Farming Chit Chat

reilig

I sold my suck calves that I posted about last week - CH heifer, of BB cow, 6 weeks old made €420. BB bull off CH cow, 8 weeks old, but a little under fed because the cow hadn't much milk made €480. CH bull off limousin cow - 4 weeks old made €400.

Sold 2 of the above cows as well. The CH cow was 16 years old, had only 2 milk quarters and was 660kg and made €990. The BB cow was 8 years old, a miser on milk and year after year produced the worst calf. She was 870kg and made €1500. Thought I did well. At least the load is a bit lighter with grass being scarce.

reilig

Bodacious wrote: »

What's the story with lads pulling plant out of boards?! They starting up a splinter group or something?!

One or 2 people were disciplined (not by this forum) for posts that they wrote and they seem to have just got the huff and deregistered.

The others, I don't know.

Perhaps they will come back under a different username.

just do it

J DEERE wrote: »

just do it wrote: »

http://www.donedeal.ie/for-sale/beefcattle/3788821

Anyone fancy putting a value on these?

They yours just do it? Lovely animals

Not mine or no connection. Thinking this might be the way to go though, AAxBF cows using a CH terminal sire.

reilig

just do it wrote: »

Not mine or no connection. Thinking this might be the way to go though, AAxBF cows using a CH terminal sire.

I got away from this in recent years. You'll have great milking cows that are easy fed, but calves off a CH bull will come a brown mousey colour. Exporters won't want them, and if they are over done, finishers won't like them either.

I'd be aiming for the calves off these heifers - Limousin if possible. This would take away the narrow bone and tight skin - you' still have a history of milk in them, but you'd also have a good bit of continental in them. They would breed serious calves off a CH, Part, Lim or BB bull.

Hay_man

bbam wrote: »

Are they moving over to BFF or something?

Yes I know muckit is another one who has gone very quiet here in the last while to,

I have both the forum4farming open here and boards,

F4F has 18 members online now :eek:

and boards has 9 :eek:

Whats going on :eek:

bbam

Some showers going over here today. Got caught out in one earlier, in two minutes it looked like I was dipped into a barrel of water!
Have been talking to a few lads who are weaning spring born weanlings this week to house the cows.

reilig

Anyone see the inventions section at Tullamore Show? They did an article about it in today's indo. I was looking at the hydraulic crush that won in the flesh in Tullamore. It was a good invention, but god help us the welding on it was similar to the welding of mine that my father described as "spit" welding when I was 10 years old.

I'm guessing the prize is for the idea or invention as opposed to the quality of the build

jerdee

Good idea but wondered about the head scoop in front gate as you can t feel the pressure you are putting on stock.bit like slaughter houses for halal meat.......

bob charles

reilig wrote: »

Anyone see the inventions section at Tullamore Show? They did an article about it in today's indo. I was looking at the hydraulic crush that won in the flesh in Tullamore. It was a good invention, but god help us the welding on it was similar to the welding of mine that my father described as "spit" welding when I was 10 years old.

I'm guessing the prize is for the idea or invention as opposed to the quality of the build

was this not invented already, im sure there are similar products available in either UK or definitely NZ

snowman707

had a little health scare a couple of months ago, any how went for tests and was on treatment, went for my follow up tests this morn.


all clear, come back in 18 months .. I can live with that, afraid you guys will have to put up with me for a little longer

J DEERE

bbam wrote: »

Some showers going over here today. Got caught out in one earlier, in two minutes it looked like I was dipped into a barrel of water!
Have been talking to a few lads who are weaning spring born weanlings this week to house the cows.

Took action myself last week and weaned the spring calves. 3 months earlier than last year. All settled down now, on good after grass and getting a bit of meal. Can't see how they could be doing any better in the sheds or having the cows eat the best of the grass

1chippy

I'm back early from Carnaross. it was absolutely sick to see the prices tonight. Reilig you done well on the calves. cows with four month old calves selling for 1100. big springing charlaois heifer made the best money at 1400.
Heifer weanlings over 300kg making less than 600. The only animals selling were export quality blue bulls between 350-450 kgs. Anyone that says you will make as much on limo or charlaois are dreaming. we have mainly limo this year and bloody lucky we are not under pressure to sell.

just do it

snowman707 wrote: »

had a little health scare a couple of months ago, any how went for tests and was on treatment, went for my follow up tests this morn.


all clear, come back in 18 months .. I can live with that, afraid you guys will have to put up with me for a little longer

I'm glad to hear it snowman, salads and mineral water from here on in and you'll be grand;)

just do it

1chippy wrote: »

I'm back early from Carnaross. it was absolutely sick to see the prices tonight. Reilig you done well on the calves. cows with four month old calves selling for 1100. big springing charlaois heifer made the best money at 1400.
Heifer weanlings over 300kg making less than 600. The only animals selling were export quality blue bulls between 350-450 kgs. Anyone that says you will make as much on limo or charlaois are dreaming. we have mainly limo this year and bloody lucky we are not under pressure to sell.

Had a quick look in at the weanling sale in Ennis today, saw about 5 bulls and 5 heifers go through. I thought prices were good, but well back, all considering. All made €2.10/kg with some nice stock making €2.30/€2.40. Two bulls around 400kg suitable for export made a bit more around €2.75/kg.

Finno59

have 8 stores to sell on thrusday in castlerea around 340-390kgs. 18months, mostly blacks and 2 mountbeliarde bullocks. Hopefully they'l go ok. 1 lovely peachy coloured char heifer out of MO cow with white face, perfect for breeding.

just do it

Finno59 wrote: »

have 8 stores to sell on thrusday in castlerea around 340-390kgs. 18months, mostly blacks and 2 mountbeliarde bullocks. Hopefully they'l go ok. 1 lovely peachy coloured char heifer out of MO cow with white face, perfect for breeding.

Good luck Finno and make sure to report back;)

Charlie Charolais

Stick on BBC 4, good programme on the history of beef

ellewood

1chippy wrote: »

I'm back early from Carnaross. it was absolutely
sick to see the prices tonight. Reilig you done well on the calves. cows with four month old calves selling for 1100. big springing charlaois heifer made the best money at 1400.
Heifer weanlings over 300kg making less than 600. The only animals selling were export quality blue bulls between 350-450 kgs. Anyone that says you will make as much on limo or charlaois are dreaming. we have mainly limo this year and bloody lucky we are not under pressure to sell.

were these big mature cows or light first calvers either way twas small money for them roughly what weight were they ??
what sort of calves had they?

Muckit

Hay_man wrote: »

Yes I know muckit is another one who has gone very quiet here in the last while

I'm still here! I thought ye were sick of listening to me!!

I was gettin' a little addicted to the F&F forum has to be said and other things weren't gettin' done.

Getting things sorted before my wedding the start of October
Boards I can live without (for a while), but I'd be lost without the missus (ahh!)

Muckit

bob charles wrote: »

was this not invented already, im sure there are similar products available in either UK or definitely NZ

I agree with you Bob 100%. That 'inventions' stand is a pure joke in Tullamore. They're not inventions. Most of them are invented already, they're just variations on the idea. A lot of the exhibitions are made by lads with too much time on their hands IMO.

just do it

Jeez it will be quiet on here come October due to lads going on honeymoon. Make sure to send us an ePostcard if there is such a thing

1chippy

ellewood wrote: »

were these big mature cows or light first calvers either way twas small money for them roughly what weight were they ??
what sort of calves had they?

calves were ok quality, i'll admit a lot were (running with bull but not sure) so seemed a bit iffy. cows ranged from light to big frames, majority were fairly empty and would take a fair bit of feeding if they were to be killed.

whelan1

have 20 cows and heifers calved in last 2 weeks.. lost 2 calves 1 was born with cleanings over face- i was away at a wedding- and the other was born early... also had a suckler cow calved yesterday- a surprise- she had calved last november and bull was out from 1st december, went to tag calf, the cows always go mental when we go to tag them and the bvd tag broke- typical- the needle part snapped when iwent to apply it:eek: had to run and get a new set of tags for the calf, luckily i always use the bvd tag first. anyways have 9 friesian heifer calves, 2 bb heifers and the rest friesian bulls

Muckit

whelan1 wrote: »

have 20 cows and heifers calved in last 2 weeks.. lost 2 calves 1 was born with cleanings over face- i was away at a wedding- and the other was born early... also had a suckler cow calved yesterday- a surprise- she had calved last november and bull was out from 1st december, went to tag calf, the cows always go mental when we go to tag them and the bvd tag broke- typical- the needle part snapped when iwent to apply it:eek: had to run and get a new set of tags for the calf, luckily i always use the bvd tag first. anyways have 9 friesian heifer calves, 2 bb heifers and the rest friesian bulls

Good going Whelan1. Hopefully you'I have few if any more losses.
RE tagging... you've tagged more calves than I have had hot dinners I'm sure, but might be an idea to check the tip of the needle on the tagger aswel. If even a little bit is missing off it, it won't support the bullet of the tag and it'I go to one side rather than go through hole when you go to tag.;)

just do it

Interesting point from one of the better farmers in today's comic. None of his top 20% of calves based on weight gain came from his top 20% heaviest cows.

reilig

just do it wrote: »

Interesting point from one of the better farmers in today's comic. None of his top 20% of calves based on weight gain came from his top 20% heaviest cows.

Heavy cows are heavy for a reason. They put feeding on their back instead of into milk. A good cow will lose condition over the summer as she puts it all into producing milk to feed her calf. Calves that get the most milk will have the best weight gain.

whelan1

Muckit wrote: »

Good going Whelan1. Hopefully you'I have few if any more losses.
RE tagging... you've tagged more calves than I have had hot dinners I'm sure, but might be an idea to check the tip of the needle on the tagger aswel. If even a little bit is missing off it, it won't support the bullet of the tag and it'I go to one side rather than go through hole when you go to tag.;)

i'd say it was more of my fault as i was rushing as the cow was going mad for the calf, i had 3 sets of taggers and i'd say it wasnt lined up right:cool:

whelan1

big local tillage farmer got a few of the big combines at combines for charity to cut his winter barley on their way home, apparently the combines wheren't set right and most of the grain stayed on the straw, dont know what he is going to do with the straw, its on the ground since then, would they have to get it through the combine again?

bob charles

whelan1 wrote: »

big local tillage farmer got a few of the big combines at combines for charity to cut his winter barley on their way home, apparently the combines wheren't set right and most of the grain stayed on the straw, dont know what he is going to do with the straw, its on the ground since then, would they have to get it through the combine again?

that sounds like a pub tale, could put it through combine again but it would be a pain in the arse. was the idiot not checking over the back losses in field

tismesoitis

bob charles wrote: »

that sounds like a pub tale, could put it through combine again but it would be a pain in the arse. was the idiot not checking over the back losses in field

+1 i thought it would or should be standard practice to walk behind combine for 1st 10 mins or so checking under swards of straw for lost grain...not doing this is like going milking without checking if the milk pipe is in the bulk tank.

whelan1

bob charles wrote: »

that sounds like a pub tale, could put it through combine again but it would be a pain in the arse. was the idiot not checking over the back losses in field

no one could understand why it hadnt been baled, the field owner would be a very percise man, everything done right by the book, guy that told me would know his stuff.... surely the longer its on the ground the worse it will get?

whelan1

tismesoitis wrote: »

+1 i thought it would or should be standard practice to walk behind combine for 1st 10 mins or so checking under swards of straw for lost grain...not doing this is like going milking without checking if the milk pipe is in the bulk tank.

i think this was cut after the combines for charity event , the big combines where heading back north afaik... i am not a cereal person so know nothing about it

Bodacious

whelan1 wrote: »

have 20 cows and heifers calved in last 2 weeks.. lost 2 calves 1 was born with cleanings over face- i was away at a wedding- and the other was born early... also had a suckler cow calved yesterday- a surprise- she had calved last november and bull was out from 1st december, went to tag calf, the cows always go mental when we go to tag them and the bvd tag broke- typical- the needle part snapped when iwent to apply it:eek: had to run and get a new set of tags for the calf, luckily i always use the bvd tag first. anyways have 9 friesian heifer calves, 2 bb heifers and the rest friesian bulls

Hi Whelan ,

Could that cow be bulled before bull went out on December 1st, even of he bulled her dec 5th she shouldnt be due until mid sept?!

bbam

tismesoitis wrote: »

...not doing this is like going milking without checking if the milk pipe is in the bulk tank.

Not many dairy men could deny this happens..

whelan1

bbam wrote: »

Not many dairy men could deny this happens..

only happens once though ... after that you recheck:)

whelan1

Bodacious wrote: »

Hi Whelan ,

Could that cow be bulled before bull went out on December 1st, even of he bulled her dec 5th she shouldnt be due until mid sept?!

just went to register calf online , computer kept saying she was calving within 300 days was i sure i wanted to proceed, calf is full term, very hairy- the cow must be a bit of a slapper- yes imean the bull came away from them on 1 december

Richk2012

whelan1 wrote: »

have 20 cows and heifers calved in last 2 weeks.. lost 2 calves 1 was born with cleanings over face- i was away at a wedding- and the other was born early... also had a suckler cow calved yesterday- a surprise- she had calved last november and bull was out from 1st december, went to tag calf, the cows always go mental when we go to tag them and the bvd tag broke- typical- the needle part snapped when iwent to apply it:eek: had to run and get a new set of tags for the calf, luckily i always use the bvd tag first. anyways have 9 friesian heifer calves, 2 bb heifers and the rest friesian bulls

Well done Whelan , do you ever use sexed semen on the friesians??

whelan1

Richk2012 wrote: »

Well done Whelan , do you ever use sexed semen on the friesians??

used it about 5 years ago found it a total waste between low conception rates and bull calves, so just stick to normal now

JohnBoy

how long will it take 12 calves to graze 3 acres of 2 month old lush grass.

tismesoitis

whelan1 wrote: »

only happens once though ... after that you recheck:)

when we were milking the drain from the dairy returned through the pit so WHEN we for got to put the pipe in the tank we only lost a couple of gallons before we noticed:o:o

Kovu

I'm back! (For a couple of weeks at least)
I've given enough blood every day to bring the dodo back to life:P

snowman707

Kovu Murr wrote: »

I'm back! (For a couple of weeks at least)
I've given enough blood every day to bring the dodo back to life:P[/QUOTE


WB Karen Glad you're ok

whelan1

tismesoitis wrote: »

when we were milking the drain from the dairy returned through the pit so WHEN we for got to put the pipe in the tank we only lost a couple of gallons before we noticed:o:o

we have that too, but before we did it did happen

reilig

Bit the bullet today and rented 40 acres of grass. It was that or let the cows in on the grass for the second cut, house some of the others and open this year's silage. Its good grass which hasn't been eaten since April. Ground is as dry as a bone - some comparison with what we have. Lucky to get it i suppose. Its 30 miles away but I pass it on the way to work every day!

Was talking to a guy who works for born na mona today, He recons that they pay a load of money to weather forecasters because their job is so weather dependent. Anyway, their advisors recon that all the signs are in place that we are going to have a good month of september. I hope they are right. Its nice to a glimmer of hope, it raises the spirits a little and if they are wrong, at least we will have someone to blame!!

whelan1

reilig wrote: »

Bit the bullet today and rented 40 acres of grass. It was that or let the cows in on the grass for the second cut, house some of the others and open this year's silage. Its good grass which hasn't been eaten since April. Ground is as dry as a bone - some comparison with what we have. Lucky to get it i suppose. Its 30 miles away but I pass it on the way to work every day!

Was talking to a guy who works for born na mona today, He recons that they pay a load of money to weather forecasters because their job is so weather dependent. Anyway, their advisors recon that all the signs are in place that we are going to have a good month of september. I hope they are right. Its nice to a glimmer of hope, it raises the spirits a little and if they are wrong, at least we will have someone to blame!!

good luck with the land... hope the forecasters are right, will probably have to rehouse my cows tomorrow night, disaster

pakalasa

I went herding today to find a january born Simm heifer bulling.... at 8 months of age....:eek:.... Big panic then to seperate.

snowman707

had a cow with sunstroke to day, ..

can't ever remember a case before, she's fairly off form,

any body any experience of it?

1chippy

pakalasa wrote: »

I went herding today to find a january born Simm heifer bulling.... at 8 months of age....:eek:.... Big panic then to seperate.

we had a heifer that got bulled at 6 months. calved down last dec with a serious pull. fine heifer calf, now. reckon another month or two and she will be a lot bigger than her mother. She isnt worth selling, as no one would be interested with her size and appearance so we said we would chance her another year.

pakalasa

snowman707 wrote: »

had a cow with sunstroke to day, ..

can't ever remember a case before, she's fairly off form,

any body any experience of it?

Is it photosensitization? I had a cow with it before. Usually caused by eating a plant such as ragwort. UV light then sets off a reaction.

snowman707

pakalasa wrote: »

Is it photosensitization? I had a cow with it before. Usually caused by eating a plant such as ragwort. UV light then sets off a reaction.

don't know, wasn't here when the vet came, she's is on fairly clean pasture, and definitely no ragwort.