Airsoft talk on FM104

Inari

Had enough...topic bores me now.

Popcorn & movie time! Rambo 4 anyone?

LawlessBoy

thy twist your words..... my mum is talkin and its only hitting the radio about 2 mins later? theyre playing what they like.

thermo

like this new guy

TNTQ

Inari wrote: »

Had enough...topic bores me now.

Popcorn & movie time! Rambo 4 anyone?

Big Fat Gypsy Wedding is better craic :P

deepimpact

Still waiting on a reply to my emails. Does anyone have a direct number because noone is answering the reception desk.

LawlessBoy

let it ring, you will get through eventully.

KonFusion

Wouldn't get this on Vincent Browne :P

Stonewolf

A car pulled out in front of me on the motorbike the other day and jaysus I was terrified! We should ban cars!

Leftyflip

Right, who's this Mark guy? Own up!
Wooo HRTA reg!

LawlessBoy

Well done Derek !!

TNTQ

Anyone give me a lift to blanch tonight?

Witcher

Derek if you read this: fair play to ya, you did a brilliant job..hero:)

Same to any who called in and pushed the positive side:)

Anyway...night:P

DoBhrionn

Derek you defended this sport amazingly!!
Congrats!!!

TNTQ

Fair play Derek...

Right, I'm off to finish DEAD SPACE 2......

Airsoft Reloded

Were not closed anymore Derek AAAAAAAAAHHHHHHH.

I wanted to call;

Hi, eh.... The place in Tallaght is open :pac:

Seriously though, fair play Derek.

Christian.Kelly

Great job ! Defended the sport brilliantly:)
Though, I sorta feel sorry for the likely hood of M.I.A getting a lot of messages now saying the same thing over and over again :rolleyes:

FingalAirsoft

Again Derek does the sport proud:):) Did any of the IAA get on the show? I only caught the last 10 minutes or so.

Stonewolf

Good job Derek.

Also well done to that guy who came on at the end talking about how if it's not football in this country you may as well forget it, too bloody right!

TNTQ

deepimpact

FingalAirsoft wrote: »

Again Derek does the sport proud:):) Did any of the IAA get on the show? I only caught the last 10 minutes or so.

No. Not for lack of trying though.

Well done to Derek btw.

OddysAirsoft

As it happened I actually rang the show to support Airsoft AND not to leave Derek as airsoft's LONE voice!

The nice lady who answered the phone asked me a simple question -'' who are you for -Derek or against him!''

I suggest you re-read that!

So the show is loaded - we all know that but I do feel passionate enough to defend a sport I love - and also feel I am articulate enough to take most on.


What really enrages me though is the general apathy on here from my fellow airsofters who believe that if you keep your head down or stay in the closet then nobody will notice you and you will be able to go about your sport in a peaceful manner!!!

It is time we ALL realised that this will never work and we must promote it as positively as we can to the general public - and use paintball as a yardstick to do so!

There is a battle coming for airsoft whether people accept it or not, and the more people out there who at least understand a little of what we do, the easier it will be for us to hold our ground.


My real big question is where was the IAA?

Damo 2k9

scanlant wrote: »

Still waiting on a reply to my emails. Does anyone have a direct number because noone is answering the reception desk.

scanlant wrote: »

They have my contact details for the last while, they still haven't contacted me. Not that I'm surprised. I'll send another email and try to phone in a sec.

OddysAirsoft wrote: »

My real big question is where was the IAA?

Trying to contact them it seems

Witcher

OddysAirsoft wrote: »

My real big question is where was the IAA?

As you can see from Scanlant's post they were trying to get through but couldn't

Edit: Damo in first:P

Evade

OddysAirsoft wrote: »

As it happened I actually rang the show to support Airsoft AND not to leave Derek as airsoft's LONE voice!

I would have liked to ring in but I chose not too for a couple of reasons: I don't like the sound of my own voice, I wouldn't have been able to stay as calm with all the morons on the other side and I'm not adequately prepared with all the facts and figures I'd need to know off the top of my head to refute all the stupid claims.

In the end I (like a lot of others I would imagine) would have done more harm than good.

joe stodge

OddysAirsoft wrote: »

My real big question is where was the IAA?

thats a very good question!

Decoy

OddysAirsoft wrote: »

My real big question is where was the IAA?

What makes you think they actually wanted to talk to anybody in the IAA, or allow any more than the token couple of supporters on the air? We all know the show is biased, Derek did exceptionally well under the circumstances.

JonnyTwoCombs

Does anyone know what prompted the topic on the show.

Witcher

JonnyTwoCombs wrote: »

Does anyone know what prompted the topic on the show.

Some guy texted in to the show saying he was shot in the face with an airsoft gun and wanted 'dem banned':)

richieffff

Is there a podcast or something of the show, would like to listen to it?

deepimpact

OddysAirsoft wrote: »

My real big question is where was the IAA?

4 emails, 3 separate phone numbers and quite a bit of my time diverted away from my actual job (prep work for tomorrow). That was what I was doing. I'm not sure about the rest of the lads.

We always are looking for volunteers, including for PRO work. There is plenty of work to go around. If you'd like to volunteer, info@irishairsoft.ie is the email address.

JonnyTwoCombs

Blay wrote: »

Some guy texted in to the show saying he was shot in the face with an airsoft gun and wanted 'dem banned':)

Maybe he should have been wearing safety glass's

Althought it sounds more like the guy just wanted to have a bit of a winge.

gerrowadat

OddysAirsoft wrote: »

As it happened I actually rang the show to support Airsoft AND not to leave Derek as airsoft's LONE voice!

The nice lady who answered the phone asked me a simple question -'' who are you for -Derek or against him!''

I suggest you re-read that!

So the show is loaded - we all know that but I do feel passionate enough to defend a sport I love - and also feel I am articulate enough to take most on.


What really enrages me though is the general apathy on here from my fellow airsofters who believe that if you keep your head down or stay in the closet then nobody will notice you and you will be able to go about your sport in a peaceful manner!!!

It is time we ALL realised that this will never work and we must promote it as positively as we can to the general public - and use paintball as a yardstick to do so!

Even though it's not supposed to be one, this will end up being good PR for airsoft. Seriously, have you listened to Adrian Kennedy ever? He makes his living from having thicko pensioners and bored cab drivers ring in and give out.

There is a battle coming for airsoft whether people accept it or not, and the more people out there who at least understand a little of what we do, the easier it will be for us to hold our ground.

There isn't a battle coming for Airsoft, the battle for Airsoft was won by the 2008 and 2009 IAA committees by basically holding the DoJs hand while they wrote the legislation.

My real big question is where was the IAA?

Adrian Kennedy isn't about to get two voices of reason on at the same time -- it's not how he runs his show. I talked to researchers from Spin 103, Liveline, 2FM and a few other regional stations while on the IAA committee -- the minute they hear the voice of reason, they lose interest. It's only mongs like kennedy that don't do any research that end up having it backfire by getting a good talker like Derek on to stymie his plans to get the curtain-twitchers all riled up over their pre-bed cocoa.

NakedDex

It didn't take long for the "where were the IAA" shouting to start, did it?

Standard procedure for this show is to avoid, at all costs, any contact with people who actually have official backing on the subject. They'll allow one, maybe two, people on the show who have a direct connection to the topic, for or against, but without that official backing, and then proceed to flood them with callers of the opposing standpoint.
The entire show is the telephone equivalent of siege warfare. You've got, seemingly, the world against you and no access to back-up of any description. Your task is to either hold out until they run out of calls, destroy your position with mindless drivel or they figure out they're not going to defeat your argument and change the topic/cut you off.

I didn't hear it because I only just found out about it, but I probably wouldn't have listened anyway. That show is a train wreck. You actually lose IQ points listening to it.

thermo

for those asking where were the IAA? i ask where were you?

Airsoft Reloded

I'm sure like a few of us (including the IAA) they weren't allowed on because we said pro airsoft :mad:

Inari

Just to clarify:

One of THE main reasons people say not to get involved is so you do not do the sport/hobby more damage than good by coming across as a gun nut, tripping up over yourself etc.

These people (radio presenters) make their money by getting ratings, and you get ratings by entertaining people. They WILL try and trip you up, and they mostly succeed. If you go in unprepared, it doesn't matter a damn how articulate you are...only A) how much you know how calm you can remain C) how fast you can think and D) how much you can remember.

There are people who are great at this, and Derek Talbot really flourished tonight, I have to say. But it really is better to leave this to those who have the skills. I'm saying you (plural) don't have them, but unless you're 100% sure of it, better off leaving it.

PS: I was once on an interview promoting Parkour/Free Running, where they tried to blame the discipline for someone jumping into the Liffey. That is how low they will go to stir ****e. Thankfully I prepare for stuff like that, and am well used to it...but they will try anything

hightower1

I suppose the one recourse is that the likes of this radio show dont ACTUALLY care about airsoft one way or another and their listeners are quite clearly a specific class of intelligence and as a result have very short memories for things like this also. Give it until the morning news in a few hours with word of something with "minister" in it and they can be red in the face about that for the next few days.


I will only be worried for the past time when someone has a vocal,intelligent and more importantly - long term campaign against it.

fayer

joe stodge wrote: »

thats a very good question!

From the start they where trying to get on, show's like that do not want to talk to the IAA and it will kill there topic and take away all the juicy scandal. The IAA made great efforts to contact the show, the producers simply dont want sane people on the air. By all accounts Derek played a blinder, fair play. If the show carries another story on this topic you will find that they might not want Derek back as he didnt give them what they wanted.

fayer

gerrowadat wrote: »

There isn't a battle coming for Airsoft, the battle for Airsoft was won by the 2008 and 2009 IAA committees by basically holding the DoJs hand while they wrote the legislation.

+1

Puding

i always think the after show thread is always far more interesting that the show itself....

we must be thankful that the research for these shows is not always that thought out because if someone actually bothered to read half the stuff on boards and other sources about Irish airsoft they would have a field day, so we managed to ..

insult the intelligence of a show and its listeners ( the fact the number of listeners easily outnumber the number of airsoft playing in ireland by a long way it is not good to pock the bear ) - Check

Start fighting amongst yourselves - Check

Faction A and faction B start the same old arguments, thought thinly valid posts and there appointed champions - Check


The fact is to the vast percentage of the population where a bunch of werdos and nothing is going to change that, we run around in camo and the replicas and play soldier. This is not going to change, does not matter what your would like to happen. We are the minority, and if we have learned anything policy is dictated by the majority and public opinion, so these types of shows can have a big impact, they are the majority.

We had lots of shouts and screams about do not go on the show because of the damage it can do, we need to look a little closer to home as damage is being done every day with how we present ourselves as a community on boards and other publicly available sources.

We have a nice piece of paper to say we are 'relatively safe' but from where i stand and from talking to other people we have far more chance of destroying yourselves at the moment. We need to loss the ghost of the past and grow up a little

Early morning rant over, know off to get a cup of tea.

bullets

Anyone got the Audio ?
Dont listen to the radio normally in work/home apart from the News.

Tried listening to the FM104 phoneshow confessions podcast via the webpage but it wont go past "buffering" and I reckon it wont have yesterdays show on yet.

~B

TheDoc

OddysAirsoft wrote: »

What really enrages me though is the general apathy on here from my fellow airsofters who believe that if you keep your head down or stay in the closet then nobody will notice you and you will be able to go about your sport in a peaceful manner!!!

Experience in this regard shows there is literally a handful of people who have experience in dealing live on air with these topics. Most people think they can and then end up making an absolute hash of it. So it wasnt a bury the head in the sand, it was a simple case that in the past far too many people have tried getting in touch to defend the sport and trip themselves up.

It is time we ALL realised that this will never work and we must promote it as positively as we can to the general public - and use paintball as a yardstick to do so!

Airsoft isnt dying a death with 5 people turning up at the weekend is it? Promotion has its own thread and its merits. But airsoft is more a hobby/community then paintball which is hungy hungy put your money in my mouth now industry
And to be honest airsoft sites havnt developed anywhere near the point of holding high numbers en mass to have enjoyable gameplay, so why scream for more to join at this stage? Are we in trouble numberwise?

There is a battle coming for airsoft whether people accept it or not, and the more people out there who at least understand a little of what we do, the easier it will be for us to hold our ground.

Your literally me in 2009. Then I realised that I wasn't invading the North to reclaim the six counties. Airsoft is perfectly safe, ( as Puding said the damage is internally and nationally within the game) and the Adrian Kennedy phoneshow , or any phone show, is not going to be the leading line in any change coming to us, but more then enough work has been done to ensure that the sport is safe for the future and how we decide to grow is up to us. ( standing in shopping centres handing out flyers isnt growing the sprot either)

My real big question is where was the IAA?

The IAA contacted the show from what I gather and simply were not contacted back. And why should the IAA bother, in all honesty. I don't see why there should be a forlorne panic to get on the air for defence when these shows arise.

They purposefully do not contact the IAA in any of these shows in advance to extend and invite, because that is boring factual intellectual conversation. Its better when Tomo tells you how his airsoft slingbacker killed 5 grannies from the noise.

What I'd like to see is simple IAA publications on their main site simply, small
press releases, if they are going to do anything, just outlining how they were not invited.

I'd also like a very clear portion/link that states " Contact details for media outlets" or something of the sort.

IAA are a voluntery organisation, they cant sit on the edge of the chair in waiting for airsoft topics to pop up on the radio, especially trash radio. And again, they got in touch, didnt get a call back.

So seriously, calm down, put down your pitchfork and chill out.

These shows always get blown out of proportion.

We all need to have a relook at Toy Story 1 and 2 and see how people, properly deal with crisis

hightower1

Puding wrote: »

we managed to ..

insult the intelligence of a show and its listeners ( the fact the number of listeners easily outnumber the number of airsoft playing in ireland by a long way it is not good to pock the bear ) - Check

Start fighting amongst yourselves - Check

Faction A and faction B start the same old arguments, thought thinly valid posts and there appointed champions - Check.

If you feel this strongly against the boards airsoft community I'm pretty sure no one is making you stay?

I dont think anyone here needs to be preached to from on high.

TheDoc

hightower1 wrote: »

If you feel this strongly against the boards airsoft community I'm pretty sure no one is making you stay?

I dont think anyone here needs to be preached to from on high.

No offence to yourself, but I think there is alot of wrong in that statement.
The actual fact is that, well yeah he can preach from high.

Granted puding is a very mannerly and level headed bloke who properly wont accept praise, but he has just about every right to preach from high.

Through the years he has provided exceptional support to players for technical issues, advantagous advice to consumers on purchasing matters. He started a tremendous thread that kept everyone in the loop regarding airsoft news. And his insights into the " political" and "moral" threads are always a great read. He has great experience from workig i nthe airsoft industry in both retail and sites and is a seasoned traveller always at hand with great tips and information for first time airsoft travellers.

So from three lines you can see his posting CV trumps most in here.

Its your sort of response that in fairness drives away the experienced and worthwhile posters, cause as much as you might not be interested in taking some advice from an expereicned head, there has been more then 8 occasions when we have lsot experienced posters because they don't want to take pony from inexperienced newcomers.

So while your comment contains come validity, I guess it might not hold alot of water.

Because in all honesty, there are people in here whose opinion does stand on higher ground to be outright and frank, and they have just about every right to preach, and in most cases, posters are too ignorant and stupid to accept the information been handed to them.

I'll remember to ask you next time when it comes to asking a technical question about specialist Russian equipment.....o....wait....no I won't..I'll ask Puding : /

This place still amazes me...

I'm not trying to drive a wedge, and if anyone says the word " elitism" after this I'll smash my pc, but there should be some common deceny and a little bit of respect for veteran posters, and atleast make an attempt at replying properly should you disagree with a point instead of playing the "elitist" card....sigh

Puding

hightower1 wrote: »

If you feel this strongly against the boards airsoft community I'm pretty sure no one is making you stay?

I dont think anyone here needs to be preached to from on high.

I choice to be a part of this community because I want to try a be proactive, I'm invoked in othe communitys and projects for the same reason, I choice to try and do this rather than walk away when walking away is by far the easyier option.

Preaching? Maybe , but tbh it is no more than half the threads and posts in boards. Instead of burning the witch it may be more constructive to point out why my views are wrong?

hightower1

TheDoc wrote: »

I'm not trying to drive a wedge, and if anyone says the word " elitism" after this I'll smash my pc, but there should be some common deceny and a little bit of respect for veteran posters, and atleast make an attempt at replying properly should you disagree with a point instead of playing the "elitist" card....sigh

Didnt realize there was a class system in place on boards?
One mans word holds as much weight as anothers here imo.
If the worlds most foremost expert on airsoft just started posting on boards with a post count of 5 does that mean his opinion is less than that of someone with a higher post count?

For someone who seems to hate the term "elitisim" your endorsing it very well.

If someone is being helpful and informative I dont care what they have done in the past I will thank them, transversly if someone is being preachy I will note tht also regardless.

This is very far off topic here but my original point is that no one apprechiates being talked down to by anyone based on a thread reply on a topic. All it serves to do is whinge and irritate.

Airsoft Reloded

eh...... ELITISM :pac:

Stone.cold

and the p1ssing contest begins,

so here's an outside view for ya, I didn't hear the show but I got a phonecall this morning from one of those bored cab drivers up in dublin, who knows I airsoft but has little r no idea what it is. any way his 1st question to me was why did I play a game obviously designed for kids, why was someone who makes money out of us all the only voice represnting us on the show and why would anyone want their kids running around shooting at other kids. so it appears the show didn't cast airsoft in a great light to the average joe soap. I tried in vain to point out only a small part of airsoft was discussed on the show, he made reference to the site that was talked about parents bring their 12yr old kids to it, to which he asked why do adults shoot at kids. oh and a big thanks to Derek Talbot for once again being the voice of airsoft in ireland

TheDoc

hightower1 wrote: »

Didnt realize there was a class system in place on boards?

A touch of nievity there, cause there is a very well organised and ranked class system on boards.
Please refer back to the numerous mod discussions and how mods are seleceted along with the general tone and vibe of most forums and you will probably see there is a very healthy vibrant lower,middle and upper class system rocking its socks out on boards.

One mans word holds as much weight as anothers here imo.

Very much debateable. When your around these parts a while you get to know peoples personal agendas and such which influence their posting and also just their general demenor and allegiences which can in alot of cases make their opinion irrelevant in certain discussions.

If the worlds most foremost expert on airsoft just started posting on boards with a post count of 5 does that mean his opinion is less than that of someone with a higher post count?

Probably wouldn't because his posts would hopefully convey that. Post count isnt a method of judging peoples posting ability, but its a joking way that measures it. But you only have to look at low post count posters, especially around adverts, to see why sometimes that train of thought is taken seriously .

For someone who seems to hate the term "elitisim" your endorsing it very well.

I'm a long time poster with a very blunt and sometimes aggresive opinion, that has been noted on many occasions as being appreciated. I dont post to gain attention, thank counts or to elevate myelf to a level of personal elitism, its simply because I have something valid to say, or want to say.

In the instance above I didn't feel comfortable reading your post, and walking by it without response. I found it disrespectful and in point one of the most fundamental flaws of this community, simply disregarding the voice/opinion and advice of those with bagloads of experience and the sort of voices that forge new players into well schooled long term players.
And its the sort of short sighted attitudes and incorrect calls of " elitism" that has driven all those experienced players away from the game, and more so here, which invariably reduces the resources available to us.

I learned my game from the right people and from some of the games longest serving players, some who still post here, and it made me inot an honest competitive player.
And I've also been able to post my opinions knowing I've burnt some bridges with people, but most would agree I'm a very approachable person on the field and have no problems chatting to anyone.

If someone is being helpful and informative I dont care what they have done in the past I will thank them, transversly if someone is being preachy I will note tht also regardless.

I didn't hint that anyone needs to have a background check before they post some advice or tips, my point is that there is some people whos opinions and advice carry a little extra weight because of the person voicing them, I'm pretty sure thats jsut life and isnt some sort of boards thing.

my original point is that no one apprechiates being talked down to by anyone based on a thread reply on a topic. All it serves to do is whinge and irritate.

Causing offence is a personal matter. There is a clear instance where you feel you have got preached too. So its really only an issue with yourself who has had the whinge as such and got irrated by it. Anyone else would really read that for what it was, experienced poster vocing his opinion.

I don't really mind the thread has gone off topic, as Puding said, after the show is whenthe thread gets interesting and here we go again.

But I genuinely think its more an issue with yourself receiving personal insult from something that wasnt even aimed at you, but instead was a tongue in cheek remark forcasting what was coming, which inevitably he was correct in forseeing as it has , inevitably...happend.

sci-ops

oh Jaysus.......Just made it to the last page and I'm getting a headache.............please make it stop....or you'll start to make baby jaysus cry.