Trevor Ó Clochartaigh

PomBear

padraig71 wrote: »

But don't the same people who belonged to the IRA still enforce vigilante justice and engage in organised crime, such as the recreational drug trade? (I wonder what is Sinn Fein's policy on liberalisation vs. prohibition.)

Do you believe Gerry Adams was never in the IRA as he says? I think he would be more credible if he were more honest about the past.

There's no members of Sinn Féin involved in the drug trade AFAIK.

Sinn Féin is anti-drugs in a big way.

To be honest, I couldn't care less if he was or wasn't. He has denied it and was never convicted of it or any other crime.....take from that what you want

PomBear

dloob wrote: »

Good 100 mil per test well. The Norwegians let you write off allmost all the cost of your failed wells against the tax on successful ones.

Still if there was half a trillion there you think some one would have drilled it, unless it's not commercially viable.

Not sure why not, certainly plenty in the oil trade believe there's big money too, will have to find out.

Well Shell are laying there pipeline on Rossport so they think whatever's there is profitable.

lezza

where is this 6-9 billion corrib gas field valuation figure coming from its wrong,

corrib gas field is worth 15 billion, today end of buddy,

now the reason i mentioned 540 billion is because this is what all of our resources are worth at todays prices.

the reason shell is providing the pipe and refinery to rossport is its fairly central and oil and gas can be pumped from all of the west coast from donegal to kerry EASILY,

I didnt come on here to say sinn fein = ira etc etc i came here to say that i want my countrys national resources back because its ours! and sinn fein are trying to get this back therfore they will get my vote, i despise the recent activities and furthermore the not so recent activities of sinn fein, but they are tackling my agenda therfore i will support them, and if it was fine gael that tackled this certain agenda i would support them thats just me.

this is a public forum where i to the best of my knowledge express my facts and give my views and btw im only 22 years of age! a young voice is needed on these political matters

Adrian009

PomBear wrote: »

Sinn Féin candidate doing well in our poll. So thought since everyone else is having a thread, this guy also could have a shout for the last seat, I'll certainly vote for him.

Ex-Producer of Ros na Run and Fair City! Also, he was project manager for Gaelsceal and lectures Business through Irish in GMIT.

You never know could be the first SF TD in Galway West since the 1920s.

Sounds great but as a member of Sinn Fein he supported the actions of the IRA, so I can't give him a vote. We've enough criminals in the Dail as it is.

lezza

PomBear wrote: »

Not sure why not, certainly plenty in the oil trade believe there's big money too, will have to find out.

Well Shell are laying there pipeline on Rossport so they think whatever's there is profitable.

dloob wrote: »

Ohh right so it's just no one can be bothered to drill for it is it?

no its easier drill field like corrib gas and cheaper and also you will see within ten years more and more deep see drilling as resources dry out



btw whats your position on our resources, do u reckon rau burke done right on selling them and denying them to our government??

Adrian009

lezza wrote: »

where is this 6-9 billion corrib gas field valuation figure coming from its wrong,

corrib gas field is worth 15 billion, today end of buddy,

now the reason i mentioned 540 billion is because this is what all of our resources are worth at todays prices.

the reason shell is providing the pipe and refinery to rossport is its fairly central and oil and gas can be pumped from all of the west coast from donegal to kerry EASILY,

I didnt come on here to say sinn fein = ira etc etc i came here to say that i want my countrys national resources back because its ours! and sinn fein are trying to get this back therfore they will get my vote, i despise the recent activities and furthermore the not so recent activities of sinn fein, but they are tackling my agenda therfore i will support them, and if it was fine gael that tackled this certain agenda i would support them thats just me.

this is a public forum where i to the best of my knowledge express my facts and give my views and btw im only 22 years of age! a young voice is needed on these political matters

My own problem with voting for Sinn Fein is that they are just the flip-side of Fianna Fail. I cannot see how trusting any of our resources to people who still support an organisation that committed mass murder and proxy suicide bombings will help Ireland's economy.

Adrian009

PomBear wrote: »

There's no members of Sinn Féin involved in the drug trade AFAIK.

Sinn Féin is anti-drugs in a big way.

To be honest, I couldn't care less if he was or wasn't. He has denied it and was never convicted of it or any other crime.....take from that what you want

Adams's membership of the IRA is irrelevant because he supported them right to the end of the Troubles, and still thinks they are a great bunch of lads. Sinn Fein even sells IRA memorablia on its website, and they expect us to put them in charge of our country? All we'd be doing is swaping one party of republican criminals for another.

Adrian009

PomBear wrote: »

The IRA have decommissioned i.e. no weapons, no longer carry out military operations.
Sinn Féin are invested into the peace process.

So why can they not help the historical enquiries teams with their enquiries? Putting people behind bars for criminal activities commited during the troubles would be a great way of winning votes in Ireland.

Adrian009

Jamey wrote: »

An age old argument not worth getting into.

FF, FG, Labour all have a bloody past - Sinn Féin's is the most recent so people will continue to bring it up as a reason for being anti-SF as The Troubles are not yet a distant memory. SF's popularity will only rise and rise as their links to violence become ancient history....

The IRA only put themselves out of business in 2005. Five years ago. That's not ancient history. Neither is the fact that Martin Ferriss personally escorted the murders of Garda Gerry McCabe from prison. If any TD in any other party did the same for murders, they'd be lynched outa office. Trevor might be a gentleman but he belongs to an party that still stands shoulder-to-shoulder with all the IRA did, and is thus not worthy of my vote. The dail has enough criminals in it.

lezza

Adrian009 wrote: »

So why can they not help the historical enquiries teams with their enquiries? Putting people behind bars for criminal activities commited during the troubles would be a great way of winning votes in Ireland.

i can totally understand your points adrian i couldn agree more ideally i'd like to vote for a independent i hate the idea of bein asoociated with ANY party but you must vote for the party that delivers to you! fianna fail fine gael greens labour offer me nothin! we all agree to this same horse different jockey?? labour are also derived from ira not many people know this as such, pat rabbite ira associated eamon gilmore and a few more

Adrian009

lezza wrote: »

i can totally understand your points adrian i couldn agree more ideally i'd like to vote for a independent i hate the idea of bein asoociated with ANY party but you must vote for the party that delivers to you! fianna fail fine gael greens labour offer me nothin! we all agree to this same horse different jockey?? labour are also derived from ira not many people know this as such, pat rabbite ira associated eamon gilmore and a few more

Thanks for been frank with me on this one. We'll both just have to make our individual choices and hope for the best. In my area, independents seem set to rule the roost, but that means having four people pulling in five different ways.

Enda was right about one thing, then; EVERYONE will suffer. At least he alone of the party leaders was honest enough to say it.

Dan_Solo

Adrian009 wrote: »

The IRA only put themselves out of business in 2005. Five years ago. That's not ancient history. Neither is the fact that Martin Ferriss personally escorted the murders of Garda Gerry McCabe from prison. If any TD in any other party did the same for murders, they'd be lynched outa office. Trevor might be a gentleman but he belongs to an party that still stands shoulder-to-shoulder with all the IRA did, and is thus not worthy of my vote. The dail has enough criminals in it.

How many people has Mary Harney killed while in office? And people kept voting for her and her FF mates.

Dan_Solo

Adrian009 wrote: »

Enda was right about one thing, then; EVERYONE will suffer. At least he alone of the party leaders was honest enough to say it.

Since his policies are almost identical to Fianna Fail's, I don't see why anybody would expect anything different.

Robbo

Back on Trevor O'Clochartaigh, I now can't drive past one of his posters without the image of Gregor Fisher's Baldy Man in my head.

PomBear

Adrian009 wrote: »

Sounds great but as a member of Sinn Fein he supported the actions of the IRA, so I can't give him a vote. We've enough criminals in the Dail as it is.

Suppose that's your democratic right, you're well entitled to do, the people of the North have voted Sinn Féin to make them the largest party up there and people voted in Arthur Morgan and Martin Ferris no problem whether they supported the IRA or not.

PomBear

Adrian009 wrote: »

So why can they not help the historical enquiries teams with their enquiries? Putting people behind bars for criminal activities commited during the troubles would be a great way of winning votes in Ireland.

Probably something they should do but remember they've been screwed over by the same team before. For example, the Widgerly report on Bloody Sunday, probably a lack of trust that needs to be addressed and reconcialed

dloob

lezza wrote: »

no its easier drill field like corrib gas and cheaper and also you will see within ten years more and more deep see drilling as resources dry out

btw whats your position on our resources, do u reckon rau burke done right on selling them and denying them to our government??

Yes it's easier to drill corrib but that's only shell, what about all the other companies with exploration licences?

The 25% income tax was a generous deal but justified by the lack of Oil or Gas finds off the Irish coast.
We used to look for a share in company and higher taxes but over a few decades of little or no interest from the oil companies the rates were reduced in an attempt to stop exploration activity ceasing. Dick Spring started it all in 1985 reducing and then removing the Irish governments share in the exploration companies. Over the following years more and more was cut in an attempt to generate some interest.

The new licences have a 40% tax rate for the top fields, which is probably the maximum an area would Ireland's exploration history could justify.
Maybe if there are a few more finds they could get away with increasing it slightly.

What terms would you find satisfactory?

My valuation of the field seems fine, a trillion cubic feet of gas is worth £5.4 billion as of yesterdays market prices or 6.3bn euro
Mild weather has probably reduced the price.

Dan_Solo

Pity all the engineering and geology graduates the state has spent a fortune educating can't be put to good use exploiting these natural resources.
Always a case of being too inept to do anything for ourselves isn't it. Sure get a company in a they might throw us a crust. I'd rather see it left there until we can get at it ourselves.:mad:

dolphin city

Adrian009 wrote: »

So why can they not help the historical enquiries teams with their enquiries? Putting people behind bars for criminal activities commited during the troubles would be a great way of winning votes in Ireland.

adrian, after reading through this thread I cant help but coming to the conclusion that you have a very immature and naive outlook when it comes to the North of Ireland. You seem to just spout out what you hear on the news or what you hear from someone "with an agenda" to make themselves look better on a tv show. Don't follow someone elses agenada

can I ask if you have ever stepped foot up north, or listened to a first hand account of what was going on up there.

if so, you would realise that if people were to do what you suggest about, then plenty of the psni would be behind bars. Just an alternative point for you to consider.

Having said that....have you seen the recent picture of Enda and Gerry in a bear hug.

Adrian009

Dan_Solo wrote: »

How many people has Mary Harney killed while in office? And people kept voting for her and her FF mates.

If you cannot reply in kind, don't bother to reply at all.

Adrian009

dolphin city wrote: »

adrian, after reading through this thread I cant help but coming to the conclusion that you have a very immature and naive outlook when it comes to the North of Ireland. You seem to just spout out what you hear on the news or what you hear from someone "with an agenda" to make themselves look better on a tv show. Don't follow someone elses agenada

can I ask if you have ever stepped foot up north, or listened to a first hand account of what was going on up there.

if so, you would realise that if people were to do what you suggest about, then plenty of the psni would be behind bars. Just an alternative point for you to consider.

Having said that....have you seen the recent picture of Enda and Gerry in a bear hug.

I did! Gerry is very camara-aware. I've seen him in action, and his preformances could teach world leaders a thing or two.

I have been to the north, and heard first and second-hand accounts of various incidents great and small, famous and forgotten, of those times. I do try to present my thoughts as best I can, and they are my own, based on my own research and conclusions. If they sound naive to a northerner then I hold up my hands and plead guilty; its simply my southern perspective on northern and/or all-island matters.

dloob

dolphin city wrote: »

Having said that....have you seen the recent picture of Enda and Gerry in a bear hug.

The Bear Hug was a bit weird, why pick the leader least likely to have anything to do with your party.
Anyhow from the various polls and predictions it seems Trevor is likely to increase his vote, but luckily not enough to get elected and implement their naive economic policy.

The M17/M18 works are already stalled because the banks that were going to back it are worried about the default risk.

brianthebard

dloob wrote: »

The Bear Hug was a bit weird, why pick the leader least likely to have anything to do with your party.

Think you've answered your own question there.

Anyhow from the various polls and predictions it seems Trevor is likely to increase his vote, but luckily not enough to get elected and implement their naive economic policy.

Why are they naive? Their economic policies are fully costed and the plan to default is based on advice and statements from people at the very top of the international markets as well as national and international economists. Personally when both the right and left agree on an economic policy I feel its important to take notice. I don't particularly mind if people vote against a party based on ideology or a real aversion to their policies but this is never the case with SF people always employ lazy clichés to put them down. They were somewhat naive in the last GE (more Adams than the party as a whole I feel) but not any more.

Dan_Solo

Adrian009 wrote: »

If you cannot reply in kind, don't bother to reply at all.

"If you can't argue against something, whine about it being mean" would appear to be what you're trying to say.

ayeayecaptain

He will get my vote, although at best my no.2, just couldn't bring myself to vote Sinn Fein No.1 and I've my heart set on Derek Nolan for Labour for No.1. Met Trevor twice now, he called to the door the other evening and gave me a full 20 minutes answering any queries I had. Seems like a genuinely nice guy.

dloob

brianthebard wrote: »

Think you've answered your own question there.



Why are they naive? Their economic policies are fully costed and the plan to default is based on advice and statements from people at the very top of the international markets as well as national and international economists. Personally when both the right and left agree on an economic policy I feel its important to take notice. I don't particularly mind if people vote against a party based on ideology or a real aversion to their policies but this is never the case with SF people always employ lazy clichés to put them down. They were somewhat naive in the last GE (more Adams than the party as a whole I feel) but not any more.

He should have hugged Martin sure aren't FF the republican party :pac:

Right wing economists have a slightly different take on the default.
They want to default and then cut services and welfare to eliminate the exchequer deficit.

SF want to default and increase services and welfare to even more than they were before and borrow more money to plug the gap between taxes and spending.
I also object to stealing 1 billion out of peoples bank accounts with a wealth tax and the 1.1 billion in tax increases by eliminating all tax reliefs.

dolphin city

Adrian009 wrote: »

I did! Gerry is very camara-aware. I've seen him in action, and his preformances could teach world leaders a thing or two.

I have been to the north, and heard first and second-hand accounts of various incidents great and small, famous and forgotten, of those times. I do try to present my thoughts as best I can, and they are my own, based on my own research and conclusions. If they sound naive to a northerner then I hold up my hands and plead guilty; its simply my southern perspective on northern and/or all-island matters.

hmmm, if that is true, then I'd really love to know who you were talking to up north to give you the opinions you have. They must have seen you getting on the bus. by the way I am not a northernor. Re. your point on Gerry- that's quite funny. Wasn't the best performer award given to bertie, and as for enda, we all know he gets bouts of "camera shy" if there are certain journalists and reporters about. A true sign of a great leader :D

dolphin city

dloob wrote: »

The Bear Hug was a bit weird, why pick the leader least likely to have anything to do with your party.
Anyhow from the various polls and predictions it seems Trevor is likely to increase his vote, but luckily not enough to get elected and implement their naive economic policy.

The M17/M18 works are already stalled because the banks that were going to back it are worried about the default risk.

did you not understand what was going on there? :rolleyes: I thought it was genius myself - spoke volumes.

dolphin city

dloob wrote: »

The Bear Hug was a bit weird, why pick the leader least likely to have anything to do with your party.
Anyhow from the various polls and predictions it seems Trevor is likely to increase his vote, but luckily not enough to get elected and implement their naive economic policy.

The M17/M18 works are already stalled because the banks that were going to back it are worried about the default risk.

funny that, they are the only party that the economists are in line with. Surely you are not calling the economists looking in, naive too.

brianthebard

dloob wrote: »

He should have hugged Martin sure aren't FF the republican party :pac:

Right wing economists have a slightly different take on the default.
They want to default and then cut services and welfare to eliminate the exchequer deficit.

SF want to default and increase services and welfare to even more than they were before and borrow more money to plug the gap between taxes and spending.

Can you show me a link where they want to increase welfare above what it has been before? They just want to reverse the last cut. As for borrowing more money to plug the gap, all parties are saying they'll do that, except the difference is SF isn't doing it to fund the banks so it would be much less money. Don't be naive and think this is a SF only thing, this is the reality of any economy in the world, they all have loans on their books to exactly that.

I also object to stealing 1 billion out of peoples bank accounts with a wealth tax and the 1.1 billion in tax increases by eliminating all tax reliefs.

Stealing? Many countries have a wealth tax, its a simple idea that will have little to no impact on the people it affects and will raise 1bn as you say, hardly chump change. I very much doubt it is going to affect you anyways tbh, no offence. I don't think they are eliminating all tax reliefs, can you give me a link? People need to get over the idea that tax increases are a bad idea, especially on the wealthy, people in the top tax bracket are not paying anywhere near the marginal rate of tax, that needs to be fixed.

dolphin city wrote: »

did you not understand what was going on there? :rolleyes: I thought it was genius myself - spoke volumes.

According to village magazine Gerry hugged a tree with Tony Blair and look how well things turned out with them afterwards, I'd say a SF/FG coalition is a shoe-in now. :pac: