Is the danger of getting CJD from BSE infected cattle still lurking?

Worztron

I would think yes.
Can people get CJD from dairy or must someone eat beef? The CJD disease is always fatal. There is no cure.
Also I reckon with the appalling factory farming going on around the world that an epidemic is bound to break out.

Victor

There was only one case of BSE in Ireland last year. The disease is in decline.

That said, vCJD isn't good.

Worztron

Victor wrote: »

There was only one case of BSE in Ireland last year. The disease is in decline.

According to here there were 1,353 cases of BSE (in total over the years) with 4 deaths from CJD. I'd be very wary of the meat industry. Their prime motive is profit and will tell people what they want to hear.

The Hill Billy

Moved to Farming from Food & Drink.

HB

kfk

Hill Billy wrote: »

Moved to Farming from Food & Drink.

HB

Should have been moved to the rubbish bin forum.

Tora Bora

When we were culling the greens in the election last week, it appears we may have missed one:eek:

bogman_bass

your link has it all really.
4 deaths in 20 years. That is 0.2 deaths per year.
yes there is a risk but its so statistically small that its not worth worrying about.
you are far more likely to die from being hit by lightning, being electrocuted by your alarm clock or contracting salmonella from orgainic lettuce.
There is always an element of risk in life and if you got too hung up about it you would never get out of bed.

while there was 1300 cases in that time that is not a bad thing. with compulsery testing of all cattle over 48 months it means that none of them got into the food chain.

There are far greater risks to worry about. Worrying about it is more likely to kill you than acctually contracting it

johngalway

Going on Bogmans post there are a considerable number of industries to be wary of before you get within an asses roar of the meat industry.

Suckler

Worztron wrote: »

I'd be very wary of the meat industry. Their prime motive is profit

An Industry that tries to make profit? Surely not :rolleyes:

Feargal as Luimneach

Worztron wrote: »

According to here there were 1,353 cases of BSE (in total over the years) with 4 deaths from CJD. I'd be very wary of the meat industry. Their prime motive is profit and will tell people what they want to hear.

The source of infection of BSE to cattle is banned (meat and bone meal). Ireland has one of the strictest regimes to control BSE in cattle. All cattle over 48 months are tested for BSE in the meat factory (brain sample). Any positive animal's carcase is destroyed. As well as that all Specified Risk material (SRM) from all carcases are incinerated.

SRM includes Brain, spinal cord and spleen. SRM in an affected animal is the greatest source of the BSE prion. The BSE prion is what causes vCJD.

The cases of BSE in cattle in Ireland now are all cattle that were exposed to infected meat and bone meal (prior ban) ie old cattle.

The_Conductor

Worztron wrote: »

According to here there were 1,353 cases of BSE (in total over the years) with 4 deaths from CJD. I'd be very wary of the meat industry. Their prime motive is profit and will tell people what they want to hear.

There were 4 deaths on Irish roads in the past 4 days........ 4 deaths from CJD over the past 20 years, while regretable, pales into insignificance when you consider the carnage happening on our roads.

As for the prime motive of the Irish meat industry being profit- well, they'd be out of business if it wasn't. They do not however simply tell people what they want to hear- we have a world reknowned system of traceability and testing here- Irish meat is probably some of the safest meat in the world. I, for one, am relieved to get back home from abroad- its only when you're exposed to what passes as 'normal' in other countries- that you truly appreciate just how good our Irish produce is, and how lucky we are to have such ready access to high quality food, as standard- rather than as an exception.

Victor

Look at the number of cases here (note chart is in two parts): http://www.vetsweb.com/news/bse-update-considerable-drop-in-2009-795.html All indications are that those countries that are testing (and Ireland does the most testing) have the situation very much under control. While other countries may not use the intensive farming techniques that brought about the problem, there is an absence of date.

http://www.thebeefsite.com/bse-news/25820/higher-age-tests-mean-savings-of-8m

Worztron

The factory farming setup is a ticking timebomb.

nilhg

Worztron wrote: »

The factory farming setup is a ticking timebomb.

Yep, we should stop intensive food production (or as you prefer to call it factory farming) allow half the population of the world to starve, then the remaining people would live in the style they deserve...........

bogman_bass

The OP clearly doesnt have much experience of farming in Ireland but lets not pounce on him (or her). Lets educate or people like the OP will go and get their (mis)information from the likes of PETA.
We all have a role as PR officers for farming.

Ireland is a very extensive farming country in western terms. Our beef system, which is what the thread is about, is probably the least extensive in europe.
We dont have big feedlots with 1000's of cattle like they have in the US.
Most of our suckler farmers have less than 20 cows.
We also have increadbly high welfare and enviromental standards by international standards which is helped by our grass based production farming.
If you are worried about factory farming then buy Irish

pmct

Isn't it funny the way someone always goes on about bse when prices start to rise

Worztron

What dates did the last person die in Ireland and the UK due to Creutzfeldt-Jakob disease (vCJD)

It can take 2 to 8 years for symptoms to develop, making it difficult to determine if the disease has been completely wiped out.

Mad Cow Disease/BSE (bovine spongiform encephalopathy) 'can be spread through air': http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-1347003/How-mad-cow-disease-spread-air.html

bob charles

Worztron wrote: »

What dates did the last person die in Ireland and the UK due to Creutzfeldt-Jakob disease (vCJD)

It can take 2 to 8 years for symptoms to develop, making it difficult to determine if the disease has been completely wiped out.

Mad Cow Disease/BSE (bovine spongiform encephalopathy) 'can be spread through air': http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-1347003/How-mad-cow-disease-spread-air.html

thanks for the Daily Mail source. I dont think I will chance driving on the roads either this evening due to the amount of people that get killed on them each year. BSE was a smoke screen for the British Gov when they were under serious pressure, now my sympathy to anyone that contracted vCJD but what we were told the day the news broke by the English Gov is very different to what has played out. How many people die including my own friends from smoking each year??? and they choose to do this

Atilathehun

Worztron wrote: »

What dates did the last person die in Ireland and the UK due to Creutzfeldt-Jakob disease (vCJD)

It can take 2 to 8 years for symptoms to develop, making it difficult to determine if the disease has been completely wiped out.

Mad Cow Disease/BSE (bovine spongiform encephalopathy) 'can be spread through air': http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-1347003/How-mad-cow-disease-spread-air.html

Seems there are a few people with mad cow disease around alright. Not the CJD variant however. More the good old traditional version:D:D

Tipp Man

Worzton if you are so worried about catching CJD from beef then don't eat beef - simple as

No need to be preaching to the rest of us who love a good steak, or a beautiful roast or any other beef cuts. God i'm making myself hungry writing this post - steak this evening it is. Fillet or striploin??

bbam

The veggie munching crowd just love this crap and will use anything to prove a point against beef.
There is more chance of a cow stamping you to death than getting CJD

Tipp Man

How do people like their steak?

I'm a medium man myself. No blood but a bit of redness through the middle.

What about sauces? Yaa or Naa? Some people say no to sauce. Mushroom sauce for me

Min

Worztron wrote: »

What dates did the last person die in Ireland and the UK due to Creutzfeldt-Jakob disease (vCJD)

It can take 2 to 8 years for symptoms to develop, making it difficult to determine if the disease has been completely wiped out.

Mad Cow Disease/BSE (bovine spongiform encephalopathy) 'can be spread through air': http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-1347003/How-mad-cow-disease-spread-air.html

..and it was the mid 1990's when the whole BSE/CJD thing arose, measures were taken to stop the cause of the problem.

About it spreading throught the air, you can get AIDS by touching someone with that disease, but then that was made up too.

bbam

Tipp Man wrote: »

How do people like their steak?

I'm a medium man myself. No blood but a bit of redness through the middle.

What about sauces? Yaa or Naa? Some people say no to sauce. Mushroom sauce for me

Yep..
Medium is good.. I'd rather no blood but it doesn't spoil it either..
Fried mushrooms and onions with thick cut home made chips... leave the skins on if ya want too....

Damn... chicken tonight !

bogman_bass

Worztron wrote: »

What dates did the last person die in Ireland and the UK due to Creutzfeldt-Jakob disease (vCJD)

It can take 2 to 8 years for symptoms to develop, making it difficult to determine if the disease has been completely wiped out.

Mad Cow Disease/BSE (bovine spongiform encephalopathy) 'can be spread through air': http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-1347003/How-mad-cow-disease-spread-air.html

As stated in earlier posts the statistical risk of catching vCJD is so small as to be considered insignificant.

you are far, far more likely to die from food poisioning or slipping on the bath. there is procedures in place and they are working. Relax. This is not an issue

blue5000

''Live exports should be banned outright. Cattle are being exported (and endure horrendous conditions while traveling) to muslim countries for the atrocious halal slaughter. Animals are being tortured to accommodate hocus pocus religious beliefs.''

OP is this another of your farmer bashing attempts?

leg wax

give me blood dripping out of mine ,just show it the pan and onto the plate,as long as its stoped mooing and moveing,dont forget the bottle of full bodied red wine to release the real flavour thats my sauce.:P

johngalway

blue5000 wrote: »

OP is this another of your farmer bashing attempts?

I've suddenly developed the urge to have a rare T bone steak after mass now, with perhaps some stag hunting in the afternoon and an evening spent at the circus, naturally driving to all in a 6 litre 4x4

bob charles

I would always eat a some raw first to check for tenderness. My restaurant friend taught I was mad doing such a thing, now he does it all the time and tries to get his chef's do likewise.

The steak coming within the sight of the pan is perfect for me. Drives me insane when visiting friends for dinner and they say that they have a lovely bit of steak for dinner, only then for me to witness a crimation in the oven

bob charles

johngalway wrote: »

I've suddenly developed the urge to have a rare T bone steak after mass now, with perhaps some stag hunting in the afternoon and an evening spent at the circus, naturally driving to all in a 6 litre 4x4

I taught you were an eco freak and rode around on a bike. Damn you actually, draining wet lands - your the work of the devil

johngalway

bob charles wrote: »

I taught you were an eco freak and rode around on a bike. Damn you actually, draining wet lands - your the work of the devil

I only wear a hat to hide the horns Bob :cool:

Worztron

blue5000 wrote: »

''Live exports should be banned outright. Cattle are being exported (and endure horrendous conditions while traveling) to muslim countries for the atrocious halal slaughter. Animals are being tortured to accommodate hocus pocus religious beliefs.''

OP is this another of your farmer bashing attempts?

So you say anyone that highlights animal cruelty is farmer bashing?

Worztron

Nobody has answered my questions. A bunch of you have just spewed inane nonsense.

What year did the last person die in Ireland and the UK due to CJD?

What makes you all think nothing like this can never happen again?

leg wax

Worztron wrote: »

Nobody has answered my questions. A bunch of you have just spewed inane nonsense.

What year did the last person die in Ireland and the UK due to CJD?

What makes you all think nothing like this can never happen again?

go ask a bloody doctor or a funeral director instead of asking farmers:mad:

Tipp Man

Worztron wrote: »

Nobody has answered my questions. A bunch of you have just spewed inane nonsense.

What year did the last person die in Ireland and the UK due to CJD?

What makes you all think nothing like this can never happen again?

I did answer your question - i told you to stop eating beef and to let the rest of us get on with eating as much of it as possible

blue5000

Worztron wrote: »

Nobody has answered my questions. A bunch of you have just spewed inane nonsense.

What year did the last person die in Ireland and the UK due to CJD?

What makes you all think nothing like this can never happen again?

Who gives a fcuk, most of us on here lost 10,000 to 50,000 each all because the japs invented a cheaper, faster method of producing meat and bone meal at too low a temperature that the food processing industry adapted world wide. There will most likely be food scares again as food processors and us farmers strive to produce quality food as efficiently as possible so that people like you don't starve.

keep going

lads dont waste any more time with this thread

bob charles

Worztron wrote: »

Nobody has answered my questions. A bunch of you have just spewed inane nonsense.

What year did the last person die in Ireland and the UK due to CJD?

What makes you all think nothing like this can never happen again?

People die of CJD all the time even though the amounts is tiny and usually affecting old people. "Normal" CJD is basically Dementia.

New Variant CJD (nvCJD) is the one related to BSE which is the animal form of CJD
None of the human CJD deaths over last 20 years (around 25 people I think) have ever been proven to have being caused by nvCJD.

anyone interested in this subject should grab a copy of a book called "Animal Pharm" by Mark Purdey

bob charles

keep going wrote: »

lads dont waste any more time with this thread

is trying to educate the ignorant time wasted?

johngalway

bob charles wrote: »

is trying to educate the ignorant time wasted?

Do a post search

bob charles

johngalway wrote: »

Do a post search

I did at the start, Now John what are your taughts on Duffy's Circus

Atilathehun

bob charles wrote: »

I did at the start, Now John what are your taughts on Duffy's Circus

I'm convinced vegeatables too have feelings:o They suffer excruciating pain, every time they are cut, washed, diced, sliced ......... :eek:

People like Wozotron, going around inflicting pain on the poor veggies ......... there should be a law against it:cool:

johngalway

bob charles wrote: »

I did at the start, Now John what are your taughts on Duffy's Circus

I've prepared 5,000 words on the subject Bob

(Myself and the kids had a great time ringside eating popcorn).

Atilathehun wrote: »

I'm convinced vegeatables too have feelings:o They suffer excruciating pain, every time they are cut, washed, diced, sliced ......... :eek:

People like Wozotron, going around inflicting pain on the poor veggies ......... there should be a law against it:cool:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KmK0bZl4ILM

Worztron

Atilathehun wrote: »

I'm convinced vegeatables too have feelings:o They suffer excruciating pain, every time they are cut, washed, diced, sliced ......... :eek:

People like Wozotron, going around inflicting pain on the poor veggies ......... there should be a law against it:cool:

You cant even spell my username correctly. You think animal cruelty is funny? That is very sad.

Worztron

johngalway wrote: »

I've prepared 5,000 words on the subject Bob

(Myself and the kids had a great time ringside eating popcorn).

You are teaching your children that animal abuse is fine.
Cop yourself on. :mad:

Min

I know from posting on this forum that no one supports animal cruelty.

Worztron, are you a member of PETA, or have you been on Liveline recently on RTE radio 1? You remind me of a person who was on the radio.

reilig

This thread has been closed in the interest of keeping the peace.

Reilig

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