Cameron's Plan For No-Fly Zone Over Libya

hmmm

BrianD wrote: »

The Brits knew well in advance that Gadaffy's compound is full of civilians and reporters. Sky have been reporting from there all week.

Classic case of the MoD needing to adapt to the modern battlefield!

I don't know, I think those journalists were crazy. Bab El is not a single building, it's an enormous military camp in the centre of Tripoli. It's going to have command centres (I think Khamis is based there) - for journalists to decided to broadcast live from the vicinity of what is obviously a potential target is enormously stupid.

I think journalists have gotten a bit lackadaisical because of the accuracy of previous air campaigns. A stray cruise missile taking out a Western TV crew is not unlikely if they carry on like this.

Steyr

VAQ-132 Growlers now on the ground at Aviano AFB.

Global Hawk also in use, CALLSIGN:Fortee enroute to Sigonella now.

Royal Norwegian Air Force F-16's now based at Decimomannu will not take part in Operation odysseydawn until the "command issue" for the Operation is solved, the Norwegian MoD has said.

Italian MoD has also confirmed it will add 2 more Aircraft to its 8 already committed for the Operation.

Manic Moran

BrianD wrote: »

Gareth that would be a war crime.

No, it wouldn't.

The question is if the objective was militarily a viable target, and if the steps taken to destroy that objective were the minimum required to obtain that goal with a reasonable correlation of benefit to cost when knowing that civilians were in the area.

The presence of reporters is not a factor in itself.

NTM

hmmm

A farmer in Benghazi has woken up to find an F15E in his field.

mike65

#
0955: Journalist Rob Crilly from The Telegraph currently in Libya tweets: "just found a crashed US warplane in a field. believe a mechanical failure brought it down #libya" a tweet a few minutes later added: crew believed safe #libya

I didn't know the US were flying over Libya.

BrianD

Manic Moran wrote: »

No, it wouldn't.

The question is if the objective was militarily a viable target, and if the steps taken to destroy that objective were the minimum required to obtain that goal with a reasonable correlation of benefit to cost when knowing that civilians were in the area.

The presence of reporters is not a factor in itself.

NTM

In a "standard war" he would be a target. With this UN resolution he can't be considered a target. It is a humanitarian resolution not a free pass for the military.

Apart from the grumblings of the top brass (who should shut up and do what they are told) both Obama and Cameron have stated that Gaddaffy is not a specific target.

The imposition of the no-fly zone does not specify the removal of any individual. Therefore, the deliberate targeting of any named individual would be at odds with this and is certainly not covered by all "means necessary".

Of course the presence of reporters is a factor. The rules have changed. If the revolution wasn't televised there would probably be no UN resolution and no military action.

OS119

BrianD wrote: »

In a "standard war" he would be a target. With this UN resolution he can't be considered a target. It is a humanitarian resolution not a free pass for the military.

Apart from the grumblings of the top brass (who should shut up and do what they are told) both Obama and Cameron have stated that Gaddaffy is not a specific target.

The imposition of the no-fly zone does not specify the removal of any individual. Therefore, the deliberate targeting of any named individual would be at odds with this and is certainly not covered by all "means necessary".

Of course the presence of reporters is a factor. The rules have changed. If the revolution wasn't televised there would probably be no UN resolution and no military action.

sorry, you are incorrect - the resolution allows all manner of 'side issues' that are not, by themselves, potentially threatening to the civilian population to be attacked. my understanding is that no civilian has ever been harmed by an SA-6 or Ground Based Air Search Radar yet they are burning all over Libya. Gaddafi is on the target list because a) he - due to the nature of his regime - is a pivotal point in the purely military chain of command, and b) he is inciting the threat to civilian life. without the incitement, the problem decreases. much in the same way as Gaddafi's logistic chain is on the target list as without ammunition his 'soldiers' are useless, without his encitement the soldiers are harmless (ish).

no one has a problem with 'all neccessary measures' covering ammunition resupply, so why with 'incitement supply'?

you'll also notice the resolution does not say 'all neccessary measures to protect civilians and civilian areas from direct threat', it says 'all neccessary measures to protect civilians and civilian areas from threat'. it is left entirely to those undertaking the action to determine the nature, immediacy and severity of the threat they will protect civilians and civilian areas from, and to determine the best way, in their view, of reducing that threat.

some - the Arab League for instance, may take one view, others may take another. both are covered by the resolution.

BrianD

OS119 wrote: »

sorry, you are incorrect - the resolution allows all manner of 'side issues' that are not, by themselves, potentially threatening to the civilian population to be attacked. my understanding is that no civilian has ever been harmed by an SA-6 or Ground Based Air Search Radar yet they are burning all over Libya. Gaddafi is on the target list because a) he - due to the nature of his regime - is a pivotal point in the purely military chain of command, and b) he is inciting the threat to civilian life. without the incitement, the problem decreases. much in the same way as Gaddafi's logistic chain is on the target list as without ammunition his 'soldiers' are useless, without his encitement the soldiers are harmless (ish).

Sorry, I'm right! Read the resolution! It's a humanitarian one with no mandate for regime change. Not only that, no matter how much they would like it otherwise, both the US and British Governments have stated that he is not a target.

Also it was quite clear from the onset that to enforce the no-fly zone that Libyan air defence systems would be neutralised. So no surprises there.

no one has a problem with 'all neccessary measures' covering ammunition resupply, so why with 'incitement supply'?

I would have thought that was pretty straightforward!!

you'll also notice the resolution does not say 'all neccessary measures to protect civilians and civilian areas from direct threat', it says 'all neccessary measures to protect civilians and civilian areas from threat'. it is left entirely to those undertaking the action to determine the nature, immediacy and severity of the threat they will protect civilians and civilian areas from, and to determine the best way, in their view, of reducing that threat.

What is your point here? I don't see the difference with you inserting the word direct. It is not down to the military commanders to take these decisions. They are political decisions. The military may like to think that they have a free range.

BrianD

One thing I have noticed is a lack of military commanders briefing the press with videos of military positions being taken out with position, bombs dropping down man holes and so on.

Is this a new approach or have I just missed them?

(Perhaps they've got shy after the Crazyhorse 18 debacle)

hmmm

BrianD wrote: »

One thing I have noticed is a lack of military commanders briefing the press with videos of military positions being taken out with position, bombs dropping down man holes and so on.

Is this a new approach or have I just missed them?

I think for once it suits the US to minimise their role as much as possible. Contrast that with live pictures of Quatari jets landing in Crete, and similarly I expect when they are over Libya there'll probably be an Al Jazeera reporter broadcasting from the wing.

http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/World-News/Video-Libya-Gaddafi-Regime-Denies-Massacre-In-Zawiyah-But-Sky-News-Has-Evidence-It-Happened/Article/201103415958004?lpos=World_News_Carousel_Region_2&lid=ARTICLE_15958004_Video%2C_Libya%3A_Gaddafi_Regime_Denies_Massacre_In_Zawiyah%2C_But_Sky_News_Has_Evidence_It_Happened

First video there is really worth a watch

Steyr

30 Minutes ago: USAF 17th Reconnaissance Wing U-2S overhead Mediterranean 15:00 UTC as DRAGON 99 tail nr 80-1079 at FL600 squawk ident 5630.

Now:The Netherlands will participate in Operation OdysseyDawn with F-16's, KDC-10 tanker and the Minehunter HNLMS Haarlem.

Steyr

Qatari fighters deployed to Solenzara, expected to begin flying by Saturday.

GarethQ

I want to make 1 or 2 things clear on the whole Bombing the compoud issue.

1. If Gadaffi was not in as deep a hole with the UN right now, bombing of his compound while there are reporters there,would be a war crime, but due to what he has done in the run of leading his army against the rebels he has killed many civillians already, The UN could bomb his compound with reporters now as Gadaffi is a Tier 1 target, its not a crime to kill a dictator as cruel and corrupt as Gadaffi.

2. On that topic, If you imagine that the compound was bombed, even if is a war crime, considering the UN would be taking the blame for this crime, Who could really claim against them as the UN leaders also run most of the Television channels and newspapers in which the journalists come from,.

BrianD

Gareth, you are out of order here and wrong. Yes, Gadaffy is a despot and should not be running a country. Ultimately, it's the people of Libya that will have to decide who runs their nation. If the UN wanted to truely intervene they would be doing so - as they have intervened in other nations.

GarethQ wrote: »

I want to make 1 or 2 things clear on the whole Bombing the compoud issue.

1. If Gadaffi was not in as deep a hole with the UN right now, bombing of his compound while there are reporters there,would be a war crime, but due to what he has done in the run of leading his army against the rebels he has killed many civillians already, The UN could bomb his compound with reporters now as Gadaffi is a Tier 1 target, its not a crime to kill a dictator as cruel and corrupt as Gadaffi.

Unless I've missed some new news. Gadaffy is not a Tier 1 target as stated in public by both the British and US governments (though they would like him to be). The UN resolution is a humanitarian one and therefore the various military reports have absolutely no right to bomb his compound or anywhere else containing civilians including reporters. The planes would turn around as they have done already.

Bad as he is, it is not legal to specifically murder Gadaffy.

2. On that topic, If you imagine that the compound was bombed, even if is a war crime, considering the UN would be taking the blame for this crime, Who could really claim against them as the UN leaders also run most of the Television channels and newspapers in which the journalists come from,.

Would would presume that if it was a deliberate war crime that the military commander (or who ever ordered it) would end up in the Hague. The UN would not be taking the blame as they didn't sanction the murder of civilians. I'm not aware of that many UN leaders that run TV stations for that matter either!

Steyr

Trapani AFB: 4x Typhoon RAF/5x CF-18 CAF

Aviano AFB: 4x EA-18G USN/F-16 SP USAFE/F-15 LN USAFE

Souda AFB: F-16 RNoAF/4x Mirage 2000 QatAF

Gioa de Colle AFB: Tornado RAF

Signonella AFB: 6x F-16 RDAF

Decimomannu AFB: 4x EF-18 SpAF/1x B707 TK SpAF

http://forum.scramble.nl/viewtopic.php?f=48&t=72250&start=45

Steyr

30 Minutes Ago: Airborne out of RAF Akrotiri in Cyprus is a Qatar Air Force Boeing C-17A Globemaster III tail nr A7-MAA as LHOB 240.


Aviacon Zitotrans flight of Ilyushin Il-76TD tail RA-76842 just overhead Cyprus loaded with NEW Lynx helicopter for Dutch vessel HMNLS Tromp.

Steyr

Numbers for based Aircraft are being noted as correct but constantly changing daily.

Apparently In Theatre:

Danish have 11 F-16's.
Canadians have 7 F-18's
13/14 F-15E's from LN
4 E3 Sentry's at Rota AFB
Tankers at Moron AB
Apparently 1 AC-130 Gunship too.


French Carrier Charles De Gaule:

8 rafale from12F
6 Super Etandard from17F
2 E2C from 4 F
2 Caracal and 1 Puma

According to Belgian Defence forces Their F-16's carried out their first Operations yesterday.

Also 10 X RAF Typhoons at Gioia AFB

http://forum.scramble.nl/viewtopic.php?f=48&t=72250&start=45

maquiladora

54 airstrikes in #Libya in last 24 hours -- 28 by U.S. & 26 by other countries, U.S. military official tells CNN's Barbara Starr

Steyr

Interesting Callsigns being heard:

FNY France
FAF90xx E-3 France
AGIP C130 Italy
AMBER F-18 Canada -> HAMMER??
BAF6xx Various Belgium
BOLAR F-15 USA
BRANDY F-16 Italy
BRUJO B707 Spain
CAMEO Mirage F1 France
CG Charles de Gaulle France (HF, only)
CHAOS
CLAW F-15 USAF
CNV Various USN
CTM Various
CYRANO E-3 FAF (HF, only)
DAMO E-2 France
DARDO F-16 Italy
EDGY B-2A USA
EMMET RC135 USAF
ENGLISH RQ4B USAF
ETHYL Tankers USA (In support of B-2 & E-3, Statesside)
EXXON KC135 USA
FAF40xx C-135 France
FAF67xx France
FORTE RQ4B USA
HUSKY 01 A310 Canada
HUSKY F-18 Canada
I Various Italy
LARK F-18 Canada?
LASCAR Rafale France
LEGACY MV22 USMC
LION C-130 USAF
LYNCHER Tornado? Italy? -> LINCE is ItAF AF
MAUL F-15 USAF*
MAMUT B707? Spain?
NATOxx E-3
NCG03 Do228 NL
NOBLE F-15 USAF*
PANTER Tornado Italy
PANTER F-15 USAF
PETRO A310 Canada
PHANTOM F-15 USAF
POD KC130 USN/USMC?
POKER F-18 Spain
RA519 EP-3 USN
RAZOR Typhoon? RAF
RCHxxxx KC10/KC135 Tanker Mission?#
RCH5410 B-2A USA
RRR92xx Tanker RAF
RRR96xx Fighter RAF (Ferry Flight)
SARAB Mirage Qatar
SHEEN EC-130 USA
SHOCKER Typhoon RAF
SNAKE F-16 Denmark?
SNIPER F-18 Can/USN?
SOLEX E-3 UK FlightCrew
STEEL EC-130 USA
STRIKE F-15? USAF
TARTAN VC10 RAF
TRIBAL Tornado RAF
TROX F-16 BAF
VIPER F-16 ?
WARHAWK F-16 USAF*
VENOM F-16 USAF*
WEASEL F-16 USAF*

* Used during ferry to Italy
# Seems USAF tankers out of Moron ? are using their last 4 digits of their tailnumber as callsign for AAR mission e.g. RCH8018, RCH3577, RCH0076.


http://forum.scramble.nl/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=72317

Husky01-CANFORCE A310. Also showing up on flightradar24.com.

Husky 11 F-18CAF
NATO 02 E-3A
exxon 09 KC-135 USAFE
exxon 11 KC-135 USAFE
exxon 12 KC-135 USAFE
exxon 13 KC-135 USAFE
solex 11 E-3D RAF
weasel 11 F-16 USAFE
viper 31 F-16 USAFE
RCH3540 USAF/ARW

Strike 13 F-15 USAFE
NATO 07 E3
exxon 03 KC-135 USAFE
exxon 05 KC-135 USAFE
viper 13 F-16 USAFE
RCH0809 KC-135T USAF
RCH0228 KC-135T USAFE


Shocker11 Flight of 3 typhoons

Sniper71 flight is flight of 2 F-18's. New Callsign. Unknown whether it is USN/CANFORCE.

ReacherCreature

Who ever came up with the B-2's nickname is having a laugh. 'EDGY'. Smartarse.

Steyr

4 Minutes Ago:Danish Air Force F-16 callsign PHANTOM 21 recovered from tactical, via Malta ACC to Brindisi 264.850 MHz or 121.075 Mhz.

1 Hour Ago:WEASEL 1, USAFE Spangdahlem F-16, recovered from tactical FL250 > FL290 on discretion waypoint ERNAM direct LIPA, Aviano Air Base

2 Hours Ago:New Sentry arrived at Mediterranean theater today ZEUS 42 Boeing E-3B tail NR 76-1607, departed CONUS as SHUCK 91

Unmanned RQ-4 Global Hawk as Forte 10 FL500 went tactical at 22:15 UTC

concussion

If I were Gaddafi I'd give up on EW radar and hit up Steyr for the info

BrianD

Sky showed some Harriers taking off in darkness from an aircraft carrier. Is the Ark Royal out there?

maquiladora

BrianD wrote: »

Sky showed some Harriers taking off in darkness from an aircraft carrier. Is the Ark Royal out there?

USS Kearsarge.

Ark Royal is decommissioned.

Fratton Fred

BrianD wrote: »

Sky showed some Harriers taking off in darkness from an aircraft carrier. Is the Ark Royal out there?

Ark Royal is being decomissioned. Are you sure they weren't super etendard's taking off from the French carrier?

Beaten to it. I didn't realise the us navy was out there.

BrianD

Fratton Fred wrote: »

Ark Royal is being decomissioned. Are you sure they weren't super etendard's taking off from the French carrier?

Beaten to it. I didn't realise the us navy was out there.

I've been watching the Discover Channels doc on the last Ark Royal voyages.

They appeared to be Harriers. I though the US had retired their Harrier aircraft (I know they use a different designation) as well but I've just found a news story that states the opposite.

Steyr

US Navy do not have Harriers, The US Marine Corps have AV8B Harriers.

Manic Moran

Italian and Spanish carriers are both Harrier ships.

Spain (Principe d'Asturias)


Italy (Giuseppe Garibaldi)


Presumably both are partaking in the fun and games.
[Edit. Looking online, both are indeed in the area]

[Further edit: Found the footage on Sky, taken with image intensifier. That is indeed a Jarhead Harrier launched from an LHA or LHD. (Kearsarge is an LHD)]

NTM

johngalway

Steyr wrote: »

US Navy do not have Harriers, The US Marine Corps have AV8B Harriers.

Are all British harriers out of service now?

hmmm

That AC130 would be very helpful over the cities, but there looks to be a significant number of MANPADs in Libya - I even saw one of the rebels running along with one outside Ajdabiya (what's he going to do, club Gadaffi's men with it?). I doubt an AC130 will last long in that environment?

hmmm

This video shows the Gadaffi forces that the French attacked on the road to Benghazi

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hwWwOeZqz6M

Motoring hard, complete with burning rebel tank - I'm sure I saw that tank on the TV news (before it was destroyed) so this is quite close to Benghazi.

Raging_Ninja

johngalway wrote: »

Are all British harriers out of service now?

They seem to have made their last operational flights in late 2010, with decommissioning in the next few weeks, according to the SDSR. USMC AV-8Bs (according to a quick wiki) will be phased out from 2014 and replaced with the F35B.

Steyr

johngalway wrote: »

Are all British harriers out of service now?

They are, they are on RAF Bases and still in a "serviceable" condition but no longer in use, the RN Operated the Sea Harrier "SHAR" until that type was retired and replaced by Joint Force Harrier (RAF/RN) using GR7 and GR9 Harriers.

The SHAR was retired in 2006.

Steyr

CYPRUS - RAF Akrotiri

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80-1079 U-2S 17th RW c/s DRAGON99 ops 21mar/22mar


FRANCE -Dijon

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FRANCE - Istres

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FRANCE - Reims

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FRANCE - Solenzara

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+2 Mirage 2000D EC02.003 ops 21mar
305/118-EC Rafale B ECE05.330 ops 22mar
+7 Rafale B/C


FRANCE - St. Dizier

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333/113-IH Rafale B EC01.091 ops 19mar
338/113-IO Rafale B EC01.091 ops 19mar


GERMANY - Geilenkirchen

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LX-N90445 E-3A NAEWF
LX-N90447 E-3A NAEWF ops 19mar
LX-N90451 E-3A NAEWF ops 19mar


GREECE - Araxos

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FA56 F-16AM 10th Wg
FA81 F-16AM 10th Wg
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FA103 F-16AM 10th Wg
FA123 F-16AM 10th Wg
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FA136 F-16AM 10th Wg



GREECE - Souda Bay

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4x F-16C HAF
285 F-16AM RNoAF/Bodo c/s NOW132a-f arr 21mar
662 F-16AM RNoAF/Bodo c/s NOW132a-f arr 21mar
668 F-16AM RNoAF/Bodo c/s NOW132a-f arr 21mar
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678 F-16AM RNoAF/Bodo c/s NOW132a-f arr 21mar
680 F-16AM RNoAF/Bodo c/s NOW132a-f arr 21mar
5629 +1 C-130J-30 RNoAF support 21mar
73-1587/DM EC-130H 193rd SOS c/s SHEEN 53
00-1934 EC-130J 193rd SOS
64-14841 RC-135V USAF c/s SNOOP 55
QA92 Mirage 2000-5EDA 7sqn/Qatar AF arr 22mar
QA97 Mirage 2000-5EDA 7sqn/Qatar AF arr 22mar
A7-MAA C-17A Transport sqn/Qatar AF support 22mar
A7-MAB C-17A Transport sqn/Qatar AF support 22mar


ITALY - Aviano AB

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91-0304/LN F-15E 492th FS crashed Libya 21mar
91-0331/LN F-15E 494th FS
91-0604/LN F-15E 48th FW
91-0605/LN F-15E 48th FW
96-0201/LN F-15E 492nd FS
01-2004/LN F-15E 48th FW
+6-8x F-15E 48th FW
90-0818/SP F-16CJ 480th FS
91-0352/SP F-16CJ 480th FS
91-0360/SP F-16CJ 480th FS
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91-0412/SP F-16CJ 480th FS
91-0416/SP F-16CJ 480th FS
91-0472/SP F-16CJ 480th FS
+3 F-16CJ 480th FS
166895/NL-541 EA-18G VAQ-132
166898/NL-544 EA-18G VAQ-132
+3 EA-18G VAQ-132


ITALY - Decimomannu

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C.15-65/12-23 EF-18A+ Ala 12 c/s POKER17 21mar
C.15-66/12-24 EF-18A+ Ala 12 c/s POKER 21 21mar
C.15-68/12-26 EF-18A+ Ala 12
C.15-69/12-27 EF-18A+ Ala 12
TK.17-1/47-01 B707 471Esc c/s BRUJO60 21mar


ITALY - Gioia del Colle

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ZA541/034 Tornado GR4 2/9/15sqn
ZA462 Tornado GR4 2sqn
ZA469/029 Tornado GR4 2/9/15sqn
ZD793/101 Tornado GR4 15(R)sqn
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+3 Tornado GR4 2/9/15sqn
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ITALY - NAS Sigonella

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E-596 F-16AM Esk730
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E-608 F-16AM Esk730
+5 F-16AM Esk727/730
B-538 C-130J Esk721 support 21mar
.x RQ-4B USAF/Det4 Beale c/s FORTE


ITALY - Trapani

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+1 Tornado ECR 155Gr arr 20mar
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4x Tornado IDS 6St arr 20mar
4x EF-2000 4St arr 20mar
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188756 CF-188 425sqn c/s HUSKY
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15004 CC-150 ...sqn c/s HUSKY/PETRO
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MALTA - Luqa

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NETHERLANDS - Eindhoven

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SPAIN - Moron

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ZD707/077 Tornado GR4 nmks ops 19mar
ZD746 Tornado GR4 2(AC)sqn
ZD810/102 Tornado GR4 14sqn ops 19mar
...../036 Tornado GR4 ops 21mar


UK - RAF Mildenhall

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89-1054 AC-130U 1st SOW c/s RCH1008 arr 19mar
90-0163 AC-130U 1st SOQ arr 22mar
61-2670/OF OC-135W 55th Wg arr 19mar
63-9792 RC-135B 55th Wg c/s SNOOP 56 arr 21mar


UK - RAF Lakenheath

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.x F-15E 48th FW ops 20mar


USA - Whiteman AFB

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82-1071 B-2A 363rd BS c/s RCH5410 Flt inbound, EDGY outbound ops 19mar
93-1088 B-2A 393rd BS c/s RCH5410 Flt inbound, EDGY outbound ops 19mar
93-1087 B-2A 393rd BS c/s RCH5410 Flt inbound, EDGY outbound ops 19mar


USA - Portsmouth

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59-1498 KC-135 c/s ETHYL** tanker support B-2A's ops19mar
62-3498 KC-135 c/s ETHYL** tanker support B-2A's ops19mar
62-3507 KC-135 c/s ETHYL** tanker support B-2A's ops19mar
63-8026 KC-135 c/s ETHYL** tanker support B-2A's ops19mar
63-8872 KC-135 c/s ETHYL** tanker support B-2A's ops19mar
64-14836 KC-135 c/s ETHYL** tanker support B-2A's ops19mar


MED SEA - USS Kearsarge

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/50 AV-8B VMM-266
/52 AV-8B VMM-266
/53 AV-8B VMM-266
/54 AV-8B VMM-266
/57 AV-8B VMM-266
165596/?? AV-8B VMM-266
/04 MV-22A
/05 MV-22A
/06 MV-22A
/07 +1 MV-22A
/23 +3 CH-53E
/31 +2 UH-1N
4x AH-1W
2x MH-60S/R HSC-12


MED SEA - USS Ponce

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2x HH-60G 56th RQS


MED SEA - Charles de Gaule

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M12 Rafale M 12F
M15 Rafale M 12F
M19 Rafale M 12F
M20 Rafale M 12F
M21 Rafale M 12F
M23 Rafale M 12F
M24 Rafale M 12F
M26 Rafale M 12F
10 Super Etendard 17F
37 Super Etendard 17F
43 Super Etendard 17F
44 Super Etendard 17F
53 Super Etendard 17F
65 Super Etendard 17F
2x E-2C 4F
2x Dauphin
1x Alouette
1x Puma ALAT
2x Caracal AdA


MED SEA - Garibaldi (Italy)

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6x AV-8B I GrupAer
.x heli


MED SEA - HMS Westminster (UK)

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ZH841 EH101


RED SEA - USS Enterprise

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NOTED OPERATIONS COALITION - TDY/BASE UNKNOWN

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83-0036 KC-10A 19mar/22mar
57-1488 KC-135 22mar
57-1493 KC-135 22mar
58-0016 KC-135 22mar
58-0046 KC-135T 92th ARW
58-0072 KC-135 22mar
58-0084 KC-135 22mar
58-0117 KC-135 22mar
58-0019 KC-135 22mar
59-1459 KC-135 22mar
59-1464 KC-135T 21mar 92th ARW
59-1468 KC-135 22mar
59-1510 KC-135 22mar
60-0342 KC-135 22mar
60-0348 KC-135 22mar
60-0353 KC-135 22mar
61-0304 KC-135 22mar
61-0306 KC-135 20mar
62-3499 KC-135 22mar
62-3540 KC-135 22mar
62-3551 KC-135 20mar
62-3577 KC-135 22mar
63-7979 KC-135 22mar
63-7993 KC-135R 121st ARW
63-8006 KC-135 22mar
63-8018 KC-135 22mar
63-8019 KC-135 22mar
63-8044 KC-135R 916th ARW
63-8871 KC-135R 22nd ARW
63-8879 KC-135R 173rd ARS
92-3289/GA E-8C 116th ACW c/s PYTHON99 heading Moron/Spain?
73-1677 E-4B 1st ACCS heading Ben Gurion

From different (TV)reports/air force sites/sbs-1 logs and other sources, known serials of involved aircraft so far:
RAF
Tornado GR4 2/9sq/15sq: ZA541/034, ZA462 (2sq mks), ZA469/029?,ZD793/101
Typhoon FGR4 3/11/29sq: ZJ916/QO-U,ZJ917/QO-G,ZJ918/QO-L,ZJ919/DC,ZJ924/DD,ZJ925/QO-R,ZJ928/BX,ZJ933/DF,
ZJ939/DXI,ZJ941/Q-J
VC-10C1K/K4 101sq: XV102,XV106,ZA149,ZA150
Tristar K1/C2 216sq: ZD951,ZE705
Sentinel R1 5sq: ZJ693
Nimrod R1 51sq: XV249
E-3D 8sq: ZH101/01,ZH106/06

Armee de L'Air
Rafale B/C EC01.007/EC01.091: 333/113-IH, 338/113-IO, 124/113-GC
Mirage 2000-5F GC01.002: 63/102-EM, 70/102-AD, 74/(102-MK)
C-160NG EEA.01.054: F216
C-135FR GRV02.091: 472/93-CC,474/93-CE,497/93-CM,525/93-CN,736/93-CH,738/93-CJ
E-3F EDCA00.036: 202/702-CB
Aeronavale- on board Charles de Gaulle
SEM 17F: 10,37,43,44,53,56
Rafale M 12F: 12,15,19,20,21,23,24,26

Canadian Armed Forces
CF-188 3 Wing: 188734,188739,188752,188756,188759,188760,188769
CC-150 437sq: 15004,15005

USAF/ANG/AFRC
KC-10A: 79-1947,79-1951,83-0076
KC-135R: 57-1493,61-0304,61-0306,62-3499,63-7979,57-2605,62-3565,63-8022
EC-130J: 73-1587,00-1934

Belgium/BAC
F-16AM 10W: FA82,FA136

NATO/ NAEW&CF
E-3A: LX-N90442, LX-N90445,LX-N90451


http://www.worldairpics.com/forum/index.php?topic=2694.0

Steyr

13 Minutes Ago:Female pilot Boeing EA-18G Growler switched Brindisi 121.075 MHz


31 Minutes Ago:Canadian Air Force CC-150 as PETRO 14 working Malta ACC talking about CHAOS 63/64 on the boom (refuel).

EARLIER:

RCH3504 CLIMBING 270 AND HAS TO RECEIVER AIRCRAFT AND RCH 229 RELEASED WITH ROME

RCH211 ALSO HAS 2 RECEIVERS WITH HIM


2130 local
RCH211 dropping off our two receivers, call Italian controller now 135.425 with req

RCH3504 request 330 - 270

RCH229 - contact Roma 128.8


RCH3504 inbound SOUDA
FAF4021 heard at 21:27
RCH229 inbound LEMO
RCH211 inbound LEMO
VIPER05 4 ship F-16's contact Brindisi control 135.425 (21:51)
RCH655 inbound LEMO (21:52)
NATO05 FL310 dest not heard Roma 128.8 at 22:40
PANTER51 and PANTER53 refuelling with AGIP77 (AMI Tornado's with AMI C-130)


21.45
Viper 05 a 4 ship, 2 wingmen are 80 behind contact Brindis 135.425

RCH655 sqk 1255 req lemo


22.32 CET
Panther53 near EKOLA, will be refueling with AGIP77 (Panter 51 flight already flying with AGIP77)


2230 local
Panther 50/51 going operational

AGIP77 C130TANKER ITALIAN AND JUST NOW PETRO14 HAS CHAOS 63 AND 64 WITH HIM CANADIANS F18S


CHAOS 63/64 should be USN EA-18's, returning to Aviano.
22.52 CET PETRO14 climbing FL320, RTB Trapani


23:20
Weasel was heard, direct Aviano and identified themselves as 2 x F-16s
FAF4031: flight of 3 (so probably KC-135 with 2 chicks)
Forte10: sq3416, operating between FL500-550

hmmm

This is madness

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0aQvVENJzzE

concussion

Looks like a tank supporting militia to me.

LondonIrish90

RAF Tornado jets target Libyan tanks in Ajdabiya

RAF Tornado jets launched strikes on Libyan government forces overnight, firing guided missiles at armoured vehicles, including Russian-made T72 tanks.

The aircraft flew from Gioia del Colle airbase in south-eastern Italy, destroying tanks and other vehicles that were threatening civilians in the eastern town of Ajdabiya.

"British Tornado GR4 aircraft, on armed reconnaissance missions over Libya, last night took part in a coordinated missile strike against units of Colonel (Muammar) Gaddafi's Libyan military in support of the United Nations Security Council Resolution 1973," Liam Fox, the Defence Secretary, said.

"The Tornado aircraft launched a number of guided Brimstone missiles at Libyan armoured vehicles which were threatening the civilian population of Ajdabiya."

He described the missiles as "a high-precision, low-collateral damage weapon optimised against demanding and mobile targets."

There was a mood of quiet jubilation among RAF pilots and navigators, who are staying in a hotel in the town of Gioia del Colle because there is no room on the nearby base, which is run by the Italian military.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/africaandindianocean/libya/8406161/RAF-Tornado-jets-target-Libyan-tanks-in-Ajdabiya.html

BrianD

hmmm wrote: »

This video shows the Gadaffi forces that the French attacked on the road to Benghazi

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hwWwOeZqz6M

Motoring hard, complete with burning rebel tank - I'm sure I saw that tank on the TV news (before it was destroyed) so this is quite close to Benghazi.

You can really see the challenges facing Coalition forces as this activity continues. It's almost impossible to distinguish one side from the other. Everybody seems to be driving around in pick up trucks and some military equipment. Then there seems to be civilians driving around in their pick up trucks.

Corsendonk

BrianD wrote: »

You can really see the challenges facing Coalition forces as this activity continues. It's almost impossible to distinguish one side from the other. Everybody seems to be driving around in pick up trucks and some military equipment. Then there seems to be civilians driving around in their pick up trucks.

Looking at some of the recent news reports on the rebels they are all still civilians or a very weak militia at best. 3 days training for recruits, main tactic consists of driving up the main rd to the enemy, getting shot at and then driving back as fast as they can when it gets too hot. Some of the more experienced rebels with military experience have started to get involved but they still seem to have a weak chain of command. A boast at the start of the campaign from the rebels was they didn't need commanders and some of them still seem to believe that. The longer it continues the more need for outside military specialists to help upskill the rebels or take the fight on to Ghadaffi. The Swiss guard has a better chance of toppling Ghadaffi than the rebels at the present.

Overheal

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5iIPq5j2Yxw

Libya Conflict Situation Harriers Land on USS Kearsarge Operation Odyssey Dawn AV-8B Harriers with Marine Tiltrotor Squadron (VMM) 266 (Reinforced), 26th Marine Expeditionary Unit, land on the flight deck of amphibious assault ship USS Kearsage (LHD 3).

Not sure of the number.

oncevotedff

Corsendonk wrote: »

.... but they still seem to have a weak chain of command. A boast at the start of the campaign from the rebels was they didn't need commanders and some of them still seem to believe that..

There was a lad interviewed lastnight on the news who had the rifle and the shades but no idea who was in charge.

Corsendonk wrote: »

.... The longer it continues the more need for outside military specialists to help upskill the rebels or take the fight on to Ghadaffi. .

Who decided that a few arrogant countries could change the government of anywhere?

hmmm

"Sweden's foreign minister Carl Bildt tells Sky's Adam Boulton neutrality is from the Soviet era and confirms his country wants to contribute to the military efforts in Libya."

Gripens soon to be involved? The yanks might as well throw in the F22 and let everyone have a go with their new toys.

oncevotedff

hmmm wrote: »

"Sweden's foreign minister Carl Bildt tells Sky's Adam Boulton neutrality is from the Soviet era and confirms his country wants to contribute to the military efforts in Libya."

Gripens soon to be involved? The yanks might as well throw in the F22 and let everyone have a go with their new toys.

Way to join in when the fighting is all but over. I didn't know that the Soviet era began in 1812.

hmmm

Reports that A-10s may be deployed soon
http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2011/03/25/134861411/allies-may-arm-libyan-rebels-and-deploy-tank-killing-warthogs

Overheal

hmmm wrote: »

Reports that A-10s may be deployed soon
http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2011/03/25/134861411/allies-may-arm-libyan-rebels-and-deploy-tank-killing-warthogs

You ever seen the cannon on those? ... well neither have I, but I saw it on TV. It was beautiful.

hmmm

Overheal wrote: »

You ever seen the cannon on those? ... well neither have I, but I saw it on TV. It was beautiful.

johngalway

hmmm wrote: »

Reports that A-10s may be deployed soon
http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2011/03/25/134861411/allies-may-arm-libyan-rebels-and-deploy-tank-killing-warthogs

Saw those at the Salthill Airshow, old Daffy Ducks armour is in big trouble if they're to be deployed, especially if his air defenses have been effectively removed.

Utrinque Paratus

350 UK Special Forces Soldiers in Libya

In total it is understood that just under 250 UK special forces soldiers and their support have been in Libya since before the launch of air strikes to enforce the no-fly zone against Gaddafi’s forces.

The troops in Libya were drawn from a squadron of SAS and SBS personnel, some who have been in the country for a month and are being re-supplied with water, food and ammunition via airdrops from Cyprus.

Those numbers were further boosted by nearly 100 this week when paratroopers from the Special Forces Support Group (SFSG) were sent to Libya as coalition commanders prepare to increase the tempo of operations.

A further 800 Royal Marines are on five days’ notice to deploy to the Mediterranean to support humanitarian relief and aid operations.

The beefing up of the Special Forces contingent comes as commanders switch attacks against command and control centres to low-level attacks against Gaddafi’s tanks.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#ixzz1HfBZHNfv

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