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PatsytheNazi

Dogwatch wrote: »

OH come on patsy. Since when is the Guardian such a reliable source. It is as much use as Wiki.

I expected better from you.

The Guardian = Wiki

Dogwatch wrote: »

Yet another poster who believes newspapers print the truth.

Wise up gentlemen. Research and quote from reliable sources or dont contribute to the noise ratio of the thread.

If Special Forces were being used, you may be assured that the world and his dog would not know until after the event, if at all!!

So what according to you are " reliable sources ". The British Ministry of Defence ? An SAS member interviewed in silhouette on BBC newsnight ?

PatsytheNazi

Utrinque Paratus wrote: »

The Libyans were being trained in the UK. Mainly in anti terrorism techniques.

To counter potential Islamic extremism, Gaddafi was the lesser evil.

Can you tell me how the Brits training Gaddafi's thugs to torture and murder civilians is "anti terrorism" ? I would have thought it a case of British army terrorists training Gaddafi's terrorists ?

Utrinque Paratus

PatsytheNazi wrote: »

Can you tell me how the Brits training Gaddafi's thugs to torture and murder civilians is "anti terrorism" ? I would have thought it a case of British army terrorists training Gaddafi's terrorists ?

They never tarined them to torture and murder civilians, why do you need to make stuff up ?

They trained them in the covert survelliance of possible Al Qaeda suspects.

RMD

PatsytheNazi wrote: »

Can you tell me how the Brits training Gaddafi's thugs to torture and murder civilians is "anti terrorism" ? I would have thought it a case of British army terrorists training Gaddafi's terrorists ?

In fairness Patsy they were being trained to deal with Islamic extremists if they cause trouble in Libya, what Gaddafi puts them to use for further down the line isn't the fault of Britain. Considering the Brits have sent advisers in to help the rebels, it's clear where their priorities are.

elius

Been and gone already SBS c squadron performed the operation. All 150 rescued.. Now who said they wouldnt go in?

Dogwatch

Patsy wrote: »

The Guardian = Wiki


So what according to you are " reliable sources ". The British Ministry of Defence ? An SAS member interviewed in silhouette on BBC newsnight ?

A reliable source is one which over time has proven to be reliable and accurate. Newspapers are neither.

If you are giving information, at least make sure it is accurate and factual.

Given your boards name, I suspect that may be difficult.

PatsytheNazi

Dogwatch wrote: »

Originally Posted by Patsy
The Guardian = Wiki

So what according to you are " reliable sources ". The British Ministry of Defence ? An SAS member interviewed in silhouette on BBC newsnight ?

A reliable source is one which over time has proven to be reliable and accurate. Newspapers are neither.

If you are giving information, at least make sure it is accurate and factual.

Given your boards name, I suspect that may be difficult.

And when he's asked to provide actual examples of a "reliable source" he comes back giving a f***ing lecture again

PatsytheNazi

elius wrote: »

Been and gone already SBS c squadron performed the operation. All 150 rescued.. Now who said they wouldnt go in?

Yeah seen it on Sky news and already the megahype and BS is flying thick "A small group of determined you men took to the air on an almost impossible mission " You'd think it was the raid on Entebbe or something The Air Corps plucking some fishermen out of a trawler in the middle of a raging storm stranded on rocks off Galway would be probably be a more difficult and dangerous operation but I'd doubt if they'd be hyping themselves up describing it as an "almost impossible mission".

Regardless well done to the RAF pilots in getting the people out safely. Thankfully Gaddafi's trigger happy thugs weren't around.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Entebbe

Utrinque Paratus

PatsytheNazi wrote: »

Yeah seen it on Sky news and already the megahype and BS is flying thick "A small group of determined you men took to the air on an almost impossible mission " You'd think it was the raid on Entebbe or something The Air Corps plucking some fishermen out of a trawler in the middle of a raging storm stranded on rocks off Galway would be probably be a more difficult and dangerous operation but I'd doubt if they'd be hyping themselves up describing it as an "almost impossible mission".

Regardless well done to the RAF pilots in getting the people out safely. Thankfully Gaddafi's trigger happy thugs weren't around.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Entebbe

"but I'd doubt if they'd be hyping themselves up describing it as an "almost impossible mission".

why are you making up bs ? Where did someone from the above operation say this ?

PatsytheNazi

Utrinque Paratus wrote: »

"but I'd doubt if they'd be hyping themselves up describing it as an "almost impossible mission".

why are you making up bs ? Where did someone from the above operation say this ?

As stated Sky News. http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/World-News/Libya-150-Oil-Workers-Rescued-From-Libyan-Desert-By-RAF-And-British-Special-Forces/Article/201102415941694?lpos=World_News_Carousel_Region_1&lid=ARTICLE_15941694_Libya%3A_150_Oil_Workers_Rescued_From_Libyan_Desert_By_RAF_And_British_Special_Forces

Utrinque Paratus

PatsytheNazi wrote: »

As stated Sky News. http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/World-News/Libya-150-Oil-Workers-Rescued-From-Libyan-Desert-By-RAF-And-British-Special-Forces/Article/201102415941694?lpos=World_News_Carousel_Region_1&lid=ARTICLE_15941694_Libya%3A_150_Oil_Workers_Rescued_From_Libyan_Desert_By_RAF_And_British_Special_Forces

You quoted the SAS/SBS as saying this.


"but I'd doubt if they'd be hyping themselves up describing it as an "almost impossible mission".

It was a reporter who said that.

So how are they hyping themselves up ?

BrianD

Utrinque Paratus wrote: »

Many countries have sold arms to Libya, not just the UK.Gaddafi is better then Libya falling to Islamic extremists in a civil war.

http://www.expatica.com/es/news/spanish-news/ngos-urge-spain-to-halt-arms-sales-to-libya_132473.html


Spain sold arms to Libya, including planes and equipment, worth 7.0 million euros ($9.6 million) in the first half of 2010, according to figures quoted by the group of NGOs, which also includes Oxfam and Greenpeace.

Selling them arms doesn't stop them falling to Islamic extremism. You can fight ideology with weapons - the USA know that from Vietnam.

Look at Iran, armed to the hilt by the Americans and British to bolster it against communism but then Iran fell to an Islam fundamentalists. Iraq then armed and aided against Iran. They didn't work out either.

I don't doubt the veracity of the Guardian. Britain did supply equipment that could be used to violate the human rights of Libyan citizens. Unfortunately, when the west decided to let bygones be bygones with Libya they failed to realise that the despot hadn't changed. Anything supplied that could be dual use or have a sinister use would be used that way.

Anyway the "impossible mission" headline is a gross exaggeration. I'd say anybody could fly into Libya now. However, it was not a mission without risk.

Utrinque Paratus

BrianD wrote: »

Selling them arms doesn't stop them falling to Islamic extremism. You can fight ideology with weapons - the USA know that from Vietnam.

Look at Iran, armed to the hilt by the Americans and British to bolster it against communism but then Iran fell to an Islam fundamentalists. Iraq then armed and aided against Iran. They didn't work out either.

I don't doubt the veracity of the Guardian. Britain did supply equipment that could be used to violate the human rights of Libyan citizens. Unfortunately, when the west decided to let bygones be bygones with Libya they failed to realise that the despot hadn't changed. Anything supplied that could be dual use or have a sinister use would be used that way.

Anyway the "impossible mission" headline is a gross exaggeration. I'd say anybody could fly into Libya now. However, it was not a mission without risk.

"Selling them arms doesn't stop them falling to Islamic extremism"


Who said it did ?


But Gaddafi was better then civil war or regional instability.

As you will realise in a few weeks when you put petrol in your car.

Manic Moran

You'd think it was the raid on Entebbe or something The Air Corps plucking some fishermen out of a trawler in the middle of a raging storm stranded on rocks off Galway would be probably be a more difficult and dangerous operation but I'd doubt if they'd be hyping themselves up describing it as an "almost impossible mission

The fish and crabs inhabiting the waters between Galway and the rocks off Galway likely aren't armed with all sorts of things that can make life difficult for a helicopter. There is still no doubt that there are plenty of Libyans who, if they're pro-gadaffi, will have no problem with shooting at those invading imperialists, and if they're anti-gadaffi, will have no problem in shooting at helicopters they think are pro-Gadaffi and out to airstrike them.

The British helos would be caught in the middle.

NTM

Dogwatch

PatsytheNazi wrote: »

And when he's asked to provide actual examples of a "reliable source" he comes back giving a f***ing lecture again

Typical response from you. When all else fails, swear. Just about your level!!

There are some who cannot learn and some who will not learn! Which category are you???

Utrinque Paratus

PatsytheNazi wrote: »

Yeah seen it on Sky news and already the megahype and BS is flying thick "A small group of determined you men took to the air on an almost impossible mission " You'd think it was the raid on Entebbe or something The Air Corps plucking some fishermen out of a trawler in the middle of a raging storm stranded on rocks off Galway would be probably be a more difficult and dangerous operation but I'd doubt if they'd be hyping themselves up describing it as an "almost impossible mission".

Regardless well done to the RAF pilots in getting the people out safely. Thankfully Gaddafi's trigger happy thugs weren't around.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Entebbe

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/18/20110227/tpl-plane-damaged-during-libya-rescue-bi-5b839a9.html


A military plane involved in Sunday's mission to rescue 150 foreign nationals stranded at camps in the Libyan desert sustained damage "consistent with small arms fire," the Defence Ministry said. Skip related content
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"We can confirm that during the operation to recover civilians from the Libyan Desert, one of our C130 aircraft appears to have suffered minor damage consistent with small arms fire," a Ministry of Defence (MoD) spokesman said.

BrianD

Utrinque Paratus wrote: »

"Selling them arms doesn't stop them falling to Islamic extremism"


Who said it did ?


But Gaddafi was better then civil war or regional instability.

As you will realise in a few weeks when you put petrol in your car.

You did.

To counter potential Islamic extremism, Gaddafi was the lesser evil.

The lesser evil? We has a known sponsor of terrorism. Just because he took a chill pill in the last few years doesn't mean we should have been getting back into bed with this guy. We saw how they greeted the Lockerbie bomber like a hero. That should have been the red light to get out of there but of course wherever there's money in supporting despots. You reap what you sow.

Even if there had been an almost "bloodless" change of regime like in Egypt, the markets would still see this as instability and uncertainty and the price of oil would have increased anyway. In fact, this uncertainty is probably encouraged by the West where our financial markets allow us bet against prices going up or down. Instability of talk of will suit some people. Again we reap what we sow.

"We can confirm that during the operation to recover civilians from the Libyan Desert, one of our C130 aircraft appears to have suffered minor damage consistent with small arms fire," a Ministry of Defence (MoD) spokesman said.

Is the said spokesman able to differentiate against hostile fire by Libyan Government elements or by the rebels who may have thought they were Government aircraft sent to attack them? The Libyan air force has C-130s and Chinooks - the same aircraft types that the British have deployed to Malta.

Kristopherus

Sky News now reporting that 3 RAF C130 Hercules aircraft have rescued 150 civilians from the Libyan desert.

BrianD

Kristopherus wrote: »

Sky News now reporting that 3 RAF C130 Hercules aircraft have rescued 150 civilians from the Libyan desert.

Interesting the camera phone pictures showed a C-130 at a desert airport with engines shut down. I would have thought they'd have engines running for a quick exit. Also plenty of soldiers in pretty relaxed mode minus flak jackets (though these may have taken upon arrival in Malta).

Tabnabs

Not as easy as it looks:

A pilot of one of the special forces Hercules aircraft that landed in the Libyan desert to evacuate oil workers had a narrow escape when small arms fire entered the cockpit and bounced off his helmet, defence sources have confirmed.

They said a group of rebels fired at the aircraft by mistake, believing that it belonged to forces loyal to Muammar Gaddafi. The rebels later apologised.

The Hercules flew into Libya on Sunday to pick up people stranded in the Sarir oilfield south of Benghazi.

The Ministry of Defence said only that one of its Hercules C130 aircraft appeared to have suffered "minor damage consistent with small arms fire".

It said there were no injuries to passengers or crew and the aircraft returned safely to Malta.

Some of those who were rescued described the moment the Hercules was shot at, forcing it to abandon a landing.

A British oil worker told the BBC: "The aircraft took two hits on the right-hand side of the fuselage, you just heard 'bang bang' as the rounds actually struck."

Another evacuee said that after failing to land at two blocked-off fields, the Hercules was trying again at a third when the firing started. The Hercules rescued 150 people, including 20 Britons.

source

PatsytheNazi

Dogwatch wrote: »

Originally Posted by PatsytheNazi
And when he's asked to provide actual examples of a "reliable source" he comes back giving a f***ing lecture again

Typical response from you. When all else fails, swear. Just about your level!!

There are some who cannot learn and some who will not learn! Which category are you???

And the clown still cann't give an example of a "reliable source"

Manic Moran

[Mod]We could do without the name-calling, Pat.[/Mod]

NTM

Ping Chow Chi

Manic Moran wrote: »

The fish and crabs inhabiting the waters between Galway and the rocks off Galway likely aren't armed with all sorts of things that can make life difficult for a helicopter. There is still no doubt that there are plenty of Libyans who, if they're pro-gadaffi, will have no problem with shooting at those invading imperialists, and if they're anti-gadaffi, will have no problem in shooting at helicopters they think are pro-Gadaffi and out to airstrike them.

The British helos would be caught in the middle.

NTM

looks like you hit the nail on the head there