ECSSA processing times

meercat

Plates wrote: »

I've had no dealings with the certifying electrician - I didn't even know he existed until the "helper" (who told me he was ECCSA registered last week) and the builder told me about him today.

if i were me i would get eccsa out to inspect installation
tell the contractor that and see does he still certify it
somehow i doubt it

meercat

http://ecssa.ie/modules.php?op=modload&name=Newsletter&file=preview&id=10

Suspension of Member
We can confirm that within the past month a member has been suspended for 6 months for giving a non-member a certificate for an installation not carried out by the member.
The directors have confirmed that,
1) An automatic suspension of 6 months will apply in future to any member for this offence.
2) Should the member commit a 2nd offence, then his membership will be terminated and with no facility to re-apply for membership at a future date.

quote this to him

086lavey

here we go again !!

beanie10

meercat wrote: »

beanie
it is not permissable to certify another electricians installation
only exceptional circumstances with specific instruction from the regulatory body

As an electrical contractor registered with ECSSA I had a house i wired certified by somone else. I was owed €6,000 no sign of it to come so i didnt connect heating or one kitchen light. I told the client when he pays me i will finish off and cert the house, to which he agreed.
I tried for 1 month to contact him to no avail so i paid him a visit only to see him in his new house cooking dinner! The cute fecker never intended to pay me got another contractor to finish off (for €200). House wired for €200 not bad.
I rang ECSSA to make a complaint, they couldnt do anything without mprn no. which the client wasnt going to give me.If I did have the mprn no. they could only repremand a fellow ECSSA member not others like RECI.
I learnt the hard way.

M cebee

really-they need an mprn number before they'll take a look?

also surely they'll pass on any info to reci -who'll then take action

i swear some guys actually believe it's allowed-to test and certify other people's work

the whole self-certification thing will have to be scrapped -the way it's gone

M cebee

i'm RECI myself for the last 16yrs(i'm thinking of packing it in)

am i wrong or is most of this buying certs going on with ecssa members?

meercat

beanie10 wrote: »

As an electrical contractor registered with ECSSA I had a house i wired certified by somone else. I was owed €6,000 no sign of it to come so i didnt connect heating or one kitchen light. I told the client when he pays me i will finish off and cert the house, to which he agreed.
I tried for 1 month to contact him to no avail so i paid him a visit only to see him in his new house cooking dinner! The cute fecker never intended to pay me got another contractor to finish off (for €200). House wired for €200 not bad.
I rang ECSSA to make a complaint, they couldnt do anything without mprn no. which the client wasnt going to give me.If I did have the mprn no. they could only repremand a fellow ECSSA member not others like RECI.
I learnt the hard way.

sorry for you an that score
you will always get a rogue contractor
they dont understand that in the long run they are affecting themselves
if ecssa treated me like that i would be over to reci sharp
surely the cer who regulate reci and ecssa would be interested in this
http://reci.ie/Portals/0/cer09109-cp3.pdf
(could only find the link on reci site)
it is completely against regulations to certify other contractors work and if ecssa didnt investigate or take action on your behalf you should take it further
i dont understand why a registered contractor would risk his reputation and certify another mans work anyway even if it were allowed.

mods sorry if we got sidetracked on the op question

M cebee

i'm amazed if that's true

surely they'll trace the rogue contractor from the customer name -


and take action

why would they need mprn

M cebee

times are hard now and the registered guy is competing against the non-registered guy(who is buying his cert illegally)


the customer is in cahoots most of the time as they're getting a better deal

meercat

M cebee wrote: »

i'm amazed if that's true

surely they'll trace the rogue contractor from the customer name -


and take action

why would they need mprn

i agree
why was no action taken
i wouldnt just let it go

"times are hard now and the registered guy is competing against the non-registered guy(who is buying his cert illegally)"

why would a registered contractor sell a cert to someone who is undercutting him
its madness

M cebee

esbn won't do anything without an mprn number-sure

reci and ecssa should be able to pull a cert and investigate easily if a contractor is 6k out of pocket

beanie10

The only way ECSSA could check who certified the house is if they have the mprn no., I gave them the name address etc but they say they cant check itn unless they have the mprn no.
If RECI contractor who certified it they reckon feck all can be done as RECI dont listen to ECSSA complaints, and vice versa i assume.
If it was an ECSSA contractor he would just be warned if its his first offence. I am in total disbelieve myself.
There needs to be more communication between ECSSA and RECI and less competition.
RECI did sent out a letter stating they got a request to certify the house from the client to which i replied with a solicitors letter stating the issue regards money.

Plates

Just to update - after a lot of verbal and written abuse from me to the builder and electrician - a new cert was sent to ECSSA on Monday and was processed and sent to ESB by 11am Tuesday. This is after both builder and electrician telling me it can take up to 7 days for a cert to be processed.

If there's one thing that makes me mad it's tradesmen trying to pull a fast one. Do they really believe people are that gullible?

beanie10

If you dont mind me asking why did you go with builder?

Plates

beanie10 wrote: »

If you dont mind me asking why did you go with builder?

He was recommended by someone I know. At the time of the recommendation they were only about halfway into their build and they were happy - but things started to go pear shaped for them towards the end - by which time he'd already started with us.

We were happy with the quality of work he had done on the 3 jobs that we visited (2 completed and 1 in progress). We also met the clients from those jobs and they gave very positive feedback. Maybe he guided us towards the only 3 people he didn't f**k around.

beanie10

Ask the electrician if somthing goes wrong whos insurance do you claim off, his or the contractors. And get it in writing.
I refer to a recent case involving a contractor and his employee. The employee wired a house which caught fire due to electrical fault. The employee told client to claim off contractor as he certified the house the contractor said to claim off employee as he wired it.I didnt hear the outcome.I heard it from an ECSSA inspector.

Plates

If anything goes wrong I'll be going after the builder - that's who my contract is with and that's who I'm paying.

beanie10

I suppose at least your covered that way.

Plates

Hopefully my last question on this. I presume I'm entitled to a copy of the completion certificate? Builder seems reluctant to provide this for some reason. I know it's been submitted and processed as I verified this with ESB Networks - but I haven't yet received the copy I think I'm entitled to.

meercat

yes you should receive a customer copy
the electrician should complete a post connection test and give it to you
ask for a copy of the test records also
if he has done the installation ,it is a requirement that he keeps a record of the tests he carried out
i would have no problem giving a copy to the client

M cebee

he doesn't want to hand out a copy because the jobs not legit

M cebee

i thought plates already knew this-i don't know why he's back asking stupid questions

Lewotsil

Name the builder and the electrician !

Plates

Lewotsil wrote: »

Name the builder and the electrician !

Builders website is at http://bit.ly/gh0g9M

Electricians website is at http://bit.ly/er0LZk