Galway GAA discussion thread

antoobrien

Cosmo Kramer wrote: »

So is the Gareth Bradshaw story true? Captains his county, throws a punch, gets sent off, then quits the panel when they need him most

No that's not the whole story. He got sent off playing a club match the following week, meaning the double suspension rule comes into play, so he's banned from all competitions for 2/3 months.

h2005

antoobrien wrote: »

No that's not the whole story. He got sent off playing a club match the following week, meaning the double suspension rule comes into play, so he's banned from all competitions for 2/3 months.

For a double yellow?

antoobrien

h2005 wrote: »

For a double yellow?

Second sending off in the (calendar?) year invokes an extra ban. In the case of two double yellows, you'd get the one month ban for a straight red.

premierstone

antoobrien wrote: »

Second sending off in the (calendar?) year invokes an extra ban. In the case of two double yellows, you'd get the one month ban for a straight red.

There's no ban at all for a double yellow sending off, not even if it happened every match of the year, suspensions only apply to straight reds or retrospective ban arrising from an incident missed by the officials.

Doubling of bans is enforced if you commit a second red card offence within 12 months of the first, both reds have to have been for the same thing ie dangerous play, abusing an official etc.

InchicoreDude

premierstone wrote: »

There's no ban at all for a double yellow sending off, not even if it happened every match of the year, suspensions only apply to straight reds or retrospective ban arrising from an incident missed by the officials.

Doubling of bans is enforced if you commit a second red card offence within 12 months of the first, both reds have to have been for the same thing ie dangerous play, abusing an official etc.

Not sure if Bradshaws red for club was 2 yellows? I know he got sent off for mouthing at the ref though.

And against Mayo, it was for punching opponent.

h2005

InchicoreDude wrote: »

Not sure if Bradshaws red for club was 2 yellows? I know he got sent off for mouthing at the ref though.

And against Mayo, it was for punching opponent.

It was 2 yellows

InchicoreDude

h2005 wrote: »

It was 2 yellows

So where does that leave him ban-wise?

To be honest, I was surprised that he was able to take part in the club game after being sent off the week before. But are club & county suspensions different now???

antoobrien

premierstone wrote: »

There's no ban at all for a double yellow sending off, not even if it happened every match of the year

Yes there is, see rule 7.

(b) Misconduct at Games by Players, which consists of five Categories of Infractions which occur on or in the vicinity of the Field of Play, and which occur immediately before, during or after a Game:
Category I
Being ordered off on foot of a second Cautionable Infraction.
Penalty:
(i) Fixed Penalty: Debarment from playing for the remainder of the Game, to include any extra-time;
(ii) Fixed Penalty on Repeat Infraction: 2 weeks Suspension in the same Code and at the same Level.

Bradshaw originally got sent off for a category 2 which invokes the repeat offence rule for that:

Category II
(i) Striking or attempting to strike with arm, elbow, hand or knee.
(ii) Striking or attempting to strike with a hurley, with minimal force.
(iii) Kicking or attempting to kick, with minimal force.
(iv) Behaving in any way which is dangerous to an opponent.
(v) Spitting at an opponent.
(vi) Contributing to a melee
(vii) Abusive language towards a Referee, Umpire, Linesman or Sideline Official.
Penalty:
(i) Minimum: 4 weeks Suspension in the same Code and at the same Level, inclusive of the next Game in the same Competition of that Competition Year, even if that Game falls outside the Suspension time period;
(ii) Minimum on Repeat Infraction: 8 weeks Suspension in the same Code and at the same Level as that at which the Infractions were committed, inclusive of the next Game in the same Competition of that Competition Year, even if that Game falls outside the Suspension time period.

premierstone

antoobrien wrote: »

Yes there is, see rule 7.



Bradshaw originally got sent off for a category 2 which invokes the repeat offence rule for that:

wow apologies never heard of that rule which is embarrassing as I have served on disciplinary committees.

I wonder is the rule ignored at club level? I have never in my life heard of a GAA player receiving a two week suspension? A month is the shortest I have ever heard of.

antoobrien

premierstone wrote: »

I wonder is the rule ignored at club level?

It would depend on whether the referee submits a report (sometimes they just relay the score to the board), no report means a sending off doesn't happen.

premierstone wrote: »

I have never in my life heard of a GAA player receiving a two week suspension? A month is the shortest I have ever heard of.

I'll be honest that's the first I've seen of it, it was a month before. I went back and checked old copies of the rules and it's been that way since 2010 (the oldest copy of the rules I have).

Diabhal Beag

Would love Shane Kavanagh to start on Sunday against Laois. God knows that Laois will be up for it.

InchicoreDude

Diabhal Beag wrote: »

Would love Shane Kavanagh to start on Sunday against Laois. God knows that Laois will be up for it.

Did he play any league game?

Yeah, Laois will be up for it. But being "up for it" should not make a difference given the gulf in class between these teams.

Diabhal Beag

He was on the panel but wasn't available for most of the League. I hear he has been featuring in some challenge matches.

This is the same side that really struggled against Westmeath last year so I'm thinking it'll be well worth the trip over to Portlaoise. Willie Hyland seems to one to watch out for.

InchicoreDude

Diabhal Beag wrote: »

He was on the panel but wasn't available for most of the League. I hear he has been featuring in some challenge matches.

This is the same side that really struggled against Westmeath last year so I'm thinking it'll be well worth the trip over to Portlaoise. Willie Hyland seems to one to watch out for.

He is a good option at full back anyway. If he is as good as when he was Galway panel before....

Diabhal Beag

Awful stuff today. Nothing to shout about. Moore had his worst match in a Galway jersey. Skehill's short puck outs were dreadful at times either due to him or due to the first touch of Moore and Coen. Donnellan was subbed after about about 30 seconds and Conor Cooney didn't seem to do anything in the first half.

There were some positives. Callanan and James Regan made big impacts when they came on. Shane Kavanagh was very impressive at times and himself, Canning and Tan could hold their heads up after that match. David Burke had a very good second half and Davey Glennon worked his socks off and deserved his goal.

Laois were really good and didn't deserve to lose. Hyland had Harte wrapped around his little finger, especially with the long puck-outs. The place erupted when they got their goal and after that Galway got the kick up the arse they needed to pull away.

Another Leinster final but a lot of problems to sort out. Some of the first touches today would put U-8's to same. I'm not sure whether I believe Cunningham was holding back today like Cody was against Offaly either. They were in real trouble for a long time. Another stressful day in the life of Galway GAA fans. That stress could be added to big time if we get Tyrone away in the draw.

nootroc

Well we got Tipperary and I suppose we hope to put it up to them especially with home venue.

InchicoreDude

nootroc wrote: »

Well we got Tipperary and I suppose we hope to put it up to them especially with home venue.

Given the current state of Galway football, it may be a dangerous or foolish thing to say but I think Galway can beat Tipperary.

Diabhal Beag

Tipp will be tricky but I would have said that about any team we played. Hopefully the prospect of breaking the curse will attract a good crowd.

Hulk Hands

Yeah, everyone would be pessimistic no matter who we got. In truth, it's a good draw. Tipperary are decent but won't play negative tactics. Galway have a much better chance of beating a side that tries to beat us with football, rather than someone like Antrim who would probably out do us tactically. I hope this is in Tuam, to reduce the chances of their being a wind. This Galway side has shown time and time again to be tactically inept when it's windy, failing to bring players back and crowding space against the wind and failing to break teams down who use that exact tactic when it's at their back.

Edit: Scheduled for Pearse stadium at 7 on the Saturday. Ah well. At least I can go out on the piss and celebrate or drown my sorrows after

Syferus

How are ye lads? Fancy a round 2 tie at our place? Someone has to win!

Hulk Hands

Syferus wrote: »

How are ye lads? Fancy a round 2 tie at our place? Someone has to win!

Our mammies won't let us go there after that safety report. Tuam for a repeat of dereksavagewasn'tfkinfouledgate?

Syferus

Hulk Hands wrote: »

Our mammies won't let us go there after that safety report. Tuam for a repeat of dereksavagewasn'tfkinfouledgate?

I like Tuam. Especially the taunting 'Irish Rail' hoarding behind the goals. It's been what, twenty years since a train was sighted in the bishop's town?

InchicoreDude

What year was it that Galway championship matches were moved to Tuam???

I know Ros beat us there in 2001. Was there Connacht championship matches there after that? Does it coincide with Galway's demise as a football force?

Hulk Hands

Heard the bishops speech at the weekend. About as outdated as the stadium

2004 I think Pearse opened, cant remember championship in Tuam since

InchicoreDude

Hulk Hands wrote: »

Heard the bishops speech at the weekend. About as outdated as the stadium

2004 I think Pearse opened, cant remember championship in Tuam since

There definitely hasnt been a championship match there since Pearse opened. I cant remember the matches there in '02 or '03 though. I will have to google after I finish writing this.

I like Tuam a lot. Championship in Tuam is a million times better than in Pearse. However, you are right. the ground in Tuam is not good enough to play championship games.

Hulk Hands

I think the showers not working after a national league match was the nail in the coffin. Real pity, there was something special about championship in Tuam. A lot of criticism was given for not renovating, but I could see the problems. The hurling crowd wouldn't go there, neither the football to Ballinasloe, and I doubt there was money for both. Tuam was also surrounded by boom time private property which hindered space for expansion. Salthill is a lovely stadium in the wrong location, although I will enjoy the Salthill experience for the Tipp game if it's a nice day

Cosmo Kramer

InchicoreDude wrote: »

There definitely hasnt been a championship match there since Pearse opened. I cant remember the matches there in '02 or '03 though. I will have to google after I finish writing this.

I like Tuam a lot. Championship in Tuam is a million times better than in Pearse. However, you are right. the ground in Tuam is not good enough to play championship games.

I was at the 2003 Connacht Final - that was in Salthill, the first time I was in Pearse Stadium (I'm too young to remember it when it previously held championship games). 2001 was definitely still Tuam. Not sure about 2002.

InchicoreDude

Cosmo Kramer wrote: »

I was at the 2003 Connacht Final - that was in Salthill, the first time I was in Pearse Stadium (I'm too young to remember it when it previously held championship games). 2001 was definitely still Tuam. Not sure about 2002.

yeah, 2003 was the year it changed alright. It does loosely coincide with Galway's falling fortunes in football. Which is interesting......especially since relocating to Pearse was supposed to have the opposite effect.

24yearslater

Played Rosc in 2002 connacht qtr final, won 12 pts to 8. That was the year Pearse stadium was reopened after refurbishment. Co board sold 10 yr tkts for the place with the promise of all Galway home c'ship matches being played there. Tuam not good enuf for intercounty, neither are Athenry/Ballinasloe for the hurling.

manofwisdom

24yearslater wrote: »

Played Rosc in 2002 connacht qtr final, won 12 pts to 8. That was the year Pearse stadium was reopened after refurbishment. Co board sold 10 yr tkts for the place with the promise of all Galway home c'ship matches being played there. Tuam not good enuf for intercounty, neither are Athenry/Ballinasloe for the hurling.

Would have been 2003 as Galway beat Roscommon in Hyde park 2002.

Hulk Hands

1. Manus Breathnach

2. Colin Forde 3. Finian Hanley 4. Keith Kelly

5. Conor Doherty 6. Gary O’Donnell 7.Gary Sice

8. Paul Conroy 9. Greg Higgins

10. John O’Brien 11. Sean Armstrong 12. Michael Farragher

13. Mark Hehir 14. Michael Meehan 15. Danny Cummins.

Galway side for Saturday.

Mixed feelings. I like the full back line, there's nice balance with a speedy corner back and a good reader of the game. Finian back is huge. They obviously have a lot of time for Doherty as a footballer so this move will be interesting. He was certainly not a scoring threat in the forwards.

Surprised there's no Flynn or O'Currain. We could easily see them though. That midfield is flawed but should still be able for Tipperary. Higgins is solid if unspectacular. I like the forwards bar O'Brien who is more of an athlete than Footballer. Would rather see Conroy there and one of the U21s at Midfield. Farragher is well worth a try in the forwards. Hehir is a nice addition given the circumstances, every chance of a windy day in Salthill. If Tipp bring men behind the ball then long range score taking will be crucial, and Hehir is especially adept at that. Looking forward to it.

InchicoreDude

Hulk Hands wrote: »

1. Manus Breathnach

2. Colin Forde 3. Finian Hanley 4. Keith Kelly

5. Conor Doherty 6. Gary O’Donnell 7.Gary Sice

8. Paul Conroy 9. Greg Higgins

10. John O’Brien 11. Sean Armstrong 12. Michael Farragher

13. Mark Hehir 14. Michael Meehan 15. Danny Cummins.

Galway side for Saturday.

Mixed feelings. I like the full back line, there's nice balance with a speedy corner back and a good reader of the game. Finian back is huge. They obviously have a lot of time for Doherty as a footballer so this move will be interesting. He was certainly not a scoring threat in the forwards.

Surprised there's no Flynn or O'Currain. We could easily see them though. That midfield is flawed but should still be able for Tipperary. Higgins is solid if unspectacular. I like the forwards bar O'Brien who is more of an athlete than Footballer. Would rather see Conroy there and one of the U21s at Midfield. Farragher is well worth a try in the forwards. Hehir is a nice addition given the circumstances, every chance of a windy day in Salthill. If Tipp bring men behind the ball then long range score taking will be crucial, and Hehir is especially adept at that. Looking forward to it.

There are changes which is good.

But that team does not fill me with confidence.

Big match for Armstrong. He is the main man in that forward line now and this is the match he needs to step up and finally show something for Galway in the championship. Hopefully, we can get a big match from him.

I'd definitely have gone with Martin ahead of Hehir. Farragher is a talented player and is a decent addition. I am not sure if he is up to this level but I think he is worth looking at and this may as well be the time. Has he ever even played a league match for Galway though?
Doherty is a player who could be a very very good attacking wing back. So hopefully that move will come off.

I wouldnt be rushing to put money on Galway winning this match however. Lets hope they are keen to show some pride.

premierstone

InchicoreDude wrote: »

I wouldnt be rushing to put money on Galway winning this match however. Lets hope they are keen to show some pride.

Tipp are in tatters and are missing 7 of teh starting 15 against Kerry including there only two scoring forwards and their best overall player, Galway will win this despite themselves.

InchicoreDude

premierstone wrote: »

Tipp are in tatters and are missing 7 of teh starting 15 against Kerry including there only two scoring forwards and their best overall player, Galway will win this despite themselves.

Why are they missing so many?

I expect Galway to win. Wouldnt be surprised if they lost. From what I hear, Galway's training is not so great at the moment.

premierstone

InchicoreDude wrote: »

Why are they missing so many?

I expect Galway to win. Wouldnt be surprised if they lost. From what I hear, Galway's training is not so great at the moment.

2 decided to head to the states and 5 are injured! Grogan and Quinlivan are our only real scoring forwards and both are definitely missing.

leonidas83

InchicoreDude wrote: »

Why are they missing so many?

I expect Galway to win. Wouldnt be surprised if they lost. From what I hear, Galway's training is not so great at the moment.

Could you elaborate on that please

MfMan

InchicoreDude wrote: »

There are changes which is good.

But that team does not fill me with confidence.

Big match for Armstrong. He is the main man in that forward line now and this is the match he needs to step up and finally show something for Galway in the championship. Hopefully, we can get a big match from him.

I'd definitely have gone with Martin ahead of Hehir. Farragher is a talented player and is a decent addition. I am not sure if he is up to this level but I think he is worth looking at and this may as well be the time. Has he ever even played a league match for Galway though?
Doherty is a player who could be a very very good attacking wing back. So hopefully that move will come off.

I wouldnt be rushing to put money on Galway winning this match however. Lets hope they are keen to show some pride.

Every match Armstrong goes out in seems to be a make-or-(mostly)-break game for him. Swiftly running out of chances now surely. Hehir offers very little, but Martin doesn't promise too much either. Hopefully the maligned Cummins can continue his Mayo-form. Forwards as a unit extremely ordinary though.

Backs much changed too; no room for Duane surprisingly while Forde, Sice and Kelly hold their places. Also no room for U-21 midfielders, though Flynn hasn't really made the breakthrough at the top level yet IMHO.

Management correct in making changes and trying something else, but it still has the air of rearranging pieces into different areas rather than a whole new approach. Welcome to the small time!

Diabhal Beag

I don't think it really matters how bad Tipp are on paper. If they show any fight at all this Galway side will **** themselves. A lot of players in this Galway side are going in carrying injuries, which is my biggest worry. O'Curraoin is a big loss if that starting lineup isn't a dummy.

Doherty to halfback is very interesting. One of those players who hasn't really been given enough chances to tell if he's up to senior. With all due respect though if you're going to try something new in the championship, Tipp are the team to try it against. Looking forward to seeing how Farragher gets on. I presume that the likes of Flynn and Duane will make appearances.

Hopefully Meehan and Army can spark a big showing tomorrow night. It may only be a League attendance but they should be happy to even get that after a hammering and a disappointing League. I am really excited for this, maybe I'm going mental.

TriggerLivesOn

James Kavanagh has accepted an invitation to joint the county panel! Hopes to join if Galway beat Tipperary!

Syferus

Forget about those Tipp lads, what about yer minors? Mayo in the Theater of Tears on Sunday.

Looks a good Galway side and one everyone fancies to account for Mayo.

manofwisdom

premierstone wrote: »

2 decided to head to the states and 5 are injured! Grogan and Quinlivan are our only real scoring forwards and both are definitely missing.

Shame Grogan isn't playing as he would have caused Hanley plenty of problems. Quinlivan is still young and learning but another loss. Galway should win this game however it hard to see them getting past round 2 with few leaders on their current side.

InchicoreDude

TriggerLivesOn wrote: »

James Kavanagh has accepted an invitation to joint the county panel! Hopes to join if Galway beat Tipperary!

you really have to wonder why he would want to play for Galway at the moment....

Every match Armstrong goes out in seems to be a make-or-(mostly)-break game for him. Swiftly running out of chances now surely.

Very true. But I think this is the real make or break year for him. He is the most experienced forward in that forward line along with Meehan. So he HAS to do something this weekend. And I think he might.

Always_Running

Syferus wrote: »

Forget about those Tipp lads, what about yer minors? Mayo in the Theater of Tears on Sunday.

Looks a good Galway side and one everyone fancies to account for Mayo.

John Donnellan has Mayo favourites
http://www.advertiser.ie/galway/article/61888/galway-minors-up-against-favourites-mayo-

MaroonAndGreen

Do ye lads think Shane Walsh is worth a start for Galway seniors?

Is he really all that good?

Hulk Hands

MaroonAndGreen wrote: »

Do ye lads think Shane Walsh is worth a start for Galway seniors?

Is he really all that good?

He's an excellent prospect but he's what, 18/19? Probably not ready to start just yet. He should be given a run in next years national league providing there's no obstacles (exams etc)

Syferus

Always_Running wrote: »

John Donnellan has Mayo favourites
http://www.advertiser.ie/galway/article/61888/galway-minors-up-against-favourites-mayo-

LOL.

I'm sorry John but anyone following the minor grade this year knows Galway are the healthy favourites going into this one.

Sometimes managers descend from playing the poor mouth into total fantasy. I want to bet at whatever bookies John Donnellan is going to, though they probably won't be in business very long. You have to imagine the Mayo minors had a good chuckle at Donnellan trying so transparently to shift the favourites tag.

PP's outright for the minor AI (no Connacht minor odds, even though they have them for every other province): Galway 7/1, Mayo 9/1. Boyle Sports have match odds: Galway 8/15, Mayo 7/4.

It's within reason that Mayo could well win, but they ain't the favourites.

Stanza2

A win is a win I suppose ! Not great first half but much better second

Diabhal Beag

Have to say yer man on Galway Bay after the match was a right aul tit. People were texting in that Galway weren't good enough against a poor team, which is a fair point if you watched the match, and he completely dismissed the points.

Right result but you have to consider that the opposition was poor. They had 3 good goal chances and didn't take them. That said they were never out of the game completely, which says a lot when Galway were 9 points ahead in the second half at one stage. Cummins just can't convert goal chances at all.

But anyways on to the positives. Although he could have had two goals to his name I felt Cummins really added an awful lot as an outlet in the forwards in the two halves. He tore the Tipp backs apart at times. Meehan had arguably his best Galway game since Kerry 08. There was a lovely ball in from him in the first half that ended up as nothing when it could have been a goal. Army was very good. He plays very defensively so I think it'd be harsh for people to complain about him not being up to it. He did have one bad piece of glory in the second that was blocked. Outside of the usual 3 who play well in the forwards I was impressed with John O'Brien. He threw himself about and was an absolute workhorse. Farragher was good in the first 15 minutes or so and I believe he got the goal so fair play. Hehir was just there really. On a bad day you'd give out about how he has Tom Flynn-esque quiet spells. O'Donnell really cleaned about in that second. His running game was better than usual. Good to see. Conroy was very good too. Kinda focused more on GO'D though so I might have missed some of play. Conor Doherty warranted his inclusion. He had a good spell there in the second were he was moved to half forward and he just breezed past the tired Tipp backs. Hanley wasn't tested much but was happy with his performance considering he wasn't 100%. Kelly was good and Breathnach made a lovely save at a time when it felt that Tipp were going to burst the net with goals. Sice was fine.

I did worry that the subs coming on led to a big slide in handy frees conceded and goal chances. Martin took a selfish shot where the angle was literally impossible. The first half with the wind was embarrassing when they didn't figure out the wind direction.

Maybe a bit negative there but I'm very happy that they've overcome Tipp. A good home draw could see us get to R3 but thankfully the qualifier curse is over.

One last point: the cheer when the result of the hurling was announced was hilarious. Biggest cheer of the night.

porterbelly

Complete waste of time that game

Why not throw in Adrian Varley, Shane Walsh, Cathal Mulryan and Tom Flynn from the start and get them championship experience. If we lose so what, we're not going to go much further.

Reverting to type and playing the likes of Greg Higgins, Gary O Donnell and Sean Armstrong achieves what? They've shown they're not up to it year after year against any team half decent. So what did we learn?

Who cares if they're only 19/20 and slightly built. They need to be exposed to senior championship football and get used to it. They're the future of Galway football.

Syferus

porterbelly wrote: »

Complete waste of time that game

Why not throw in Adrian Varley, Shane Walsh, Cathal Mulryan and Tom Flynn from the start and get them championship experience. If we lose so what, we're not going to go much further.

Reverting to type and playing the likes of Greg Higgins, Gary O Donnell and Sean Armstrong achieves what? They've shown they're not up to it year after year against any team half decent. So what did we learn?

Who cares if they're only 19/20 and slightly built. They need to be exposed to senior championship football and get used to it. They're the future of Galway football.

Exposed would be the right word.

Throwing a rope around a bunch of U21s and parachuting them into a team is a recipe for disaster, both for the senior team and for those players' mental states.

Varley, Burke and Mulryan should have seen much more work in the league, but you simply can't just throw that many players at a problem and hope good things happen.

Where would Donegal be if McGuiness turfed out McGee, Gallagher, Kavanagh and McFadden for 'failing so many times'? A good manager elevates everyone on the panel, not just the kids.