Farming Chit Chat

bogman_bass

keep going wrote: »

id say i have a first calver throwing a calf tonight:(.oh well as long as there is only one

feel your pain. 3rd calver spat out a dead calf 2 weeks early about 2 hours ago.:(

Milkymoos

bogman_bass wrote: »

feel your pain. 3rd calver spat out a dead calf 2 weeks early about 2 hours ago.:(

@ keep going as well: are ye vaccinating for salmonella? Seems to be alot of it around this year already. Would be worth taking the calf to the regional vet lab just to make sure it is nothing sinister. Test for neospora as well while they at it.

keep going

Milkymoos wrote: »

@ keep going as well: are ye vaccinating for salmonella? Seems to be alot of it around this year already. Would be worth taking the calf to the regional vet lab just to make sure it is nothing sinister. Test for neospora as well while they at it.

just back from the shed and shes popped it. to be honest i wasnt thinking of taking it to the lab as i have done loads of times before and nothing ever comes back but if a second happened i would.a bit small looking for this stage in the year- less than a foot long but maybe she was calving later

just do it

The rain has started here, but on the upside I got the SFP text. I hope it hits the account tomorrow

whelan1

i am with ulster bank, money is in

KCTK

BOI, in also

blue5000

KCTK wrote: »

BOI, in also

AIB must be using it to stop a gap temporarily somewhere:mad:

kevthegaff

blue5000 wrote: »

AIB must be using it to stop a gap temporarily somewhere:mad:

in too another repayment for one of my loans!

snowman707

aib money in

reilig

BOI in too

bogman_bass

If you are in the BVD scheme this year do you have to do an ear test on a dead calf does anybody know?

reilig

bogman_bass wrote: »

If you are in the BVD scheme this year do you have to do an ear test on a dead calf does anybody know?

Its voluntary this year, so you don't have to - but maybe you want to rule out BVD as a cause of death?

Next year, you will have to do a bvd test on all registered calves, dead or alive.

wesleysniper38

Yeah its in... but after the cheques I had to write yesterday it'll be out by this evening.
Still no point in complaining.

whelan1

bogman_bass wrote: »

If you are in the BVD scheme this year do you have to do an ear test on a dead calf does anybody know?

I do them

bogman_bass

reilig wrote: »

Its voluntary this year, so you don't have to - but maybe you want to rule out BVD as a cause of death?

Next year, you will have to do a bvd test on all registered calves, dead or alive.

It would be unusual to have a calf born dead but full term because of BVD wouldnt it?

to finish the scheme a year early (because you tested in 2012) do you need to test dead calves is what I'm asking I suppose

reilig

bogman_bass wrote: »

It would be unusual to have a calf born dead but full term because of BVD wouldnt it?

The calf might not have died of BVD but could still be a PI.

bogman_bass wrote: »

to finish the scheme a year early (because you tested in 2012) do you need to test dead calves is what I'm asking I suppose

I imagine that the answer to that is yes.

Username John

whelan1 wrote: »

i am with ulster bank, money is in

KCTK wrote: »

BOI, in also

PTSB, in also

whelan1

reilig wrote: »

The calf might not have died of BVD but could still be a PI.



I imagine that the answer to that is yes.

but you have already paid for the bvd tag , you are going to have to tag the dead calf for the knackery to take it, cant understand why you wouldnt bvd test it

bogman_bass

still have to pay for the test and its another job to do

whelan1

bogman_bass wrote: »

still have to pay for the test and its another job to do

so wait another year to see if the cow has a pi calf, its a no brainer imo, why do the rest and not do this one

tanko

bogman_bass wrote: »

If you are in the BVD scheme this year do you have to do an ear test on a dead calf does anybody know?

If you are in the scheme you must test ALL calves dead or alive, as far as i know.

Juniorhurler

bogman_bass wrote: »

still have to pay for the test and its another job to do

You'd have it done in the time it took to ask here.:D:D

snowman707

bogman_bass wrote: »

If you are in the BVD scheme this year do you have to do an ear test on a dead calf does anybody know?

reilig wrote: »

Its voluntary this year, so you don't have to - but maybe you want to rule out BVD as a cause of death?

Next year, you will have to do a bvd test on all registered calves, dead or alive.

if you're in the scheme you are expected to test including dead and still born

for the sake sake of a few € best not to get the powers that be asking question

just do it

bogman_bass wrote: »

If you are in the BVD scheme this year do you have to do an ear test on a dead calf does anybody know?

I did for one this Spring. I'd be concerned that this year mightn't be counted as one of your three years if you don't do them all. And of course, good to rule out if it was BVD +ve as well

pakalasa

Saturday 20th Oct 2012, Roscrea.
And not one ICBF figure in the catalogue. How come ?

http://www.ibbcs.com/

Bizzum

bogman_bass wrote: »

feel your pain. 3rd calver spat out a dead calf 2 weeks early about 2 hours ago.:(

Same here a real good cow too gone about 8mths . It's a real sickener. 3 or 4 all well since though thankfully, although another good Ba cow carrying to the Sim bull CQA had a bull calf. Getting it hard to get a Sim heifer!

Bizzum

pakalasa wrote: »

Saturday 20th Oct 2012, Roscrea.
And not one ICBF figure in the catalogue. How come ?

http://www.ibbcs.com/[/QUOTE]

I noticed your edit there..............How come ?:D

vanderbadger

is limousin bull PAM good for replacements?

Black Smoke

vanderbadger wrote: »

is limousin bull PAM good for replacements?

I have two PAM calves this year. One bull, and one heifer. I wouldn't rate either one as good quality stock. Won't be using him again.

Kovu

It was like a Carry On film here this morning.
Got up and went to check two heifers on land a couple of miles away.....soon as we arrived...uh oh, only one heifer roaring her head off. Cue scouring all the gripes to see if she was there or find gaps where she broke out. Myself managing to lose a welly in muck at one point:o Still no sign so we went to the only gap we found (where a tree came down in Spring) and debated if she got out there. Now this gap was in a gripe, when I stood in it the next field was a 5ft vertical difference. Dad said there was no chance she'd jump it, I thought otherwise as she's a wee bit flighty and only 14 months. I scrambled up it (note to self- buy Persil for next wash) and walk the 6, yes, 6 fields, that it connects to. Lo and behold, isn't the heifer in the middle of cows and in heat. Broadening her horizons in both senses of the word. Then I realise that said field is a farmer who is locked up. B*llocks. Can't bring them to neighbours yard. So the smart idea is to try tempt the heifer down the 5ft jump with a bag of nuts, we get the heifer to the break in the ditch, I jump down the ditch and slip, covering myself in muck. Heifer runs so no go on that plan. So plan B- We bring her to the gate with the cows and walk her back by herself. We get to the gate and she won't split from them for about 15 min. (10 min of ploshing through mud and rushes after we tried the nice quiet approach) and then we had to walk her down the main road by herself with cars coming back from mass.....
Farming......gotta love it:pac:

vanderbadger

Black Smoke wrote: »

I have two PAM calves this year. One bull, and one heifer. I wouldn't rate either one as good quality stock. Won't be using him again.

hmm have a nice little ch springer that calved the other day, had a PAM heifer, she is pretty small now alright, doesnt look anything yet, was looking him up on icbf and he seems to have ****e rating on bother terminal and maternal, I had thought from the old dovea book he was good maternal bull. have another springer ai'd same time as this girl to cwi and she doesnt look like she will calf for another day or two..my first limos really, was hoping to breed a few heifers..a few people here have sais cwi calves very wild

tanko

vanderbadger wrote: »

hmm have a nice little ch springer that calved the other day, had a PAM heifer, she is pretty small now alright, doesnt look anything yet, was looking him up on icbf and he seems to have ****e rating on bother terminal and maternal, I had thought from the old dovea book he was good maternal bull. have another springer ai'd same time as this girl to cwi and she doesnt look like she will calf for another day or two..my first limos really, was hoping to breed a few heifers..a few people here have sais cwi calves very wild

I had calves of PAM last year, didnt think much of them to start with but they really filled out once they reached 6 months old. Have kept a couple of the heifers for cows. Never used CWI but he has a calving difficulty of 8%, dont forget to set the alarm clock!!

vanderbadger

tanko wrote: »

I had calves of PAM last year, didnt think much of them to start with but they really filled out once they reached 6 months old. Have kept a couple of the heifers for cows. Never used CWI but he has a calving difficulty of 8%, dont forget to set the alarm clock!!

ai man said he was easy calfing...famous last words :rolleyes:

just do it

vanderbadger wrote: »

is limousin bull PAM good for replacements?

The weanling producer of the year in 2009 (I think!) used him for breeding cows. He's an AI technician who has a herd of 3/4 bred LM cows producing top quality BB weanlings for the export market. Maybe the 1/4 FR in his cows is making up for the poor maternal traits on ICBF?

The calf is small now but maybe she'll turn into the best cow you have in the place in years to come:). My best two weanlings are from very average looking cows.

againstthetide

After being off the farm for 5 years, I am making a bit of a return to an agriculture related company.

http://www.bourgault.com/ manufacturers of quite large seed drills.
IN the interview I told em we used to have a five foot disk harrow, I think that swung it for me!

pakalasa

http://www.independent.ie/entertainment/tv-radio/we-need-to-move-those-deer-crossing-signs-radio-clip-of-donna-the-deer-lady-goes-viral-3264318.html

Richk2012

vanderbadger wrote: »

.a few people here have sais cwi calves very wild

Il second that .
I used Castleview Casino on a couple this year hoping for replacements . also used P.G's OZS .

A Rocky maiden calved down a lovely CWI heifer calf 3 weeks ago .
The calf is totally mad , cant get near her in the field whatsoever .
Dehorned 4 calves on saturday , her being one , and she balled the shed down the second i caught her to put her in the crate , hadnt even put the dehorner near her at this stage .. Had literaly only made contact with her and she roared like she was in pain ..
This is the first i heard of CWI bringing wild progeny . Hope the other few dont follow suit

saranac1

Richk2012 wrote: »

Il second that .
I used Castleview Casino on a couple this year hoping for replacements . also used P.G's OZS .

A Rocky maiden calved down a lovely CWI heifer calf 3 weeks ago .
The calf is totally mad , cant get near her in the field whatsoever .
Dehorned 4 calves on saturday , her being one , and she balled the shed down the second i caught her to put her in the crate , hadnt even put the dehorner near her at this stage .. Had literaly only made contact with her and she roared like she was in pain ..
This is the first i heard of CWI bringing wild progeny . Hope the other few dont follow suit

Sorry but what is castle view casino

vanderbadger

saranac1 wrote: »

Sorry but what is castle view casino

he is a bull

keep going

going to stick my neck way out here but there was a new moon on the 15th and the weather has a settled look to it so i forcast a goodish month ahead.heres hoping:)

Bizzum

Made a corporate decision today that will have an interesting outcome (i'm sure!).
The current PB Charolais bull we have has not shaped up as well as we would have liked (he's 22mths old now) so he's for the road. His replacement is.................. A Xbred bull. This Xbred bull is very well bred though and is a super looking animal. He is Lim (50%), BA (25%), CH (25%). All AI breeding from a very good PB Charolais heifer we had.

Interesting times ahead;)

adne

Bizzum wrote: »

Made a corporate decision today that will have an interesting outcome (i'm sure!).
The current PB Charolais bull we have has not shaped up as well as we would have liked (he's 22mths old now) so he's for the road. His replacement is.................. A Xbred bull. This Xbred bull is very well bred though and is a super looking animal. He is Lim (50%), BA (50%), CH (50%). All AI breeding from a very good PB Charolais heifer we had.

Interesting times ahead;)

Sure are if you have a 150 % bull

wesleysniper38

Yeah you could be right. Forecast for next few days isnt half bad!

On subject of wild calves: I had a plain quiet cow calve a black lim bull calf in May. At 1 hour old he was bawling and tryin to jump through the gate when I came near him. Stone mad. I tagged him and let them out straight away anyway. Could never get him in to dehorn him. When all the others would be gathered he'd take off to the far end of a 20acre block of fields and wouldn't even follow his mother.
Eventually at 3 months old he came into the shed. Horns were now too big for the gas so I didnt bother about them. Gave him an injection of levacide and let all out again. He stood in the corner and stayed there. When I went in to put him out he attacked me, Mad little bastard :mad:

Bizzum

adne wrote: »

Sure are if you have a 150 % bull

:D We're expecting every cow to have twins:D:D

bob charles

againstthetide wrote: »

After being off the farm for 5 years, I am making a bit of a return to an agriculture related company.

http://www.bourgault.com/ manufacturers of quite large seed drills.
IN the interview I told em we used to have a five foot disk harrow, I think that swung it for me!

covering Europe or further afield? Never saw one working in the flesh, just looking shiny at shows. bit of an international job me thinks, best of luck

againstthetide

bob charles wrote: »

covering Europe or further afield? Never saw one working in the flesh, just looking shiny at shows. bit of an international job me thinks, best of luck

Will be working in the head office in saskatchewan looking after their IT systems and computer controlleled cutters and welders.
I'll get you a few videos during spring planting!

pakalasa

Richk2012 wrote: »

Il second that .
I used Castleview Casino on a couple this year hoping for replacements . also used P.G's OZS .

A Rocky maiden calved down a lovely CWI heifer calf 3 weeks ago .
The calf is totally mad , cant get near her in the field whatsoever .
Dehorned 4 calves on saturday , her being one , and she balled the shed down the second i caught her to put her in the crate , hadnt even put the dehorner near her at this stage .. Had literaly only made contact with her and she roared like she was in pain ..
This is the first i heard of CWI bringing wild progeny . Hope the other few dont follow suit

Breeding is funny. CWI sire Otan has 5* for docility with high reliability, so CWI must be bringing it from the mother's side. She has 1 1/2 stars for docility. She's the well known G7 cow.

Qualitymark

Darina Allen visits Michelle O'Bama's vegetable garden: http://www.irishexaminer.com/lifestyle/foodanddrink/darinaallen/broad-bean-mint-and-ricotta-bruschetta-210567.html

reilig

Bizzum wrote: »

Made a corporate decision today that will have an interesting outcome (i'm sure!).
The current PB Charolais bull we have has not shaped up as well as we would have liked (he's 22mths old now) so he's for the road. His replacement is.................. A Xbred bull. This Xbred bull is very well bred though and is a super looking animal. He is Lim (50%), BA (25%), CH (25%). All AI breeding from a very good PB Charolais heifer we had.

Interesting times ahead;)

I hope he's lucky for you.

I believe the biggest problem with cross bred bulls is consistency. One cow could have a nice handy calf and the next could need a section. One could bring shapely calfs and the next poor quality. Inconsistency is often a problem with Docility too - of the bull himself and of the calves. I think the more crosses in the mix, the more there is a chance of inconsistency?

Have often thought about crossing an easy calving BB with an easy calving pedigree cow to see what result I might get and to see if he would be suitable for breeding.

But I suppose, when you look at it, don't we take the same gamble with a pedigree bull all the time too. He could be better than any pedigree bull.

One question, if he's off a PB CH Heifer, is he not 50% CH? I assume his sire is a Lim x BA?

bbam

reilig wrote: »

I hope he's lucky for you.

I believe the biggest problem with cross bred bulls is consistency. One cow could have a nice handy calf and the next could need a section. One could bring shapely calfs and the next poor quality. Inconsistency is often a problem with Docility too - of the bull himself and of the calves. I think the more crosses in the mix, the more there is a chance of inconsistency?

Have often thought about crossing an easy calving BB with an easy calving pedigree cow to see what result I might get and to see if he would be suitable for breeding.

But I suppose, when you look at it, don't we take the same gamble with a pedigree bull all the time too. He could be better than any pedigree bull.

One question, if he's off a PB CH Heifer, is he not 50% CH? I assume his sire is a Lim x BA?

Its interesting trvelling through europe you don't seem to see many cross breed herds of beef cattle at all.. I'd guess that here in Ireland 80%+ of herds are cross bred where in europe it seems to be the very reverse..