Cork gone down the tubes?

fergisimo

To be honest, I think more than anything the city needs a big fat ****ing dose of culture. With the Opera House is dire straits and the Kino closing, all that's left to do in the city at night is get piss arse drunk or go to a bloody awful gig or two.

Like a poster mentioned earlier, you get scum anywhere in the world. It's unavoidable. And if you do see them doing something awful to something or someone, stand up for yourself and tell them **** right off or you'll call the Garda. I'm living out in Douglas Village and compared to the city, it's gotten 10x worse. Little guys stomping around with bottles and little girls dressed in sweet **** all. Their parents would wanna wake the **** up and come down the road and drag their arse back home.

In fact, the worst I've seen (and to me this is pretty ****ing terrible), is when I worked in the Village. On my break one night, I walked outside (behind Chartbusters) for a cigarette. After 5 minutes or so I noticed a raging ****ing fire coming from beside Dominoes Pizza. I ran over and 3 or 4 girls legged it after they saw me. I only caught a glimpse of them (the usual oul' ****ing knackers), but I did see they were warming their hands of an industrial-sized bin that they'd set fire to. I **** you not. :mad:

Red Hand

RoverJames wrote: »

That's actually quite true, I always found that area a part of town that I never really liked, I wouldn't be overly into spirits and that but I do know what you both mean. From the Coal Quay all along to the Art Gallery I'd class as somewhat eerie.

That's my favourite bit of the city actually. Love walking down past Waterstones to the Tesco.

Has that area always been a hang-out for teens? I've been living round Cork City since only 2005...have never felt in danger or threatened, but it is annoying having that big crowd outside Tesco...trying to get in or out. When it's raining, it's like there is a frigging human wall just inside the bloody door.:mad:

CorkMan

conan doyle wrote: »

You know it's not the hugging and kissing it's the way they launch themselves across your path without any consideration for who is coming along.

I'm 19.5 stone of solid muscle, i'd love for one of them to get in my way. They'd go flying across the street.

Deliverance

CorkMan wrote: »

I'm 19.5 stone of solid muscle, i'd love for one of them to get in my way. They'd go flying across the street.

so it was you that flattened that old lady then;)

Deliverance

Ps the mosquito tone talked about can be easily generated with free software and recorded to a portable device where it could be used as a potential teen repellant;).

I have done this at home but have not really tested it effectively as yet. Would be interesting to try it out though if any one wants info on how to do it.

Namlub

If you find the people who hang around by Paul Street intimidating, you don't have an awful lot to worry about. Honestly.

Namlub

Deliverance wrote: »

Ps the mosquito tone talked about can be easily generated with free software and recorded to a portable device where it could be used as a potential teen repellant;).

I have done this at home but have not really tested it effectively as yet. Would be interesting to try it out though if any one wants info on how to do it.

Well that's slightly pathetic. But by all means take out that portable device in front of a group of genuinely dodgy teens (because you won't be at all conspicuous) and see how long it lasts.

Deliverance

Namlub wrote: »

Well that's slightly pathetic. But by all means take out that portable device in front of a group of genuinely dodgy teens (because you won't be at all conspicuous) and see how long it lasts.

Generating a piece of sound is not illegal. Plus it can be done invisibly as a device that can be carried but not seen. Like I said it has not been tested to see if it works or not.

There is a carryable system in place that can disrupt phones and make them useless within the area of the 'carrier' of the tech (it negates incoming calls) this is usefull for lecturers in a roomfull of people with phones. Arguably it could negate emergency calls as well so it could be an issue in that respect.

if you know what you are doing with tech you can do anything to disrupt the current tech in place anon.

I can do this stuff, but I do not. I find it interesting though to imagine ways of using it based on what people have said to possibly use it to alleviate what is seen as a social problem.

personally I don't find the teens a problem, but if ever do then then I might test my ideas to see if they work;)

Seloth

I love how people are giving out about those that hang out in Paul street when the majority of youth problems is the scobe fellas that go around in swarms of 8-20 fellas and at random stages tear down full streets.

Lads get off yer high horses will ye,Ye complain about fun loving teens instead of those that actually cause problems.

poconnor16

Seloth wrote: »

I love how people are giving out about those that hang out in Paul street when the majority of youth problems is the scobe fellas that go around in swarms of 8-20 fellas and at random stages tear down full streets.

Lads get off yer high horses will ye,Ye complain about fun loving teens instead of those that actually cause problems.

Eh, the thread has made mention to said scobes who usually cause the most trouble. Since when does having a rant (and a giggle) equate to some form of equestrian activity?

**and the norrie gets back on her 'high horse'...neigh**
:-)

Red Hand

poconnor16 wrote: »

Eh, the thread has made mention to said scobes who usually cause the most trouble. Since when does having a rant (and a giggle) equate to some form of equestrian activity?

**and the norrie gets back on her 'high horse'...neigh**
:-)

Well, to be fair, the teens in Paul St are hardy scobes...they may hug and kiss each other and get in the way, but they are hardy violent.

indough

i have never noticed any of those paul street mugs doing anything more than standing around talking and acting gay. they are anything but aggressive and anyone who feels intimidated by a bunch of emos sitting on the ground pretending to be depressed seriously needs to grow a pair.

sammalone

Well ladsI think if law abiding older people are being intimidated while going about their daily routine in town during the daytime then it IS a problem and something should be done, I also feel for the shops around there if people are avoiing the area over these yobs!
My poor mother who is in her 70's lives near an off licence and every friday at about 5ish gangs of dodgey youths gather trying to get people to buy them drink. She is afraid to go out to the shop while they are hanging about shouting and putting graffiti on walls and doors. If I confront them and they see me coming in or going out of the house I'm afraid they will target my mothers house so I don't know what to do. Deliverence, if you think you could be of assistance then I would be interested in your high pitched technology.

Namlub

Again, the type of people who hang around outside Paul Street are not the same type of people who hang around outside offlicences and graffiti things. Maybe people's failure to make that distinction is part of the reason why they feel so intimidated, because believe it or not some teenagers are capable of congregating in groups of more than two without feeling a sudden urge to imtimidate others or act like yobs.

tweedledee

tweedledee wrote: »

I was in Cork recently,filthy place,dog **** everywhere.I was walking in a local park and got grief from a group of teenagers,they spat at me while i was getting some air,it was the last time they would spit at somebody,i battered FOUR of em,yeah FOUR of em.Some people should not be ****ed with.Respect is nice.

What park did this allegedly occur in? Also how old were these teenagers/kids?

babo9

tweedledee wrote: »

I was in Cork recently,filthy place,dog **** everywhere.I was walking in a local park and got grief from a group of teenagers,they spat at me while i was getting some air,it was the last time they would spit at somebody,i battered FOUR of em,yeah FOUR of em.Some people should not be ****ed with.Respect is nice.

Haha, maybe it's the 11 hours straight of thesis writing I just did, but I find this post hilarious

CHealy

tweedledee wrote: »

I was in Cork recently,filthy place,dog **** everywhere.I was walking in a local park and got grief from a group of teenagers,they spat at me while i was getting some air,it was the last time they would spit at somebody,i battered FOUR of em,yeah FOUR of em.Some people should not be ****ed with.Respect is nice.

I detect LIES :eek::eek::eek:

Stark

By battered them, he meant brought them all to Jackie Lennox's.

babo9

tweedledee wrote: »

I was in Cork recently,filthy place,dog **** everywhere.I was walking in a local park and got grief from a group of teenagers,they spat at me while i was getting some air,it was the last time they would spit at somebody,i battered FOUR of em,yeah FOUR of em.Some people should not be ****ed with.Respect is nice.

Did you quote that after you battered them?

poconnor16

indough wrote: »

i have never noticed any of those paul street mugs doing anything more than standing around talking and acting gay. they are anything but aggressive and anyone who feels intimidated by a bunch of emos sitting on the ground pretending to be depressed seriously needs to grow a pair.

Thanks for that - I'll let my elderly nan know that she needs to grow a pair of balls. 'Seriously nan, like man up will ya! Where are your balls?'

blah

I'm a moving to Cork in a month, never lived there before, looking forward to it! :rolleyes:

Stark

poconnor16 wrote: »

Thanks for that - I'll let my elderly nan know that she needs to grow a pair of balls. 'Seriously nan, like man up will ya! Where are your balls?'

They are totally harmless though. You can't go evicting them because of the odd person's misconceptions.

poconnor16

blah wrote: »

I'm a moving to Cork in a month, never lived there before, looking forward to it! :rolleyes:

Just dont forget to pack your balls and you'll be fine! :D

Ah no - you've nothing to worry about, I think we are just nit picking a bit here. Yes we have our fair share of scumbags, but it's minimal in comparison to bigger cities.
And re the 'Paul Street kids' - nothing to worry about really (unless you are elderly or in some way nervous of big crowds). We started discussing them as an old lady was knocked over in the shopping centre where they congregate - they're just more annoying than anything.

A bit of common sense and Cork is not that hard to navigate. (Except for the one way systems).

Welcome to the Real Capital anyway ya langer!

poconnor16

Stark wrote: »

They are totally harmless though. You can't go evicting them because of the odd person's misconceptions.

I agree with you - the majority of them are harmless. As I said, they are just annoying more than anything else. I just personally would not fancy sitting outside say Amicus for a coffee listening to them.

Big gangs of them jumping about and screaming would be intimidating to an elderly person wanting to go do shopping though.

What I have noticed is that a few 'scobes' (not Emos) have started hanging around to pick on the emo kids and that is causing trouble.

blah

poconnor16 wrote: »

And re the 'Paul Street kids' - nothing to worry about really (unless you are elderly or in some way nervous of big crowds).

No worries, I'm moving from London so I'm well used to hipster types.

langdang

Come spend a week in Limerick and ye'll realise how good Cork is...
I've even heard KERRY people praise Cork after moving to Limerick after being in Cork

Dudess

Cork is phenomenally safe. A friend of mine moved over from Glasgow and nearly wets himself at what is considered "rough" here.

tommy21

I agree OP - city has gotten rougher, especially up around St.Lukes, Summer Hill and Dillon's Cross areas. But as per Paul St., a lot of this is psychological in that you now have groups of scum hanging around the above areas but are they running riot in the streets? Not yet - there has been an increase in burglaries alright and I think it is that element we should be as worried about! For the most part people outside Paul St. are ok, just kids hanging around. Its when some of them are blocking doorways, or sharing one coffee between 10 of them in one of the cafes in the area that annoys me. But dangerous? No.

Having just returned from Woolwich Arsenal, it could be worse!

Heckler

I can see how if you're elderly the dickheads on paul st. might be intimidating. They are loud and all that crap. Anyone under 50 with half a pair of balls would tell any ten of them to **** off without fear of injury.

Bunch of emo dopes. Harmless. I'd be more afraid of my mother.

tommy21

tommy21 wrote: »

I agree OP - city has gotten rougher, especially up around St.Lukes, Summer Hill and Dillon's Cross areas.

You have a ginormous issue with that area :pac:

SomeFool

The kids on Paul Street always reminds me of Shaun of the Dead I see no major harm in them at all.

Milly33

I remember the kids hanging out in paul street when i was young and they were all fine just hung around the place perhaps playing a few tunes, but if defo has got rougher the kids are so loud and dont respect anything. Tisnt only them though the gangs that hand out by mcdonals too are mad hatters not in a fun way they are so loud. Town has defiantly changed for the worse people arent as friendly people seem to have forgotten how to be polite to other people, it doesnt matter what or who you are a bit of politness goes a long way

HooterSnout

I miss that old circular wooden bench that used to be outside there. I remember sitting on that waiting for the mother to finish doing the shopping in tescos.

ToniTuddle

conan doyle wrote: »

Another colleague has just told me that she complained to tesco when she had her shopping bag knocked from her hand breaking bottles and jars in it and was told that they are outside so outside the responsibility of Tesco.

Ok this makes no sense to me...

It's Tescos property....the car park and the trolleys outside!

If it's just wee emo kids I wouldn't mind so much. Bloody fierce annoying having to get through any gang of teenagers they are friggin deaf and blind when it comes to other folks around them who are older/way younger than them!

langdang

ToniTuddle wrote: »

Ok this makes no sense to me... :confused

Rory Gallagher square is not the property of Tesco.

tommy21

RoverJames wrote: »

You have a ginormous issue with that area :pac:

I do live there! I won't let thems terroasts gets away with my propery, innit.

CrystalLettuce

Deliverance wrote: »

Ps the mosquito tone talked about can be easily generated with free software and recorded to a portable device where it could be used as a potential teen repellant;).

I have done this at home but have not really tested it effectively as yet. Would be interesting to try it out though if any one wants info on how to do it.

The speaker in a lot of phones etc. either would have a hard time reproducing 17.4khz(but it's still well below the cutoff for over 20s, so not just teens will hear it), or enough volume for it to take effect. It's an asshole idea anyway. I can't believe people going on about their civil rights to shop being more important than the teenagers to hassle people, come on like, if you said that about muslims or gay people you'd rightfully get a slap. It's only a tiny minority of young people that are causing that hassle. People shouldn't be discriminated against because they're young, there are going to be a lot of sub 20s in there as genuine customers especially since the Gathering is in there too.

I've never gotten any hassle from the kids going into Paul Street. I don't like scene kids, I think it's a tacky fashion and the kissing and hugging is a bit silly, but they're harmless and I doubt that story with the old lady happened the way it did. The genuine scumbags are an issue, and it really worries me as someone who is generally the first target of people like that, but that just makes me angrier at the people who act like they have a rough time having to pass some kids with badly dyed hair on the way to the shops. ****'s sake like.

Also, I am 25 and can hear it perfectly(look up Mosquito Alarm on youtube), it's massively uncomfortable, and even if you can't hear it can still be disorientating. Such a dreadful invention.

ToniTuddle

langdang wrote: »

Rory Gallagher square is not the property of Tesco.

Oh I thought it was a regular tesco with the big car park out the front and such!

Dan Dare

Liveline on RTE covered the mosquito noise in Paul Street a year or so ago, the coverage began with a caller who has an autistic child who went into a shrieking fit as they neared Rory Gallagher Place. The caller was adamant that it was that mosquito noise that triggered the child's distress. I am often in Paul St on a Saturday, and my impression of the teenagers hanging around there is that they are well, teenagers and nice kids actually. Cork is a city with very little space for people to congregate in. If the incident the OP described did occur, then it was totally out of character of the vast majority of the people who hang out there.

I have not been a teenager since 1976!

joebstarsurfer

I was just joking about Cork being a village.The problem is the Emo kids being hyper lol.Cork is so father Ted like .If you want a sterile life move to Douglas!.
If an old women fell over in Douglas people would step over her).
Thank god for the Emo bstrds one group of people that arent drunk having fun .I found this by mistake but it made me laugh reminded me of the moaney middle class neighbour .Afew things that Cork people never sort out streets coverd in dog **** stray dogs and rubbish .

gbee

joebstarsurfer wrote: »

Afew things that Cork people never sort out streets coverd in dog **** stray dogs and rubbish .

Funny you mention that. I was covering a dance festival recently and there were people here [for the festival] from Scotland, Dublin and Argentina [as well as the usual scattering of tourists] and they all commented on how clean the city was, I started to disagree [?] but was firmly put in my place and it was suggested I vist their own home neighbourhoods.

Just saying like and I was not working for the tourist department, but maybe I should.

joebstarsurfer

Its diferant when youre on holiday lol.On a positive note Corks so safe the scarriest thing that can happen is annoying emo kids or orange townies .
The worst thing about the kids is there lack of Goth abit fake really not like in my day Goths didnt have facebook .The moaner should just go to MnS unless there one of those tb parents i see there scarry .

darkdubh

I've noticed an awfull lot of tinker kids hanging around Patrick St in the evenings lately.There was a shower of them fighting near brown Thomas a few weeks back,seems to be the same bunch always.

joebstarsurfer

If anything happens outside Tescos which hasnt in over alot of years i will put it up here.Cork is the mild west ).Has anyone noticed the trafic aswell terrible lol.The tax as well and the teenage mums and black taxi drivers .
Tesco blog day 1 nothing happend lol.If the emos and the Christian could fight id watch that!!!!.

CorkMan

We should allow the gun store above the fishing equipment shop to legally sell guns. That'd add a bit of colour and character to the place.

tommy21

I wonder will they lock those Emo's up for when her majesty parades our streets?

CorkMan

CorkMan wrote: »

We should allow the gun store above the fishing equipment shop to legally sell guns.

They do

Rodin

joebstarsurfer wrote: »

Its diferant when youre on holiday lol.On a positive note Corks so safe the scarriest thing that can happen is annoying emo kids or orange townies .
The worst thing about the kids is there lack of Goth abit fake really not like in my day Goths didnt have facebook .The moaner should just go to MnS unless there one of those tb parents i see there scarry .

I disagree on the safety thing. The number of people rocking up at A and E, who have been injured at someone else's hand is incredible

Chuck Stone

Lol. Emophobia. If you shouted at those kids they probably break down crying. I never feel intimidated in the city - day or night.

What's wrong with you people?

Dudess

Yeah I'm not trying to be dismissive of anyone who has experienced intimidation, and maybe I have a skewed view because I know Cork so well due to being born and bred here, but for nearly 10 years, I've lived on and off in an area close to the centre of town, which isn't dangerous overall but there are safer areas... I've gone out in Cork centre for years and years, I've walked streets of Cork at night alone (stupid, but I was drunk - wouldn't do it sober) and really, I'm from a nice "rurban" area where there's never trouble bar people getting rowdy in the pubs so I'm not a street-wise "ghetto" chick :pac:... but I just do not know what people who say Cork's gone down the tubes are talking about.
It just kinda seems like looking for something to get anxious about. Of course there will be incidents, like anywhere; unfortunately there are a few dodgy lowlives, and maybe it's because I know what streets to avoid. Maybe it's because I'm lucky. But generally, it just seems as if this place is as far from "no-go" as you could possibly get. My impression is, if Cork was ever any bit rough overall, it would have been in the past rather than now - e.g. when it was an economic blackspot 15-25 years ago. Since then however, things have picked up hugely in that regard, and there have been some very successful regeneration programmes.