Coming to Australia? Don't leave your manners at home

BraziliaNZ

brendansmith wrote: »

You obviously stayed away from St Kilda then, I went to the elephant and wheelbarrow once and I felt instantly uncomfortable the moment I walked through the door and got my coat stolen for good measure.
Full of Irish, but not your regular Irish, the nasty type of Irish that fill up on rocket fuel and unleash themselves on the town.

I spent 6 months staying in St Kilda and loved it there! This was only 3 years ago or so surely it hasn't gone so downhill since.

hussey

man1 wrote: »

I have lived in Sydney for almost a year now and also have no desire to ever visit Bondi.
We go to Balmoral beach which is great for families, it is quiet, safe and easy for us to get to. I don't want to go somewhere to see Irish drunks falling about the place (which I have read about on here numerous times!!), If I wanted that lifestyle I would have stayed in Ireland.
I agree with the article, I don't have much contact with Irish here in Sydney but when I have, they have embarrassed me!!!:o
One example would be the U2 concert in December, why could the Australians enjoy the concert with a few beers and a laugh when the Irish totally got smashed, were puking up all over the place, screaming at the top of their voices, draped in tri-colours, fighting with security etc... and it wasn't one or two isolated incidents, it was happening a lot both inside and outside the stadium. I am dreading going to Tommy Tiernan in May!!!!!
Whenever my Australian friends say they met/know some Irish and want to introduce me to them, I politely decline their offer.
I previously lived in mainland Europe for 5 years and it was the same there.:(

I went to the u2 concert and I didn't see anything (apart from a tri colour) out of the normal for a rock band.
Yes there were drunks, but same with any other concert I seen, pearl jam, muse, big day out (prob can't compare this)

If you are dreading it so much then don't go ... again I went last year, I went to the duke hotel, had a few drinks and went home, same as 95% of the people.

You said you'd decline your friends offer to introduce you to Irish, would you do the same if they were Australian, spanish, english, indian?

Bondi is actually quiet nice, it's bondi junction where the Irish bars are.

Xavi6 wrote:

It's not about only associating with Australians, it's about getting out of your comfort zone and discovering a different country and people of varying backgrounds. Getting off a plane, going to the first Irish bar and staying there for the duration is ridiculous and it happens.

Spot on, I'll openly admit when I first came over I was in Tea gardens, cock and bull, Coogee Bay Hotel every weekend, why? Cause the only people I knew were down there.
after a few months we started to try new places and areas, but it did take a while.

My local in Newtown is Kellys, it's not because it is full of Irish, it's because it's a nice bar, pool tables, nice (small) beer garden, friendly people, wooden tables etc and a real pint - in fact on a friday I'd say 75% of people there are Uni students looking for cheap drinks + pool

Another great bar is the welcome inn balmain, again just a nice bar, they can be a world apart from scuffys, Cock and bull etc.

ballooba

brendansmith wrote: »

You obviously stayed away from St Kilda then, I went to the elephant and wheelbarrow once and I felt instantly uncomfortable the moment I walked through the door and got my coat stolen for good measure.
Full of Irish, but not your regular Irish, the nasty type of Irish that fill up on rocket fuel and unleash themselves on the town.

It was the same when I was there for a football match two years ago. Pushing and shoving, everybody in a hurry and nobody going anywhere.

brendansmith wrote: »

Moral of the story. Folks away from home love to get up to boldness.

Maybe that's the nub of it. Some are "away from home", have no respect for this country and have no problem with staying only until they are no longer welcome. Others consider this home or potentially could be home and are taking a more sustainable approach to their welcome. It's the former who are ruining it for the latter.

To be honest though I see the same behaviour when I go back to Dublin so it's not just a case of being "on tour". The endemic alcohol problem in Ireland is a major one, see forums like these for foreigners emmigrating to Ireland for examples.

Mellor

Xavi6 wrote: »

It's not about only associating with Australians, it's about getting out of your comfort zone and discovering a different country and people of varying backgrounds. Getting off a plane, going to the first Irish bar and staying there for the duration is ridiculous and it happens.

Your missing my point. If its not for you, then fine.
But the people who do this are clearly happier doing it, its not like they aren't aware that there are aussie out there.

My attitude is that if that's what they want, then let them off. Its not for me or you, but what's the harm. i don't understand how this could bother anybody. What somebody else does is there own problem imo.

In fairness that's not what I said. Of course you aren't going to abandon your mates but by simply meeting other Irish people and confining yourself to them you might as well be at home

I wasn't talking about what you said, I was just talking about my situation.
I never planned to only hang out with mostly irish people, but with firends from home etc just was best/easiest. And all my work firends are aussies, by house mates are german and polish.

hussey wrote: »

If you are dreading it so much then don't go ... again I went last year, I went to the duke hotel, had a few drinks and went home, same as 95% of the people.

Agreed. no need for hyperbole really.
I was there last year, and I don't see how the crowd matters. It's more of a sit there and listen thing, was pretty early too so few drunks. Even at Jason Byrne afterwards.

Spot on, I'll openly admit when I first came over I was in Tea gardens, cock and bull, Coogee Bay Hotel every weekend, why? Cause the only people I knew were down there.
after a few months we started to try new places and areas, but it did take a while.

My local in Newtown is Kellys, it's not because it is full of Irish, it's because it's a nice bar, pool tables, nice (small) beer garden, friendly people, wooden tables etc and a real pint - in fact on a friday I'd say 75% of people there are Uni students looking for cheap drinks + pool

Another great bar is the welcome inn balmain, again just a nice bar, they can be a world apart from scuffys, Cock and bull etc.

I live in the eastern suburbs, not in bondi. I'm in the Tea Gardens and the Bull the odd time. I don't paticularly like them, and neither is my local by any means. But if I was near bondi junction and fancied grabbing dinner and a pint, I'd choose either of them over the Nelson or one of the other aussie pubs there. There are about 5 pubs in the area, the irish two are imo the best of a bad lot.

Welcome Inn is a nice little bar. Kelly's is good too, but i've only been once.

Basically my point is that I agree it's a bit sad to only drink in irish bars, but its down right pathetic to avoid them all irish bars altogether just simply because its an irish bar.

Xavi6

I don't want to quote heaps of text so I'll just go on your summary point if that's ok.

Mellor wrote: »

Basically my point is that I agree it's a bit sad to only drink in irish bars, but its down right pathetic to avoid them all irish bars altogether just simply because its an irish bar.

I don't see how it's pathetic to avoid a place because of the crowd. It's a pretty important part of the pub experience for me.

raymann

BraziliaNZ wrote: »

Go to the Redback or the Walkabout in West London and see how the Antipodeans behave when they're on their "Overseas Experience" as they like to call it. Even worse is The Church on a Sunday. As bad as or even worse than the Irish. In saying that I never went to Sydney but never noticed any Oirish thuggery in Perth or Melbourne.

Plus all the Antips live together in London too, and hang out in certain areas. I'm using London as an example as there's a large number of them there and not in Dublin. But they're guilty of the same carry on. All young people from cultures like ours seem to carry on like this when abroad. The author of that article needs to stop worry about how other people behave and learn to be comfortable with himself and his nationality.

i lived in london for years and they never generated any negative press or criticism from their own community while i was there. the town i live in now, hossegor in france, is known as 'aussiegore' because of the amount of australians here.

again they tend to mix really well with the locals (as i found in london) and people really like them.

one of the dirty secrets of the irish is that when they acted up abroad it usually got blamed on the english. well the numbers are making that too hard to do now. i think people need to cop on to themselves and realise that this criticism is coming from all sides for a reason.

i left ireland to get away from gaa shirt wearing morons, based on this and a few other worries im going to give aus a miss i think.

BraziliaNZ

raymann wrote: »

i lived in london for years and they never generated any negative press or criticism from their own community while i was there. the town i live in now, hossegor in france, is known as 'aussiegore' because of the amount of australians here.

again they tend to mix really well with the locals (as i found in london) and people really like them.

Yeah have a look at gumtree flatshares for London and see how many ads for Aussie/Kiwi flats you see looking for other Aussie/Kiwis to move in. Take a look at the bars on Waitangi day or Australia day around Shepherd's Bush for e.g. if you want to see messy behaviour, or any Sunday evening at the SheBu Walkie after they've been in the Church all day. You don't hear bad publicity about them because they're a small minority in a massive city. Anyway Irish mix in everywhere quite well too usually. There's some astronomical figure of them in Oz at the moment, so it's obviously a small minority carrying on like this. We're just a self-loathing nation. I don't know why people keep bringing up this subject. If I were you lot I'd worry about your own image rather than other people's, and we'll all do fine in this world.

mobby

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-pacific-12535581

The Boys and Girls of the Australian Navy seem to think they know how to have a good time, when away from oz

jank

TBH the reporter sounds like a total twat. Painting all the Irish in Australia as GAA wearing slops who load up on drink and destroy the place on a daily occurrence, while he is there sipping iced tea and reading Nietzsche or some other existentialistic $hite...

Irish people like to drink. So do the Aussies! Sure there are plenty of Irish people who act like muppets on a daily occurrence, mostly out in the Bondi region. Tools the lot of them if they behave like that. However Aussies in London in general dont have a stellar reputation either! As mentioned maybe he should take a trip up the coast for scollies week! Might open his eyes a bit.

Irish and Aussies are more alike than we would like to admit. That is the issue here. He spoke of the Americans, Germans and Scandinavians.. well Australia isn't that.

Something else touched on here. We love to bash ourselves. We always point to the negative and go on and on about it until we are blue in the face. Irish people are generally negative towards themselves, their country and each other.

Yes, I find in Sydney "city" anyway that people are generally ruder then home (think its a Sydney thing as Melbourne and Perth people were a bit nicer) by contrast to NZ anyway which are the politest people you will ever meet. Sydney is a big city though that has that reputation but the bark is generally alot worse than the bite. All big cities around the world are like that. London, Paris, NY and so on. If you want polite then go somewhere smaller.

This isnt exactly "news" either

Doc

I have to say I have cringed a couple of times over here at some of the things I have seen other Irish people do. The other week down at the St.Kilda festival in Melbourne I was walking along and saw one lad completely pissed saying to every girl that passed him “Hug me I’m Irissssh!” he was in a state and no one wanted to stand near him and defiantly didn’t want to hug him. I just thought to myself what a bad image he was giving of the Irish and therefore indirectly me. It was like he expected that just by simply being Irish women would throw themselves at him He wasn’t the worst person I saw that day or even close to it though and only sticks in my mind because of what he said and the fact he was Irish. I have never liked the Idea of playing up to stereotypes of the Irish and don’t like to see others doing it.

To be fair I notice if Irish people are doing things over here a lot more then locals or any other nationality just because when I hear the accent I become interested. I have said to my Ozzy friend’s lots of times that St.Kilda has loads of Irish living in it but they always seam surprised at that because they don’t notice them as much as I would.

A quiet Irish guy having a drink with some friends in a bar would not grab my attention for more then a minute if I heard the accent but an Irish person who dose something stupid would stick in my memory for much longer. I don’t think we are that bad really I’ve never heard anyone here complaining about the Irish.

Until recently I didn’t hang out with many Irish people over here purely because I live in an area that isn’t the usual for an Irish person to live in when they first come over, but I have meet some through a sports team I joined (It was tip rugby not GAA so I didn’t expect to meet any other Irish people on the team) and it turned out that there were 4 other Irish people on it who I got on well with and hang out with a bit now. I defiantly don’t avoid Irish people over here and do occasionally go to an Irish bar (mainly to watch sports).

My only problem is when people play up their Irishness or use it as an excuse or justification for actions like being drunk. You got drunk because you lost your self control and drank too much not because your Irish. I don’t mind the GAA jerseys but I don’t think people should act differently over here to how they would at home.

ballooba

It's hilarious to see people justifying the culture of alcoholism by saying that those who reject it hate themselves. It's an argument about the same level as calling someone un-Australian. I hate to think the drunken behaviour prevalent among the current generation is anything other than a recent phenomenon. I can't imagine us being welcome overseas for long if that were the case. I think this idea that the world owes you unconditional love because of where you come from is as bad as any hypothetical self-hatred.

Mellor

Xavi6 wrote: »

Mellor wrote:

Basically my point is that I agree it's a bit sad to only drink in irish bars, but its down right pathetic to avoid them all irish bars altogether just simply because its an irish bar.

I don't see how it's pathetic to avoid a place because of the crowd. It's a pretty important part of the pub experience for me.

Of course that's fine. but not what I said. I never mentioned the crowd.
I said "simply because its an irish bar". Can you not see the difference.

If you choose to avoid Rosies in perth because you don't like the crowd, that's cool, i'd do the same.
If you choose to never drink in any "irish pub", simply because its an irish pub is silly (especially if its one you've never been to or heard of). "Irish pub" is a bit of a gimmick, there are irish pubs all over the world, some are going to be full of irish, but most aren't tbh, esp outside of irish areas.

Xavi6

Mellor wrote: »

Of course that's fine. but not what I said. I never mentioned the crowd.
I said "simply because its an irish bar". Can you not see the difference.

If you choose to avoid Rosies in perth because you don't like the crowd, that's cool, i'd do the same.
If you choose to never drink in any "irish pub", simply because its an irish pub is silly (especially if its one you've never been to or heard of). "Irish pub" is a bit of a gimmick, there are irish pubs all over the world, some are going to be full of irish, but most aren't tbh, esp outside of irish areas.

Fair enough.

My experiences of Irish bars have not been the best so they tend to be bottom of my list of places to try in a city. Even if the crowd isn't rowdy you're guaranteed to have other Irish people there which is not something that interests me.

padrepio

Xavi6 wrote: »

The article speak a lot of truth, especially regarding the Irish just sticking to other Irish. I hate that and would love to see Perth's Rosie O'Grady's burn to the ground.

I also have zero desire to ever visit the Bondi area given what I've read and heard about the place.

Is there anyone moderating the moderators? what an outrageous statement (first part)

god forbid you would actually go and find out for yourself what Bondi is like - must be a bit crap getting your viewpoints solely from what you read and hear about places. Clown.

Agreed with the majority of posters. The guy that wrote this horsesh*t, naturally in the Sindo, has a serious case of the NIMBYs going on. Let and let live ffs. The Irish community contributes a lot to the Australian economy, he could head up Kings Cross any Sat night and see worse non-Irish cases. Are we any different than lets say the Polish when they came to Ireland, the Aussies in London etc etc a lot of people feel more comfortable with their own and what gives anyone the right to say its right or wrong.

Xavi6

padrepio wrote: »

Is there anyone moderating the moderators? what an outrageous statement (first part)

What exactly would you like moderated? A statement that you don't agree with?

By all means hit the report post button if it's not to your liking and we'll see what happens.

hussey

padrepio wrote: »

Is there anyone moderating the moderators? what an outrageous statement (first part)

god forbid you would actually go and find out for yourself what Bondi is like - must be a bit crap getting your viewpoints solely from what you read and hear about places. Clown.

Mod 1) no back seat modding 2) Calling someone a clown.
Warning given

If you have a problem with a post - report it

myhorse

major sh*tstorm in the local wentworth courier (sydney eastern suburbs -waverley area edition)over the last few weeks re: the irish.

Cant find the last months big splash online (was not good) but some of it here http://wentworth-courier.whereilive.com.au/news/story/irish-drinkers-hit-back/

and this weeks one has a good few letters from residents laying in to the Irish. One couple saying they had to sell up as it got too much for them etc etc.

(the main article a while back reaallyyy laid in to issue)

local waverley council meeting about it as well - well about the c&b.

Zambia

I can imagine the residents of the C&B surrounds cracking the sh1ts. The problem is not the Irish per say its the type of Irish. Its got a lot of young people mostly men with no family in the immediate area, a lot of disposable income and no release of testosterone from regular shags.

mandrake04

myhorse wrote: »

major sh*tstorm in the local wentworth courier (sydney eastern suburbs -waverley area edition)over the last few weeks re: the irish.

Cant find the last months big splash online (was not good) but some of it here http://wentworth-courier.whereilive.com.au/news/story/irish-drinkers-hit-back/

and this weeks one has a good few letters from residents laying in to the Irish. One couple saying they had to sell up as it got too much for them etc etc.

(the main article a while back reaallyyy laid in to issue)

local waverley council meeting about it as well - well about the c&b.

Yes, the Irish get drunk but they’re not aggressive, said Irish Cock’n’Bull regular Sarah Mulvin.

``I’ve never encountered a problem with a drunk Irishman,’’ she said.

``For the Irish, drinking is about celebrating the good times, the Craic.

``Everyone’s dancing, celebrating life. Also if you decide you’re going to live in Bondi Junction beside four pubs, you go into it with your eyes wide open.

``If the neighbours don’t like it, why not go out and live in Dural, it’s lovely and quiet out there.’‘

That has to be a prime example of Muppetry, yer woman's going come over and suggest in the local rag where the residents should live!!! Sure she has lost all credibility for any Irish in the area coming out with a statement like that.

seachto7

I'm a bit fed up of Irish people using the excuse that they are Irish to get ratarsed drunk. It's tired and pathetic at this stage...
However, there are some horrible crimes committed in Australia, ones you read about in the local press, that are all by Aussies.
What about the mass brawl in west sydney a few weeks back? If that were a group of Irish lads kicking off at each other....?

seachto7

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pWmf3Waio9E

myhorse

mandrake04 wrote: »

That has to be a prime example of Muppetry, yer woman's going come over and suggest in the local rag where the residents should live!!! Sure she has lost all credibility for any Irish in the area coming out with a statement like that.

well supposing she worked in morketting .....:cool: strolls off whistling

mandrake04

seachto7 wrote: »

I'm a bit fed up of Irish people using the excuse that they are Irish to get ratarsed drunk. It's tired and pathetic at this stage...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nduqd11vsnQ

seachto7

2 women in that clip were embarrassing. I bet when they are sober they are full of notions about themselves. At least now they are on youtube, the whole world knows they are tools....:D:D not just "Blake"...

zeds alive

CiaranC wrote: »

I would have thought if you went to Australia and carried on like that youd blend in perfectly with the ignorant, obnoxious locals

Agreed , they are about as cultured as the people he is complaining about in the article

Mellor

Zambia wrote: »

I can imagine the residents of the C&B surrounds cracking the sh1ts. The problem is not the Irish per say its the type of Irish. Its got a lot of young people mostly men with no family in the immediate area, a lot of disposable income and no release of testosterone from regular shags.

It's not really in a residential area, (despite what the tv report shows). But there are some houses nearby.
I've I lived there with kids, I'd be more worried about the homeless in the area than the irish on the weekend. Or else more concerning. The woman who was abducted nearby, brought to queens park and raped by two men.

But of course, some prick bouncer shoving an irish lad on a sunday is a reason to move.

mandrake04

Mellor wrote: »

It's not really in a residential area, (despite what the tv report shows). But there are some houses nearby.

There must be 2 CNB because the one I have been to is just beside Mackenzie St and Gardnier St, that all looked fairly residential to me. The CNB I know is hardly in the middle if an Industrial area.

Mellor

Mackenzie street is residential (that's were the abduction was i think).
Everything south of Ebley street is residential. CnB is on the edge of this area facing into the shopping centre away from the houses. Which is were the crowds go for taxis, which was my point. I can't imagine them being any noiser that the trucks, buses get go up and down all day.

Plus the tv report purposely didn't show the front of the place, they shot from he back where there are no doors (because of the houses prob). this is what irritated me really.

mandrake04

Just heard on the 09:00 news that police had to be called to break up a massive brawl in the Tea Gardens, 6 people charged.

more bad press for the area.

myhorse

mandrake04 wrote: »

Just heard on the 09:00 news that police had to be called to break up a massive brawl in the Tea Gardens, 6 people charged.

more bad press for the area.

Happened about 6:30PM - 7:00PM Sunday night. Was on a bus and heard the drivers being warned that a major police operation was in progress at the tea gardens and to try to avoid Bronte road.


My first thought "ahhh f*ck"

mandrake04

myhorse wrote: »

Happened about 6:30PM - 7:00PM Sunday night. Was on a bus and heard the drivers being warned that a major police operation was in progress at the tea gardens and to try to avoid Bronte road.


My first thought "ahhh f*ck"

Yeah I just read the report from the Wentworth Courier.

About 50 police including a police rescue and police-dog unit responded to a brawl outside the Tea Gardens Hotel in Bondi Junction last night.

About 6.20pm Sunday, February 27, Eastern Suburbs police responded to a report of eight men brawling with security staff outside the hotel on Bronte Road .
Back-up was requested, police were soon joined by officers from Eastern Beaches and Rose Bay Local Area Commands, along with a police-dog unit and police rescue.
Police allege the men were asked to leave the hotel due to their state of intoxication and that once outside the hotel, they began fighting with security.
Some witnesses reported seeing a pool of blood on the floor and that several detained men were wearing Gaelic football jerseys.
Six men were eventually arrested and charged over the incident.
Three men aged between 22 and 33 were charged with assault, affray and resist arrest; and a 26-year-old and a 21-year-old were charged with affray.
A 25-year-old was issued with an infringement notice for disobey move on direction.
Anyone who witnessed the incident or has information that may assist police is asked to contact police at Eastern Suburbs Local Area Command via Crime Stoppers on 1800 333 000.

Zambia

50 Police dragged into Bondi Junction is not a good impression.

old_aussie

CiaranC wrote: »

I would have thought if you went to Australia and carried on like that youd blend in perfectly with the ignorant, obnoxious locals

Takes one to know one. :rolleyes:

Oh, and don't bother coming here you sad sack of spuds.

Zambia

Mod Attack the post not the poster.

And CiaranC you should know better than to stir

Zambia

I reckon you might want to contact the cops over that as those guys may actually be charged.

As the same report may not have the facts correct in light of them being charged as well.

Was anyone with you?

Mellor

I've thought of that, but how credibile is a statement from a fellow irishman. I was also drinking that day (had only arrive back from the UFC in acer). It was near the door so I imagine its on camera, which is prob going to make or bresk the case for eitherside depending on whats shown.
That said, there was plenty of people that seen it. Even afterwards, everyone was over near the doors/windows of the pub looking out. So I imagine there'll be no shortage of statements if needed.

keryl

I live in Melbourne and yes St. Kilda is littered in Irish but also backpackers. It's somewhere I rarely go because of the British and Irish agro but of course not all are like that.

Lets get this straight, Irish do like to drink but not all are bad. Firstly the Australians and I have witnessed it, are just as up for it as the Irish make no mistake. I have seen more Aussie men trying to start fights than Irish and I've seen Aussie women act just as daft as Irish women when drunk.

I really like this country, Melbourne is a great city. The people are friendly but and this might be going off topic, there is an air of slight racism in the air and many Aussies I know will admit that and people I work with that are born abroad or have immigrant parents say it straight up.

Please don't say the Irish are all that bad, we all know what they get up to and yes it is embarrassing but the Aussies in honesty aren't far behind in terms of aggressive behaviour on booze and just general testosterone nonsense.

Just check out the schoolies last December, the stories I heard about them in 2009 was disgusting, $5000 worth of cleaning costs and I won't go into detail about what they done...

Australians do like the Irish, some will be very dismissive but that's they're problem.

myhorse

Some choice of headline this week...
http://wentworth-courier.whereilive.com.au/news/story/sunday-bloody-sunday-1/

Ozeire

I wonder does this reporter have any idea what "Bloody Sunday" is at all .

I'm sure he picked his header form the U2 Song and hasn't a clue .

Is it me or has it become " Kick the Irish" year down under .

Cause we now seem to be getting blamed for every fight that happens outside any place in Oz .

Jumpy

Ozeire wrote: »

I wonder does this reporter have any idea what "Bloody Sunday" is at all .

I'm sure he picked his header form the U2 Song and hasn't a clue .

Is it me or has it become " Kick the Irish" year down under .

Cause we now seem to be getting blamed for every fight that happens outside any place in Oz .

You started it!

hussey

There seems to be a lot of police cars there

Have a look at the name of the youtube uploader ... very credible name

ellaq

I have been a badly behaved backpacker with little respect for those around me. But life got its revenge when I came back to Oz as a permanent resident. My local bar got taken over by an Irish man and got renamed Rosies and the rowdy Irish invaded. Then I moved to the other side of the city, where very few Irish live but near a traditional Aussie bar and the same bar owner bought the bloody place. The same owner, the same barstaff and the same bloody awful music. Unfortunately I was now within hearing distance of it from my own home and had to endure Irish music every Sunday. Everyone thought it was so funny to travel so far and have to listen to an Irish session every week for 5 years. I really never want to hear "Down by the Sally Gardens" again ever......A german now owns the place and I will never live within walking distance of a pub again.

brendansmith

Mod snip ... off track

hussey

Mod Okay guys, back on track .. as a reminder the thread is about Irish people should have respect/manners for Australia

I myself am guilty of this, but I just don't want to move into a Aussie bashing thread

Jumpy

<snip> Mod Not exactly back on track is it? ....

endabob1

The Original article is sanctimonious beyond belief!

I spent 3 months travelling around Oz and a year living in Melbourne, I was with my wife and we had PR and were there with a view to spending our lives there.

I can see the point re: Bondi & Coogee & indeed St Kilda in Melbourne to a degree. I have to say when I was there in 03/04 it was more Brits than Irish but it's by the by for me, young people away from home for the first time looking for good times on a gap year before having to go home to no job and back living with the Mammy & Daddy!

If you don't think it happens elsewhere you are incredibly naive, London is the same, as mentioned elsewhere go to Acton on a Sunday to see or back when I first moved to London in 95 it was the hostels around Earls Court, Saffers, Ozzies & Kiwi's up to no good on their year away from home.

His point's about

Its multiculturalism is remarkably successful; its people are genuinely friendly, bereft of cynicism and assiduously polite;

Is so far from the truth in my opinion it basically damns the whole piece. Australia is a hugely divided country, engage any Australian in a conversation about Aboriginal Land rights and you'll get the picture. The difference between NZ and their respect for the Maori culture & Austrlaia's treatment of the Aborigines & their culture is vast. I know Australians who are genuinely ashamed about how aborigines and the pacific Islanders have been treated.
Visit Sydney's western suburbs or the inner western suburbs of Melbourne for a view of how the "multiculturalism is remarkably successful", to use the writers term "ghetto's" of immigrants from Lebanon, South East Asia & the sub-continent. It's a nonsense to suggest it is a successful example of multiculturalism on the basis that there are different cultures living there, the exist together but they certainly do not live together.

Finally but still on the point of its people being "genuinely friendly" and "assiduously polite" I'm a short guy, so avoid any form of physical confrontation like the plague. I'm a boring 30 something who's never been in trouble, I've lived In Dublin, London Cape Town & Melbourne. In the space of 3 months in Melbourne I was involved (as an innocent party) in 2 road rage incidents, the second of which where on hearing my accent, I was told to "f--k off back where I came from". Friendly & assiduously polite indeed!

Basically Australians & Irish are like every other race, there are some great people, I still have friends from my stay in Oz, but there are also a fair percentage of idiots who will leave a bad taste.
The media there & here have no problems stiring it up a bit, throw in a a spoon of lazy racism for good measure, it makes a good story. I don't doubt there are incidents just as there are with migrants in Ireland but the media have a lot to answer for in they uneven way it is reported.

misshassett

Hi mellor Thank you sooo much for speaking the truth.. I was wondering if youv contacted the police telling your side???? I know someone involved in the fight but they didnt do anything and i would be so grateful if you could tell the police your side as his never been in a fight and I tink tings are geting blown out of portion now

keryl

endabob1 wrote: »

The Original article is sanctimonious beyond belief!

I spent 3 months travelling around Oz and a year living in Melbourne, I was with my wife and we had PR and were there with a view to spending our lives there.

I can see the point re: Bondi & Coogee & indeed St Kilda in Melbourne to a degree. I have to say when I was there in 03/04 it was more Brits than Irish but it's by the by for me, young people away from home for the first time looking for good times on a gap year before having to go home to no job and back living with the Mammy & Daddy!

If you don't think it happens elsewhere you are incredibly naive, London is the same, as mentioned elsewhere go to Acton on a Sunday to see or back when I first moved to London in 95 it was the hostels around Earls Court, Saffers, Ozzies & Kiwi's up to no good on their year away from home.

His point's about


Is so far from the truth in my opinion it basically damns the whole piece. Australia is a hugely divided country, engage any Australian in a conversation about Aboriginal Land rights and you'll get the picture. The difference between NZ and their respect for the Maori culture & Austrlaia's treatment of the Aborigines & their culture is vast. I know Australians who are genuinely ashamed about how aborigines and the pacific Islanders have been treated.
Visit Sydney's western suburbs or the inner western suburbs of Melbourne for a view of how the "multiculturalism is remarkably successful", to use the writers term "ghetto's" of immigrants from Lebanon, South East Asia & the sub-continent. It's a nonsense to suggest it is a successful example of multiculturalism on the basis that there are different cultures living there, the exist together but they certainly do not live together.

Finally but still on the point of its people being "genuinely friendly" and "assiduously polite" I'm a short guy, so avoid any form of physical confrontation like the plague. I'm a boring 30 something who's never been in trouble, I've lived In Dublin, London Cape Town & Melbourne. In the space of 3 months in Melbourne I was involved (as an innocent party) in 2 road rage incidents, the second of which where on hearing my accent, I was told to "f--k off back where I came from". Friendly & assiduously polite indeed!

Basically Australians & Irish are like every other race, there are some great people, I still have friends from my stay in Oz, but there are also a fair percentage of idiots who will leave a bad taste.
The media there & here have no problems stiring it up a bit, throw in a a spoon of lazy racism for good measure, it makes a good story. I don't doubt there are incidents just as there are with migrants in Ireland but the media have a lot to answer for in they uneven way it is reported.

Spot on.

sophia123

Irish backpackers do stand out from the rest of the backpackers. I do not agree that they are just like any other young crowd away from home. They are stangely anachronistic in their behaviour. They act like wizened old alcoholics in the way they approach their alcohol. Getting totally drunk and screaming out Irish songs all night and every night & wallowing in their "Irishness". They do not appear to have a concept of modern youth in the way that other nationalities have.
Irish backpackers ( bunk bed boys ) rent out apartments in our complex. They're not travellers as such they're just on an international pub crawl. Words can barely describe them!! They're parochial, have a mob mentality and are basically just escaping life. No respect for anyone who has a life and has to have a good nights sleep in order to go to work. They drink, herd, urinate off balconies and to top it all off share bedrooms to save money and call it freedom! How can anyone be taken seriously when they haven't even grown up enough to be able to afford to have their own bedroom? Sharing bedrooms ( a purely business concept) in a hostel is one thing; in a residential area is another thing.

hussey

sophia123 wrote: »

Irish backpackers do stand out from the rest of the backpackers. I do not agree that they are just like any other young crowd away from home. They are stangely anachronistic in their behaviour. They act like wizened old alcoholics in the way they approach their alcohol. Getting totally drunk and screaming out Irish songs all night and every night & wallowing in their "Irishness". They do not appear to have a concept of modern youth in the way that other nationalities have.
Irish backpackers ( bunk bed boys ) rent out apartments in our complex. They're not travellers as such they're just on an international pub crawl. Words can barely describe them!! They're parochial, have a mob mentality and are basically just escaping life. No respect for anyone who has a life and has to have a good nights sleep in order to go to work. They drink, herd, urinate off balconies and to top it all off share bedrooms to save money and call it freedom! How can anyone be taken seriously when they haven't even grown up enough to be able to afford to have their own bedroom? Sharing bedrooms ( a purely business concept) in a hostel is one thing; in a residential area is another thing.

Want another brush to tar us all with? :rolleyes:
All backpackers share bedrooms - not an Irish thing