Motorway Urgency

Satanta

+1 SV

One persons bad driving shouldnt lead to bad driving from another. Frustrating as it may be, this kind of tit-for-tat crap is what leads to road rage incidents and generally unsafe roads for the rest of us.

RobAMerc

I just did 300k on the Autobahn - I must say I saw more stupid dangerous driving on the M50 between the Airport and Dundrum than I did in the 300km at close to 200kmph.

Irish drivers have no fookin clue - there is no laws as far as I can see or they are not at all enforced.

It's no wonder we kill so many people on our roads ever year - we never train them to drive and then send them out to take their chances.

dr.fuzzenstein

RobAMerc wrote: »

I just did 300k on the Autobahn - I must say I saw more stupid dangerous driving on the M50 between the Airport and Dundrum than I did in the 300km at close to 200kmph.

Irish drivers have no fookin clue - there is no laws as far as I can see or they are not at all enforced.

It's no wonder we kill so many people on our roads ever year - we never train them to drive and then send them out to take their chances.

When I did my driving test in Germany one of the things you must do is complete lessons in motorway driving.
On my first outing the instructor told me to get it up to 160 km/h to get a feel for the speed.
The approach here is different.
Don't allow learner drivers onto the motorway, don't include it in the lessons or the test.
Surely they'll be grand after that, everyone knows you can only learn something by not doing it and then plunging headlong into it without a bollocks clue of what you're doing.
It's a bit Oirish.

NFD100

dr.fuzzenstein wrote: »

And there's the problem.
The Gards don't give a flying FCUK what goes on around the motorway.
Their contract states they have to do a checkpoint every now and then (tax, insurance, graaaand) and stand on the hard shoulder with a hairdryer every now and then.
They do the absolute minimum to coast to their next breakfast roll and eventually retirement with the absolute minimum of fuss.
At least that's what it looks like from the outside.
People do anything on irish roads because they can and no one cares.

+1000

Mc Love

I did a lesson on a dual carriageway (N road)

stevenmu

Cereal Rapist wrote: »

Please tell me how it's reckless driving? I'm not slamming on the brakes when in front of them, I'm gradually reducing my speed.

For one thing you're relying on the person you are attempting to "educate" being aware enough of what's going on to realise you are slowing and not run into the back of you. This is when you already know that the other driver is an idiot who shouldn't be driving

Motorways are safe and allow for the speeds they do because they are unobstructed. It's a fact that when one driver slows, the driver behind them slows even more, the next driver slows more again and so, and this can very quickly lead to traffic stopping or going slow for no apparant reason. We already know the driver behind you is incompetent so there's a good chance they'll get closer to you and therefore brake harder than needs be amplifying the effect. This can be seen pretty much any time the m50 is moderately busy, a queue of fast moving cars in the middle or right lane come up on somebody going slowly (say 90kph), the first car brakes to say 80kph, the next to 70kph etc, very quickly you have cars cruising at 100kph+ approaching cars going 50kph. I see this happen prety much any time I've been on the m50 when it's moderately busy, although I've only seen it lead to an actual collision once it's still dangerous or at best a serious inconvenience to other road users. And you're doing it deliberately.

cnocbui

dharn wrote: »

attitudes like this and you might need an undertaker !http://b-static.net/vbulletin/images/icons/icon4.gif

Well I learned to drive in a country where overtaking on the left was legal on multi lane roads. Having spent 15 or so years doing so with perfect safety, the attitude that it is highly dangerous to do so amuse/bemuses me.

You may overtake on the left when

• You want to go straight ahead when the driver in front of you has moved out and signalled that they intend to turn right.
• You have signalled that you intend to turn left.
• Traffic in both lanes is moving slowly and traffic in the left-hand lane is moving more quickly than the traffic in the right-hand lane.

Atomic Pineapple

cnocbui wrote: »

Well I learned to drive in a country where overtaking on the left was legal on multi lane roads. Having spent 15 or so years doing so with perfect safety, the attitude that it is highly dangerous to do so amuse/bemuses me.


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What you quoted states that you can undertake when your turning left. As in if your stuck in traffic thats going straight ahead but your turning off you can undertake to get to your turn off.

In a country where vast amounts of the driving population never passed a test or passed a token test it is extremely dangerous to undertake on a motorway.

When I'm after overtaking on the second overtaking lane I pull into the first overtaking lane then into the driving lane, if some arse hole is flying up the driving lane it causes a mismatch in speed between him/her and the general flow of traffic an increases the risk of an accident, he/she should be in the overtaking lane.

largepants

dr.fuzzenstein wrote: »

And there's the problem.
The Gards don't give a flying FCUK what goes on around the motorway.
Their contract states they have to do a checkpoint every now and then (tax, insurance, graaaand) and stand on the hard shoulder with a hairdryer every now and then.
They do the absolute minimum to coast to their next breakfast roll and eventually retirement with the absolute minimum of fuss.
At least that's what it looks like from the outside.
People do anything on irish roads because they can and no one cares.

Their contract states no such thing. After that I gave up reading you post.I've actually taught myself to laugh at all the idiotic things that happen on the drive home. You'd crack up otherwise.

cnocbui

I take your points.

Motorway at night, speed limit 120kph. You come across a line of 9-12 cars in the right lane doing 70-80 kph. At the front of the queue is a hearse, one assumes holding up traffic deliberately.

Your destination is 140 km away.

This was a real situation.

Peadar_85

Completely agree with the comments on no training for L drivers on Motorway behaviour. It's farcical. You prove in your driving test that you can drive at 50km around your local town while there's absolutely no thought given to how you'll perform at approx. 2.5 times this speed with other cars coming at you from every angle.

I'd regularly drive on 2 lane motorways where I stick to the left except when overtaking. Occasionally I drive on a 4 lane motorway where I join and leave it on the next exit so I'm on for maybe 2/3 km. What I've found myself doing in recent times is just staying in the most left lane as I know I'm exiting soon. I stick to the speed limit and there's hardly ever anyone in front of me for this short stretch BUT I do find myself passing (or 'undertaking' as it's referred to here) other cars on the inside.

Is this a big No No and am I more in the wrong than yer man doing 70km in the 2nd lane i.e. should he be in the most left of the lanes as he's not at motorway speed where I would then move into the 2nd lane, pass him then move back into the left lane again?

-Chris-

I'm closing this thread because it's that classic combination of "a thread we've already recently had" and "a thread where somebody says something shockingly stupid, and everyone feels the need to pile on".

Thread closed.