Celtic Vs Rangers (Part 4 of 7) 20th Feb 12:15

A Dub in Glasgo · 20-02-2011 5:53pm

BERBA wrote: »

if hooper was that good he would have ended up in the best league in the world as opposed to one of the worst:rolleyes:

What good?

You jumped in here with two feet stating 'Get real, Hooper and Commons are Chmpionship quality players at best' when Parkhead67 said Hooper is twice the player Jelavic is.

What exactly is your point here?

spiralism · 20-02-2011 5:54pm

BERBA wrote: »

if hooper was that good he would have ended up in the best league in the world as opposed to one of the worst:rolleyes:

Playing in the SPL does not a bad player make. Otherwise how would you explain Henrik Larsson?

d22ontour · 20-02-2011 5:54pm

BERBA wrote: »

if hooper was that good he would have ended up in the best league in the world as opposed to one of the worst

La Liga ?

PARKHEAD67 · 20-02-2011 6:05pm

BERBA wrote: »

if hooper was that good he would have ended up in the best league in the world as opposed to one of the worst:rolleyes:

The andy carroll transfer proves how distorted from reality the EPL is.Hes worth 35mil after a couple of goals ffs. Whos to say Hooper wouldnt have scored a couple of EPL goals if he was a newcastle player. Would he also be worth 35 mil??? The EPL is the be all and end all sure.:rolleyes:. No other league comes near and you cant possibly be a good player unless you play in the EPL.What a pile of ****e.

BERBA · 20-02-2011 6:08pm

PARKHEAD67 wrote: »

The andy carroll transfer proves how distorted from reality the EPL is.Hes worth 35mil after a couple of goals ffs. Whos to say Hooper wouldnt have scored a couple of EPL goals if he was a newcastle player. Would he also be worth 35 mil??? The EPL is the be all and end all sure.:rolleyes:. No other league comes near and you cant possibly be a good player unless you play in the EPL.What a pile of ****e.

you wont get very far playing for scunny and celtic imo

also look at anthony stokes , complete failure in england , goes to celtic and banging em in for fun. Parkhead67 i;d fancy you to get 20+ goals a season in that league.

flahavaj · 20-02-2011 6:10pm

PARKHEAD67 wrote: »

The andy carroll transfer proves how distorted from reality the EPL is.Hes worth 35mil after a couple of goals ffs. Whos to say Hooper wouldnt have scored a couple of EPL goals if he was a newcastle player. Would he also be worth 35 mil??? The EPL is the be all and end all sure.:rolleyes:. No other league comes near and you cant possibly be a good player unless you play in the EPL.What a pile of ****e.

Well if you're trying to suggest that the level of quality in the SPL comes anywhere close to that of the EPL then you're beyond deluded.

daithijjj · 20-02-2011 6:14pm

A Dub in Glasgo wrote: »

Hooper has a better goal scoring ratio than Carroll in the Championship last season. Hooper playing with a struggling team & Carroll playing with the team that romped to the EPL. Carroll has a good early season in the EPL and all of a sudden he is worth tens of millions and you are dismissing Hooper. Take those EPL tinted specs off.

I dont think that the money argument for carroll is a good one to be honest. The liverpool owner has said himself that the price for carroll was totally based on a carroll plus 15mil quote to chelsea. The whole deal was based on newcastles valuation, the chelsea owner has more money than sense imho.

Having said that, carroll has terrorised that defence that beat barca the other night (and a few others) and has 10 good years ahead of him.

That_Guy · 20-02-2011 6:18pm

How did Forster play today lads?

A Dub in Glasgo · 20-02-2011 6:18pm

flahavaj wrote: »

Well if you're trying to suggest that the level of quality in the SPL comes anywhere close to that of the EPL then you're beyond deluded.

I don't think he was suggesting that at all. He was comparing the darling of the EPL [Carroll] with Hooper and stated, quite factually, that Hooper and Carroll can be compared last season and Hooper comes out top. Hooper goes to Celtic and is declared 'Championship quality at best' and Carroll goes to the EPL and becomes a £35m player. You tell me who is wearing the rose tinted specs?

A Dub in Glasgo · 20-02-2011 6:19pm

That_Guy wrote: »

How did Forster play today lads?

Not bad although he was not tested much, had one important intevention when the Diouf tried to lob him!

PARKHEAD67 · 20-02-2011 6:20pm

BERBA wrote: »

you wont get very far playing for scunny and celtic imo

also look at anthony stokes , complete failure in england , goes to celtic and banging em in for fun. Parkhead67 i;d fancy you to get 20+ goals a season in that league.

Stokes didnt even make the starting 11. Hes still young. So he didnt make it at Arsenal.Not many do. Went off the rails at Sunderland-didnt get much of a chance either. Celtic would EASILY hold their own in the EPL with the current squad. :cool:

A Dub in Glasgo · 20-02-2011 6:22pm

daithijjj wrote: »

I dont think that the money argument for carroll is a good one to be honest. The liverpool owner has said himself that the price for carroll was totally based on a carroll plus 15mil quote to chelsea. The whole deal was based on newcastles valuation, the chelsea owner has more money than sense imho.
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Remove that £15m and Liverpool still paid tens of million for him

flahavaj · 20-02-2011 6:23pm

A Dub in Glasgo wrote: »

I don't think he was suggesting that at all. He was comparing the darling of the EPL [Carroll] with Hooper and stated, quite factually, that Hooper and Carroll can be compared last season and Hooper comes out top. Hooper goes to Celtic and is declared 'Championship quality at best' and Carroll goes to the EPL and becomes a £35m player. You tell me who is wearing the rose tinted specs?

Well I'm not going to defend anything BERBA says anyway!

We won't really ever know what level Hooper is at until a few years time, when he either moves on from the SPL (which is a poor league) and eitehr sinks or wims at a higher level. I think he might have a chance, looks a decent player to me. Carroll has already done enough in his short time in teh Prem to show that he will have qgood career at that level. the transfer fee, like most in football was a nonsense and more a product of where he was born and the timing of teh ytransfer than his skill on the field.

PARKHEAD67 · 20-02-2011 6:23pm

flahavaj wrote: »

Well if you're trying to suggest that the level of quality in the SPL comes anywhere close to that of the EPL then you're beyond deluded.

I was talking about Hooper being a quality player. IF you cant see that your clearly beyond deluded. Just coz he doesnt play in the land of milk & honey doesnt alter this.;)

BERBA · 20-02-2011 6:23pm

PARKHEAD67 wrote: »

Celtic would EASILY hold their own in the EPL with the current squad. :cool:

wouldnt think so tbh , they would struggle all day long to stay up , take off those hoop coloured specs mate

daithijjj · 20-02-2011 6:23pm

A Dub in Glasgo wrote: »

Remove that £15m and Liverpool still paid tens of million for him

Liverpool didnt spend any money in january.

PARKHEAD67 · 20-02-2011 6:27pm

BERBA wrote: »

wouldnt think so tbh , they would struggle all day long to stay up , take off those hoop coloured specs mate

Celtics team is full of internationalists.Why wouldnt they hold their own in the wonderland that is the EPL? the likes of stoke,wba,wolves, birmingham.FFS gimme a break

SantryRed · 20-02-2011 6:30pm

PARKHEAD67 wrote: »

Celtics team is full of internationalists.Why wouldnt they hold their own in the wonderland that is the EPL? the likes of stoke,wba,wolves, birmingham.FFS gimme a break

International players for muck countries though

Pompey Magnus · 20-02-2011 6:41pm

BERBA wrote: »

wouldnt think so tbh , they would struggle all day long to stay up , take off those hoop coloured specs mate

Are you basing that on how Man Utd have beaten Celtic and Rangers comfortably in the 6 times they have met over the last 5 years in Europe...oh wait, no they didn't, in fact it has been pretty much consistently close run affairs.

I mean Utd drew with a threadbare Rangers squad this season in Ibrox and struggled to beat them in Old Trafford. And this is Manchester United, the most successful team in the history of the Premiership and both sides of the Old Firm have a credible record against them in recent years.

SantryRed · 20-02-2011 6:42pm

Pompey Magnus wrote: »

Are you basing that on how Man Utd have beaten Celtic and Rangers comfortably in the 6 times they have met over the last 5 years in Europe...oh wait, no they didn't, in fact it has been pretty much consistently close run affairs.

I mean Utd drew with a threadbare Rangers squad this season in Ibrox and struggled to beat them in Old Trafford. And this is Manchester United, the most successful team in the history of the Premiership.

You're comparing one off games. Rangers are well drilled at putting many players behind the ball. Celtic and Rangers would hover around the relegation zone in the EPL.

Eirebear · 20-02-2011 6:51pm

Well done Celtic, only one team was anywhere near worthy of winning today.

PauloMN · 20-02-2011 7:03pm

I love Izzy and Hooper. That is all.

A Dub in Glasgo · 20-02-2011 7:08pm

SantryRed wrote: »

Celtic and Rangers would hover around the relegation zone in the EPL.

Not this **** again. This is so juvenile, if Celtic (or even Rangers) were in the EPL, the context will have changed they will massively increase the amount of money available to them (TV money) and players who do not come to the SPL would look at joining.

It is juvenile simply because it is speculation and you are basing one circumstance (playing in the SPL) with another circumstance (playing in the EPL) without taking into account any changes that would happen.

partyndbs · 20-02-2011 7:11pm

A Dub in Glasgo wrote: »

Not this **** again. This is so juvenile, if Celtic (or even Rangers) were in the EPL, the context will have changed they will massively increase the amount of money available to them (TV money) and players who do not come to the SPL would look at joining.

It is juvenile simply because it is speculation and you are basing one circumstance (playing in the SPL) with another circumstance (playing in the EPL) without taking into account any changes that would happen.

you could say the same about shelbourne

A Dub in Glasgo · 20-02-2011 7:20pm

partyndbs wrote: »

you could say the same about shelbourne

Yes you could

flahavaj · 20-02-2011 7:55pm

PARKHEAD67 wrote: »

Celtics team is full of internationalists.Why wouldnt they hold their own in the wonderland that is the EPL? the likes of stoke,wba,wolves, birmingham.FFS gimme a break

All those other teams have squads full of international as well to be fair. You have a very large chip on your shoulder about the PL don't you?

Celtic would be a bottom six team in the EPL IMO.

ColeTrain · 20-02-2011 8:11pm

BERBA wrote: »

lets get a bit real here hooper and commons were and are at best championship players and dont get me wrong i love the celts but they are a championship team , the competition is rangers:eek: and look how bad they are

BERBA wrote: »

if hooper was that good he would have ended up in the best league in the world as opposed to one of the worst:rolleyes:

BERBA wrote: »

wouldnt think so tbh , they would struggle all day long to stay up , take off those hoop coloured specs mate

You sound like a walking advert for Sky. Another person deluded with this "best league in the World" crap. Because everyone wants to watch Birmingham vs Stoke.

Do you really think the Premier league is that special? Celtic would have no problem taking points off any team in that league on a given day. Not suggesting they could win it or anything but definitely could hold their own.

Look at Blackpool this season, a team made up of rejects showing up a load of teams in your coveted league. There are some dire clubs in that league who wouldn't win the SPL.

SantryRed wrote: »

International players for muck countries though

Muck countries who qualified for the World cup.

Juarez started for Mexico, Samaras for Greece, Izzy for Honduras. Cha and Ki all started for Korea.

Majstorivic has 40 caps for Sweden

Hinkel has 21 caps for Germany.

I could go on. Hardly all muck countries ffs.

partyndbs wrote: »

you could say the same about shelbourne

No you couldn't. The fact Celtic can even compete with lower EPL teams in the transfer market is a testament to how big a club they really are.

Celtic make hardly any money from TV rights whilst soul less EPL teams with bring in 40-60million per annum. Celtic make the difference up by season book sales and merchandise. If they were to receive that sort of money every season then they would be competing for Champions league spots in the EPL after a few seasons.

Shelbourne wouldn't.

A Dub in Glasgo · 20-02-2011 8:17pm

Can anyone explain why Kayal was booked by Brines?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sFn8zs2uL7c

Pompey Magnus · 20-02-2011 8:40pm

ColeTrain wrote: »

There are some dire clubs in that league who wouldn't win the SPL.

Spot on, if you put midtable English teams like Blackburn or Bolton into the SPL with a wage and transfer budget suitable for a team playing in Scotland and they would not find it easy to compete with the Old Firm. They are basically small teams from small cities with artificially high budgets thanks to Sky.

Anyone who thinks the Old Firm would not compete in England has deluded themselves into believing there is something inherently special about most of English football, with a few exceptions the only thing that is special about most of the teams is the £££.

ColeTrain · 20-02-2011 9:00pm

Pompey Magnus wrote: »

Spot on, if you put midtable English teams like Blackburn or Bolton into the SPL with a wage and transfer budget suitable for a team playing in Scotland and they would not find it easy to compete with the Old Firm. They are basically small teams from small cities with artificially high budgets thanks to Sky.

Anyone who thinks the Old Firm would not compete in England has deluded themselves into believing there is something inherently special about most of English football, with a few exceptions the only thing that is special about most of the teams is the £££.

Most teams have trouble selling out their grounds to watch the product that is "the best league in the world". How long would they last in the SPL watching their teams at home to Hamilton?

The EPL is home to a few good genuine clubs, the rest are being propped up by Rupert Murdoch. Laughable how much of a pedestal some put that league on.

PomBear · 20-02-2011 10:28pm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7VjGvLib8qg

A Dub in Glasgo · 20-02-2011 11:35pm

The BBC are rubbing it in tonight

PARKHEAD67 · 20-02-2011 11:48pm

partyndbs wrote: »

you could say the same about shelbourne

Ya. shels have approximately the same fan base as Celtic

.Ticket sales of about1,500. JEEBUS.

PARKHEAD67 · 20-02-2011 11:52pm

ColeTrain wrote: »

You sound like a walking advert for Sky. Another person deluded with this "best league in the World" crap. Because everyone wants to watch Birmingham vs Stoke.

Do you really think the Premier league is that special? Celtic would have no problem taking points off any team in that league on a given day. Not suggesting they could win it or anything but definitely could hold their own.

Look at Blackpool this season, a team made up of rejects showing up a load of teams in your coveted league. There are some dire clubs in that league who wouldn't win the SPL.

Muck countries who qualified for the World cup.

Juarez started for Mexico, Samaras for Greece, Izzy for Honduras. Cha and Ki all started for Korea.

Majstorivic has 40 caps for Sweden

Hinkel has 21 caps for Germany.

I could go on. Hardly all muck countries ffs.

No you couldn't. The fact Celtic can even compete with lower EPL teams in the transfer market is a testament to how big a club they really are.

Celtic make hardly any money from TV rights whilst soul less EPL teams with bring in 40-60million per annum. Celtic make the difference up by season book sales and merchandise. If they were to receive that sort of money every season then they would be competing for Champions league spots in the EPL after a few seasons.

Shelbourne wouldn't.

This post sums up my thoughts exactly. Over and out ColeTrain:)

PARKHEAD67 · 20-02-2011 11:54pm

ColeTrain wrote: »

Most teams have trouble selling out their grounds to watch the product that is "the best league in the world". How long would they last in the SPL watching their teams at home to Hamilton?

The EPL is home to a few good genuine clubs, the rest are being propped up by Rupert Murdoch. Laughable how much of a pedestal some put that league on.

This man speaks the truth:D

PARKHEAD67 · 20-02-2011 11:56pm

A Dub in Glasgo wrote: »

The BBC are rubbing it in tonight

Was that on BBC Scotland? Guess he doesnt like "the peeeple".

A Dub in Glasgo · 21-02-2011 12:02am

National BBC

PARKHEAD67 · 21-02-2011 12:22am

A Dub in Glasgo wrote: »

National BBC

its a touch of class from that newsreader.I like him:D

ColeTrain · 21-02-2011 12:28am

PARKHEAD67 wrote: »

This man speaks the truth:D

It's a great day to be a Celt.. Hail Hail

PARKHEAD67 · 21-02-2011 1:50am

ColeTrain wrote: »

It's a great day to be a Celt.. Hail Hail

treble time. Or am I being a little cocky?In lenny we thrust:)

Eirebear · 21-02-2011 1:59am

PARKHEAD67 wrote: »

In lenny we thrust:)

Freudian slip?

3hn2givr7mx1sc · 21-02-2011 2:01am

PARKHEAD67 wrote: »

In lenny we thrust:)

PARKHEAD67 · 21-02-2011 2:05am

Eirebear wrote: »

Freudian slip?

Lenny is thrusting.Into the gers.Look EB i know how how you feel after an of defeat. Im not gonna rub salt to the wounds.I reckon ye should throw everything to the europa this year coz we have the treble wrapped up.:D(Joke)

Eirebear · 21-02-2011 2:13am

PARKHEAD67 wrote: »

Lenny is thrusting.Into the gers.Look EB i know how how you feel after an of defeat. Im not gonna rub salt to the wounds.I reckon ye should throw everyting to the europa this year coz we have the treble wrapped up.:D(Joke)

lol, got to admit i was hurting like hell earlier. Not because you lot won, more because of how gutless and spineless we looked during it.

Still, theres a lot of football to be played, the cup games take on a huge significance in terms of psychology now too, Celtic have a lot of confidence and belief going into them and Rangers need wins to put some doubt back in their minds.

ColeTrain · 21-02-2011 2:17am

Eirebear wrote: »

lol, got to admit i was hurting like hell earlier. Not because you lot won, more because of how gutless and spineless we looked during it.

Still, theres a lot of football to be played, the cup games take on a huge significance in terms of psychology now too, Celtic have a lot of confidence and belief going into them and Rangers need wins to put some doubt back in their minds.

I'm watching it again now. Don't think we were that good, certainly can play better.

Rangers were indeed spineless, McGregor had a bad game. Weir is definitely finished, laughable how Hooper stole 5 yards on him then left him trailing 5 yards!
Rangers have no depth now. When Laughtery is one of your only options from the bench then it's not good. Anymore injuries will really test the legs of your players for the run in.

PARKHEAD67 · 21-02-2011 2:23am

Eirebear wrote: »

lol, got to admit i was hurting like hell earlier. Not because you lot won, more because of how gutless and spineless we looked during it.

Still, theres a lot of football to be played, the cup games take on a huge significance in terms of psychology now too, Celtic have a lot of confidence and belief going into them and Rangers need wins to put some doubt back in their minds.

That rangers team is the worst ive seen.(EVER-IM 31)They have absoloutely no heart or pride. Rangers always had players that wore yeer jersey with pride(Why -i Dunno) but that team today was a team of losers.They looked like they knew they were going to be beaten.And even worse for your sake-DIDNT CARE.

seafood dunleavy · 21-02-2011 2:40am

Brilliant that we've hit form coming into our hardest run of games.Aberdeen twice,Hearts,Rangers in the cup,Dundee United away and Rangers today.Winning them all and drawing the cup game.Title winning performances!

celticbhoy27 · 21-02-2011 4:23am

what was the rangers banner at the start of the game (shown on sky) something about foes?

PauloMN · 21-02-2011 8:44am

Anyone know what Naismith's injury is? Will it keep him out of the replay I wonder?

Eirebear · 21-02-2011 9:34am

celticbhoy27 wrote: »

what was the rangers banner at the start of the game (shown on sky) something about foes?

I think it was "We'erer we go, we'll fear no foe" (From the Blue Flag song) couldnt quite make it out though.

PauloMN wrote: »

Anyone know what Naismith's injury is? Will it keep him out of the replay I wonder?

He's been struggling since he was involved in a car crash over the Christmas period, i think its something to do with the thigh/hamstring area. I dont think he'll be fully fit for the rest of the season. You could see it in him yesterday, he didnt have his usual change of pace.

Celtic Vs Rangers (Part 4 of 7) 20th Feb 12:15

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