Brocock air,a solution[for a problem?]

Grizzly 45

Been thinking about this recently.
Alot of folks here had to surrender their handguns or deact them to high tech clubs,or flog them to an over saturated market.
There "might" be a third option.Convert it to an air pistol!

For those of you who have never heard of the Brocock system,it is a machined small "cartridge" that holds a air charge and air rifle pellet.It is fired by bein struck by the hammer which releases the air charge driving the pellet,and once modified,the system will extract,eject and reload in a pistol or semi auto.IOW a air rifle/pistol with all the features of the real powder firing gun.
Now the beauty is;you can use real live firearms that have been "permantly alterd" to this system.IE there is no way any new barrels or whatever can be retrofitted or reverse engineered,the frame is critically weakened to break up if a real shell is fired ,a .177 air rifle barrel is fitted permantly into the original barrel etc.In continental Europe these are actually off ticket items,as they are air weapons.

Here,maybe this might work as; There seems to be no magazine capacity limits on air guns..
There is no weird hangups on how an air pistol or rifle has to look like.
[In fact some of the air stuff looks a lot weirder than normal firearms.:eek::D]

Looks and feels alot better than a potmetal/plastic airsoft for training purposes.
Should be alot easier to liscense,as air while regarded as a "firearm"
is somhow abit more tolerant in the application?
Can be done with both long and short arms.
Thoughts?

daveob007

nice idea but would the cost justify it,,where can this be done and how much..

Grizzly 45

UK or Germany do,or in the UKs case did them ,or in reality any competant gunSMITH should be able to modify the gun to this system.

gunhappy_ie

Just on the small bit of reading ive done on it ... No (unfortunatly) ... it wouldnt work here and i dont see how it would work with a Semiauto pistol without major modification and cost.


I googling the subject ive found a few suppliers in the Uk, none seem to offer the service as the converted pistols seem to have been eventually banned because of reports that they were easy to convert to live fire.

(I dont want to get into a debate about that as I dont have a gun to inspect and lets be honest, if the media say it can then it has to be true )

Grizzly 45

Found the company that was doing them in Germany www.cds-ehrenreich.de

Ok this was in an advert in 2008, but they were doing the following examples in pistols.
CZ75 [Bruenner German copy] @730 Euros
Norinco copy 1911 @520
[EMAIL="Marakov@298,P38"]Marakov@298,P38[/EMAIL] , FN HP
Revolvers S&W 10 4in S&W 64 [EMAIL="4in@298"]4in@298[/EMAIL]
Rifles
M57 Torkarev[Yougo version]@280
Custom conversions please apply

They were all converted to 5.5mm airweapons with the F stamp,which puts it inder 7.5 joules.

As you know yourself GH,the Germans dont just look at a gun and say "ah well it looks like it could be converted to re fire live ammo,or to full auto ,or is nasty just because of its evil looks".They go and take it to the lab and see if it can be actually done,with a dremel,a file ,some old sauerkraut tins,and a bit of string and a beer bottle top!
IOW anything that an average German might have in their tool kit and has the reading ability of a ten year old.No lathes,milling machines etc or engineering skills.

So if they Bundesland police and forensics lab and the TUV[The German equivelant of the NCT,DOE,and test branch of all mechanical devices] cant do it.Then the average Herr Schmidt wont be likely to do it either.

So Yes there is considrable remachining and structural weakning done to the gun.But you can be assured they WILL work,as any German gunmaker must by law be able to stand over their repair work and creations.

As for the UK situation.Well that was the red brand news/toilet paper making headlines again on a murder of some teen at a black on black gang banger drive by.Some Gangsta shot her with a reconverted deact MAC10 which had nothing to do with a brocock air gun.
It was because the police found one of his pals with a brocock converted BP Colt peacemaker at his house,that started the obligatory UK hysteria led by that shrill harpie Gill Marsh Andrews ,of the Gun Control Network on the latest threat to all things British and their way of "life".:rolleyes:

Trying to fire a live round in one of these guns would be like pulling the pin on a hand grenade,letting the spoon fly off and holding onto it for five seconds.:pac:

So TBH I wouldnt put any reliance on what those lot say in the UK,especially in their daily bog roll and chip wrappers.:P