Ryan Giggs

bullvine

Iang87 wrote: »

Not sure about best ever but in my top 3 I'd have scholes in there but how can that be possible because i'm a liverpool fan.

Honestly you and the guy who said it first are the only 2 I've ever seen make reference to Giggs being the best footballer in the premiership ever.

Time for a poll....

Giggs has made a valuable contribution to every singe United title winning season, especially post Christmas when the league is won like for example..

-2003, scored the equalizer in title decider at Arsenal
-2007, scored the equalizer away to Fulham
-2008. scored the second goal to beat Wigan, winning the league.
-2009, scored the winner at Upton Park were United have a terrible record
-2011, moved to Centre Midfield, phenomenal performances in the last 10 - 15 matches of the season with Fletcher out injured..

Iang87

bullvine wrote: »

Time for a poll....

Giggs has made a valuable contribution to every singe United title winning season, especially post Christmas when the league is won like for example..

-2003, scored the equalizer in title decider at Arsenal
-2007, scored the equalizer away to Fulham
-2008. scored the second goal to beat Wigan, winning the league.
-2009, scored the winner at Upton Park were United have a terrible record
-2011, moved to Centre Midfield, phenomenal performances in the last 10 - 15 matches of the season with Fletcher out injured..

You're joking surely, Sarcasm doesnt travel across the internet well but you must be joking. West ham, wigan, fulham, replacing darren fletcher. Christ

bullvine

Iang87 wrote: »

You're joking surely, Sarcasm doesnt travel across the internet well but you must be joking. West ham, wigan, fulham, replacing darren fletcher. Christ

-He scored vital goals against Wigan and Fulham away from home, what so hard to understand about that, I said he made vital contributions which would involve scoring key goals.
-United have beaten West Ham around twice at Upton Park in 20 years!
-The same Fletcher who was in the PFA team of the year the previous season.

thebaz

Iang87 wrote: »

Greatest footballer in the premiership? Really,

yeah, really - huhh

Iang87

I'm amazed anyone would have giggs ahead of scholes as United's greatest ever premier league player that's before you even consider other teams. Either way people are clearly deluded or trolling so I'll just stop

Skylinehead

tallaghtmick wrote: »

Playing at 40 and the most league titles for a player, dominated the left wing for years and has done well centrally, yeh I would say that makes him the best.

He's the best only on consistency and titles won. Certainly nowhere near the best in terms of ability.

castletownman

I'm a United fan and I wouldn't even rate him as their best player in the PL era.

Scholes, Keane, Cantona, Ronaldo (for many one of the best of all-time. Think about it) all ahead of him in my opinion.

Longevity of career shouldn't be considered when analysing a player's greatness

Cantona's Collars

Haters gonna hate.

thebaz

Iang87 wrote: »

Either way people are clearly deluded or trolling so I'll just stop

speaking for yourself

SweepTheLeg

Henry is the premier leagues greatest player.

Yes I'm biased.

Skylinehead

zerks wrote: »

Haters gonna hate.

Who's hating?

Big Pussy Bonpensiero

Amazing the way he has escaped the hate that John Terry and Ashley Cole have considered he was shagging his brother's wife. Great player yes, but a despicable individual. Was disappointed when I heard that news as he was one of the more likeable professional players, but now I despise the man as a person. What a scummy thing to have done. Completely tarnished his legacy, for me anyway.

Big Pussy Bonpensiero

Skylinehead wrote: »

Who's hating?

:P

Agueroooo

THFC wrote: »

Amazing the way he has escaped the hate that John Terry and Ashley Cole have considered he was shagging his brother's wife. Great player yes, but a despicable individual. Was disappointed when I heard that news as he was one of the more likeable professional players, but now I despise the man as a person. What a scummy thing to have done. Completely tarnished his legacy, for me anyway.

on the pitch there is no denying his achievements.

off the pitch there is no hiding from his mistakes.

yohan the great

Iang87 wrote: »

I'm amazed anyone would have giggs ahead of scholes as United's greatest ever premier league player that's before you even consider other teams. Either way people are clearly deluded or trolling so I'll just stop

The same Scholes who didn't start in many games for club and country? Overrated player

Blatter

castletownman wrote: »

Longevity of career shouldn't be considered when analysing a player's greatness

What a silly thing to say, of course it should be considered. You can argue all you want about how much of a factor longevity should be considered and that's fair enough but to say it shouldn't be a factor at all when judging how great a player has been is ridiculous.

Big Pussy Bonpensiero

Agueroooo wrote: »

on the pitch there is no denying his achievements.

off the pitch there is no hiding from his mistakes.

Mistake is a very generous term for what he did.

But yes, agree completely. Fantastic player, but complimenting him is something I'd rather not because of his behaviour.

weldoninhio

Agueroooo wrote: »

on the pitch there is no denying his achievements.

off the pitch there is no hiding from his mistakes.

Going out, getting drunk and kissing/sleeping with a randomer is a mistake.

Having a full blown affair with your brothers wife is disgusting. I've no idea how he still has such a good name compared to others.

Agueroooo

THFC wrote: »

Mistake is a very generous term for what he did.

But yes, agree completely. Fantastic player, but complimenting him is something I'd rather not because of his behaviour.

Look I am no fan of Ryan Giggs the man, but I can appreciate what a great career he has had.

besides we all make mistakes - probably not the best word to use, but you catch my drift.

bullvine

As a previous poster said, its Giggs longevity and consistency that probably makes most people call him the greatest.

However, in 20 years he was never once in my opinion been the best player in the United team nor the first name on the team sheet unlike Cantona, Keane and Ronaldo have been.

There's a great article by James Lawton in today's Indo about it. Check it out.

Iang87

thebaz wrote: »

speaking for yourself

So you'll honestly stand over the statement that Ryan giggs is the greatest footballer the premiership ever seen.

Your head is up your hole if you think that, I'm not knocking giggs and didn't really at any stage but he's simply not

Super-Rush

weldoninhio wrote: »

Going out, getting drunk and kissing/sleeping with a randomer is a mistake.

Having a full blown affair with your brothers wife is disgusting. I've no idea how he still has such a good name compared to others.

Look its not like he done anything illegal, immoral yes but its not like he killed someone. People have affairs all the time in the real world and anyone outside those directly affected rarely bat an eyelid. Its nobodys business other than his own. People love to take the moral high ground when it suits.

Anyway, He is a great athlete and footballer and deserves the majority of the accolades he receives. However he is no way the greatest footballer the PL has ever seen. He's played with a few players who i would rate much higher and against a lot more.

SweepTheLeg

As people have already said, Giggs wouldn't even get in the best United midfield of his era. Let alone the best player in the leagues history, Jesus.

thebaz

Iang87 wrote: »

So you'll honestly stand over the statement that Ryan giggs is the greatest footballer the premiership ever seen.

Your head is up your hole if you think that, I'm not knocking giggs and didn't really at any stage but he's simply not

certainly sounds like your knocking giggs in your patronising snipes - i said i didn't rate him as a person , but over the course of the Premiership he has been the best player in my mind. you may not agree , and that fine , but less of the ****in personal ****

Iang87

thebaz wrote: »

certainly sounds like your knocking giggs in your patronising snipes - i said i didn't rate him as a person , but over the course of the Premiership he has been the best player in my mind. you may not agree , and that fine , but less of the ****in personal ****

What personal **** and where did I snipe.Its beyond me how you can think he's been the best player you'be ever seen in the premier league. Did you stop watching in 95

Mars Bar

Iang87 wrote: »

Your head is up your hole if you think that, I'm not knocking giggs and didn't really at any stage but he's simply not

Iang87 wrote: »

What personal **** and where did I snipe.Its beyond me how you can think he's been the best player you'be ever seen in the premier league. Did you stop watching in 95

I think he means this kind of talk. You can converse in a less aggressive manner in the future.

thebaz

Iang87 wrote: »

Did you stop watching in 95

i said consistent player of the premiership -

Kilnsman had one great year , does that make him great ?
Rooney , Cantona, Ronaldo, Bergkamp, Henry. Keane all had good seasons, even Ginola had a couple of good seasons, but Giggs has done it now for 20 years , sure not the best year in year out - but he has been exceptional every season, and in most games i have seen him play . Lets agree to disagree.

Iang87

Mars Bar wrote: »

I think he means this kind of talk. You can converse in a less aggressive manner in the future.

I feel the first point is valid given the nature of what he said and felt the second point was valid as its the only way he could logically think what he said

Iang87

thebaz wrote: »

yeah, really - huhh

No you said this after I put a question mark on your initial post. So you started with the attitude let alone a ridiculous point

AdamD

thebaz wrote: »

i said consistent player of the premiership -

Kilnsman had one great year , does that make him great ?
Rooney , Cantona, Ronaldo, Bergkamp, Henry. Keane all had good seasons, even Ginola had a couple of good seasons, but Giggs has done it now for 20 years , sure not the best year in year out - but he has been exceptional every season, and in most games i have seen him play . Lets agree to disagree.

He just hasn't though

Iang87

thebaz wrote: »

i said consistent player of the premiership -

Kilnsman had one great year , does that make him great ?
Rooney , Cantona, Ronaldo, Bergkamp, Henry. Keane all had good seasons, even Ginola had a couple of good seasons, but Giggs has done it now for 20 years , sure not the best year in year out - but he has been exceptional every season, and in most games i have seen him play . Lets agree to disagree.

You're putting far too much on the 20 years. I don't watch united week in but could someone tell me how often in the past10 years you would call him first choice.

Not being smart I genuinely am just not sure but I'd guess 3 maybe

SweepTheLeg

thebaz wrote: »

i said consistent player of the premiership -
Rooney , Cantona, Ronaldo, Bergkamp, Henry. Keane all had good seasons, even Ginola had a couple of good seasons, but Giggs has done it now for 20 years

I'd have all those players over Giggs. As or most consistent, I'd have Lampard over Giggs.

thebaz

Iang87 wrote: »

No you said this after I put a question mark on your initial post. So you started with the attitude let alone a ridiculous point

so who then is your favourite all time player for the premiership ? one name

Hank Scorpio

thebaz wrote: »

so who then is your favourite all time player for the premiership ? one name

Henry for me and I'm a united fan

He was out of this world

Iang87

thebaz wrote: »

so who then is your favourite all time player for the premiership ? one name

Favourite is Gerrard. Not saying he's the best though

thebaz

Iang87 wrote: »

Favourite is Gerrard. Not saying he's the best though

well I could equally sneer at Gerrard , but I'll be polite - he is a decent player and a much better person than giggs ever will be - butt remember opinions are just that. Good luck.

Iang87

thebaz wrote: »

well I could equally sneer at Gerrard , but I'll be polite - he is a decent player and a much better person than giggs ever will be - butt remember opinions are just that. Good luck.

Sneer cos he's my favourite, sneer away. You called giggs the best thats what i sneered at.

It feels like i'm arguing with 3 people

Nuri Sahin

While I don't I despise the guy by any means, I'd more inclined to agree with most of THFC's post. If you're a football fan, it was somewhat disappointing to hear what he was getting up too a couple of years ago or whenever that story about the affair with his brother's missus came out. No doubting talent and longevity though.

zerks wrote: »

Haters gonna hate.

Surprised you didn't post some Red Cafe inspired anti-LFC picture, though you probably meant haters as in Liverpool supporters anyway given your generalisations and admitted pure hatred in the past :pac:

bedrock#1

thebaz wrote: »

well I could equally sneer at Gerrard , but I'll be polite - he is a decent player and a much better person than giggs ever will be - butt remember opinions are just that. Good luck.

you're having a laugh, yeah?

http://www.theguardian.com/football/2009/jul/21/steven-gerrard-court-trial

The_Kew_Tour

THFC wrote: »

Amazing the way he has escaped the hate that John Terry and Ashley Cole have considered he was shagging his brother's wife. Great player yes, but a despicable individual. Was disappointed when I heard that news as he was one of the more likeable professional players, but now I despise the man as a person. What a scummy thing to have done. Completely tarnished his legacy, for me anyway.

He didnt

While we are on that subject yes what he did was as low a thing you could do to your brother. Maybe the lowest without a prison sentence involved. Totally agree there.

But he did not escape the hate.

You're just looking for drama.

SweepTheLeg

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

He didnt

While we are on that subject yes what he did was as low a thing you could do to your brother. Maybe the lowest without a prison sentence involved. Totally agree there.

But he did not escape the hate.

You're just looking for drama.

Giggs doesn't get half the hate Cole & Terry gets, especially Terry. Considering what Giggs did was the worst.

The_Kew_Tour

SweepTheLeg wrote: »

Giggs doesn't get half the hate Cole & Terry gets, especially Terry. Considering what Giggs did was the worst.

Show me this hate Terry gets?

SweepTheLeg

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

Show me this hate Terry gets?

Are you serious? Terry gets hate everywhere, If you don't know then you've been living under a rock. No point explaining.

corcaigh07

Not a Man United fan but Giggs isn't your best player of all time, he just gets talked about more because of that longevity. Ronaldo won ye titles on his own, he was double the player Giggs has ever been.

Keane, Schmichael, Scholes, Vidic, Van Nistelrooy all had bigger and more important impacts than Giggs imo.

Of course, he has still been an absolutely fantastic servant for Man United and a great player

The_Kew_Tour

SweepTheLeg wrote: »

Are you serious? Terry gets hate everywhere, If you don't know then you've been living under a rock. No point explaining.

He really does not. You need to stop being Drama Queen about this

Will I Amnt

corcaigh07 wrote: »

Not a Man United fan but Giggs isn't your best player of all time, he just gets talked about more because of that longevity. Ronaldo won ye titles on his own, he was double the player Giggs has ever been.

Keane, Schmichael, Scholes, Vidic, Van Nistelrooy all had bigger and more important impacts than Giggs imo.

Of course, he has still been an absolutely fantastic servant for Man United and a great player

Ronaldo will never be held in the same esteem as Giggs. Scholes is the only one you mentioned that will go down close to the legendary status he will have at the club.
Not the best player in regards ability (not far off either) but blows them out of the water when it comes to who will be better remembered in 20-30 years down the line for what they did for United.

Couldn't give a flying f**k about his private life either. I'm only concerned with what he does for Manchester United.

corcaigh07

Will I Amnt wrote: »

Ronaldo will never be held in the same esteem as Giggs. Scholes is the only one you mentioned that will go down close to the legendary status he will have at the club.
Not the best player in regards ability (not far off either) but blows them out of the water when it comes to who will be better remembered in 20-30 years down the line for what they did for United.

Couldn't give a flying f**k about his private life either. I'm only concerned with what he does for Manchester United.

maybe not because he left but no denying who is the more special player. Ronaldo won United titles, I'm not sure Giggs ever had the same impact

Will I Amnt

corcaigh07 wrote: »

maybe not because he left but no denying who is the more special player. Ronaldo won United titles, I'm not sure Giggs ever had the same impact

As I went on to allude to when I mentioned ability. Ronaldo won't ever be close to Giggs in the legendary status at United.

thebaz

bedrock#1 wrote: »

you're having a laugh, yeah?

http://www.theguardian.com/football/2009/jul/21/steven-gerrard-court-trial

maybe its me, but a bit of a dust up in bar , is still better than riding your brothers wife - certainly in my mind , and I have been defending Giggs here, all day from various snipes about his playing ability, which I still hold to be totally outstanding..

Cantona's Collars

Carragher pays tribute: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2515788/Ryan-Giggs-best-player-Premier-League-history-Jamie-Carragher.html