Silver Marked Garda Car

Hogzy

Seeing as we cannot post on the photos forum i had to create a new thread.

Are garda cars switching to a silver color or is this just a demo model?

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listermint

There was a silver marked new Avensis Estate 2011 at the Garda Stand in the Motor Show RDS over the weekend.

It is a road model. So yes to answer your question there is existing ones out there. Looked well too. liked the contrast.

Hogzy

Very strange that they bought some silver ones and white ones. Why didnt they go all silver?

Unless its a trial?

Goonerdee

I remember reading somewhere that silver cars are easier to sell than white cars, therefore it is easier for the Garda/Police services to make money back when they take a vehicle out of service and sell it second hand.

Hogzy

Goonerdee wrote: »

I remember reading somewhere that silver cars are easier to sell than white cars, therefore it is easier for the Garda/Police services to make money back when they take a vehicle out of service and sell it second hand.

Perfectly understandable, thats why The Met switched. But why have the majority of their new 2011 Avensis' come in White?

Goonerdee

Hogzy wrote: »

Perfectly understandable, thats why The Met switched. But why have the majority of their new 2011 Avensis' come in White?

That is unusual, unless they were ordered before they made the switch. I'm not sure what difference there is in prices for silver cars and white cars, it might have been costly to change the colour on the order.

mailforkev

I remember reading about some forces in the UK changing to silver a few years back.

Can't remember the real reasons, but it did mention that it makes it a lot easier for them to sell the cars on after a few years if they're not white.

incident commander

I think one of the reasons was that toyota didn' have enought white cars left.

Hally_89

Another reason the police in england switched was that silver is cheaper to buy than white because white has become so popular. Maybe the Gardai are trying to save money and do the same

Hally_89

Diverman wrote: »

In my experience it's usually because the Department concerned left it so late in the year to order cars that it's all they have left. They have to be delivered before year end for department budget reasons. There is little or no forward planning done for purchasing it's usually down to a matter of what they have left sometime in November what they can buy.
DM

It was planned ahead this time because the new cars are police spec. Should have been planned all the time. The new avensis that they bought were bought to spec but then they decided they wanted to go with octavias so they had to take the 70 odd avensis's that they bought and the rest will be octavias

Delancey

Hally_89 wrote: »

It was planned ahead this time because the new cars are police spec. Should have been planned all the time. The new avensis that they bought were bought to spec but then they decided they wanted to go with octavias so they had to take the 70 odd avensis's that they bought and the rest will be octavias

That should please a lot of folks here who would have preferred Octavias or Mondeos over the Avensis.

goldie fish

Colour is no longer an issue if the car carries a full battenburg colour scheme.

Hogzy

Delancey wrote: »

That should please a lot of folks here who would have preferred Octavias or Mondeos over the Avensis.

In fairness, It has a bigger boot!

They will end up getting rid of the transits and going all octavias. You could fit an army regiment in the boot of an Octavia according to the folks over at the motors forum :P

FGR

Is there any source for the information Re: Skoda replacing Toyota as supplier?

EDIT: The silver does look good!

Hally_89

Hally_89 wrote: »

The new avensis that they bought were bought to spec but then they decided they wanted to go with octavias so they had to take the 70 odd avensis's that they bought and the rest will be octavias

Got a source for that?

copacetic

Hally_89 wrote: »

Another reason the police in england switched was that silver is cheaper to buy than white because white has become so popular. Maybe the Gardai are trying to save money and do the same

metallic silver isn't cheaper than flat white and never will be. At worst it's the same price as pearl white.

Zambia

Hogzy wrote: »

In fairness, It has a bigger boot!

They will end up getting rid of the transits and going all octavias. You could fit an army regiment in the boot of an Octavia according to the folks over at the motors forum :P

An army ??? All you need is space for the offender any witnesses, a shovel and a bag of Lime

source

I like your filing system Zambia. No offender + No witnesses + No injured party = no paperwork.

Bring on the Octavia's huge boot. :pac:

meathstevie

foinse wrote: »

I like your filing system Zambia. No offender + No witnesses + No injured party = no paperwork.

Bring on the Octavia's huge boot. :pac:

Give me an estate with blacked out windows so

savagecabbages

Assuming that info posted earlier is correct.

The Octavia would make a great patrol car, the boot is cavernous!
Are there any plans to equip the Traffic Corps with vRS Octavias? Particularly the diesel vRS very fast and very easy on fuel

deadwood

savagecabbages wrote: »

The Octavia would make a great patrol car, the boot is cavernous!

Don't they do a vegetarian version too?

Hogzy

deadwood wrote: »

Don't they do a vegetarian version too?

I think you were thinking of the word Carnivorous

flyton5

savagecabbages wrote: »

Assuming that info posted earlier is correct.

The Octavia would make a great patrol car, the boot is cavernous!
Are there any plans to equip the Traffic Corps with vRS Octavias? Particularly the diesel vRS very fast and very easy on fuel

Traffic trialled an unmarked vRS about 6 years ago around the same time they had the marked SAAB. Got a spin in it. Great car. Presume the reason they didn't bring a few of them in was down to price.

Hogzy

Hogzy wrote: »

I think you were thinking of the word Carnivorous

I think he was making a joke.

savagecabbages

I hope he was making a joke :pac::pac::pac:
I try to lather my post with smilies if i'm saying something silly, just to avoid confusion!

Whats the time frame for these Octavias being acquired?
I understand the procurement process changed recently, can anyone explain what it was before/is now?
I did a quick look couldn't find anything concrete.

donvito99

After many long years of conservative, bigoted, foolish decisions right from the top, I think sense is now prevailing in AGS.

alot more to do though...like irish rail's old motto

kravmaga

Goonerdee wrote: »

I remember reading somewhere that silver cars are easier to sell than white cars, therefore it is easier for the Garda/Police services to make money back when they take a vehicle out of service and sell it second hand.

You are correct, its got to do with the re-sale value.

The Met in London changed out the fleet in 2004 from white to silver.

AGS transport division finally playing catch up....;)

source

Why bother worrying about resale value, when they'll probably keep them until 300k km and then if they're unfit to be driven by Gardai they won't sell them to the public. So they'll wind up crushing them.

EI321

The German police swiched to silver vehicles a few years ago from a very specific shade of green that they used to use.

Most UK forces seem to be using silver now also. The resale value is generally higher as its less obvious that they are ex-cop cars.

White is fashionalbe these days but a few years back white cars did not hold their value as well as silver/black/blue colours.

PSNI seem to have gone silver also.

belacqua_

EI321 wrote: »

PSNI seem to have gone silver also.

Their latest arrivals (Focus estates and Vauxhalls, as well as their prisoner transport and cctv surveillance units) have been almost exclusively delivered in white.

BaronVon

My understanding is that companies that lease out cars to the polis normally buy silver ones, as they have a better resale value.

The state buy white cos its the cheapest colour

savagecabbages

savagecabbages wrote: »

I hope he was making a joke :pac::pac::pac:
I try to lather my post with smilies if i'm saying something silly, just to avoid confusion!

Some people don't need smilies to make jokes.

kravmaga wrote: »

You are correct, its got to do with the re-sale value.

The Met in London changed out the fleet in 2004 from white to silver.

AGS transport division finally playing catch up....;)

That would be a good point if the silver cars here was intentional.

Still no evidence of the Skoda's being bought. Which means it's probably not true especially when you look at the fact that the only cars trialled for the current buy were the Focus, Mondeo, Insignia and the Avensis.

Manic Moran

On the counter side, USian police forces seem to have little difficulty in selling off their Black-and-Whites/Blue-and-Whites/Insert-Agency-Colour-Combo-Here. If someone is going to expect to get Blue Book price for an ex-Police Avensis, even if it's silver, they're off their rocker. Yes, they've probably been maintained very well, but they will also have been driven hard. Face it, who ever takes as much care of a car not their own? Plus they likely have holes in them for the extra electronics.

The buyers in the US are usually also fleet owners, from taxi companies to private security firms. Or, they're just private citizens out to get cheap wheels, but know exactly what they're getting. The colour isn't overly important to them, though the spotlight and ram bars can be handy. One would have thought that the potential buyer's market in Europe would be fairly similar.

It does beg the question, though. In five or six years' time, what do USian forces want to do with their old Carbon E7s? Being specifically designed as a police car, it might be too specialised for resale, even with people just looking for wheels. They'd have to replace all those integrated lenses for the lights, for example.

NTM

goldie fish

Manic Moran wrote: »

On the counter side, USian police forces seem to have little difficulty in selling off their Black-and-Whites/Blue-and-Whites/Insert-Agency-Colour-Combo-Here. If someone is going to expect to get Blue Book price for an ex-Police Avensis, even if it's silver, they're off their rocker. Yes, they've probably been maintained very well, but they will also have been driven hard. Face it, who ever takes as much care of a car not their own? Plus they likely have holes in them for the extra electronics.

The buyers in the US are usually also fleet owners, from taxi companies to private security firms. Or, they're just private citizens out to get cheap wheels, but know exactly what they're getting. The colour isn't overly important to them, though the spotlight and ram bars can be handy. One would have thought that the potential buyer's market in Europe would be fairly similar.

It does beg the question, though. In five or six years' time, what do USian forces want to do with their old Carbon E7s? Being specifically designed as a police car, it might be too specialised for resale, even with people just looking for wheels. They'd have to replace all those integrated lenses for the lights, for example.

NTM

" its got a cop moter of 440 cubic inch plan, its got cop tires, cop suspension, cop shocks ... the model made before catalytic converters so it will run good on regular gas ... what do you say, is it the new Blues Mobile or what? "

eroo

''We're on a mission.. from Gad''

As somebody said already, where is the evidence the Octavia's are coming in?

Terrontress

EI321 wrote: »

The German police swiched to silver vehicles a few years ago from a very specific shade of green that they used to use.

Most UK forces seem to be using silver now also. The resale value is generally higher as its less obvious that they are ex-cop cars.

White is fashionalbe these days but a few years back white cars did not hold their value as well as silver/black/blue colours.

PSNI seem to have gone silver also.

German police vehicles where white with green markings. They then changed to silver with green markings. They have now changed to a silver with blue marking that is apparently an EU standard. I have seen some other countries with the exact same marks but the word for Police in the language of that force. I am sure AGS have considered going down the same route.

The RUC used to have a great livery on their white Ford Granadas. The jam sandwich.

belacqua_

Terrontress wrote: »

German police vehicles where white with green markings. They then changed to silver with green markings.

While the vast majority of the state and local police forces have adopted the blue livery (and uniforms), this is by no mean prescriptive. The police in Bavaria, for example, still retain the green livery on both silver and white vehicles (as well as their traditional green and khaki uniforms).

http://www.polizei.bayern.de/

http://www.polizei.bayern.de/news/presse/bildergalerie/index.html/5630

Terrontress

belacqua_ wrote: »

While the vast majority of the state and local police forces have adopted the blue livery (and uniforms), this is by no mean prescriptive. The police in Bavaria, for example, still retain the green livery on both silver and white vehicles (as well as their traditional green and khaki uniforms).

http://www.polizei.bayern.de/

http://www.polizei.bayern.de/news/presse/bildergalerie/index.html/5630

Yeah, the cars I've seen have been in Rheinland-Pfalz and Hessen with the blue markings.

It's interesting to see the regional influence on police cars. BMWs in Bavaria, Opels in Hessen and Mercedes in Baden-Wurttemburg.

I've also seen fully marked American police cars operating as Military Police from the base at Wiesbaden. Driver with a big moustache, mirror sunglasses and wide rimmed hat with a star on it!

belacqua_

Terrontress wrote: »

It's interesting to see the regional influence on police cars. BMWs in Bavaria, Opels in Hessen and Mercedes in Baden-Wurttemburg.

That's a good point, Saarland (one of the few remaining states to stick with green) tends to favour French made cars because of the region's historical ties with Alsace-Lorraine. What do the US MPs drive?

Terrontress

belacqua_ wrote: »

That's a good point, Saarland (one of the few remaining states to stick with green) tends to favour French made cars because of the region's historical ties with Alsace-Lorraine. What do the US MPs drive?

Crown Vics!

When I saw the story on the news about the shooting at Frankfurt Airport, I knew right away it was something to do with the American military because the bus was one of those stereotypical American buses that seem to get used on film and tv for school bus, prison bus, military transport, transporting Mahoney to riots in Police Academy etc!

http://img.ibtimes.com/www/data/images/full/2011/03/02/70104-a-police-car-stands-next-to-an-u-s-army-bus-in-front-of-frankfurt-airp.jpg

Manic Moran

Terrontress wrote: »

Crown Vics!

When I saw the story on the news about the shooting at Frankfurt Airport, I knew right away it was something to do with the American military because the bus was one of those stereotypical American buses that seem to get used on film and tv for school bus, prison bus, military transport, transporting Mahoney to riots in Police Academy etc!

http://img.ibtimes.com/www/data/images/full/2011/03/02/70104-a-police-car-stands-next-to-an-u-s-army-bus-in-front-of-frankfurt-airp.jpg

Most US MPs seem to be rolling in Chevy Impalas. I can't recall the last time I saw an Army Crown Vic or Charger.




However, after hunting aruond, they do seem to exist, or at least, have existed before the Impala fleet showed up.


NTM

nightster1

police-Lamborghini.jpg

Hogzy wrote: »

Seeing as we cannot post on the photos forum i had to create a new thread.

Are garda cars switching to a silver color or is this just a demo model?

Photo

Terrontress

Manic Moran wrote: »

Most US MPs seem to be rolling in Chevy Impalas. I can't recall the last time I saw an Army Crown Vic or Charger.

However, after hunting aruond, they do seem to exist, or at least, have existed before the Impala fleet showed up.

NTM

I haven't been over since 2008 and not sure when I last saw an MP but they definitely have had Crown Vics at the USAFE in Wiesbaden.

When I first moved to Germany in 1997 the American military where everywhere. I found them to be decent guys, the ones I met anyway, although one of the Irish pubs I frequented had banned them all!

Anyway, there were loads of American cars and military vehicles. There was a lot of anti-American sentiment from my German friends. They used to complain about the number of GIs in Sachsenhausen in Frankfurt. Since that time the Americans have all mobilised throughout the middle east and the bars and clubs frequented by Americans have got very quiet and the Germans have realised that the presence of the Americans on a night out might not have been a bad thing.

seanmacc

I was told by a family member in the traffic corps. before they ordered in the new Avensis and Octavia's they trialed a number of other cars. The fav by most of the traffic corps Garda was actually the Opel insignia and they still have a coupke of them somewhere round the country but supposedly there was maintenece and reliability concerns. They also got a couple of Volvos, Fiats and Ford Fiestas (I kid you not).

I actually saw an unmarked Fiesta pull somebody over on the East Wall road near the port.

So when booting down the M1 or M50 at 90mph keep your eyes peeled for more than Modeo's and Toyotas

Hightower21

Was on the M6 in heading to dublin. Passed a car transporter carrying 6 sliver cars with garda traffic corp all over them. all brand spanking new

Hogzy

Hightower21 wrote: »

Was on the M6 in heading to dublin. Passed a car transporter carrying 6 sliver cars with garda traffic corp all over them. all brand spanking new

Were they all Avensis' or were they Octavias?

swiftblade

Please be Octavia's, please be Octavia's....... :pac:

Irish Fire

Hightower21 wrote: »

Was on the M6 in heading to dublin. Passed a car transporter carrying 6 sliver cars with garda traffic corp all over them. all brand spanking new

Silver the new white.......

Bosh

swiftblade wrote: »

Please be Octavia's, please be Octavia's....... :pac:

Sorry, Avensis.....:o

Hightower21

Bosh wrote: »

Sorry, Avensis.....:o

Sorry the car transporter was illigely parked on the Hard shoulder on the motorway. I was driving at the nearly the legal speed limit of 119km/h

meathstevie

seanmacc wrote: »

I was told by a family member in the traffic corps. before they ordered in the new Avensis and Octavia's they trialed a number of other cars. The fav by most of the traffic corps Garda was actually the Opel insignia and they still have a coupke of them somewhere round the country but supposedly there was maintenece and reliability concerns. They also got a couple of Volvos, Fiats and Ford Fiestas (I kid you not).

I actually saw an unmarked Fiesta pull somebody over on the East Wall road near the port.

So when booting down the M1 or M50 at 90mph keep your eyes peeled for more than Modeo's and Toyotas

The 3.2 4 wheel drive Insignia is supposed to be a crackin machine but I can't see the powers that be being willing to buy a load of them.