Farming Chit Chat

reilig

lakill Farm wrote: »

Where would i get stockholm tar? i would never had a need for it before so it will be a purchase item :rolleyes:

Veterinary shop in Mullingar should have it or any place that has supplies for horses in your area.

lakill Farm

Cheers Reilig, ill get the OH to pop in that way later

reilig wrote: »

Veterinary shop in Mullingar should have it or any place that has supplies for horses in your area.

just do it

pakalasa wrote: »

Bizzum wrote: »

I've seen this too. Indeed I've seen the veil over a calf so tough that it's difficult to break by hand.
I've often wondered how long a calf would last, and came to the conclusion: Not very long!

I wonder is it down to it being a very easy calving. The cow doesn't push enough to break the blister. She never even stood up after the blister appeared until she had him out.

Could be down to the hypocalcemia. Calcium helps muscles do their contracting. If she's a bit weak at calving the calf "slips out" rather than being forced out, thus the membranes aren't put under any pressure and don't burst.

lakill Farm

I got the offer of a tin or a spray can of stockhom tar. Thanks again

lakill Farm wrote: »

Where would i get stockholm tar? i would never had a need for it before so it will be a purchase item :rolleyes:

stanflt

i have a cow down with milk fever since sunday morning. i have tried everything. shes getting 4bottles a day into the vein (plus more under skin on sunday), ive given her 20cc phosporus yesterday and today and i gave her a bottle of mag yesterday. she is eating and drinking and has passed her cleanings. she is getting chanadol twice daily with 40lt water and ive given her pen strep for a temp.

now how long have you seen a cow down before she gets up. dont want to lose this cow as she was an ex90 oman as a 3year old

redzerologhlen

Bought a box of kamar heat detectors in the co-op today for the heifers I'm going to ai, anyone ever use them?

stanflt

redzerologhlen wrote: »

Bought a box of kamar heat detectors in the co-op today for the heifers I'm going to ai, anyone ever use them?

estrumate at 1cc per heifer works out cheaper-and more effecient

whelan1

stanflt wrote: »

estrumate at 1cc per heifer works out cheaper-and more effecient

even cheaper if you use prosolven (sp) instead of estrumate:)

redzerologhlen

Heifers away from home so handy to catch them. If I gave them estrumate or prosolven now and didn't bull them on the first cycle would they still come together on the second cycle, I heard before that conception rates can be poor on the first cycle after synchronisation.

stanflt

redzerologhlen wrote: »

Heifers away from home so handy to catch them. If I gave them estrumate or prosolven now and didn't bull them on the first cycle would they still come together on the second cycle, I heard before that conception rates can be poor on the first cycle after synchronisation.

results show 49% on control and 53% on synch-morepark 2010 so in correct info

redzerologhlen

stanflt wrote: »

redzerologhlen wrote: »

Heifers away from home so handy to catch them. If I gave them estrumate or prosolven now and didn't bull them on the first cycle would they still come together on the second cycle, I heard before that conception rates can be poor on the first cycle after synchronisation.

results show 49% on control and 53% on synch-morepark 2010 so in correct info

Oh right stan, always did them as they came before. How long after injecting would they be at standing heat?

stanflt

redzerologhlen wrote: »

Oh right stan, always did them as they came before. How long after injecting would they be at standing heat?

3-4days usually

whelan1

stanflt wrote: »

i have a cow down with milk fever since sunday morning. i have tried everything. shes getting 4bottles a day into the vein (plus more under skin on sunday), ive given her 20cc phosporus yesterday and today and i gave her a bottle of mag yesterday. she is eating and drinking and has passed her cleanings. she is getting chanadol twice daily with 40lt water and ive given her pen strep for a temp.

now how long have you seen a cow down before she gets up. dont want to lose this cow as she was an ex90 oman as a 3year old

did you try lifting her to see if she has a hurt? strange that milkfever is lasting that long... did you give her that ymcp stuff? is she grinding her teeth(sign of milk fever ) or does she have a swan neck?

JOAT

stanflt wrote: »

i have a cow down with milk fever since sunday morning. i have tried everything. shes getting 4bottles a day into the vein (plus more under skin on sunday), ive given her 20cc phosporus yesterday and today and i gave her a bottle of mag yesterday. she is eating and drinking and has passed her cleanings. she is getting chanadol twice daily with 40lt water and ive given her pen strep for a temp.

now how long have you seen a cow down before she gets up. dont want to lose this cow as she was an ex90 oman as a 3year old

Had a cow down last year last year for nearly 3 weeks. She was crawling around the field to get herself grass but couldn't get up on her back legs. We were lifting her for nearly ten days until we got fed up of it. We were about to put her down until we saw her walking around the field!!! Recovered fully and fattened her up. Doubt many cows would last that long though but put a new perspective on what we thought was the longest a cow could stay down for and recover.

whelan1

neighbour got the lend of our lifter a while ago , he lifted the cow for 15 days and then she stood herself, he has some patience;)

Bodacious

lakill Farm wrote: »

Where would i get stockholm tar? i would never had a need for it before so it will be a purchase item :rolleyes:

Great stuff.. have a small paint brush in it and lob it onto the calves after disbudding i feel it soothes/cools them better than the sprays!

Good loser

whelan1 wrote: »

well the aga heats the water if thats what you mean..really missed it this morning, house was freezing when i came down, it works off kerosene

My sister's boiler in the Aga clogged last year and was gurgling - she got it removed on advice.

vanderbadger

redzerologhlen wrote: »

Bought a box of kamar heat detectors in the co-op today for the heifers I'm going to ai, anyone ever use them?

ya used them, they are a help anyway i found. wear a pair of gloves when you are putting the glue on the back of them is messy feckin stuff

vanderbadger

anyone notice BBQ is gone from 2012 dovea catalogue, ai man was saying he is gone whatever happened him, still a young bull. used him a few times, kinda mixed results

leg wax

vanderbadger wrote: »

anyone notice BBQ is gone from 2012 dovea catalogue, ai man was saying he is gone whatever happened him, still a young bull. used him a few times, kinda mixed results

he went infertile if you have straws left they will buy them back at profit.

Muckit

vanderbadger wrote: »

ya used them, they are a help anyway i found. wear a pair of gloves when you are putting the glue on the back of them is messy feckin stuff

+1. I bought a box of the 'checkmate' bubble type patches last year. They have an expiry date and unless you use all within the time (ie all in the one season), the stickyness goes off them. Some places will sell them singly, which I would recommend if you have small numbers.

I use Evo contact adhesive when tackiness goes off them and it works well. Wearing disposable gloves is a good idea.

Incidently, I found the evo adhesive to turn to jelly in the metal pot if it's left out in a shed and the frost gets it.

bogman_bass

vanderbadger wrote: »

anyone notice BBQ is gone from 2012 dovea catalogue, ai man was saying he is gone whatever happened him, still a young bull. used him a few times, kinda mixed results

The blue just dont last unfortunatly

Muckit

bogman_bass wrote: »

The blue just dont last unfortunatly

Do they go infertile after a while?? I wouldn't know much about them.

The charolais society seem to be saying that alot of new buyers who would have had BB stock bulls are coming back replacing them with charolais! They would say that though!!!

bogman_bass

they tend to be bad on the feet and when a bull goes lame it has a huge impact on fertility. That and he simply wont jump.

Personally I wouldnt get a blue stock bull. They are to heavy at the back which makes them unballenced and they can fall back on themselves when they mount a cow. The fact that they're short doesnt help either.

Of all the breeds I would say blues are most suited for AI use instead of natural service

redzerologhlen

Just got a letter out in the post telling us our herd is restricted. Said we bought a cow that hadn't been blood tested, I checked the card and she was moved on the 59th day of test, rang the man we bought the cow off and he got a letter threatening to suspend his sfp. Can't figure out how this came about because everything had been done above board :mad:

Kovu

redzerologhlen wrote: »

Just got a letter out in the post telling us our herd is restricted. Said we bought a cow that hadn't been blood tested, I checked the card and she was moved on the 59th day of test, rang the man we bought the cow off and he got a letter threatening to suspend his sfp. Can't figure out how this came about because everything had been done above board :mad:

But was that the day she was moved onto the farm or was it the day the movement went through? Private sales can take a while to be processed and even in marts the AIM may not be closed for a couple of days.

johngalway

Just looking at some Lidl offers there, and they have rhododendrons for sale :eek:

Bloody things, if people went to parts of Connemara and South Mayo they could have all the rhododendrons they wanted for free!

leg wax

just back from loading cows with heifer calves and bringing then over the road to 25 acres, on my last load got back to field with calves to find the cow that i had at ploughing dead in middle of the field.:mad::(:eek:

just do it

redzerologhlen wrote: »

Bought a box of kamar heat detectors in the co-op today for the heifers I'm going to ai, anyone ever use them?

They're an aid alright, but I'd say the more you can observe them the better. I used them but not with great success. I've a vasectomised bill now and he's a far better job. I don't have the time to watch them closely enough.

The one tip I'd give is don't rush in and ai them too early. The bull tends to start picking them up a day or two before they're standing. Even when they are standing I'm inclined to ai them closer to 24 hours later rather than 12 hours later.

Best of luck!

reilig

leg wax wrote: »

just back from loading cows with heifer calves and bringing then over the road to 25 acres, on my last load got back to field with calves to find the cow that i had at ploughing dead in middle of the field.:mad::(:eek:

That's tough man. Sorry to hear that!
Its always the best ones that are hardest to keep!

Finno59

stanflt wrote: »

i have a cow down with milk fever since sunday morning. i have tried everything. shes getting 4bottles a day into the vein (plus more under skin on sunday), ive given her 20cc phosporus yesterday and today and i gave her a bottle of mag yesterday. she is eating and drinking and has passed her cleanings. she is getting chanadol twice daily with 40lt water and ive given her pen strep for a temp.

now how long have you seen a cow down before she gets up. dont want to lose this cow as she was an ex90 oman as a 3year old

If she's inside she could be down for up to 3 weeks. Its not milk fever, it's paralysis, get her out the field and she'l get up herself.

reilig

whelan1 wrote: »

even cheaper if you use prosolven (sp) instead of estrumate:)

Whelan1, Whats the story with Estrumate or Prosolven? Does it have any impact on the animal?

I have a pedigree heifer that I just can't get in heat. Its time for her to get a straw. Would this work for her?

Do you get it from your vet? Is it prescription only?

vanderbadger

leg wax wrote: »

just back from loading cows with heifer calves and bringing then over the road to 25 acres, on my last load got back to field with calves to find the cow that i had at ploughing dead in middle of the field.:mad::(:eek:

oh balls, sorry to hear that

Kovu

just do it wrote: »

They're an aid alright, but I'd say the more you can observe them the better. I used them but not with great success. I've a vasectomised bill now and he's a far better job. I don't have the time to watch them closely enough.

Best of luck!

Poor old Bill.

just do it

Karen112 wrote: »

Poor old Bill.

That's too good a mistake to correct!

redzerologhlen

Karen112 wrote: »

redzerologhlen wrote: »

Just got a letter out in the post telling us our herd is restricted. Said we bought a cow that hadn't been blood tested, I checked the card and she was moved on the 59th day of test, rang the man we bought the cow off and he got a letter threatening to suspend his sfp. Can't figure out how this came about because everything had been done above board :mad:

But was that the day she was moved onto the farm or was it the day the movement went through? Private sales can take a while to be processed and even in marts the AIM may not be closed for a couple of days.

The auld lad went to meet your man and turns out the movement date he had put on the back of the card was different to the one on the permit and she was moved on the 61st day, why he didn't do the paperwork in time I don't know because we bought the cow off him before she was tested and he spent years dealing in cattle, hopefully it can be sorted tho because it's a balls putting heavy incalf cows up a crush.

Muckit

leg wax wrote: »

just back from loading cows with heifer calves and bringing then over the road to 25 acres, on my last load got back to field with calves to find the cow that i had at ploughing dead in middle of the field.:mad::(:eek:

What a balls. Have you any suspicion as to what it was? What age is the calf on her?

Kovu

leg wax wrote: »

just back from loading cows with heifer calves and bringing then over the road to 25 acres, on my last load got back to field with calves to find the cow that i had at ploughing dead in middle of the field.:mad::(:eek:

:eek: Sorry to heat that legwax, will you have a PM done on her?

redzerologhlen wrote: »

The auld lad went to meet your man and turns out the movement date he had put on the back of the card was different to the one on the permit and she was moved on the 61st day, why he didn't do the paperwork in time I don't know because we bought the cow off him before she was tested and he spent years dealing in cattle, hopefully it can be sorted tho because it's a balls putting heavy incalf cows up a crush.

Well that's a tad annoying for ye isn't it:pac:

leg wax

Muckit wrote: »

What a balls. Have you any suspicion as to what it was? What age is the calf on her?

dont have a clue ,i presume heart attack,july calf i think.

leg wax

Karen112 wrote: »

:eek: Sorry to heat that legwax, will you have a PM done on her? no shes gone,i dont see the point as she was perfect at loading and when been brought into pen to load.

whelan1

all the more reason to get a pm done. especially as she was a real good cow, at least you would have a reason, even just ask the knackery lads to have a look at her to see if there was anything different ...

bbam

Jesus leg wax that's a bummer OK...

@ whelan1... would the lads in the knackery have an idea?? NEver thought of doing that in the past...

Kovu

bbam wrote: »

Jesus leg wax that's a bummer OK...

@ whelan1... would the lads in the knackery have an idea?? NEver thought of doing that in the past...

We got them to check a cow for us once, bit of an easier problem that time though when they found a four inch piece of wire in her.
If she had a heart attack I wonder if the heart would be any different looing than that of a healthy cow.

whelan1

they are opening animals every day, have often asked them to have a look and they come back to me- unless they are making it up:rolleyes: cheaper than getting the vet to pm... it would annoy me not to know what an animal died of as i would be hopeful that i would learn from it and prevent another one... but each to their own

stanflt

Finno59 wrote: »

If she's inside she could be down for up to 3 weeks. Its not milk fever, it's paralysis, get her out the field and she'l get up herself.

how do you cure paralysis- she out since sunday- lifted her today, she stood for 10mins

whelan1

stanflt wrote: »

how do you cure paralysis- she out since sunday- lifted her today, she stood for 10mins

is she putting weight on all legs?

stanflt

whelan1 wrote: »

is she putting weight on all legs?

on front two shes grand but cant really support back legs

whelan1

lift her a few times tomorrow she might have pins and needles in the back legs, try to get the circulation going..... time consuming, also might be an idea to tie a rope on her back legs so she doesnt do the splits, good luck with her

vanderbadger

leg wax wrote: »

Karen112 wrote: »

:eek: Sorry to heat that legwax, will you have a PM done on her? no shes gone,i dont see the point as she was perfect at loading and when been brought into pen to load.

had one drop dead in field a few years back, auld lad thought the same as yourself at the time right or wrong, heart attack. its nearly bound to be if she was perfect up till then

pakalasa

You'd wonder if you'd be better off getting rid of cows when they get to a certain age regardless of how good or bad they are. Older cows tend to get sicker more often. I know some of the well known suckler farmers, in the Journal and that, have a policy of doing this.