Brian Lenihan in fight for last seat.

NewHillel · 26-02-2011 1:28pm

Fozzie Bear wrote: »

So Long, and Thanks for All the Fish the cheese. Pr1ck.
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Reading your post, I am struck by the aptness of your signature.

Godge · 26-02-2011 1:28pm

I think the celebrations of Brian Lenihan's demise are somewhat premature. While the tallies only give him around 15%, when 20% is needed for a seat, he has a running mate who will give him around 1.5%. The other candidates likely to be there at the end - Dennison and Nulty - are too far behind at 8.5% to catch Lenihan unless they scoop up all of the transfers.

Would be 80% confident that Lenihan will hold seat.

joeKel73 · 26-02-2011 1:30pm

This thread seem premature, I'd say he has a good chance of holding his seat yet.

NewHillel · 26-02-2011 1:32pm

davyjose wrote: »

How did people vote this guy back in? Who are these idiots? Seriously, more than 1 in 7 people put a 1 beside that fool's name. That's scary!

Perhaps it was people who looked beyond the braying for blood of the mob and recognised his love of country, party and commitment. All qualities worth recognising, regardless of how one views his performance or FF in general. (I would have given him my number one, without hesitation, had he been in my constituency.)

nesf · 26-02-2011 1:42pm

Thread title edited to something more accurate. Though arguably I could say Lenihan has the last seat without a fight but went for something more neutral.

Hopefully people won't be mislead now.

takun · 26-02-2011 1:46pm

NewHillel wrote: »

recognised his love of country, party and commitment. All qualities worth recognising,

Love of party is not relevant or a quality and should be of no interest whatever to the average voter. The tribalism of FF is at the root of much of what is wrong about them.

nesf · 26-02-2011 1:56pm

takun wrote: »

Love of party is not relevant or a quality and should be of no interest whatever to the average voter. The tribalism of FF is at the root of much of what is wrong about them.

Ah, to be fair, tribalism is something all the parties suffer from. There are Labour/SF/FG/FF/Green households all over the country.

belacqua_ · 26-02-2011 2:00pm

Thread title changed? I thought it was a bit of a premature ejaculation.

baalthor · 26-02-2011 2:12pm

Newstalk reporting he is prob safe as 5th and 6th candidates have too few votes.
PS: Brendan Smith was the cheese guy and he also looks safe

Snakeblood · 26-02-2011 2:14pm

Pal wrote: »

He's a nice guy if you ever met him and I think he did his best t the job but the electore shows no mercy. Expect he wont get a seat. Interesting constituency

He did his best and his best was ****. I hope he does the decent thing and opts for public health care.

NewHillel · 26-02-2011 2:17pm

takun wrote: »

Love of party is not relevant or a quality and should be of no interest whatever to the average voter. The tribalism of FF is at the root of much of what is wrong about them.

Of course love of party is relevant, the alternative is to have party members driven solely by self-interests. What is of concern is where love of party always takes precedence over the national interest. (IMO that's what happened with Brian Cowan, it was the party first, second and third. We all suffered as a result.)

Snakeblood · 26-02-2011 2:21pm

NewHillel wrote: »

Of course love of party is relevant, the alternative is to have party members driven solely by self-interests. What is of concern is where love of party always takes precedence over the national interest. (IMO that's what happened with Brian Cowan, it was the party first, second and third. We all suffered as a result.)

The alternative is having party members driven by love of their country.

NewHillel · 26-02-2011 2:38pm

Snakeblood wrote: »

The alternative is having party members driven by love of their country.

I did suggest that love of country should come first, then love of party.

Liam Byrne · 26-02-2011 2:41pm

NewHillel wrote: »

I did suggest that love of country should come first, then love of party.

Not in the first sentence, when you suggested only one alternative. You said "the alternative" was "self-interested people" ignoring the third, and best, alternative.

Blowfish · 26-02-2011 3:03pm

Lame Lantern wrote: »

Very sad about Lenihan, very sad about Hanifan.

We should all be afraid of what Fianna Fáil will look like without their good people on the front bench.

If that's supposed to be FF's 'good people' I'd be terrified to see what their bad ones are like.

Mr.Micro · 26-02-2011 3:06pm

Blowfish wrote: »

If that's supposed to be FF's 'good people' I'd be terrified to see what their bad ones are like.

He is a disaster as a politician. As Finance Minister he uttered absolute garbage and deserves to lose his seat. He has some brazen neck to even seek re-election.

Laminations · 26-02-2011 3:22pm

Lame Lantern wrote: »

Very sad about Lenihan, very sad about Hanifan.

We should all be afraid of what Fianna Fáil will look like without their good people on the front bench.

Most of us are afraid of how bad FF are with these so called good people. Im sure that without the ones you claim are good FF will still be something you and your ilk will still find reasons to vote for

Penny Dreadful · 26-02-2011 3:23pm

Snakeblood wrote: »

He did his best and his best was ****. I hope he does the decent thing and opts for public health care.

Why would he (or anyone for that matter) who has private health insurance or enough money, opt for public health care? If you can afford to go privately then I think you should rather than put extra pressure and strain on the public system? More often than not the best hospitals have a public private mix so you access the same health care professionals.

newtadis · 26-02-2011 3:27pm

what on earth has this guy done for the country in the last 2 years except support a complete useless government , he does not deserve a seat

this is only my opinion i could be completely wrong but this comment is only from what i have seen of him in the last few years

Fozzie Bear · 26-02-2011 3:35pm

NewHillel wrote: »

Reading your post, I am struck by the aptness of your signature.

Awww you hurt my feelings now.

djmarkus · 26-02-2011 4:04pm

Anyhoo.. looks like he'll retain his seat.. by the skin of his teeth.

Snakeblood · 26-02-2011 4:06pm

Penny Dreadful wrote: »

Why would he (or anyone for that matter) who has private health insurance or enough money, opt for public health care? If you can afford to go privately then I think you should rather than put extra pressure and strain on the public system? More often than not the best hospitals have a public private mix so you access the same health care professionals.

Actually, I think it'd be a good idea for all TDs to have to use public health care so they can get some perspective on what it's like before ruling on cuts for it.

NewHillel · 26-02-2011 4:52pm

Liam Byrne wrote: »

Not in the first sentence, when you suggested only one alternative. You said "the alternative" was "self-interested people" ignoring the third, and best, alternative.

My list of priorities were, and remain, very plain, see my earlier post below. A politicians duty is, or a least should be, first to country, then to (all) constituents, then to party. IMO when the chips were down, Brian L put duty for country above all else, even his health. Contrast that with Brian Cowan, whose only concern was "the party" - and to hell with everyone else.

NewHillel wrote: »

Perhaps it was people who looked beyond the braying for blood of the mob and recognised his love of country, party and commitment. All qualities worth recognising, regardless of how one views his performance or FF in general. (I would have given him my number one, without hesitation, had he been in my constituency.)

Of course tribalism plays a role, it is part of what we all are. It is where the role played by tribalism is excessive, or against the common good that it is a problem. I have never voted for FF, because they always "looked after their own" - at the expense of everyone else. That is what makes Brian Lenihans commitment all the more laudable.

gerryo777 · 26-02-2011 6:39pm

NewHillel wrote: »

Perhaps it was people who looked beyond the braying for blood of the mob and recognised his love of country, party and commitment. All qualities worth recognising, regardless of how one views his performance or FF in general. (I would have given him my number one, without hesitation, had he been in my constituency.)

Good lord! Sometimes I really do dispair!