Why are Dublin people so insecure about where they live?

el diablo

John Doe1 wrote: »

After visiting Cork at the weekend, I think the capital should be moved there. Much more "irish" and so much friendlier than dublin. Maybe we an sell dublin to norway or denmark or perhaps they can just rename it west britain and set up an independent nation.

:rolleyes:

Not the brightest spark, are you. Just another muck-warrior with chip on shoulder.

Zebra3

John Doe1 wrote: »

Maybe we an sell dublin to norway or denmark or perhaps they can just rename it west britain and set up an independent nation.

:rolleyes:

Given how much Dublin subsidises the rest of the country, be very careful what you wish for.

G.muny

Never ever found this in Dublin and have lived here all my life, well aside from some slagging which has all been in good fun and not meant to be taken seriously. I always found it the other way around.

Was at a wedding in Clare recently and my boyfriend was told they didn't serve Jackeens at the bar for no reason, and they were deadly serious as well. We thought at first they must be joking but no.

Another time we went to Wicklow for a weekend and went to the pub for a few drinks. Didn't say anything to anyone, were midning our own buuisness but were followed out by a group of drunken morons who start shouting to go back to Dublin and threw a rock which hit me in the arm.

And just recently a group of girls from work went to Kerry and one of them was beaten up by a group of about 6 local girls for apprantly talking to her boyfriend and started on about her being from Dublin as well.

ProudDUB

John Doe1 wrote: »

After visiting Cork at the weekend, I think the capital should be moved there. Much more "irish" and so much friendlier than dublin. Maybe we an sell dublin to norway or denmark or perhaps they can just rename it west britain and set up an independent nation.

Nope. We need to remain the capital. We know how to use our capital letters in Dublin !

cournioni

I never really understood the obsession that people have with Dublin. Its night life is a bit ****, its not the most pleasant place to walk through and you have to deal with plenty of beggars and junkies if you do walk through it. It doesn't have much more than any other town or city in Ireland has.

Personally I prefer Belfast or Galway, city wise.

al28283

Downlinz wrote: »

This is exactly what I'm talking about, distancing yourself from sports for fear of having interest in something other counties will beat you in and anticipating "bragging" about it from others. Other counties don't care about Dublin people half as much as Dublin people care about them, thats the very core of insecurity.

:rolleyes:You seem to care.

KeithAFC

Dublin was at its best when it was part of the British Empire. People loved it back then from all accounts. Since then, it hasn't been as good and going from personal views today of people who live in Dublin, this seems to be the case.

A lot of people in Dublin don't seem to feel wanted by the rest of the Republic. It is a bit like Cork in many ways.

St.Spodo

cournioni wrote: »

I never really understood the obsession that people have with Dublin. Its night life is a bit ****, its not the most pleasant place to walk through and you have to deal with plenty of beggars and junkies if you do walk through it. It doesn't have much more than any other town or city in Ireland has.

Personally I prefer Belfast or Galway, city wise.

I've never had to deal with a junkie or a beggar on a night out in Dublin. Never once. Also, you're doing the nightlife wrong. Dublin is easily the best city in the country, will people ever just accept that and move on?

chucken1

KeithAFC wrote: »

Dublin was at its best when it was part of the British Empire. People loved it back then from all accounts. Since then, it hasn't been as good and going from personal views today of people who live in Dublin, this seems to be the case.

A lot of people in Dublin don't seem to feel wanted by the rest of the Republic. It is a bit like Cork in many ways.

You're not getting it back you know?

Burgo

KeithAFC wrote: »

Dublin was at its best when it was part of the British Empire. People loved it back then from all accounts. Since then, it hasn't been as good and going from personal views today of people who live in Dublin, this seems to be the case.

A lot of people in Dublin don't seem to feel wanted by the rest of the Republic. It is a bit like Cork in many ways.

TAKE THAT BACK.

as for the rest of your post I believe this will do :pac:

Mr Trade In

Look at it this way if the Brits had understood the Celtic language better we could be a crappy seaside/funfair destination.

Dublin = DubhLinn(Blackpool)

John Doe1

el diablo wrote: »

:rolleyes:

Not the brightest spark, are you. Just another muck-warrior with chip on shoulder.

"Muck warrior" you do realise dublin is actually not the centre of the universe right? My previous comment was actually tongue in cheek but you are paradigmatic of why i will be getting out of this city quicksharp after i get my degree

John Doe1

ProudDUB wrote: »

Nope. We need to remain the capital. We know how to use our capital letters in Dublin !

Thats your best retort? I used a capital for Cork though because it deserves it:)

pragmatic1

Dublin is alright. A bit ugly in places and some wannabe English things that annoy me, but its fairly friendly.

Belfast is better than any city in the republic though.

Toby Take a Bow

Snakeblood wrote: »

This thread is stupid though.

This thread might have seemed like it would be a stupid one, but some of the reactions kind of prove the OP's point.

Personally, I'm with you on the seeing people as people thing. I'm from Dublin, and don't really make much of where people are from, bar having a particular gra for particular accents.

I also like Cork, and could see myself living there if I got a job. Although last time I was there, I happened to call it a 'town' to a girl and got a long diatribe on how it was actually a 'city' (even after me telling her I'd describe Dublin as a 'town'). Seems like there are people with chips on their shoulder everywhere.

NinjaK

Downlinz wrote: »

It's a bizarre thing and only something thats maybe become really apparent in the last 10 years with so much social media and forums like this.

But my impression is Dubliners seem to really have a chip on their shoulder when it comes to anyone from any of the other 31 counties.

- They seem to dislike the national games because they're played more successfully elsewhere.

- Seem to have a genuine dislike of customs, accents and locations everywhere else in the country. I remember one Dublin guy on that TV3 show take me out saying he was hoping for a Dublin girl as he "dislikes the culchie accent". I was unaware all 31 counties and 5 million people shared the same dialect.

- Seem to dislike Irish made programs that aren't made in Dublin or programs in the Irish language, generally it seems to be more acceptable to watch British programming there than say something rural based like Kilnaskully.



I find it quite sad that a lot of people there don't seem to be able to have pride in their city or county and have to snipe through arrogance and igorance at everyone else hiding their own insecurities about where they live, not even at particular areas. Dublin people tend to regard the country as two zones "Dublin" and "the country" which is quite funny, I don't know anywhere else or any other country which would have people so narrow minded as that.
The fact that dublin has the highest emmigration rate in the country is probably testament to how much love its people has for it.

There's a lot of awesome things about Dublin IMO, it isn't warranted.

Its because the elite in Dublin arnt actually Irish

Sunnyisland

KeithAFC wrote: »

Dublin was at its best when it was part of the British Empire. People loved it back then from all accounts. Since then, it hasn't been as good and going from personal views today of people who live in Dublin, this seems to be the case.

A lot of people in Dublin don't seem to feel wanted by the rest of the Republic. It is a bit like Cork in many ways.

Ah keithAFC dont be picking on Dublin, Sure everything be all right when its the capital of your :country; to

Eve_Dublin

Katgurl wrote: »

I thunk main reason is that rest of the country are united(not to mention vocal) in their disdain for Dublin despite the fact they live here, so dubs tend to collectively label them culchies in defense.

Or maybe it is chicken and egg scenario.

It's a bleedin' joke! We're Jackeens, you're Cuilches...blah de blah blah. The ones who take this to heart tend not to be from Dublin in my own personal experience. Not to say all cuiches do or even the majority but I'm come across some people who get very upset about this. My ex was from "The Country" and I suspect he secretly hated me just because I was from Dublin. He'd always go off on a vicious tirade whenever he was pissed. Wasn't a pretty sight.

By the way, I'm from COUNTY Dublin and I'm called a cuilche too by inner city Dubs. Big bloody swing :rolleyes:

cournioni

St.Spodo wrote: »

I've never had to deal with a junkie or a beggar on a night out in Dublin. Never once. Also, you're doing the nightlife wrong. Dublin is easily the best city in the country, will people ever just accept that and move on?

Who said that you had to deal with junkies or beggars solely on a night out? I said that you have to deal with junkies and beggars and then I said that the night life is a bit crap.

There are far better pubs, restaurants and night clubs around the country than I've seen in Dublin. How exactly am I doing the night life wrong may I ask and how do you figure it is the best city in the country? What makes it better?

The_B_Man

I don't usually reply to posts like this, but I have work to do and I'm procrastinating!

Downlinz wrote: »

It's a bizarre thing and only something thats maybe become really apparent in the last 10 years with so much social media and forums like this.

But my impression is Dubliners seem to really have a chip on their shoulder when it comes to anyone from any of the other 31 counties.

Serious smell of chips coming from that sentence.
I shouldnt need to ask about the numerous concrete examples where this has been shown to be true?

- They seem to dislike the national games because they're played more successfully elsewhere.

Cant argue with that. Another excellently backed up point.
PS, wheres the Sam Maguire these days...?

- Seem to have a genuine dislike of customs, accents and locations everywhere else in the country. I remember one Dublin guy on that TV3 show take me out saying he was hoping for a Dublin girl as he "dislikes the culchie accent". I was unaware all 31 counties and 5 million people shared the same dialect.

Ah yes, that would be the King of Dublin, the elected representative of all us Dubs, who speaks for the million of us and tells us what to think.

Presumably you have more to back this point up than some gob****e on TV3???

- Seem to dislike Irish made programs that aren't made in Dublin or programs in the Irish language, generally it seems to be more acceptable to watch British programming there than say something rural based like Kilnaskully.

Killinaskully is ****e. So is Fair City. More importantly, so is Take Me Out!! WTF are you doing forming opinions from it anyway??

Also, I'll hazard a guess that nobody outside Dublin has a Sky dish? None of them watch English Soccer, and each and every single person outside Dublin speaks fluent Irish???

I find it quite sad that a lot of people there don't seem to be able to have pride in their city or county and have to snipe through arrogance and igorance at everyone else hiding their own insecurities about where they live, not even at particular areas. Dublin people tend to regard the country as two zones "Dublin" and "the country" which is quite funny, I don't know anywhere else or any other country which would have people so narrow minded as that.
The fact that dublin has the highest emmigration rate in the country is probably testament to how much love its people has for it.

There's a lot of awesome things about Dublin IMO, it isn't warranted.

I'd imagine wherever you're from being one example.

Re: Emmigration. Shame on us Dubs for having ambition, a sense of adventure, and a desire to have a better life through higher earning jobs elsewhere! For shame, Dubliners!!

You've basically made a post openly insulting every Dublin person as a whole, with the main "facts" backing up your argument coming from feckin' Take Me Out!

Its unfortunate you find it "sad" that people aren't proud of their county. How would they show pride anyway? By conceding every other county in Ireland is better than them? Or maybe try to show of the good points of their own town? It's a lose-lose situation for us Dubs to be honest.

I've lived outside Dublin for 5 years and travelled around a lot. I've been harassed in a lot of places based purely on the fact that I'm "ignorant" (a judgement that has been made without input from me). Presumably my problem is that I'm from The Pale Region?

I've also had mates openly admit to me how much they hate Dubs and how we hate the "country folk" and they've come out with the same ****e you have OP, like "Its only Dublin and everywhere else to THEM!". Utter bollix, with nothing but hearsay and "friends of friends" stories to back it up.

Dubs wouldn't give "country" people half as much abuse as "country" people would give us. Just because we don't discuss you as much as you discuss us, doesn't mean we hate you. OP, you are ignorant of your own country. Congrats.


PS, just out of curiosity OP, answer honestly, how old are you?

Hazys

lol at this thread.

Ireland is way way too small have any real diffferences in personality or culture between somebody from Dublin City (a tiny city in the world view) to a person living in a town in the west kerry with a population of 2,000 people.

The vast majority are white, catholic, have the same education, watch the same 4 TV channels, eat the same food, live in the same climate, speak the same lanuguage etc.


Imagine comparing somebody from NYC to somebody from a small town in Texas. They may not even speak the same language, be the same religion or race, have differing political views and live in entirely different climates. It'd be a larger culture shock for somebody from Dublin to move to NYC as opposed to that same person moving to Ennis.


At the end of the day, Culchies Vs Dublin knackers is small potatoes.

bodhrandude

Dublin people are insecure about where they live because the have to pay through the nose for everything, its bloody expensive.

al28283

bodhrandude wrote: »

Dublin people are insecure about where they live because the have to pay through the nose for everything, its bloody expensive.

This makes no sense

G.muny

Do people from the country genuinly believe we in Dublin go around complaining about them and talking about how great we are in comparsion? Like seriously? People honestly think that?

Have you ever been here? I mean the actual real hatred shown in this thread from anyone outside Dublin is baffling. I mean there are people openly insulting Dublin by the droves here and yet very few Dubs insulting anyone else just saying well actually thats not what its like here and where as I like other counties I prefer Dublin. Which there is nothing wrong with saying.

Why can't you just say ok fair enough I disagree other than "ITS ****!!!!"

Like I said earlier never met anyone here with a chip on their shoulder concerning other counties but have met many outside Dublin who were rude and violent towards me and others I know for being from Dublin.

So does anyone making these claims have any ACTUAL examples of when they were treated unfairly in Dublin or is it all just imaginary speculation?

Sunnyisland

I was born in Dublin and I am Certainly not insecure,






Well not really,maybe a small bit,just sometimes,it all depends,Its me own business.leave me alone.

later12

This thread is ridiculous.

Has nobody heard of the parochialism that characterises so much of rural Irish life?

I'm from Tipperary, to give you some examples

Ballingarry in South Tipperary: popularly characterised as being populated by madmen, hillmen, associated with claims of incest and belief in fairies. If you come from here you're probably going to get a ribbing about it.

Clonmel: has a name for being associated with scumbags and drug dealing, a fair amount of unemployment and some anti social behaviour.

Ditto for Fethard village.

On the other hand, landowners around Fethard/ Cashel and the more middle class Cashel residents are generally associated with a more pleasant socio-economic background.

These are just some small examples that I happen to be familiar with.

You will find similar examples within every burough, town, and city in Ireland and the United Kingdom from Lahinch to London city.

I have never encountered any place in these islands where some locals willnot be defensive about their area. They will knock people from other, neighbouring districts. Sometimes, if it is a bad area, these people may try to distance themselves from aspects of its identity.

Why the OP is singling out Dublin residents for this is something I don't really understand.

Liam Byrne

Sasko wrote:

his is generally because any accent from outside Dublin IS viewed as a country accent, appart from the nordie accents.

And this, I think, is precisely what the OP is on about. The accents for the other cities aren't "country accents", because they're city accents, and there is no uniform "country accent" anyway, because there's as much of a difference between Cork, Waherfurd, Galway, Kilkenny or Limerick accents as there is between those and de Dub accent.

It does indeed seem like Dublin cannot bear to acknowledge the other cities, maybe for fear that it would somehow undermine some fictional status as "Ireland's only real city".

The_B_Man

Liam Byrne wrote: »

It does indeed seem like Dublin cannot bear to acknowledge the other cities, maybe for fear that it would somehow undermine some fictional status as "Ireland's only real city".

How does it seem that way?

starviewadams

M'eh.

I'm not insecure about being from Dublin,and neither are any of my mates or people I work with.

If people think we are,more power to them!

G.muny

Liam Byrne wrote: »

And this, I think, is precisely what the OP is on about. The accents for the other cities aren't "country accents", because they're city accents, and there is no uniform "country accent" anyway, because there's as much of a difference between Cork, Waherfurd, Galway, Kilkenny or Limerick accents as there is between those and de Dub accent.

It does indeed seem like Dublin cannot bear to acknowledge the other cities, maybe for fear that it would somehow undermine some fictional status as "Ireland's only real city".

Anyone I know when talking about accents just uses the county where the accent is from when refering to it. Such as a "Cork accent" etc. Never heard anyone refer to anyones accent as a country accent ever and only time I have heard anyone refer to a city accent is probaly Dubs themselves that live in the suburbs referring to the "townie accent" of people here that live in the city and even then they never call it "a city accent"

stupidusername

later10 wrote: »

Clonmel: has a name for being associated with scumbags and drug dealing, a fair amount of unemployment and some anti social behaviour.

Ixnay on the ugsdray

Liam Byrne

The_B_Man wrote: »

Liam Byrne wrote: »

It does indeed seem like Dublin cannot bear to acknowledge the other cities, maybe for fear that it would somehow undermine some fictional status as "Ireland's only real city".

How does it seem that way?

Well explain the refusal to accept the other cities then ? Explain the phrase "down the country" when referring to other cities, or referring to places "up" the country (further north) from Dublin ?

The_B_Man

Liam Byrne wrote: »

Well explain the refusal to accept the other cities then ?

What refusal? Where are you getting this from?

starviewadams

Liam Byrne wrote: »

Well explain the refusal to accept the other cities then ? Explain the phrase "down the country" when referring to other cities, or referring to places "up" the country (further north) from Dublin ?

I think that's just a well used phrase that most of us have picked up from friends/family, and say without even conciously thinking about it.

I've no problem with Galway City,Limerick City,Waterford City or any other city that isn't Dublin!

later12

Liam Byrne wrote: »

Well explain the refusal to accept the other cities then ?

You speak about the other cities like they're a jewish guy confronting his parents about his marriage to an african american evangelist named Larry.

It's not a matter of accepting or rejecting them.

What do you want the people of Dublin to do, come out en masse to affirm their recognition of other cities?

I'm pretty sure nobody really thinks about it...

super_furry

Ballingarry sounds great.

charlemont

Its just not Dubliners alone its common throughout the country, Infact I find Dubliners care less of a **** about where someone comes from.

Liam Byrne

The_B_Man wrote: »

Liam Byrne wrote: »

Well explain the refusal to accept the other cities then ?

What refusal? Where are you getting this from?

There's one perfect example within Sasko's post above, anyway, viewing non-Dub accents as "country" accents when many of them are clearly not.

Sir Oxman

Hazys wrote: »

It'd be a larger culture shock for somebody from Dublin to move to NYC as opposed to that same person moving to Ennis.

I'm not so sure about that one...:D

darlett

haydar wrote: »

As a meath man i am supposed to hate dubs. And i do but only for the seventy minutes of a football match. Then i go back to hating everyone equally again.

Especially Kerry fans:D

As another Meath man, I do 'hate' the Dublin team*. But conversely the banter and craic had with the Dublin set of fans is just the best. I've found the atmosphere with some of the teams not used to playing at Croker can be lousy, the occasion can generally be taken too serious and humour is left behind in favour of an overly agressive support. I dont want to name counties Ive found that with beyond that outline. Not suggesting all Dub fans are saintly but I enjoy the give and take vibe.


*Was still delighted to see Donegals style of football beaten.

Also I'd like to say Ive never met anyone I thought was fully wise who liked killnaskully or that unfunny prick whose comic genius peaked when he wore a shirt about shooting JR. I digress.

When I saw this thread I was hoping for something subtle to gently take the piss out of Dubs and annoy a few overly sensitive posters! It was just total lameness though. Cant we do better? Not even any sarky comments about Aslan been ****e, or Ciaran Whelan is a knacker. :pac: Might as well have said Dubs smell.

St.Spodo

cournioni wrote: »

Who said that you had to deal with junkies or beggars solely on a night out? I said that you have to deal with junkies and beggars and then I said that the night life is a bit crap.

There are far better pubs, restaurants and night clubs around the country than I've seen in Dublin. How exactly am I doing the night life wrong may I ask and how do you figure it is the best city in the country? What makes it better?

I completely disagree about the night clubs and pubs but then, I am inclined to assume you're a bit older than me and would, as a consequence, have different criteria. For what I would look for in a night out, Dublin caters for. With this in mind, I'd be hard-pressed to find bars/clubs which would be more suitable for me and people of my age.

Also, I go to college in Dublin city and thankfully, have never had one experience with these junkies/beggars. Weak argument.

somefeen

I regard accents from Kildare, Wicklow, West Meath and Dundalk as Dublin accents. Dublin doesn't stop until you get to Wexford.

Im from Cork, maybe we're worse than the Dubs?

kthnxbai

somefeen wrote: »

I regard accents from Kildare, Wicklow, West Meath and Dundalk as Dublin accents. Dublin doesn't stop until you get to Wexford.

Im from Cork, maybe we're worse than the Dubs?

Lol...

So you're saying that the Mullingar accent is the same as a Dublin accent?

Though I do see what you're getting at. I would say that some/most people from Kildare, parts of Meath, Wicklow etc have generic Leinster accents... I can definitely notice a difference between those accents and actual Dublin ones... But then I'm from Dublin, so I would...

EDIT:
lolololol

Only just saw the Dundalk bit now...

For realsies? You think a Dundalk accent is the same as a Dublin accent?! If anything it's closer to a North/Cavan type accent than it is to a Dublin accent...

el diablo

somefeen wrote: »

I regard accents from Kildare, Wicklow, West Meath and Dundalk as Dublin accents. Dublin doesn't stop until you get to Wexford.

Im from Cork, maybe we're worse than the Dubs?

Definitely one of the most ridiculous post I've ever read on boards.ie.

teaandtoast

Cork should be the capital not Dublin.

I know few sincere, intelligent dublin people who know how to use their heads. They seemed to be assuming and judging people by just looking at them! It's like they have not learned how to think for themselves, they are all about rules and fail to see much of the bigger picture.
I met some older dublin people, they are very different to the many of the younger people I encountered. They are very approacable and have a good sense of humour.
I believe it's the people that make a place like it takes good people to make a house a home - the foundations and how it's like.

Sunnyisland

el diablo wrote: »

Definitely one of the most ridiculous post I've ever read on boards.ie.

teaandtoast wrote: »

Cork should be the capital not Dublin.

I know few sincere, intelligent dublin people who know how to use their heads. They seemed to be assuming and judging people by just looking at them! It's like they have not learned how to think for themselves, they are all about rules and fail to see much of the bigger picture.
I met some older dublin people, they are very different to the many of the younger people I encountered. They are very approacable and have a good sense of humour.
I believe it's the people that make a place like it takes good people to make a house a home - the foundations and how it's like.

As above in Bold :rolleyes::rolleyes:

Sunnyisland

kthnxbai wrote: »

Lol...

So you're saying that the Mullingar accent is the same as a Dublin accent?

Though I do see what you're getting at. I would say that some/most people from Kildare, parts of Meath, Wicklow etc have generic Leinster accents... I can definitely notice a difference between those accents and actual Dublin ones... But then I'm from Dublin, so I would...

EDIT:
lolololol

Only just saw the Dundalk bit now...

For realsies? You think a Dundalk accent is the same as a Dublin accent?! If anything it's closer to a North/Cavan type accent than it is to a Dublin accent...

You called :P

teaandtoast

Another thing I noticed is that from my experiences I met very few honest Dublin people. Why don't they ever mean what they say and say what they mean. You rarely get what you see.

teaandtoast

Many Dublin people are very different almost foreign when you compare them to Cork or Donegal or Galway people.

Nodin

Downlinz wrote: »

It's a bizarre thing and only something thats maybe become really apparent in the last 10 years with so much social media and forums like this.

But my impression is Dubliners seem to really have a chip on their shoulder when it comes to anyone from any of the other 31 counties.

- They seem to dislike the national games because they're played more successfully elsewhere.

- Seem to have a genuine dislike of customs, accents and locations everywhere else in the country. I remember one Dublin guy on that TV3 show take me out saying he was hoping for a Dublin girl as he "dislikes the culchie accent". I was unaware all 31 counties and 5 million people shared the same dialect.

- Seem to dislike Irish made programs that aren't made in Dublin or programs in the Irish language, generally it seems to be more acceptable to watch British programming there than say something rural based like Kilnaskully.



I find it quite sad that a lot of people there don't seem to be able to have pride in their city or county and have to snipe through arrogance and igorance at everyone else hiding their own insecurities about where they live, not even at particular areas. Dublin people tend to regard the country as two zones "Dublin" and "the country" which is quite funny, I don't know anywhere else or any other country which would have people so narrow minded as that.
The fact that dublin has the highest emmigration rate in the country is probably testament to how much love its people has for it.

There's a lot of awesome things about Dublin IMO, it isn't warranted.

Had you inserted "some" before "seem" you would have been better off.