Farming Chit Chat

hugo29

reilig, they must not have been there the last time i was there

freedominacup

Are all ye suckler boys in for the evening or are ye posting on the smartphones. Just off out to do the milking after the homework.:(

hugo29

on the computer at work

Black Smoke

freedominacup wrote: »

Are all ye suckler boys in for the evening or are ye posting on the smartphones. Just off out to do the milking after the homework.:(

At work. Will get home at 6.30pm. Have the spuds and then it's off to the sheds, to do the feeding. Usually back in home around eight.
Up at 5.45am. Gone to work bt 7.15. Cattle taken care of in the meantime.

No rest for the wickid:eek:

Tipp Man

freedominacup wrote: »

Are all ye suckler boys in for the evening or are ye posting on the smartphones. Just off out to do the milking after the homework.:(

Time to be drying off those cows i'd say;)

freedominacup

Tipp Man wrote: »

Time to be drying off those cows i'd say;)

You could be right for once.:D

johnpawl

What breed cows are they out of?

tismesoitis wrote: »

Well lads and lassies. in carnaross last night and tbh not a great night at d office at all!! was hoping for 2.40 -2.50 avg ended up just over 2.25:(.cattle weighed well the same. 1st lad stq bb born 27.12.11 520 kgs €1200 next lry pt born 22.2.12( was at ploughing) 445kgs €1075. 3rd lad lry pt born 27.2.12 460kgs €1060. 4th lad kyr bb born 10.1.12 490kgs €1075 and finally a poor lim x by stock bull we were thinking of keeping as teaser 440kgs €920.
overall a poor sale guy from tlt (garravalli) only going as far as 2.50 on the very best of bb cattle juniors reiligs and leg's type of stock.

adne

tismesoitis wrote: »

in fairness the same type of weanling at 100 kgs lighter was making the same per kg as these lads on tuesday night. for the last month they were averaging 1.62kgs per day gain with meal and silage costs of €1.48 per day that left us making over €2 per head clear profit each day over the last month. So my thought is not that they were "pushed too far" but maybe i should have kept them longer and aim for more weight. normally i see cattle at 350kgs averaging more per kg than 500kg+ cattle but not so the other night. Thoughts welcome!!

Your opinion. There all dec/jan and feb calves. I think you would have more market options to sell these cattle at circa 400 kgs.
There not good enough for the boat and by pushing them so far their only suitable now for bull beef plus it's obvious they have a lot of meal eaten.

johnpawl

adne wrote: »

Your opinion. There all dec/jan and feb calves. I think you would have more market options to sell these cattle at circa 400 kgs.
There not good enough for the boat and by pushing them so far their only suitable now for bull beef plus it's obvious they have a lot of meal eaten.

would that carlo calf 2nd picture not be good enough for the boat??

whelan1

aaaaaaaarrrrrrrrrgggggggggggggggggghhhhhhhhhhhhhhh:mad: just had a major run in with the bullys mother, need a glass of wine ... dont think we wil ever speak again:)

moy83

Hope you won !

whelan1

moy83 wrote: »

Hope you won !

she hung up:D had it ready in my head what to say, truth hurts some people

moy83

Fair play to you . I dont know whats wrong with some people . If one of my kids were bullying another child I try and sort it rapid , do they know what these spoilt kids will end up like if they are not disiplined now ?

whelan1

moy83 wrote: »

Fair play to you . I dont know whats wrong with some people . If one of my kids were bullying another child I try and sort it rapid , do they know what these spoilt kids will end up like if they are not disiplined now ?

thats what i said, he should have been disiplined 6 or 7 years ago, i mentioned other cases of other kids where he had been in trouble also, also mentioned i am only dealing through school or through the guards if it continues anymorel .... jeez i hate this crap

bogman_bass

adne wrote: »

Your opinion. There all dec/jan and feb calves. I think you would have more market options to sell these cattle at circa 400 kgs.
There not good enough for the boat and by pushing them so far their only suitable now for bull beef plus it's obvious they have a lot of meal eaten.

the fact of the mater is that he got over €1000 each for calves between 11 and 9 months old. Price per kilo is irrelivent to a certain degree IMO. its the size of the cheque in your arse pocket minus your costs that matters. weather thats through higher weight or higher price per kilo doesnt matter one bit

tanko

bogman_bass wrote: »

the fact of the mater is that he got over €1000 each for calves between 11 and 9 months old. Price per kilo is irrelivent to a certain degree IMO. its the size of the cheque in your arse pocket minus your costs that matters. weather thats through higher weight or higher price per kilo doesnt matter one bit

Can anyone give a guess as to how many euros of meal those calves have eaten?

freedominacup

whelan1 wrote: »

aaaaaaaarrrrrrrrrgggggggggggggggggghhhhhhhhhhhhhhh:mad: just had a major run in with the bullys mother, need a glass of wine ... dont think we wil ever speak again:)

Fup her

whelan1

freedominacup wrote: »

Fup her

yup...........

gozunda

whelan1 wrote: »

thats what i said, he should have been disiplined 6 or 7 years ago, i mentioned other cases of other kids where he had been in trouble also, also mentioned i am only dealing through school or through the guards if it continues anymorel .... jeez i hate this crap

It is about time that behaviour such as psychological assault
otherwise known as bullying be made a criminal offence similar to that of physical assault. It would make the whole issue much easier to deal with and those that do so might think twice.

The Donegal garda alledgedly said that they couldn't do anything unless the bullies involved in that case had actually assaulted the victim. About time this was changed imo

whelan1

gozunda wrote: »

It is about time that behaviour such as psychological assault
otherwise known as bullying be made a criminal offence similar to that of physical assault. It would make the whole issue much easier to deal with and those that do so might think twice.

The Donegal garda alledgedly said that they couldn't do anything unless the bullies involved in that case actually had actually assaulted the victim. About time this was changed imo

i would have full backing from at least 3 other parents if i went to the guards.... i assume she will be straight to principal in the morning and i will get a call later in the day from school:rolleyes: so will get my speech ready, principal is very good, think i hit a nerve with other mother this evening

tismesoitis

adne wrote: »

Your opinion. There all dec/jan and feb calves. I think you would have more market options to sell these cattle at circa 400 kgs.
There not good enough for the boat and by pushing them so far their only suitable now for bull beef plus it's obvious they have a lot of meal eaten.

U have no idea!!!! they have eaten +or- 70 euro worth of meal....not overfed!! maybe there would be more market options at €400kgs BUT the PROFIT would be less!!!!!

johnpawl

bogman_bass wrote: »

the fact of the mater is that he got over €1000 each for calves between 11 and 9 months old. Price per kilo is irrelivent to a certain degree IMO. its the size of the cheque in your arse pocket minus your costs that matters. weather thats through higher weight or higher price per kilo doesnt matter one bit

I'd be an advocate of this theory myself, it's money is the aim.

reilig

bogman_bass wrote: »

the fact of the mater is that he got over €1000 each for calves between 11 and 9 months old. Price per kilo is irrelivent to a certain degree IMO. its the size of the cheque in your arse pocket minus your costs that matters. weather thats through higher weight or higher price per kilo doesnt matter one bit

Nail on the head there!

Too many people forget that they have to feed a cow 365 days per year with grass or silage in order to breed 1 calf per year. Its rarely to the fore of people's minds when they talk about profit from weinlings!!

adne

tismesoitis wrote: »

U have no idea!!!! they have eaten +or- 70 euro worth of meal....not overfed!! maybe there would be more market options at €400kgs BUT the PROFIT would be less!!!!!

Lol I sense I have touched a nerve!!


If you sold these animals at 2.70 a kilo (which was/is well achievable for a weanling in the 350 to 400 kg range) you would receive 1080 now add your costs of keeping them the extra 8 weeks plus account for manpower and shed space/land utilised.

My opinion but I think you would be better off.

adne

bogman_bass wrote: »

the fact of the mater is that he got over €1000 each for calves between 11 and 9 months old. Price per kilo is irrelivent to a certain degree IMO. its the size of the cheque in your arse pocket minus your costs that matters. weather thats through higher weight or higher price per kilo doesnt matter one bit

The fact of the matter is he could have got €1000 each for 8 and 9 month old weanlings, Price per weanling age in months is the key IMO - accounting for inputs of course.

tismesoitis

adne wrote: »

Lol I sense I have touched a nerve!!


If you sold these animals at 2.70 a kilo (which was/is well achievable for a weanling in the 350 to 400 kg range) you would receive 1080 now add your costs of keeping them the extra 8 weeks plus account for manpower and shed space/land utilised.

My opinion but I think you would be better off.

No nerve touched at all but just to repeat myself...
Do U not understand what i mean when i say these cattle were leaving a profit of at least €2 per day at the time of sale and also when i say no animal not even the best blues at 350kgs were making 2.70 per kg. All i'l say is its ur opinion but it really makes no sense to me. As i was saying earlier i think with these not so shapey borderline shipping weanlings the heavier the better!!

Pat the lad

tismesoitis wrote: »

U have no idea!!!! they have eaten +or- 70 euro worth of meal....not overfed!! maybe there would be more market options at €400kgs BUT the PROFIT would be less!!!!!

hi tismesoitis

well done. very decent cattle there as reflected in your prices especialy in what has been a very tough year. good weights considering the poor grass year too. cows must have a nice bit of milk.

some people on here are being very judgemental of your cattle, which is very unfair.

fair play to you for posting pic and prices.
well done

adne

tismesoitis wrote: »

No nerve touched at all but just to repeat myself...
Do U not understand what i mean when i say these cattle were leaving a profit of at least €2 per day at the time of sale and also when i say no animal not even the best blues at 350kgs were making 2.70 per kg. All i'l say is its ur opinion but it really makes no sense to me. As i was saying earlier i think with these not so shapey borderline shipping weanlings the heavier the better!!

Oh yes I understand what your saying, but that is where i disagree. If that was your mind set why not hold them another month and then based on your logic they would leave more profit :P

You see based on that logic if you sold them 8 weeks earlier you could boast that these weanlings were leaving €3 per day!!!

My theory accounts for time be that days/months but in the same vein as selling shares a seller needs to know the optimum time to cash in and that is in my opinion something you don't understand.

adne

Pat the lad wrote: »

hi tismesoitis

well done. very decent cattle there as reflected in your prices especialy in what has been a very tough year. good weights considering the poor grass year too. cows must have a nice bit of milk.

some people on here are being very judgemental of your cattle, which is very unfair.

fair play to you for posting pic and prices.
well done

Don't get me wrong lads, good prices, fair play but every man should be open to opinions on how to further progress....

tismesoitis

adne wrote: »

Oh yes I understand what your saying, but that is where i disagree. If that was your mind set why not hold them another month and then based on your logic they would leave more profit :P

You see based on that logic if you sold them 8 weeks earlier you could boast that these weanlings were leaving €3 per day!!!

My theory accounts for time be that days/months but in the same vein as selling shares a seller needs to know the optimum time to cash in and that is in my opinion something you don't understand.

FFS.....

tismesoitis

johnpawl wrote: »

What breed cows are they out of?

All black lim x hol/fr except the oldest b+w STQ he outa simxfr johnpawl. could not really expect much better conformation with this back breeding. solid cows doin a job til numbers are up to where we want to be then we can cull on quality

leg wax

Pat the lad wrote: »

hi tismesoitis

well done. very decent cattle there as reflected in your prices especialy in what has been a very tough year. good weights considering the poor grass year too. cows must have a nice bit of milk.

some people on here are being very judgemental of your cattle, which is very unfair.

fair play to you for posting pic and prices.
well done

i would like to thank pat for the above post as he got there before me , tis has put up his cattle here after i asked him to do and his prices and has told everyone his feeding rates and thought process in doing so,everyone has their own way of doing things and this is tis;s way ,adne can you put up some pics up of your stock with the weights and prices and we can see your point.

johnpawl

tismesoitis wrote: »

All black lim x hol/fr except the oldest b+w STQ he outa simxfr johnpawl. could not really expect much better conformation with this back breeding. solid cows doin a job til numbers are up to where we want to be then we can cull on quality

Fek you're culling black lim x fr and that's what I have coming up. Putting part on them too, I know they might lose a bit in conformation but they have milk. If they have heifers then I'll keep those. Had you any heifers off lry? they look like quality cattle to me

just do it

tismesoitis wrote: »

Well lads and lassies. in carnaross last night and tbh not a great night at d office at all!! was hoping for 2.40 -2.50 avg ended up just over 2.25:(.cattle weighed well the same. 1st lad stq bb born 27.12.11 520 kgs €1200 next lry pt born 22.2.12( was at ploughing) 445kgs €1075. 3rd lad lry pt born 27.2.12 460kgs €1060. 4th lad kyr bb born 10.1.12 490kgs €1075 and finally a poor lim x by stock bull we were thinking of keeping as teaser 440kgs €920.
overall a poor sale guy from tlt (garravalli) only going as far as 2.50 on the very best of bb cattle juniors reiligs and leg's type of stock.

Sounds like there was only the one buyer there interested. That seems to be an issue with specialist stock.

Out of interest whilst they made weights I'm still currently only dreaming of, do you think they're back a bit because of the bad year?

I'm guessing like reilig, you've a lot of meal put into them which takes the shine off the >€1,000/hd

just do it

tismesoitis wrote: »

they have eaten +or- 70 euro worth of meal....not overfed!!

Glad to here that tisme, I was assuming they'd well over €100, if not closer to €200 of meal eaten. So the weight gain has been through milk and grass, and a bit of good breeding of course;).

adne

leg wax wrote: »

i would like to thank pat for the above post as he got there before me , tis has put up his cattle here after i asked him to do and his prices and has told everyone his feeding rates and thought process in doing so,everyone has their own way of doing things and this is tis;s way ,adne can you put up some pics up of your stock with the weights and prices and we can see your point.

Can't put up pics as I sold all weanlings in early sept. next year hopefully.
Aside from that I'm not picking holes, as I stated these are good prices and fair play tismosoitis, I merely expressing my views and giving suggestions IMO how these can be improved upon, after all I thought this was a forum to share ones views.

After all we live in a progressive world, no one can rest on their laurels.

just do it

tismesoitis wrote: »

All black lim x hol/fr except the oldest b+w STQ he outa simxfr johnpawl. could not really expect much better conformation with this back breeding. solid cows doin a job til numbers are up to where we want to be then we can cull on quality

As others have said I really appreciate the pics and details of your cattle sold. It's not often you get the whole lot together including the breeding.

I'm interested that you're breeding these cows to BB. Are you hoping for breeding heifers out of them, rather than breeding them to produce export quality weanlings? I bought a few FRx cows this year (LMx2 and AAx2) and I'm thinking of giving them a CH to produce weanlings for the Irish market is the best choice.

tismesoitis

just do it wrote: »

As others have said I really appreciate the pics and details of your cattle sold. It's not often you get the whole lot together including the breeding.

I'm interested that you're breeding these cows to BB. Are you hoping for breeding heifers out of them, rather than breeding them to produce export quality weanlings? I bought a few FRx cows this year (LMx2 and AAx2) and I'm thinking of giving them a CH to produce weanlings for the Irish market is the best choice.

ye just do it learning as i go none of these cows will be getting bb again especially the simmentals. all back incalf to part or lim for replacements. sticking bb on cows with at least 2 generation beef breeding in them in other words daughters of these ladies.

towzer2010

just do it wrote: »

I bought a few FRx cows this year (LMx2 and AAx2) and I'm thinking of giving them a CH to produce weanlings for the Irish market is the best choice.

I have two lmx cows from fr cows and I gave them both ch this year. Calves are good but a dirty brown colour and probably won't sell as we'll because if it.

Tipp Man

freedominacup wrote: »

You could be right for once.:D

First time for everything

johnpawl

just do it wrote: »

As others have said I really appreciate the pics and details of your cattle sold. It's not often you get the whole lot together including the breeding.

I'm interested that you're breeding these cows to BB. Are you hoping for breeding heifers out of them, rather than breeding them to produce export quality weanlings? I bought a few FRx cows this year (LMx2 and AAx2) and I'm thinking of giving them a CH to produce weanlings for the Irish market is the best choice.

So you'll have something like myself off the aa

just do it

tismesoitis wrote: »

ye just do it learning as i go

And just when we've it figured out it will be time to pass it on to the next generation who'll roll their eyes at our hard earned words of wisdom !

johnpawl

tismesoitis wrote: »

ye just do it learning as i go none of these cows will be getting bb again especially the simmentals. all back incalf to part or lim for replacements. sticking bb on cows with at least 2 generation beef breeding in them in other words daughters of these ladies.

So you'll be putting bb on the parts?

just do it

towzer2010 wrote: »

I have two lmx cows from fr cows and I gave them both ch this year. Calves are good but a dirty brown colour and probably won't sell as we'll because if it.

That's disappointing, make sure to report when you do sell. What are you giving them now instead?

just do it

johnpawl wrote: »

So you'll have something like myself off the aa

Nice heifer jp, will you breed her?

johnpawl

just do it wrote: »

Nice heifer jp, will you breed her?

Ya, she's about 16 months in the picture. She'll be getting an easy calving part next month. All the calves I had ch from AA came that colour or yellow and made great weanlings.
Was at a munster AI demonstration where they maintained if you had a milky cow and put a bull on her with no milk in his pedigree the daughter would have no milk so waiting to see. Thats the mother beside her.
Buying a couple more AA x fr next year to put a ch on

tismesoitis

johnpawl wrote: »

So you'll be putting bb on the parts?

thats d plan....what u think?

pakalasa

Parth heifers for sale in Westmeath;
http://www.donedeal.ie/for-sale/beefcattle/4163459

freedominacup

pakalasa wrote: »

Parth heifers for sale in Westmeath;
http://www.donedeal.ie/for-sale/beefcattle/4163459

Any percentage in a dairy farmer using a few of these parth straws. Is there a premium for them compared to ch/lim/bb. Would there be much market for bulling weight fr x parth heifers?

towzer2010

just do it wrote: »

That's disappointing, make sure to report when you do sell. What are you giving them now instead?

They are both heifers so I'm going to keep them for cows. They should have loads of milk and that bit more shape to transfer to the calf.... Well that's the hope anyway. I'll give them a LM first and see how they go.

I gave both of the mothers the LM bull MBP this year so I'll see what they turn out like. BB should be good off them as well I think.