General Forestry discussion thread

0x0121

Hi, just wondering what the outlook is like for the forest sector for the next few years considering the government is looking at cutting back on budgets etc.I thought that with this whole carbon debate and the need for to take carbon out of the atmosphere (big fines for ireland) the government would be increasing money spent on forestry.I am very imterested in forestry and i was hoping to get into the industry, maybe start a little business planting, cleaning, spraying etc.Has anyone any advice? Money is not a motivating factor with me,Its more of a lifestyle thing.I am a graduate from UCD in agriculture but i did not specialise in forestry.Appreciate any info advice.Thanks

jerryg

You could talk to any of the Teagasc advisors around the country,they are a great source of information.see http://www.teagasc.ie/forestry/,
Best of luck ,
Jerry

Pablo_

like 0x0121 above, i am hoping to also get into forestry, lifestyle reasons also,
but I will try go through teagasc and would prefer arboriculture route. I got accepted to ballyhaise last year but ended up in something completely different. To cut a long story short, I need few months experience in forestry, in any type of ground work, planting etc if I want to apply again this year ... is there any jobs in ireland at the moment, starter jobs, even crappy pay jobs! or where would I start looking?

dontom

pablo,

contact: www.donegalwoodlandowners.com

I believe they have jobs coming up

Hen Harrier

Do not on the day that you are signing the form (FORM 1) looking for PRELIMINARY TECHNICAL APPROVAL from the Department of Agriculture Forestry Section under any circumstances sign any contract with any contractor or his agent or with anyone until you first take it to your solicitor.

This is most important especially if you are looking for the best deal.

it might be even more prudent to wait for to sign the contract until after you get FINANCIAL APPROVAL from the Department of Agriculture Forestry Section.

But again get LEGAL ADVICE before you sign.

Also SIGN TWO CONTRACTS

One for YOURSELF

The other for THE CONTRACTOR/CONSULTANT/Forestry Company

networks

why so hen harrier??

Pablo_

dontom wrote: »

pablo,

contact: www.donegalwoodlandowners.com

I believe they have jobs coming up

Thanks dontom, looks promising:)

alibabba

If i were to plant 50 acres of my farm with forest myself, who do i contact about applying for set up and yearly grants?

Mordy

You could contact a forester that was willing to have you work for him. They can do all the grant work and planning and then subcontract the stuff that you want to do yourself to you. You'll need a C2 and other bits of paper work. Sean McGinnis of Ecoplan Forestry is one that I would recommend. I've started working in forestry recently and found him very helpful.

sean@ecoplan.ie

Good luck
Mordy

mcmahonp

alibabba wrote: »

If i were to plant 50 acres of my farm with forest myself, who do i contact about applying for set up and yearly grants?

You will need get a forester to sign off on all the management plans and the submissions to the forest service. Once you engage one they will do the paper work.

$kilkenny

Heres another good i used a couple of times
http://www.forestry.ie
some of the contractors look promising and are quite good at what they do

bonbon1

Does anybody know what would be the best place to advertise my forest for sale which is located in Eastern Europe?

With wildfires - 2010 in Russia, which have destroyed over 15 million hectares of forest, and Russia is being one of the biggest exporter of wood and timber in the world, there should be some people willing to invest thier money in commodities at such times.

I am sure the wood prices will climb upseriously in the next year.

thanks in advance

buttonsc

Looking to buy firewood/logs either cut or uncut in the greater Dublin area? Any help would be appreciated.

tony melia

i have 4 leylandii trees at the end of my garden about 15/20 ft from my house they are blocking light from my home and my neighbours homes... being an o.a.p i cant afford the cost of having them cut down ... ? question is there something i can put on them to kill them off ....they are about 15ft high... or would anyone have any idea how much it would cost to have them cut right down
grateful
tony

looksee

If you put something on them to kill them they will rot and eventually blow down, possibly doing damage.

If they are 15 ft high they are not all that big and could probably be felled in two stages. Getting rid of the timber would be more of a problem as it would have to be chipped. You might find that someone who cuts hedges might be able to take them down, rather than a tree surgeon, but if they are bigger than you think it may become a more professional job.

Aodhfinn

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7l7ebAPXFKg
going towards the truth about what is not forestry in Ireland .. but a mono crop plantation policy with a multitude of issues social , environmental and economic

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thetiredfarmer

Hi, I will be looking for my second part of the establishment grant (4th year) shortly,Does anyone have any advice or knowledge of potential problems or pitfalls I need to be aware of. All dead plants were replaced each year and weeds sprayed and fencing maintained,Forest is looking very good and healthy!

Kenn sprinter

thetiredfarmer wrote: »

Hi, I will be looking for my second part of the establishment grant (4th year) shortly,Does anyone have any advice or knowledge of potential problems or pitfalls I need to be aware of. All dead plants were replaced each year and weeds sprayed and fencing maintained,Forest is looking very good and healthy!

If the forest is looking good all over and the stocking is over 95% you should be fine. Were any species changed after form 2? IF so be sure to include this in your updated form 3 certified species map.

tabby aspreme

How long does it take after planting for the dept forester to come out to inspect the work

Mordy

tabby aspreme wrote: »

How long does it take after planting for the dept forester to come out to inspect the work

The Forest Service Inspectors are no longer required to inspect every plantation and so they can sign off/approve sites electronically when they hit their computers. However, where a site is flagged for inspection it’s rarely over two months before the planting is seen. Forest Service have a very transparent policy regarding inspections so a phone call to the Approval Section in The Forest Service in Wexford 053 916 3400 will let you know if it was sent to an Inspector, the date it was sent and the current status.

EcoplanMan

Just talk to any registered Forester - a list is available from the Forest Service or Teagasc. Call-outs and applications are usually FOC, so even if you are unsure you should at least get your options.
A contract shouldn't be needed at application stage, as an application is simply an application for approval, with no obligation to proceed with planting.
Check out ecoplan.ie

tabby aspreme

thanks for the replys lads ,as it happened i had an inspection last week and got on ok ,a few small bits to do ,it took six months for them to come out to inspect it so when this work is done i may put a bit of pressure on

Vinkengo

Hi,

I have a small wood close to where I'm building my new home. I would like to get it thinned and would appreciate any advice from members with regard to same.
If getting a contractor where to get a good one any recommendations appreciated?
What do I need to keep in mind?
The wood is 7 acres in size and its in the south east.

Mods (I'm new to this so if its in wrong place please move as appropriate.)

EcoplanMan

There's a lot to consider with regard to thinning; what you need and what you are entitled to. If the plantation is fit for thinning you may qualify for a Roading grant which would add value to your plantation and make any thinnings more valuable. But you must get a Felling Licence before you start anything. My advise would be to take on a forester to complete the paperwork, supervise and act on your behalf to ensure it is done properly - a plantation which is 1st thinned badly has an enormous affect on it's mature value, saving a few Euro now could literally cost you thousands in the future.
What species is the timber and what's the average height?

ludeen

Hi, i'm in the process of buying land in the Kenmare area. The land
in question is 66 acres in total, i was initially intending to plant
forestry on the land, but have been told not possible in this area.
Has anyone planted in this region ? i'm not from a farming background
so don't know what else will make it viable. cheers
L.

EcoplanMan

ludeen wrote: »

Hi, i'm in the process of buying land in the Kenmare area. The land
in question is 66 acres in total, i was initially intending to plant
forestry on the land, but have been told not possible in this area.
Has anyone planted in this region ? i'm not from a farming background
so don't know what else will make it viable. cheers
L.

Was the site deemed unsuitable because of ground conditions or National Parks and Wildlife designations? If it's because of the site's location rather than it's soil, then I imagine it would qualify under the Native Woodland Establishment Scheme. This scheme's qualifying proceedure is a lot more complicated and requires specialist input from a forester and an ecologist, but the grants still cover all costs, it provides as good a premium, and is far better in terms of amenity, landscape and biodiversity.

ludeen

Thanks for the reply Eco,
i talked to teagasc on this , and
it seems this area is protected because of, 1[ native oysters ,2 trees
collecting C02 on easterly winds], i thought this would be a positive,
but not so it seems. I would love to plant native trees but seems
i can't . I'll run the native woodland Scheme by them and see how i get on.
cheers
L.

EcoplanMan

ludeen wrote: »

Thanks for the reply Eco,
i talked to teagasc on this , and
it seems this area is protected because of, 1[ native oysters ,2 trees
collecting C02 on easterly winds], i thought this would be a positive,
but not so it seems. I would love to plant native trees but seems
i can't . I'll run the native woodland Scheme by them and see how i get on.
cheers
L.

What's the townland name and nearest village? I can check the designations from my system. Also, are there any trees on the site or in the hedgerows at present, and what species are they?

ludeen

The land is just outside Sneem village, just a few trees on the
level land[4 acres maybe] whitethorn i think, good land for planting,
the rest though is hilly and will need clearing, but nothing excessive.
thanks again.
L.

somehope11

I looked through a lot of threads and this seems to be the most knowledgeable one.I was wondering if anybody could help me i inherited a sixty acre farm last year and am trying to make the best and most profitable use out of it,about 4 to 5 acres of it is marginal land not bad land just not good grazing land.What im looking to know is,would that be too small an area of land to plant from the point of view of the establishment grant or would i need to plant a bigger area so that all costs are covered.

EcoplanMan

somehope11 wrote: »

I looked through a lot of threads and this seems to be the most knowledgeable one.I was wondering if anybody could help me i inherited a sixty acre farm last year and am trying to make the best and most profitable use out of it,about 4 to 5 acres of it is marginal land not bad land just not good grazing land.What im looking to know is,would that be too small an area of land to plant from the point of view of the establishment grant or would i need to plant a bigger area so that all costs are covered.

The minimum area required to qualify for afforestation grants is 0.01Ha, and the grants generally cover all associated costs. However the margin on a small area is usually not sufficient to justify a forester taking on the entire job and responsibility. But any forester could do the paperwork for you on a small area, and put you in contact with fencers, planters etc. Professional foresters usually need about 10Ha to cover their costs in taking on a job with full supervision of the operation.