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Report - Ecstasy does not cause brain harm, dangers greatly exaggerated
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That's the problem though, people don't even know these websites exist, which is a travesty
If I ever get offered a pill with an unfamiliar stamp, I simply go home and test it with my Marquis reagent which tells me right away if i'm on to a winner or not. It pays to be an informed recreational drug taker!
Hmm, this is interesting, how does this work??
Lately have been getting all Blue Diamonds anyway
Im sure a few of the thousands of posters on this site have been affected by ecstasy use either by themselves or family/friends. I can tell you it defintely does affect the brain medically causing chemical imbalances. You dont need a "scientific study" to prove this.
ah, ok, best ignore the scientific study and listen to the randomer on the internet so :P0 -
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dearg lady wrote: »Hmm, this is interesting, how does this work??
Lately have been getting all Blue Diamonds anyway
ah, ok, best ignore the scientific study and listen to the randomer on the internet so :P
Did you talk to the scientist yourself?0 -
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dearg lady wrote: »ha, just face it, I'm gonna listen to people who actually know what they're talkin about (note that isn't solely scientists
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I prefer to look at the facts and make my own decisions instead of listening to hysterical scaremongering
couldnt agree more its like taking sex tips from a virgin:D0 -
OK, I think these sentiments have highlighted the problem here, and it's one of attitude.
I think the problem is desire and people being blinded by it. Ignoring the risks for the sake of a high. Denying their better instinct.
You seem bemused by the notion that someone could call you up
on spreading misinformation on a particular chemical, yet abstain from use of same.
Im more surprised really that someone would consider me (train spotting stamp collector that i am) to be some kind of anti drugs advocate out to spoil christmas and I havent spread any misinformation.
What this suggests to me is you may have a tendency to hold black-and-white views on issued and refuse to accept there may be a middle ground.
what the above suggests to me is that you may have a tendency to believe that black and white situations dont exist in this world, that anybody suggesting there is no gray area is small minded and should know better, that every situation has a middle ground. flip a coin and open your superior mind.
From where I'm standing, I see nothing unusual about the poster's attitude.
I think boxing is a fantastic sport for anyone to take up - one of the best for all-round fitness with the added bonus of conferring you the ability to defend yourself should the need arise. It's also a safe sport if you're fighting at an amateur level and wearing protective gear. Yet I don't box, nor do I have any plans to take up the sport. Not for fear of damage or injury, I just don't want to, and I don't think there's any onus on me to qualify my reasons.:D:D Saw that old chestnut coming from before i clicked post.
What you're saying to the poster quoted is like saying to me "Pace2008, you hypocrite! So boxing's a good hobby that's hugely beneficial to overall health, yet I don't see you in the ring there with helmet and gloves on? Are you really being honest with us? Something you're not telling us, maybe...?"
I see it more as you standing ringside at an empty ring with the equipment waiting. In my view youre standing there saying "hey boxing is cool, people have loads of fun boxing" to which i say "why not give a try then?" to which im told "the onus is not on me i dont have anything to prove".:rolleyes:
Fair enough, i wont pressure you in either case, but im just interested as to why you dont want to have some fun.
And im pretty damn sure there'll be a pefectly understandable reason.
It's the same with your claims re. manufacture of drugs and quality control. You're saying that the illegal drugs trade is unregulated (as it is) so there's no onus on the producers to adhere to strict controls. There is nothing wrong with the statmenet in and of itself (i know). But having asserted this, you go on to create a dichotomy and jump to the opposite end of the spectrum - there does not have to be the strictest control by necessity, therefore there is absolutely no control whatsoever (there isnt), and the dealers will pump their produce full of cyanide and arsenic (not poisons, just random ****) and Dutch Gold because they just don't give a ****. (which they dont, whoever they are this week)
Within any given market there's always a level of disparity amongst the consumers, their expectations of the end product and the price they're willing to pay for it. In the automotive business you have people who want Ferraris and people are happy to drive second-hand Micras.
As you have 1 year guarantees or details of service history, people take the investment of their money seriously. drug users invest their life yet it seems to be the second hand car buyer who checks up more. Someone buying a car/other product from a stranger off a website basing judgement only on a picture and anonymous reports would be a fool.
Within the ecstasy market you have Stabber and Smoker who'll buy Purple Shockers for 10c each, and you have Pac2008 and his mates who'll hand over €10 a pill if they know they're getting a premium product. (they wont know in advance)
The manufacturers (criminal and unknown) who want to target the latter market have to excercise some degree of quality control by necessity
(even in the case of them bothering with quality control theres no counterfeit counter-measures whatsoever, i could mould a bag of identical looking pills).
Sites like Bluelight , Pillreports and EcstasyData play the role of the regulator.
they do this through user reports, if you want a one star or five star rating on the pill known as "pink cock" i can make it so, maybe i sell them
(who the f:pac:k builds and backs these sites anyway, strangers or dealers?)
Pillreports describes itself as "a harm reduction tool and does not condemn or condone ecstasy use". Why should there be an assumption of possible harm?
Is it the kind of harm found on bluelights help formus under the titles of "in desperate need of help - ecstacy problems".
Heres the first opening sentences of the homepage of your self appointed drug regulators site.
"Pills sold as "Ecstasy" often include other, potentially more dangerous, substances". <<<<
" Prevention is always better than cure, as you cannot cure death."
Now when i see something like that it sets alarm bells ringing, cause its basically saying this one endevour youre about to set out on may just kill or seriously injure you immediately.
Perhaps the end product may not be up the standard that's expected by the legal pharmaceutical industry, but the fact that pills containing MDMA as the only active ingredient keep appearing (along with many others) (as verified by a government-approved body; keep willfully ignoring that one) (a test that proves content of x doesnt prove same for y, needing such a test should suggest risk)proves that the regulators and a savvymarket are keeping some of the producers in line.
You seem to think that every user of your savvy market has checked these :rolleyes:entirely trustworthy:rolleyes: websites, this savvy market is made up of people who injest random substances from random people which have unknown effects on their brain, ill bet the sites have less yearly hits x 100 than pills there are consumed monthly.
(where do the bad pills go btw
)
As an aside, you might want to dust off the OED and look up the definition of "hypocrite." It doesn't mean what you think it does.
One looked it up, fits the context fairly well from what one remembers of ones post.0 -
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Would that not be exactly the type of thing that needs a "scientific study" to proveIm sure a few of the thousands of posters on this site have been affected by ecstasy use either by themselves or family/friends. I can tell you it defintely does affect the brain medically causing chemical imbalances. You dont need a "scientific study" to prove this. 0 -
You guys are seriously, seriously tempting me now!! Haha, the come downs and 2 day long skags were the worst though, are you sure they are skag free pills? What causes it?
The blue diamonds like previous posters have said are good
You dont need many over the night either as they are fairly strong.
No skag the next day, i'm not sure what causes that but the blue ones dont give ya skag the next day.
The good thing is you dont bother with much alcohol on them, so no hangover as such. As soon as you get some food in yer belly your sorted and ready to take on the world
I'm not trying to promote taking them, just giving my view.0 -
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blueyedson wrote: »The blue diamonds like previous posters have said are good
You dont need many over the night either as they are fairly strong.
No skag the next day, i'm not sure what causes that but the blue ones dont give ya skag the next day.
The good thing is you dont bother with much alcohol on them, so no hangover as such. As soon as you get some food in yer belly your sorted and ready to take on the world
I'm not trying to promote taking them, just giving my view.
Food the day after taking yokes, bleergh!!!!0 -
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Every human on earth is biased to some extent, and will have a tendency to disregard information that contradicts their views whilst accepting anything that backs them up, to varying degrees.I think the problem is desire and people being blinded by it. Ignoring the risks for the sake of a high. Denying their better instinct.
You, for example, seem to be ignoring the fact that government-approved lab facilities have analysed user samples and concluded their only active ingredient is MDMA.
I will lay this out very clearly now, and if you maintain an absoutist stance I can do no more: I do not "ignore" the risks. I accept there will always be at least some degree of risk attached to illegal drug use (as there is with many legal, socially acceptable activities). But I do my research and enact harm reduction measures that mitigate the risk to the point where I feel the payoff of complete chemical bliss is worth it.
And the risk is simply not as high as you seem to believe. If it was, we would have mass-deaths every weekend and a pandemic of severe cognitive complications from people foolishly imbibing this killer drug.
Complete strawman. Could you please point out to me where I said or even implied you were some rabid, Reaganesque anti-drug advocate? You categorically labelled all pill uses as idiots and, as a participating member of said demographic, I took issue with this.Im more surprised really that someone would consider me (train spotting stamp collector that i am) to be some kind of anti drugs advocate out to spoil christmas and I havent spread any misinformation.
You are claiming that all ecstasy users are clueless morons. This is misinformation.
You are claiming that no drug producers exercise quality control on the production line. They links I've provided you with show that some producers do indeed enact a degree of quality control, not out out of altruism but to maximise profit margins by cornering the more discriminate niche of the market.
As such, I would categorise this assertion as misinformation.
You are comparing a subjective issue to one of complete objectivity. You fail so hard at analogies.what the above suggests to me is that you may have a tendency to believe that black and white situations dont exist in this world, that anybody suggesting there is no gray area is small minded and should know better, that every situation has a middle ground. flip a coin and open your superior mind.
Come to think of it, there's a very slight possibility a coin could land on its side. Double fail.
Ah yes, the old boxing analogy in retort to a false dichotomy. Tired and predictable
Saw that old chestnut coming from before i clicked post.
So anyone who claims to approve of, or be indifferent to, any given activity is in fact a disingenous liar who is, in fact, avoiding said activity for some ulterior reason? Does this actually make sense to you?I see it more as you standing ringside at an empty ring with the equipment waiting. In my view youre standing there saying "hey boxing is cool, people have loads of fun boxing" to which i say "why not give a try then?" to which im told "the onus is not on me i dont have anything to prove".
Fair enough, i wont pressure you in either case, but im just interested as to why you dont want to have some fun.
And im pretty damn sure there'll be a pefectly understandable reason.
David Nutt has long been claiming that MDMA is not the demon drug it's held to be in popular opinion, and that mounting evidence suggests that it could actually be relatively safe. So within your logical framework, this means:
a) David Nutt is a liar who, for some unfathomable reason, is falsely claiming MDMA is not particularly dangerous psychoactive, or
b) David Nutt is a major mangler who gets completely out of his tree on a regular basis.
Black and white. The level of regulation within the illegal drugs trade may not be up to the level of that imposed on the pharmaceutical industry, but the fact that there is no official regulation on the trade does not mean that there is absolutely no regulation on the trade.(there isnt),
Vague and unsubstatiated, in keeping with your contribution to this thread.(not poisons, just random ****)
What random crap is contained in Blue Diamonds, for example? Just one specific example of this deadly random ****.
They sure as hell give a **** about their bank balance or they wouldn't have followed their chosen career path. If producing a qulaity product will keep the in the black, they will produce a quality product.(which they dont, whoever they are this week)
Consider the number of people who use ecstasy and the number of related deaths. This is not the game of Russian Roulette you're making it out to be.As you have 1 year guarantees or details of service history, people take the investment of their money seriously. drug users invest their life yet it seems to be the second hand car buyer who checks up more. Someone buying a car/other product from a stranger off a website basing judgement only on a picture and anonymous reports would be a fool.
Keep ignoring everything I've said throughout this thread, cheers.(they wont know in advance)
It happens. As outlined above, I've accepted there is some degree of risk. Thanks to the internet, word spreads quickly in such instances, and basic marquis or even smell or taste tests can give an indication if something's wrong.(even in the case of them bothering with quality control theres no counterfeit counter-measures whatsoever, i could mould a bag of identical looking pills).
Drug dealers are vastly outnumbered by drug users. These users are utterly contemptuous of crap drugs and those who peddle them. Dodgy reports are shot down very quickly.they do this through user reports, if you want a one star or five star rating on the pill known as "pink cock" i can make it so, maybe i sell them
Bluelight started as a site where ecstasy users could share experiences with the drug and related harm-reduction measures. Bluelight is funded by advertising fees, as well as by donations from drug users who are interested in spreading information on harm-reduction measures and engineering a market where quality drugs are available (and talking about getting ****ed up). Pillreports is a sister site to Bluelight. Ecstasydata charge a fee of $40 for pill analysis which is used to cover overheads.(who the f
k builds and backs these sites anyway, strangers or dealers?)
You could have found that out as easily as I, but obviously you're not remotely interested in expanding your knowledge on this subject, and will continue to shift goalposts and conjure up ad-hoc hypothesis as your argument flounders.
Because there is a possibility of harm if one goes necking anything that comes their way without doing their homework first?Pillreports describes itself as "a harm reduction tool and does not condemn or condone ecstasy use". Why should there be an assumption of possible harm?
Yes?Is it the kind of harm found on bluelights help formus under the titles of "in desperate need of help - ecstacy problems".
What point are you even trying to make? There are many pills out there that are completely inactive, or make you feel **** for days, or do serious harm. You can take that as an axiom. That's why sites like Pillreports exist - so users can differentiate between pills that contain MDMA and pills that contain complete ****. The goal of these sites is harm reduction. Helping users identify which pills may do them damage helps reduce associated harm.Heres the first opening sentences of the homepage of your self appointed drug regulators site.
"Pills sold as "Ecstasy" often include other, potentially more dangerous, substances". <<<<
" Prevention is always better than cure, as you cannot cure death."
Now when i see something like that it sets alarm bells ringing, cause its basically saying this one endevour youre about to set out on may just kill or seriously injure you immediately.
I'm here staring at the analysis on Blue Diamonds but no matter what angle I look at it from it seems the only active ingredient is MDMA.
(along with many others)
What ****ing phantom are you arguing with here? I have acknowledged that there are countless bogey pills out there. If the producers all made MDMA and nothing but MDMA, EcstasyData would not exist.(a test that proves content of x doesnt prove same for y, needing such a test should suggest risk)
I don't think that at all and I have no idea how you've inferred this. I never said the entire userbase was astute. I said that there were savvy users amongst the userbase.You seem to think that every user of your savvy market has checked theseentirely trustworthy websites, this savvy market is made up of people who injest random substances from random people which have unknown effects on their brain,
I have met many drug users who are complete retards and will take anything once it gets them ****ed. I also know many drug users who will use the resources mentioned and will only take pills they know contain MDMA
This would bolster your original argument strongly if you'd said that some pill-poppers are mentally deficient, rather than made the absolutist statement that all pill-poppers are mentally deficient.ill bet the sites have less yearly hits x 100 than pills there are consumed monthly.
They get munched by the idiots I've acknowledged exist whilst the shrewder clubbers look on sadly in a state of drug-induced sympathy.(where do the bad pills go btw)
You must have bought that dictionary from the same place you acquired your Mutli-Quote userguide and your vopy of Analogies for the Absolute Beginner. There is nothing remotely hypocritical about their sentiments.One looked it up, fits the context fairly well from what one remembers of ones post.0 -
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