Coming to Australia? Don't leave your manners at home

hussey

Mod Okay guys enough about GAA jerseys, thread has really been derailed, no more bickering mm-okay?

Jank - you did put this statement up "**** wear GAA jerseys abroad.", as mellor said he shouldn't be judged if he wants to wear a sports top in summer or support a team.

But we'll leave it there - so everyone play nice

statina

I have come across this notion before where you tend to be judged because you socialise in an Irish pub. I live in an area where there are not alot of Irish and our local is an Australian Pub. While I am really happy with where we live, I also love going to the CnB for a session - to me its a good atmosphere and its great craic.
I have been lucky enough to have not seen any trouble in the irish pubs......has anyone seen, for eg Cheers on a Saturday night? Crazy stuff and its not the Irish!!

Mellor

The Sweeper wrote: »

Ah now in fairness, all bets are off if you're alone in Coles. I live in a town where at least 25% of the shoppers in Coles are in their pyjamas and a further 25% are in their bare feet. You'd be positively posh in your Dublin jersey.

Ah, I live near a posh Coles so, have to pass by an expensive underwear shop, a sparkly jewellers and a shop that sells only tea but no teabags to get there. No bare feet.

Ellis Dee wrote: »

had to suffer the pangs of regret that must result when a guy fancies a lesbian, but she is unattainable for him.

Pangs of regret or...

jank wrote: »

So your conclusion is that I am a bigot because I dont like people wearing GAA jerseys abroad as if its some statement about their irishness! Wow, and you call me narrow minded? lol

That's not what you said. Xavi said there are some **** who wear it as a uniform (which there are). You implied everyone's fit this description.

If you qualified yours by saying "as some sort of statement", I wouldn't of disagreed with you. Sweeper did this and I don't really disagree with him. I wear it if my regular gym clothes are in the wash or if I'm throwing something quick on. Like I said, it gets little use.
I don't wear it to make a statement about anything. I don't need to and I don't see the point.
But I do have to wear clothes in public, and if the Jersey fits...

sophia123

Who are you to dictate how other people live? When I first came over I had little money and couldn't afford to shell out $150+ a week, so I shared a bedroom,
Also does your rule also apply to the thousands of uni students who share rooms?

so when people share a room it is not a "residential concept" but a "business concept" ... Get off your high horse, where do you suggest people sleep?

I suggest people who want to save money sleep in a hostel!

How on earth this idea has been perpetuated amongst backpackers or anyone else for that matter is amazing. The reason I said that it is purely a business concept is because it is and has been said to be so in court. Precedents have been set. The accommodation of unrelated persons in the same bedroom is legally defined as a "hostel" ie a business concept. Husband & wife are said to be in a legally recognised relationship and hence the sharing of a bedroom is classified as residential. Four adult males in one bedroom is seen legally as a hostel for the simple reason that they are paying for their accommodation per person & not as one legally recognised unit.
Unrelated persons who are in accommodation whereby they share bedrooms, technically are breaking the law. This is evident when something goes wrong such as an accident on the premises - they are not insured & neither is the body corporate obliged to recognise them. As a matter of fact they have no legal rights whatsoever because legally they are not recognised. I am not on my "high horse". My point is that they can't pretend they're equal to other tenants around them - they are not: they are not subject to the same legislation since hostel living falls outside the jurisdiction of residential living.
I do know that some councils, Byron Bay for one, has been enforcing this for the past few years & anyone found to be allowing unrelated persons to share bedrooms will be prosecuted. People who live and work in a particular area do understandably get upset when visitors break the law!

rightyabe

Is this the image that annoys so many people....?:D

Irish in bondi.jpg


Stumbled upon it on facebook there earlier and couldn't resist:D

LLU

rightyabe wrote: »

Is this the image that annoys so many people....?:D

Irish in bondi.jpg


Stumbled upon it on facebook there earlier and couldn't resist:D

well he's not vomiting or falling around the place pi$$ed, singing paddy songs at the top of his voice, or throwing litter about the place, and overall seems to have brought his manners with him so i'd say theres a very good chance he's not annoying anybody!

Zambia

Sophia what is the piont you are trying to make? In short?

hussey

sophia123 wrote: »

I suggest people who want to save money sleep in a hostel!

It's a lot cheaper to rent a shared room than a hostel
hostel 25p/n = 175p/w you can share a bedroom for less

How on earth this idea has been perpetuated amongst backpackers or anyone else for that matter is amazing. The reason I said that it is purely a business concept is because it is and has been said to be so in court. Precedents have been set. The accommodation of unrelated persons in the same bedroom is legally defined as a "hostel" ie a business concept. Husband & wife are said to be in a legally recognised relationship and hence the sharing of a bedroom is classified as residential. Four adult males in one bedroom is seen legally as a hostel for the simple reason that they are paying for their accommodation per person & not as one legally recognised unit.
Unrelated persons who are in accommodation whereby they share bedrooms, technically are breaking the law. This is evident when something goes wrong such as an accident on the premises - they are not insured & neither is the body corporate obliged to recognise them. As a matter of fact they have no legal rights whatsoever because legally they are not recognised. I am not on my "high horse". My point is that they can't pretend they're equal to other tenants around them - they are not: they are not subject to the same legislation since hostel living falls outside the jurisdiction of residential living.
I do know that some councils, Byron Bay for one, has been enforcing this for the past few years & anyone found to be allowing unrelated persons to share bedrooms will be prosecuted. People who live and work in a particular area do understandably get upset when visitors break the law!

anyone who shares a bedroom will be prosecuted? can you provide the legal evidence for this?

I really think you are away with the fairies if you think sharing a bedroom is a crime ... i'm sure the thousands of uni students / backpackers / migrants will be quaking in their boots with this joke law

whydoibother?

hussey wrote: »

It's a lot cheaper to rent a shared room than a hostel
hostel 25p/n = 175p/w you can share a bedroom for less

I'd say you could even rent a single for that. I got a double room with an en suite all to myself for very slightly more than that.

mandrake04

hussey wrote: »

It's a lot cheaper to rent a shared room than a hostel
hostel 25p/n = 175p/w you can share a bedroom for less



anyone who shares a bedroom will be prosecuted? can you provide the legal evidence for this?

I really think you are away with the fairies if you think sharing a bedroom is a crime ... i'm sure the thousands of uni students / backpackers / migrants will be quaking in their boots with this joke law

also all your dodgy "–is a sign of bad copy and paste

Imagine the Authorities cracking down in Chinatown, Parramatta & Harris Park. There would be hardly any Asians or Indians unscathed by such a law.

sophia123

It is all to do with the zoning. If the building is an " accommodation unit" - it's legal. If it's residential its unlawful to share bedrooms on a per head basis. It is not a "joke law". It has many legal implications for fire regulations & tax rates. A more dramatic precedent is:
Noosa Shire Council v Staley [2002] QPEC 18
I've used that one because of the links provided in it - some cases in the UK are cited. In order to "share bedrooms" the complex needs to be zoned accordingly - most body corporates are not zoned that way - they're simply residential with building classification 2 ( the two refers to fire regulations).

In answer to Zambia my point is that in areas which are "attractive" to backpackers the locals are being disturbed by some of their behaviour & many of the problems that occur simply should not be happening.

Is it appropriate that the moderator "hussey" uses such inflammatory remarks as "I really think you are away with the fairies?" Who moderates the moderator?

ellaq

So what are your complex management doing about it? If I were you I would look into having the landlord evict them and if they don't want to have the landlord prosecuted as you believe that the law is on your side. It really doesn't have anything to do with us here. Yes it is so frustrating to have your life disturbed by loud drunken yobs. They could be any nationality and still be loud drunken yobs.

hussey

sophia123 wrote: »

Is it appropriate that the moderator "hussey" uses such inflammatory remarks as "I really think you are away with the fairies?" Who moderates the moderator?

You can PM Zambia, or the other mod's on the forum if offended.

mandrake04

sophia123 wrote: »

Is it appropriate that the moderator "hussey" uses such inflammatory remarks as "I really think you are away with the fairies?" Who moderates the moderator?

In fairness normal text is normal member.

Bold text is moderator

Hussey is voicing his opinion as a normal user the same as you.

To be honest Sofia you would a better response to your questions if you asked a direct question straight to the point rather than some sort of moronic rant. Most of us here are pretty intelligent people and I think we could help you if you were straight forward rather than insulting.

jank

LLU wrote: »

well he's not vomiting or falling around the place pi$$ed, singing paddy songs at the top of his voice, or throwing litter about the place, and overall seems to have brought his manners with him so i'd say theres a very good chance he's not annoying anybody!

Not yet anyway!

Zambia

sophia123 wrote: »

Is it appropriate that the moderator "hussey" uses such inflammatory remarks as "I really think you are away with the fairies?" Who moderates the moderator?

MOD He said
"You are away with the fairies if you think sharing a room is a crime"

You half quoted no foul

sophia123 wrote: »

In answer to Zambia my point is that in areas which are "attractive" to backpackers the locals are being disturbed by some of their behaviour & many of the problems that occur simply should not be happening.

No they should not be but what steps have you taken to reduce this?

You could try discussing the matter with them. Most Irishmen are raised by irish women and will react favourably on being informed of the results of their behaviour. We are on the whole polite. However we can go quite buck mad.

If that is not the case a discussion with your local neighbourhood police station could achieve some good advice. Chances are NSW has EPA legislation that governs noise.

Backpackers are attracted to areas that have beaches and night life close by like all young people. The issue is they do not have the family support network that means they can all live at home. So they are living in shared accomodation trying to make rent as cheap as possible.

Zambia

rightyabe wrote: »

Is this the image that annoys so many people....?:D

Irish in bondi.jpg


Stumbled upon it on facebook there earlier and couldn't resist:D

I reackon half the contents of the Abbey hotel are in that top;)

sophia123

No they should not be but what steps have you taken to reduce this?

We take many steps - the Police now have the power to fine people on the spot for disturbing the peace - that has helped.

I would say that the Current Affairs programme cited in this thread is a result of residents taking steps to try to reduce the disruption to their lives. I would say the residents there are "buck mad".

Yes, the backpackers are sharing accommodation in order to save money. However, it's not all about them - they have responsibilities to the locals too.

I believe the thread is about "don't leave your manners at home". That would be a good idea - that is a proactive solution. The fact that locals are having to react to the bad behaviour of backpackers is what the problem is all about & bad relations result.

melb

sophia123 wrote: »

No they should not be but what steps have you taken to reduce this?

We take many steps - the Police now have the power to fine people on the spot for disturbing the peace - that has helped.

I would say that the Current Affairs programme cited in this thread is a result of residents taking steps to try to reduce the disruption to their lives. I would say the residents there are "buck mad".

Yes, the backpackers are sharing accommodation in order to save money. However, it's not all about them - they have responsibilities to the locals too.

I believe the thread is about "don't leave your manners at home". That would be a good idea - that is a proactive solution. The fact that locals are having to react to the bad behaviour of backpackers is what the problem is all about & bad relations result.

How about you be proactive instead of ranting on here about it. If the law is on your side then use it-all you doing by moaning here is winding yourself up even more.

Zambia

sophia123 wrote: »

I would say that the Current Affairs programme cited in this thread is a result of residents taking steps to try to reduce the disruption to their lives. I would say the residents there are "buck mad".

Yes, the backpackers are sharing accommodation in order to save money. However, it's not all about them - they have responsibilities to the locals too.

I believe the thread is about "don't leave your manners at home". That would be a good idea - that is a proactive solution. The fact that locals are having to react to the bad behaviour of backpackers is what the problem is all about & bad relations result.

The fact is you should not be drawing lines between locals and backpackers everyone has to play by the same rules. If any of your neighbours break noise regulations report them regardless of race, creed, colour.

That current affairs programme was utter bollocks. The very same programme had the reaction of the police in the area and he did not seem to perturbed.

The Irish cannot prevent this in our youth no more than any other race can in theirs.

mandrake04

sophia123 wrote: »

No they should not be but what steps have you taken to reduce this?

We take many steps - the Police now have the power to fine people on the spot for disturbing the peace - that has helped.

I would say that the Current Affairs programme cited in this thread is a result of residents taking steps to try to reduce the disruption to their lives. I would say the residents there are "buck mad".

Yes, the backpackers are sharing accommodation in order to save money. However, it's not all about them - they have responsibilities to the locals too.

I believe the thread is about "don't leave your manners at home". That would be a good idea - that is a proactive solution. The fact that locals are having to react to the bad behaviour of backpackers is what the problem is all about & bad relations result.

Yeah I will agree with you that this thread is about "Dont leave your manners at home". I can relate to the journalist and probably your experiences there are a plenty of idiots about and unfortunately for us they probably had Irish accents, but I recently downloaded and watched an old UK program called Australia Uncovered that I first watched on Sky TV in 2003. Mostly based around Sydney and especially Bondi and Bondi Junction. What struck me was that back in 2001/2002 there were plenty of British Backpackers knocking around and if anyone ever watched this program would know there was a fair amount of messing by the Brits as well.

My conclusion is that Bondi is to Muppets what Mecca is to Islam, and from some experience the same goes for the locals around there too. I understand that these people are annoying your happiness but you are best using the law to chuck them out on their ear and to be honest I would agree with it, these idiots are not doing the rest of us any favors and when you see it on current affair or hear about it on the Joe Duffy show it kind of makes me cringe.

** Also a good tip is if you want to quote what someone posts in a grey bubble use the QUOTE button in the post you want to reply to.**

ellaq

So what happened to all the British backpackers? Are they still around?

I can't believe it but it is now 15 years since I did the WHV. I was only 19 and I remember that there was a lot more British around than Irish back then. And many behaved just like the Irish backpackers described here. I guess that it can only be described as Youth culture. I also house shared with some Aussie and South Africans in London and they behaved just the same.

Mellor

whydoibother? wrote: »

I believe the thread is about "don't leave your manners at home". That would be a good idea - that is a proactive solution.

TBH the level of manners you have shown here isn't exactly what I would call desirable.

greenprincess

'Its multiculturalism is remarkably successful; its people are genuinely friendly, bereft of cynicism and assiduously polite'

Hum.... this quite struck me. Look I do really like Australia but one thing that I have noticed is how racist they are!! More so in the countryside but in the city to.
For example, one girl I was friends with in Sydney was saying she wants to move to The USA but her dad is really worried she'll 'end up the same way as her poor aunt and think of what sort of life her unfortunate cousin will have now' I was thinking of jes what happened the woman. She says 'oh well she married a black man, he was awful'. I was shocked like totally shocked, her whole family think its some sort of terrrible shame that her aunt has married a black man.
Now I know not all Australians are like this, not by any stretch. From what I have encountered they love the Irish! However, from the way I have heard them talk about other races, mainly people who arent white is disgusting, I have actually had to ask people to stop talking before because it was sick the things they were sayign. And quite often they are totally wrapped up in Australia for a lot of them the world outside doesnt exist. So I really dont see how you would say multiculturalism is remarkably successful here.

Zambia

greenprincess wrote: »

So I really dont see how you would say multiculturalism is remarkably successful here.

Depends what are your goal posts for success?

You cant call something a failure if you dont set the finish line for success.

greenprincess

Zambia wrote: »

Depends what are your goal posts for success?

You cant call something a failure if you dont set the finish line for success.

ya thats true. I guess I have just been pretty shocked by how racist quite a number of Australian are

endabob1

greenprincess wrote: »

ya thats true. I guess I have just been pretty shocked by how racist quite a number of Australian are

Try asking them about Aboriginal land rights and see how far you get

Zambia

Ok anyone want in before the lock?

jank

Zambia

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