What Joe Jordan said to Gattuso

MrMatisse

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2011/feb/16/championsleague-acmilan

ACCUSED OF SAYING- WOOPS

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What Joe Jordan is accused of saying to Gennaro Gattuso

eagle eye

He was right anyways.:pac:

JPA

I heard he called him a hairy face after Gattuso called him four eyes.

niallo27

No surprise, Jordan has being at it for years, no harm to see someone having a go back

lordgoat

niallo27 wrote: »

No surprise, Jordan has being at it for years, no harm to see someone having a go back

No harm? If by no harm you mean a fine and probable ban then ya no harm.

dsmythy

If it is true then they both deserve a ban and/or fine.

Mister men

If true Jordan should be banned from the champions league sidelines for the rest of the season. Would'nt be surprised tbh.

CoalBucket

niallo27 wrote: »

No surprise, Jordan has being at it for years, no harm to see someone having a go back

Jordan would have battered him.

Here is an article about him. My favourite quote:

Hard man: one recent poll, citing the 25 toughest players in the game's history, named 24 defenders and Joe Jordan

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/tottenham-hotspur/8329050/Joe-Jordan-has-always-been-more-bite-than-bark-unlike-AC-Milans-pantomime-villain-Gennaro-Gattuso.html

Nailz

True or not, Guttuso deserves some sort of disciplinary action, he lost the head and went a bit too far on multiple incidents throughout the game. His agents probably trying to justify what Gennaro done, which is his job, but whatever Joe said shouldn't provoke anything back from a professional footballer.

Thread title is misleading by the way.

Nailz

Mister men wrote: »

If true Jordan should be banned from the champions league sidelines for the rest of the season. Would'nt be surprised tbh.

Well they can't prove that Jordan said anything can they? It would all be he-said she-said bull****.

Insect Overlord

Nailz wrote: »

Well they can't prove that Jordan said anything can they? It would all be he-said she-said bull****.

There were very clear shots of his face while he was face-to-face with Gattuso. It wouldn't be very difficult for a qualified lip-reader to decipher what was said.

m@cc@

Fairly tame insult if true.

For one like Rino, who has a strong sense of his Italian identity, I think this is the most disgusting and unjustifiable of insults

Seems like someone is looking to get the public onside and his client off the hook.

stovelid

Jordan played for Milan and thought he was still well regarded there.

I doubt he would have brought nationality into it but who knows, I guess.

homerjay2005

am i the only person that sees nothing wrong with what jordan said, if thats what he said......thats normal, heat of the moment stuff, ive no problem with it and theres nothing wrong with that IMO. doesnt need to be said of course, but i could think of a lot worse things that could be said and they are making a big deal out of it.

no excuse for gatusso, he acted like psycho all night.

Xavi6

homerjay2005 wrote: »

am i the only person that sees nothing wrong with what jordan said, if thats what he said......thats normal, heat of the moment stuff, ive no problem with it and theres nothing wrong with that IMO. doesnt need to be said of course, but i could think of a lot worse things that could be said and they are making a big deal out of it.

no excuse for gatusso, he acted like psycho all night.

If it was Drogba and Jordan called him a black bastard would that be ok too?

Smokin_Aces

Wasn't there a near bust up between Pires and Jordan a few weeks ago? Anyways whatever Jordan said, Gattuso should have not attacked him.

CSF

Smokin_Aces wrote: »

Wasn't there a near bust up between Pires and Jordan a few weeks ago? Anyways whatever Jordan said, Gattuso should have not attacked him.

I'd always tolerate violence towards racism. I would not advocate it, or advise it, but I would definitely show tolerance in the face of such scummery.

homerjay2005

Xavi6 wrote: »

If it was Drogba and Jordan called him a black bastard would that be ok too?

well see, that opens up the whats acceptable or not and what people will state as racism or not. take for instance, i can say gareth bale looks like a monkey,cos well, he does. nobody gets offended with that. however, if gareth bale was not welsh and not white, there would be huge issues with that. there lies the difference, it may not be fair, but thats the way the world tends to work.

would you get offended somebody calling you an ir*sh bastard? it wouldnt offend me one bit. ive been called worse and called people worse on a football pitch and there were no headbuts involved.

tony1kenobi

Xavi6 wrote: »

If it was Drogba and Jordan called him a black bastard would that be ok too?

What country are black from?

billymitchell

Xavi6 wrote: »

If it was Drogba and Jordan called him a black bastard would that be ok too?

In terms of selling newspapers and the media making a big deal about things.....

racism > sexism > nationalism

MR NINE

I remember a thread on here a while ago where a lot of people defended/justified Zidanes actions in 2006 while I argued, as part of a very small minority, that what he did was completely unjustifiable. To see the same people vilifying Gattuso is absurd. I dunno if its some sort of anti-Italian bias but its just laughable to be honest. I have always liked Gattuso but I'll admit what he did was extremely stupid.

Bodhisopha

I have no sympathy for Jordan who let's face it, **** it and hid behind Bassong (i think (who **** it himself) ). That said, Gatusso should not have taken the bait, and was himself out of order.

Xavi6

homerjay2005 wrote: »

well see, that opens up the whats acceptable or not and what people will state as racism or not. take for instance, i can say gareth bale looks like a monkey,cos well, he does. nobody gets offended with that. however, if gareth bale was not welsh and not white, there would be huge issues with that. there lies the difference, it may not be fair, but thats the way the world tends to work.

would you get offended somebody calling you an ir*sh bastard? it wouldnt offend me one bit. ive been called worse and called people worse on a football pitch and there were no headbuts involved.

Yep and I have done during a game. No problem being called a prick or whatever else but I will take exception if Irish or Paddy is included before it.

I don't see how racism is bad but nationalism isn't. Two peas in a pod for me.

tony1kenobi wrote: »

What country are black from?

Ok so nationalism is tolerable? I see them all as forms of prejudice.

You can call someone a f*cking bastard without a word in the middle, unless you're a xenophobe.

Paparazzo

Gattuso was as calm and cool all night. It was completely Joe Jordans comments at the end that turned him into a lunatic.

Xavi6 wrote: »

If it was Drogba and Jordan called him a black bastard would that be ok too?

What are you talking about? If he took out a knife and stabbed a fan would that be ok too? It didn't happen!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jgBATrZcKGg

tony1kenobi

Xavi6 wrote: »

You can call someone a f*cking bastard without a word in the middle, unless you're a xenophobe.

Course you can. But Joe Jordan would never be labelled as a progressive type.And in this instance I think his verbal should be taken as an observation rather than an insult. Gatusso IS a "f*cking Italian bastard".....just replace the word bastard with "Joey Barton".

Nailz

Insect Overlord wrote: »

There were very clear shots of his face while he was face-to-face with Gattuso. It wouldn't be very difficult for a qualified lip-reader to decipher what was said.

How accurate are lip readers??? 90-95% I've read, something like that, not definitive evidence in my eyes, we have to know for a fact. I have my doubts he said something like that, just the the agent trying his arm at justifying the headbutt while trying to get the public on Guttuso's side, as m@cc@ said. Not that it should warrant any type of ban either, if he did say it.

Xavi6

Paparazzo wrote: »

What are you talking about? If he took out a knife and stabbed a fan would that be ok too? It didn't happen!

Clearly you can't see the correlation between my analogy and what happened so I won't waste my time explaining why it's relevant and yours is sh*t.

tony1kenobi wrote: »

Course you can. But Joe Jordan would never be labelled as a progressive type.And in this instance I think his verbal should be taken as an observation rather than an insult. Gatusso IS a "f*cking Italian bastard".....just replace the word bastard with "Joey Barton".

So next time Drogba dives it'll be ok to call him a black cheating bastard?

Yes or no will do.

wandatowell

who cares???

Jordan is an assistant manager and Gattuso is past it.

Shame this issue is taking the attention from what was a great night for the spurs

carlop

tony1kenobi wrote: »

Course you can. But Joe Jordan would never be labelled as a progressive type.And in this instance I think his verbal should be taken as an observation rather than an insult. Gatusso IS a "f*cking Italian bastard".....just replace the word bastard with "Joey Barton".

I presume you're joking, comparing Gatusso and Barton is ridiculous. What he did last night was out of order and he's obviously at times a bit too wound up, but he's nowhere near being Joey Barton.

The man is a World Cup-winner and was an integral part of a Milan side that dominated Europe in in the last decade. He plays with an incredible passion that at times boils over, but he is not a scumbag with a history of assault like Joey Barton.

CR 7

Xavi6 wrote: »

Clearly you can't see the correlation between my analogy and what happened so I won't waste my time explaining why it's relevant and yours is sh*t.



So next time Drogba dives it'll be ok to call him a black cheating bastard?

Yes or no will do.

Do you think calling Rooney 'The White Pele' is racist? And if yes, to who?

dannydiamond

Xavi6 wrote: »

So next time Drogba dives it'll be ok to call him a black cheating bastard?

He's quite clearly an Ivorian cheating bastard.

Xavi6

Park Ji Sung wrote: »

Do you think calling Rooney 'The White Pele' is racist? And if yes, to who?

No because there are no negative connotations in the context it's used.

Look if I'm wrong I'm wrong, I won't lose any sleep, but I don't see the need for the extra adjective when insulting someone. Their nationality, colour or whatever else has zero to do with them being a f*cking prick so why bring it into it?

tony1kenobi

Xavi6 wrote: »

So next time Drogba dives it'll be ok to call him a black cheating bastard?

Yes or no will do.

A no will not do becuae you are attempting to lead the answer.To call Drogba a "black bastard",a "black cheating bastard" or a "cheating bastard" would all be ok as far as I am concerned....but you appear to have a hang up on race.I have no issue with you describing Drogba as a "black bastard"if that is your thing.It's just replacing a verb with an adjective.Same thing.Calling Drogba a "c*nt" however, is a universally appealing noun.

MR NINE

calling someone a f*cking italian bastard, IMO, implies that you think the fact that they're Italian is a bad thing. If I call a gay man a f*cking gay bastard, am I slagging them for being gay? calling someone a f*cking italian bastard implies that you're slagging them for being Italian, why else would you include the fact that they're Italian in your insult.

Xavi6

MR NINE wrote: »

calling someone a f*cking italian bastard, IMO, implies that you think the fact that they're Italian is a bad thing. If I call a gay man a f*cking gay bastard, am I slagging them for being gay? calling someone a f*cking italian bastard implies that you're slagging them for being Italian, why else would you include the fact that they're Italian in your insult.

^^^^

Exactly what was I was trying to get at, thank you.

deisedevil

How many players get abused week in, week out? How many act like Gattuso did?

Players shouldn't have to listen to abuse from anyone but they can't headbutt them for it just like I can't headbutt someone in the street if he shouts abuse at me.

If Joe Jordan gets a ban then imagine the future bans, where will it end?

tony1kenobi

MR NINE wrote: »

calling someone a f*cking italian bastard, IMO, implies that you think the fact that they're Italian is a bad thing. If I call a gay man a f*cking gay bastard, am I slagging them for being gay? calling someone a f*cking italian bastard implies that you're slagging them for being Italian, why else would you include the fact that they're Italian in your insult.

Impulse and tolerance.

Probably neither of which are high on a footballers schooling.They are probably handling stickabricks about that time.

eagle eye

Xavi6 wrote: »

If it was Drogba and Jordan called him a black bastard would that be ok too?

Yes it would. If he used some other word though like for instance some that begins with n then he would be very wrong.

niallo27

I wondering were people defending that palace fan that cantona kicked as much as they are defending Jordan, situations aren't that unsimilar

eagle eye

MR NINE wrote: »

calling someone a f*cking italian bastard, IMO, implies that you think the fact that they're Italian is a bad thing. If I call a gay man a f*cking gay bastard, am I slagging them for being gay? calling someone a f*cking italian bastard implies that you're slagging them for being Italian, why else would you include the fact that they're Italian in your insult.

I don't think it does.

niallo27

deisedevil wrote: »

How many players get abused week in, week out? How many act like Gattuso did?

Players shouldn't have to listen to abuse from anyone but they can't headbutt them for it just like I can't headbutt someone in the street if he shouts abuse at me.

If Joe Jordan gets a ban then imagine the future bans, where will it end?

Well if a member of staff comes on the field to argue with a player and provoke him then used he should be banned

deisedevil

niallo27 wrote: »

Well if a member of staff comes on the field to argue with a player and provoke him then used he should be banned

Actually your right. I wouldn't think there would be much point in a ban for whatever he said but the fact he came out of his area and on to the pitch in the first place would be enough to show he made every effort to provoke the player.

CR 7

Xavi6 wrote: »

No because there are no negative connotations in the context it's used.

Look if I'm wrong I'm wrong, I won't lose any sleep, but I don't see the need for the extra adjective when insulting someone. Their nationality, colour or whatever else has zero to do with them being a f*cking prick so why bring it into it?

I don't think it's racist either, but calling Pele 'The Black Rooney' probably would be seen as racist.

Just tagging on a race or a nationality to an insult shouldn't necessarily make the insult racist, even if that was the intent.

Blatter

eagle eye wrote: »

Yes it would. If he used some other word though like for instance some that begins with n then he would be very wrong.

You think it's perfectly acceptable to call Drogba a cheating black bastard if he dives?

Are you on drugs?

Nailz

niallo27 wrote: »

Well if a member of staff comes on the field to argue with a player and provoke him then used he should be banned

I disagree, he shouldn't. But they were both arguing with each other, Guttuso might've even have said something to Jordan as well, except Jordan had the respectability to not say anything, hypothetically speaking of course.

niallo27

Nailz wrote: »

I disagree, he shouldn't. But they were both arguing with each other, Guttuso might've even have said something to Jordan as well, except Jordan had the respectability to not say anything, hypothetically speaking of course.

Jordan knew guttuso was wound up, and he had a go at him, why would guttuso pick out Jordan, he is a nobody

yosemite_sam

Bodhisopha wrote: »

I have no sympathy for Jordan who let's face it, **** it and hid behind Bassong (i think (who **** it himself) ). That said, Gatusso should not have taken the bait, and was himself out of order.

What did you want Jordan to do, chin him?

MR NINE

niallo27 wrote: »

I wondering were people defending that palace fan that cantona kicked as much as they are defending Jordan, situations aren't that unsimilar

They are very unsimilar. Cantona fly-kicked a guy. Gattuso nudged his head into another guys face. The type of head butt Gattuso is guilty of is one I have seen many times before on a football pitch. I've seen people throw similar "headbutts" and the recipient has gone to ground clutching his face and pundits/players/boardsies alike have lambasted the recipient for making a big deal of nothing.

For the record, I don't condone what Gattuso did, but you are plainly and simply wrong to say his offence and Cantonas offence are similar.

EDIT - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0XpEoCvW2Wo is this similar to what Cantona did?

yosemite_sam

Park Ji Sung wrote: »

Do you think calling Rooney 'The White Pele' is racist? And if yes, to who?

Rooney would not lace Pele's boots, there is only a fuss about him because he plays in a Red shirt.

niallo27

MR NINE wrote: »

They are very unsimilar. Cantona fly-kicked a guy. Gattuso nudged his head into another guys face. The type of head butt Gattuso is guilty of is one I have seen many times before on a football pitch. I've seen people throw similar "headbutts" and the recipient has gone to ground clutching his face and pundits/players/boardsies alike have lambasted the recipient for making a big deal of nothing.

For the record, I don't condone what Gattuso did, but you are plainly and simply wrong to say his offence and Cantonas offence are similar.

EDIT - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0XpEoCvW2Wo is this similar to what Cantona did?

My point more was did people feel as sorry for that palace fan as they did Jordan