 3.30 am when they came around! You ring them and they say they cant remove without payment.

According to law its illegal to tamper with a vehicle.

JustAddWater

daseire wrote: »

I had an incident once where a relation was staying in my apartment. He had parked in a space. There was 5 free spaces either side of him. He wasnt stopping anybody else from parking especially at 3.30 am when they came around!

Irellevent

Markdub2000

was clamped once a couple of years back, was helping a new gf move in to her pad - needless to say, I was rewarded.

I came out the next morning and had been clamped - they said i needed a visitor pass - being a visitor - how was I supposed to know that?

Lucky i was in such a good mood - I'd of done the time for the pair of muppets that came along - I did get the money back though - but it took a very very stern letter....

daseire

It is relevant. When we called there office they stated we should have got a visitors pass but no where on any of there signs does it state that. When we questioned the clampers who clamped the car they never mentioned the visitors pass. When we asked them where was he supposed to park they said they didnt care and he should have parked in the local hotel. We said he wasnt staying in the hotel and they just said pay and appeal. bullys!

Markdub2000

i would think your on rather shakey ground, if you attach something to someone elses car and drive off, i believe your giving up ownership of the device / mechanism and would argue same.

Its not a free standing object, like a car, a house, a pillar box - if the owner attaches it to a moving vehicle he's giving up ownership.
I think the act of clamping should be illegal on the grounds of safety, are these clamping people trained mechanics / NCT? no, yet they are allowed to interfere with components of the car that are vital for safe operation of abs, brakes, sensors etc.

Who is responsible if the clamper inadvertantly disconnects an abs lead when pulling the chain around the back of the wheel and the driver subsequently looses control and slams into a brick wall because his abs malfunctioned?

Markdub2000

It's actually time we took some action and banned clamping permanently, as it is only a matter of time before one of them does cause an accident by damaging either a break, a line to the break, or some other component.

Tickets / towing are the only proper way to punish illegal parking.

daseire

Who is responsible if the clamper inadvertantly disconnects an abs lead when pulling the chain around the back of the wheel and the driver subsequently looses control and slams into a brick wall because his abs malfunctioned?

I agree i think they would argue that they didnt do it!

Its simple as. they are not regulated!

We asked the gardai about it and they said they would not get involved its on private property its a civil matter.

MugMugs

Markdub2000 wrote: »

It's actually time we took some action and banned clamping permanently, as it is only a matter of time before one of them does cause an accident by damaging either a break, a line to the break, or some other component.

Tickets / towing are the only proper way to punish illegal parking.

Generally I don't become the Grammar Nazi but it is "Brake"

And how prey tell can a clamp fixed to the outside of a wheel damage a brake?

Markdub2000

according to wikipedia...


In Republic of Ireland, private clamping is illegal under Section 113 the Road Traffic Act 1961[12] as amended by the Road Traffic Act (Amendment) 1984[13]I][URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:No_original_research"][COLOR=#0000ff]original research?[/COLOR][/URL][/I. However, it is still extremely common as the arcane language of these provision is beyond many.

Markdub2000

Its held to the outside of the wheel by a large metal chain that extends behind the wheel that rests on the abs line, the brake line, and associated wiring for said sensors.

If one of these wires is cut, pulled, snagged and torn by pulling the chain out behind the wheel during installation or removal, it could cause a malfunction leading to a major accident.

Other than that one time, I have always parked legally, I don't want to give anyone reason to have interferred with my car!

It is illegal for a non RGI registered installer to work on or about a gas boiler, why is it not the same for mechanics, shouldn't it be illegal for non-qualified people to interfere with a car, a piece of equipment 100000 times more dangerous and 10000 times more complicated than your average boiler..

You know, we could fight this on safety grounds and either make every joe soap clamper face a mechanics exam or push them out of operation!!!!

nukin_futs

MugMugs wrote: »

Generally I don't become the Grammar Nazi but it is "Brake"

And how prey tell can a clamp fixed to the outside of a wheel damage a brake?

May not damage the brake directly, but damage to the brake line or other components is certainly possible.

MOSSAD

seamus wrote: »

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I've never been clamped... so I can't feel the same anti-clamper sentiment that you appear to.

Clampers are a cross between vermin and parasites.

norrie rugger

Vikings wrote: »

Great advice there. While you are busy complaining to the Garda Ombudsman about a guard who is giving you an opportunity to rectify a situation you got yourself into, the summons for causing criminal damage will probably be served on you, possibly followed by a conviction and fine. And what will the Garda Ombudsman do then? Reprimand a garda for doing his job? Like I said, great advice.

Consult a solicitor is the only good advice received so far. What people here are doing is trying to justify the criminal damage due to the possible wrongful clamping of your car. Though you try explain that to a judge and see how far you get.

If this is in an apartment block the clampers are probably permitted to clamp there by the management company, contact them and see what they have to say. Regardless though, nothing - no questions there, nothing - gives you permission to damage property that does not belong to you.

As frustrating as clampers are, their usual appeals process is to pay the release fee and then appeal to get it refunded with the usual pictures, letters etc. Don't cut the thing off and hope for the best, that will only end in disaster - clampers take pictures, car details etc. etc. during the clamping, do you not think it will be reported at all?

So if someone clamps my car (without warrant), refuses me the use of my property, makes me wait for them to return and then extorts money from me with a promise of return at a later date... this is ok??

He could just as easily say that he was protecting his property from illegal immobilisation.

Anan1

MOSSAD wrote: »

Clampers are a cross between vermin and parasites.

You know, criminals tend to feel the same way about Gardaí. If you hate clampers that much then put them out of business - don't get clamped.

MugMugs

Anan1 wrote: »

You know, criminals tend to feel the same way about Gardaí. If you hate clampers that much then put them out of business - don't get clamped.

Anan1 - you know as well as anybody that sometimes clampers clamp when they're not entitled too. There are plenty of examples all over these boards of such action.

Anan1

MugMugs wrote: »

Anan1 - you know as well as anybody that sometimes clampers clamp when they're not entitled too. There are plenty of examples all over these boards of such action.

Sometimes, but not that often. Most of the people who post here claiming to have been wrongly clamped have stories that quickly fall apart after a few questions. 'I didn't see the sign', 'I didn't know I needed a permit', 'the permit fell off', you know, the usual nonsense. Ask them whether they'd support properly regulated clamping with an independent appeals process and they get all cagey. That's because they don't respect private property, and they resent being forced to. They're the very people who both make clamping necessary and pay the clampers salaries.

norrie rugger

MugMugs wrote: »

Anan1 - you know as well as anybody that sometimes clampers clamp when they're not entitled too. There are plenty of examples all over these boards of such action.

Happened to me, in my own parking space. They clamped a passanger side wheel and left no notice on the windscreen. Was bloody haunted that a neighbour noticed the clamp, as I was about to start the engine.

Anan1

norrie rugger wrote: »

Happened to me, in my own parking space. They clamped a passanger side wheel and left no notice on the windscreen. Was bloody haunted that a neighbour noticed the clamp, as I was about to start the engine.

Would you support properly regulated clamping, with a fair & independent appeals process?

norrie rugger

Anan1 wrote: »

Would you support properly regulated clamping, with a fair & independent appeals process?

Would I have to pay the declamp fine, prior to appeals?

*edit*
moot point as I would refuse to accept that someone can immobilise my car and deny me the right to use my property (especially if, as above, I was parked in my own spot).

Paulw

Markdub2000 wrote: »

according to wikipedia...
.

Well, if it's in wikipedia, then it must be true. :rolleyes:

Maybe I'll go edit wikipedia and make posting of wikipedia articles illegal.

Anan1

norrie rugger wrote: »

Would I have to pay the declamp fine, prior to appeals?

Of course you would, but you'd be assured of proper, clear signposting. Basically, in order to be clamped you'd have to knowingly break the rules. And if you were clamped when you had broken no rule then you'd be assured of your money back.

norrie rugger wrote: »

*edit*
moot point as I would refuse to accept that someone can immobilise my car and deny me the right to use my property (especially if, as above, I was parked in my own spot).

Would you still be opposed, even given the above? And if so, why?

Markdub2000

If I was in the op's position I'd claim the clamper damaged the car and u removed the clamp to examine the damage - the clamper isn't a mechanic nor is the guard - I'd even go to court and sue them for negligence and counter sue for criminal damage - most of these clamper muppets have criminal convictions as long as your arm!!

But I tell u, I wouldn't let it keep me up at night .... I lie there somenights thinking about clampers, household charges, theiving government ministers and do u know what I do - I fall asleep - and I mean like a log!!

Don't worry about it - u have ur car, ur health and ur home - let all kharma go with it

norrie rugger

Anan1 wrote: »

Of course you would, but you'd be assured of proper, clear signposting. Basically, in order to be clamped you'd have to knowingly break the rules. And if you were clamped when you had broken no rule then you'd be assured of your money back.
Would you still be opposed, even given the above? And if so, why?

What if I could not afford their fine and could not be without that money, for the length of time it takes to appeal?
What right would it be for them to demand money, automatically assuming guilt and issuing punishment without fair process
Who are they to deny me the use of my car? We have all needed our cars, in case of emergency. The last thing that I would want is to need my car and be denied access to my private property.

Could I then fine them for illegally clamping my car? Denying me access to my property? Charge them for the value of my time? Charge them interest, on taking and holding my money?
Should I amass costs, due to the timetaken to remove the clamp, such as a missed appointment, flight, job interview etc would I be entitled to compensation?

listermint

Anan1 wrote: »

Of course you would, but you'd be assured of proper, clear signposting. Basically, in order to be clamped you'd have to knowingly break the rules. And if you were clamped when you had broken no rule then you'd be assured of your money back.
Would you still be opposed, even given the above? And if so, why?

Im intrigued Anan, though ive never seen a post by you that isnt heavily weighted towards clamping in general. And i mean heavily. Do you have some sort of lobbying group? Are you the director of a clamping organisation?

What is the background to your extremely pro clamping stance.



Btw it is quite natural for any owner to be pis**d off when someone messes with their vehicle so its obvious as to peoples distaste for someone to interfere with it.

markpb

listermint wrote: »

Im intrigued Anan, though ive never seen a post by you that isnt heavily weighted towards clamping in general. And i mean heavily. Do you have some sort of lobbying group? Are you the director of a clamping organisation? What is the background to your extremely pro clamping stance.

Why does he have to be a director of a clamping company to be in favour of properly regulated clamping? Are you the director of a group of people who can't park properly?

In the estate where I live, we normally have clamping. For a short while in 2010, there was no clamping in place and people stopped parking in the spaces provided and started parking absolutely everywhere: corners, footpaths, double yellow lines, across ramps for wheelchair users and in front of the bins so they couldn't be collected. It finally came to a head when two geniuses parked opposite each other on a narrow corner and prevent the fire brigade from attending a fire. Clamping returned and the problem went away.

In my opinion, clamping is a necessary evil because are rude and thoughtless. However, if it's a necessity, it should be properly regulated with cowboys kicked out by the regulator.

Anan1

listermint wrote: »

Im intrigued Anan, though ive never seen a post by you that isnt heavily weighted towards clamping in general. And i mean heavily. Do you have some sort of lobbying group? Are you the director of a clamping organisation?

What is the background to your extremely pro clamping stance.

I have no personal interest, financial or otherwise. The background is that I respect private property. If I were in your home then i'd respect your wishes, and I presume that you'd extend me the same courtesy. And yet all common courtesy and decency seems to desert some people once we move from the sitting room to the car park. So let me ask you - why are your posts so heavily weighted towards allowing people to get away with abusing the property of others?

listermint wrote: »

Btw it is quite natural for any owner to be pis**d off when someone messes with their vehicle so its obvious as to peoples distaste for someone to interfere with it.

Without just cause, yes. For someone to get upset at being clamped when they knew that they shouldn't be parking there is just childish.

listermint

markpb wrote: »

Why does he have to be a director of a clamping company to be in favour of properly regulated clamping? Are you the director of a group of people who can't park properly?

In the estate where I live, we normally have clamping. For a short while in 2010, there was no clamping in place and people stopped parking in the spaces provided and started parking absolutely everywhere: corners, footpaths, double yellow lines, across ramps for wheelchair users and in front of the bins so they couldn't be collected. It finally came to a head when two geniuses parked opposite each other on a narrow corner and prevent the fire brigade from attending a fire. Clamping returned and the problem went away.

In my opinion, clamping is a necessary evil because are rude and thoughtless. However, if it's a necessity, it should be properly regulated with cowboys kicked out by the regulator.

I can park properly as i havent been on here claiming to be clamped. But ive given my reasons why i think clamping is ridiculous as it just immobilises the vehicle in situ, which is daft.

But Anan has been always been extremely 'pro clamping' as far as back as this debate has been going on. Just wondering why? As it does indeed buck the trend. Clearly you have outlined your reasons above. Fair enough.

its an observation.

Anan1

markpb wrote: »

Why does he have to be a director of a clamping company to be in favour of properly regulated clamping? Are you the director of a group of people who can't park properly?

Not can't, won't.;)

listermint

Anan1 wrote: »

I have no personal interest, financial or otherwise. The background is that I respect private property. If I were in your home then i'd respect your wishes, and I presume that you'd extend me the same courtesy. And yet all common courtesy and decency seems to desert some people once we move from the sitting room to the car park. So let me ask you - why are your posts so heavily weighted towards allowing people to get away with abusing the property of others?

Without just cause, yes. For someone to get upset at being clamped when they knew that they shouldn't be parking there is just childish.

You are assuming both statements are true.

Which as stated numerous times is not always the case.

As ive stated, clamping is daft as is disables the vehicle in situ. If there was a vehicle on my private property i wouldnt want it disabled there id want it shipped away.

Anan1

listermint wrote: »

I can park properly as i havent been on here claiming to be clamped. But ive given my reasons why i think clamping is ridiculous as it just immobilises the vehicle in situ, which is daft.

This old chestnut again? For the 102nd time - deterrence.

listermint wrote: »

But Anan has been always been extremely 'pro clamping' as far as back as this debate has been going on. Just wondering why? As it does indeed buck the trend. Clearly you have outlined your reasons above. Fair enough.

its an observation.

I'm not 'pro clamping', i'm 'pro clamping selfish @rseholes with no respect for private property'. Why does it buck the trend? Because the aforementioned are numerous.

markpb

listermint wrote: »

I can park properly as i havent been on here claiming to be clamped. But ive given my reasons why i think clamping is ridiculous as it just immobilises the vehicle in situ, which is daft.

I know this argument but the thing is.... it doesn't matter. In my case, the threat of clamping is enough to stop people parking in stupid places. For the city council, the threat of clamping is usually enough to stop people abusing on-street parking.

But Anan has been always been extremely 'pro clamping' as far as back as this debate has been going on. Just wondering why?

Again, why does he have to have a vested interest just because he disagrees with you?

Anan1

listermint wrote: »

You are assuming both statements are true.

Which as stated numerous times is not always the case.

I've made it quite clear that i'm only in favour of properly regulated clamping. With clear signposting, the only people being clamped would be those who knew that they shouldn't be parking there. Why do you have a problem with this?

listermint wrote: »

As ive stated, clamping is daft as is disables the vehicle in situ. If there was a vehicle on my private property i wouldnt want it disabled there id want it shipped away.

As explained in Tragedy's thread, that's not always possible. Cars generally can't be lifted underground or in multi storey car parks. Towing is also slow and expensive. Clamping has been shown to be a hugely effective deterrent. No matter how much you hate it, the fact remains that it works.

listermint

Anan1 wrote: »

This old chestnut again? For the 102nd time - deterrence.
I'm not 'pro clamping', i'm 'pro clamping selfish @rseholes with no respect for private property'. Why does it buck the trend? Because the aforementioned are numerous.

There is no deterrence, People who are the 'evil' parkers and what i mean by that is the folks who couldnt give x2 'f&&*s about you or your property will just cut the clamp off.

Your left targeting people who are easy prey. new residents who are just outside your system or visitors who arent informed enough by the the non existent signage stating visitors permits required, and they cant get a permit because office hours are 9-2 on a tuesday.

Its a daft system that is just showing private developments for what they are isolated cold modernist crap where everyone is only out for number 1.

I spent my formitive years in a keyhole cul de sac in Cabra where there was gardens. if someone was in front of your garden you just asked them to move.

Its the small things that make community Anan, its the large things that break it. I wish these boards of management would spend more time trying to be inclusive of all the people living around them rather than dreaming up ways to segregate everyone. ( And honestly i dont think thats wishful thinking)


Its high time to reverse this trend of me feiners.

creedp

markpb wrote: »

Why does he have to be a director of a clamping company to be in favour of properly regulated clamping? Are you the director of a group of people who can't park properly?

In the estate where I live, we normally have clamping. For a short while in 2010, there was no clamping in place and people stopped parking in the spaces provided and started parking absolutely everywhere: corners, footpaths, double yellow lines, across ramps for wheelchair users and in front of the bins so they couldn't be collected. It finally came to a head when two geniuses parked opposite each other on a narrow corner and prevent the fire brigade from attending a fire. Clamping returned and the problem went away.

In my opinion, clamping is a necessary evil because are rude and thoughtless. However, if it's a necessity, it should be properly regulated with cowboys kicked out by the regulator.

Whatever about clamping on private property, I was walking up Harcourt Street at lunchtime and there was an unmarked Garda car parked across the pedestrian crossing (its tax out since end Feb 2012 as were a few more up along the street, including one out since Jan 2011 and one since March 2011!!). In addition to that it was parked at a narrow part of the street (due to the recently installed bollards between the street and the Luas line) causing traffic to inch past him (now you would have to question driving ability here). Where were the clampers in this situation. Its hard to take traffic laws seriously when you see them being flagantry abused by the enforcers ..

markpb

listermint wrote: »

I wish these boards of management would spend more time trying to be inclusive of all the people living around them rather than dreaming up ways to segregate everyone.

How do you stop people parking on corners and footpaths in a private estate? Can you make a constructive suggestion.

listermint

markpb wrote: »

How do you stop people parking on corners and footpaths in a private estate? Can you make a constructive suggestion.

Easy, start small have a meeting about it that includes ALL the residents ALL of them not just the landlords (who will never turn up to your meeting as they dont live there)

Its about including people Mark, these boards only allow for a half dozen of people who bought the property privately and are stuck living there while the remainder of the people feel isolated outside your cosy management cartell ( im not revering to you its the third person)

Why not actively engage everyone?

Whats the reason for everyone to be on the offensive, its only turning Ireland into something we are not renowned for. Where does it end?

I dont think this is sensationlist either, Community / society as a whole as a lot to answer for and weve gone downhill in the last 10 boomy years.

My distaste for it is high.

markpb

listermint wrote: »

Easy, start small have a meeting about it that includes ALL the residents ALL of them not just the landlords (who will never turn up to your meeting as they dont live there)

There are almost 1,000 people living in my estate. How small do you want this meeting? In the same year, there were regular meetings for all the residents (and landlords too, if they wanted to attend). Not many people turned up but at least they could air their views. None of this stopped people parking like asshats.

I understand what you're saying - I used to think the same - but it's not always workable.

Anan1

creedp wrote: »

Whatever about clamping on private property, I was walking up Harcourt Street at lunchtime and there was an unmarked Garda car parked across the pedestrian crossing (its tax out since end Feb 2012 as were a few more up along the street, including one out since Jan 2011 and one since March 2011!!). In addition to that it was parked at a narrow part of the street (due to the recently installed bollards between the street and the Luas line) causing traffic to inch past him (now you would have to question driving ability here). Where were the clampers in this situation. Its hard to take traffic laws seriously when you see them being flagantry abused by the enforcers ..

This is OT, but it really boils my p1ss when they use the Garda spaces for their private cars and then leave work cars parked wherever.

Anan1

listermint wrote: »

Its high time to reverse this trend of me feiners.

Yes it is. And the best way to hit the mé féiners is with regulated, fair clamping.

norrie rugger

Anan1 wrote: »

Yes it is. And the best way to hit the mé féiners is with regulated, fair clamping.

And what about the points against that I raised?

listermint

Anan1 wrote: »

Yes it is. And the best way to hit the mé féiners is with regulated, fair clamping.

Youve gone to the Dark Side Anan, The celtic tiger has stolen your soul. I dont think you can actually see a balanced view anymore from over there..

Marcusm

afatbollix wrote: »

Apart from the DVLA (Car tax people) you cant clamp a car in England & Wales.

that's rubbish unfortunately. The DVLA has nothing to do with parking enforcement whatsoever; it's a local authority issue. I agree that it is, rightly IMO, used much less frequently in Ireland. Likewise while it has been announced that parking and clamping on private land is to be regulated, no legislation has yet been enacted (nor I believe drafted or published).