In the patrol car

redsurfer

Hi all

I was talking to a full member not so long ago who is a driver, he told me that as far as he knows, Reserves were not covered by insurance. That if we are in the patrol car and it crashes we are not covered the same as full members.

Does anyone here know were we stand in relation to this. Also were I could find it write in black and white so I can show it to the full member to put his mind at easy.

Thanks

RosieMarie_91

redsurfer wrote: »

Hi all

I was talking to a full member not so long ago who is a driver, he told me that as far as he knows, Reserves were not covered by insurance. That if we are in the patrol car and it crashes we are not covered the same as full members.

Does anyone here know were we stand in relation to this. Also were I could find it write in black and white so I can show it to the full member to put his mind at easy.

Thanks

You arnt covered to drive the patrol car...as a passenger you are fine. A reserve is personally insured just like a full time gaurd just not when it comes to driving...this is what i understood from the information i have read.

redsurfer

thanks for the reply;), i know we cant drive, and we should not either.

im just looking to find out were it states we are covered in print is all

WilcoOut

redsurfer wrote: »

thanks for the reply;), i know we cant drive, and we should not either.

im just looking to find out were it states we are covered in print is all

surely to god in an emergency situation, a dire emergency situation, reserves are covered to drive a patrol car. like in the case of being attacked by a gang, or shot at or rushing an injured colleague to hospital

redsurfer

im not looking to turn this into a what if or should we or not drive etc, as it has already being done.:rolleyes:

im just looking to find were it is in print that we are covered is all

sdanseo

WilcoOut wrote: »

surely to god in an emergency situation, a dire emergency situation, reserves are covered to drive a patrol car. like in the case of being attacked by a gang, or shot at or rushing an injured colleague to hospital

If it's that dire of an emergency, you just drive the car and fúck the consequences. Saving Garda Lives > Insurance Premiums

WilcoOut

sdonn wrote: »

If it's that dire of an emergency, you just drive the car and fúck the consequences. Saving Garda Lives > Insurance Premiums

Amen to that!

you wont find me fluting around

kerry4sam

redsurfer wrote: »

Hi all

I was talking to a full member not so long ago who is a driver, he told me that as far as he knows, Reserves were not covered by insurance. That if we are in the patrol car and it crashes we are not covered the same as full members.

Does anyone here know were we stand in relation to this. Also were I could find it write in black and white so I can show it to the full member to put his mind at easy.

Thanks

Man it took some doing to find something in print, I found this in relation to "Members of An Garda Síochána who are injured on duty, through no fault of their own, can make a claim under the Garda Síochána Compensations Act" but

also found this - look at section15 "(3) Subject to subsection (5), a reserve member has, while on duty, the same powers, immunities, privileges and duties as a person appointed under section 14 to the rank of garda."

so with that, I would assume that YES we would be covered by insurance similar to the full-time members.

Thinking outside of the box for a second: Right, we would be required and utilised at check-points so what if something were to happen en route to one? That would, I am assuming have been considered when the issuing of powers to reserves was determined, so the possibility of being injured whilst on-duty in a patrol car would give us the same cover as the full-time members we would be assisting.

would it not?

redsurfer

Thanks kerry4sam

Yea i know that we should be covered, but as we all know that sometimes somethings can fall between the cracks. I will show the info to the full member, I think it may just have being a case of one Garda told another Garda thats if anything happens...... your butt is on the line. The info will put some minds to rest.

Cheers.

ZoneAlarm

redsurfer wrote: »

Hi all

I was talking to a full member not so long ago who is a driver, he told me that as far as he knows, Reserves were not covered by insurance. That if we are in the patrol car and it crashes we are not covered the same as full members.

Does anyone here know were we stand in relation to this. Also were I could find it write in black and white so I can show it to the full member to put his mind at easy.

Thanks

When the Reserves where first introduced they where not permitted in cars, or vans that has now changed a sgt or higher can detail you as a third person in either, although the portal has not been updated since 2006 nobody knows what is allowed, full time members read that and they read foot patrol old times things have progressed since 2006, and as kerry4sam has in her post.

a reserve member has, while on duty, the same powers, immunities, privileges and duties as a person appointed under section 14 to the rank of garda."

Remember a reserve Garda is a rank same as a Garda same as SGT etc and comes under the 2005 act.

Also Kerry if we are escorting a prisoner back to the station no difference people read the portal and presume its right, as i have said that has not been updated since 2006 as far as i know.

Also remember in some parts of the country stations Reserve Garda are observers as well, so it has come a long way since 2006, only problem is the rules remained unchanged for some reason, like anything things take years to change prob same for the portal lol

ZoneAlarm

found this though it might clear things up re injuries while on duty

http://www.justice.ie/en/JELR/Pages/Garda_compensation_FAQ#WhoApply

1. Who can apply? Two groups of individuals are eligible to apply for compensation under the Garda Acts:

1. Members of An Garda Síochána who sustained personal injuries (not causing death) maliciously inflicted upon them in the performance of their duties or acting in their general capacity as a member when off duty or merely because of their being a member of An Garda Síochána.
   
   Please note trainee Gardaí who have not completed phase IV of their training are not eligible under the Acts.
2. Dependents of deceased members who were fatally injured while on duty or while acting in their general capacity as a member or merely because of their being a member of An Garda Síochána. Section 3(1) of the Garda Síochána (Compensation) Act 1941 states that the following dependants may be awarded compensation: the widow, children, step-children, parents, siblings, half brothers or sisters, grandparents of the deceased member or adopted children under the age of 21 years who were supported, maintained and educated wholly or partially by the deceased person.