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doncarlos

stovelid wrote: »

An amazing invention called competent stewarding might have meant that hundreds of supporters were not left exposed beside the main stand while the locals threw bottles down.

We're these magic bottles that can pass through solid objects?? :rolleyes:

Only those rovers fans acting like scumbags had bottles thrown at them by Dundalk scumbags.

bohsboy

stovelid wrote: »

Why has there been so few incidents of note at Tallaght but this sort of thing happens regularly at away games. It's the same people at both matches?

Historically, problem "fans" with teams cause more trouble away from home. Big booze up on the bus or train to the destination, the once a year visit to a far away ground, terracing as opposed to seating.

Home security will pick up on a problem child who's been acting up at every home game every second week.

bohsboy

OhNoYouDidn't wrote: »

A fair point.

Do you think the Connaught stand is fit for puropse and we should be put there?

Yes or no.

No, its a horrendous kip.

No one would want to put anyone over there but fans have to be segregated at certain games.

Boycott if you want but I don't think things are going to get any better for a while yet.

OhNoYouDidn't

bohsboy wrote: »

No, its a horrendous kip.

No one would want to put anyone over there but fans have to be segregated at certain games.

Boycott if you want but I don't think things are going to get any better for a while yet.

But why are we segregated differently to other clubs, like Pats and Dundalk?

The point we are making is thretening you with losing €200,000 might be the only way to get some lightbulbs replaced.

doncarlos

OhNoYouDidn't wrote: »

In Pats or Bohs case its 3,000 fans, so €180,000 per year.

In bold is actually fair enough. But you need us FAR more than we need you.

You bring 3000 fans to Dundalk and I'm sure Gerry Matthews would roll out the red carpet for you!

We don't need you that's the point. Yes the money comes in handy but we would easily survive without Rovers gates. The attraction from Rovers with the home fans alone boosts gates. In fact if there we're no Rovers fans at the game more people would brings kids. This isn't just a pop at Rovers fans as Rovers seems to be a draw for the local scum out of the woodwork too.

OhNoYouDidn't

doncarlos wrote: »

This incident was sparked by Michael O'Neill trying to get over to the (already incensed due to a few decisions that went against them) Rovers fans to applaud them.
The Rovers fans charged and knocked down a fence (Yes I know it wasn't very secure before you say it) and entered a bufferzone that was keeping the two sets of fans apart. It is impossible to throw a bottle from the stand into the away section due to Glass panels at the side of the stand.

The bottles been thrown were scumbag acts of the highest order and thankfully no rovers fans were hurt even if they were acting like hooligans.

Managers applaud fans all the time.

Bar managers at clubs do not get involved with managers all the time.

In my time following Rovers only twice have I seen a manager manhandled by officers of the home club. In Dundalk last year and in Dalymount a few years back.

I'm sure you can join those dots yourself.

bohsboy

OhNoYouDidn't wrote: »

But why are we segregated differently to other clubs, like Pats and Dundalk?

The point we are making is thretening you with losing €200,000 might be the only way to get some lightbulbs replaced.

Becuase if the fans from both sides were within touching distance there would be murder. Its also a Garda security issue.

Boycott if you wish, but I doubt many will.

stovelid

bohsboy wrote: »

Historically, problem "fans" with teams cause more trouble away from home.

You can understand the point though surely. Each club (including us) has to do whatever is possible to try and prevent trouble. Especially with a club with the size of our away support.

That's the point here: not who has the worst support.

bohsboy wrote: »

Becuase if the fans from both sides were within touching distance there would be murder.

They are in Tallaght as you know - albeit with a block of seats - and the departure route (if not the gates) of most of the supporters is the same.

@doncarlos: bottles definitely came over. Who said they had to come from the upper part of the stand?

AgileMyth

OhNoYouDidn't wrote: »

This thread isn't about whether Rovers are naughty or nice. Its about us spending a small fortune, as said before more than some entire LoI club budgets, on matchday costs in Tallaght making the place safe and comfortable for away fans.

Thought it was about last weekends fixtures?

Maybe time it was closed:D

doncarlos

stovelid wrote: »

@doncarlos: bottles definitely came over. Who said they had to come from the upper part of the stand?

Where did the bottles come from? I know bottles where thrown by our own fans towards the bufferzone that Rovers fans had entered as it has been reported on our forum and other fora but there is no way that the bottles could have been thrown by Dundalk fans into the away terrace without deifying the laws of physics.

Firstly the stewards and guards are to blame for Rovers fans acting like hooligans and now its imaginary bottles. At some stage Rovers fans need to put their hands up and take responsibility.

Why are there no Derry fans on here crying that their fans are not treated right? Derry travel in big numbers too, in fact plenty of times Derry brought bigger crowds to Oriel than Rovers.

stovelid

doncarlos wrote: »

Why are there no Derry fans on here crying that their fans are not treated right? Derry travel in big numbers too, in fact plenty of times Derry brought bigger crowds to Oriel than Rovers.

The amount of dislike toward Rovers generally often translates to a turnout of local knackers or the club's own element.

So while some Rovers supporters are often partially repsonsible, that's all that's focused on.

So you get hand-wringing about Rovers supporter heading toward the hone end at richmond but zero comment about the exact same thing by Pats supporters the year before. You get all sorts of comment about us up in Sligo, but none about our family supporter buses being bricked up there on a regular basis or the unsafe crowding outside. You get comments about us in Oriel but nothing about your own supporters being arrested or waiting for us outside the ground. Ditto comments about scum but nothing about our manager being refused entry to the main stand of a rival ground or getting spat on by a rival supporter in another club's bar. etc etc.

bohsman

OhNoYouDidn't wrote: »

But why are we segregated differently to other clubs, like Pats and Dundalk?

The point we are making is thretening you with losing €200,000 might be the only way to get some lightbulbs replaced.

Not sure why Fitzgibbon St are going to be worried about Bohs losing 200k.

OhNoYouDidn't

bohsman wrote: »

Not sure why Fitzgibbon St are going to be worried about Bohs losing 200k.

But its up to YOU to have a working relationship with the local cops. Every other club does. The tail is wagging the dog there, and has been for far too long.

TheBigLebowski

doncarlos wrote: »

Where did the bottles come from? I know bottles where thrown by our own fans towards the bufferzone that Rovers fans had entered as it has been reported on our forum and other fora but there is no way that the bottles could have been thrown by Dundalk fans into the away terrace without deifying the laws of physics.

Not getting into a debate about whether bottles were or were not thrown but if a person were at the front row of the stand. They could quite easily lob a bottle into the away section (without defying physics).

bohsman

OhNoYouDidn't wrote: »

But its up to YOU to have a working relationship with the local cops. Every other club does. The tail is wagging the dog there, and has been for far too long.

You reap what you sow.

Hi Fitz St, we would like to accomodate Rovers fans more.

Hang on a minute, they have caused 3 major incidents in Dalymount in the last 12 or so years, there's no way we are easing segretation.

Oh Ok then.

bohsboy

stovelid wrote: »

nothing about our manager being refused entry to the main stand of a rival ground or getting spat on by a rival supporter in another club's bar. etc etc.

Heard about O'Neill getting spat on in the bar.

Dreadful.

OhNoYouDidn't

bohsman wrote: »

You reap what you sow.

Hi Fitz St, we would like to accomodate Rovers fans more.

Hang on a minute, they have caused 3 major incidents in Dalymount in the last 12 or so years, there's no way we are easing segretation.

Oh Ok then.

Well then if your ground is not capable of hosting a major game that requires segregation in the manner demanded by the Gardaí, the game should be moved to one that can.

Again, up to you to manage properly.

bohsman

OhNoYouDidn't wrote: »

Well then if your ground is not capable of hosting a major game that requires segregation in the manner demanded by the Gardaí, the game should be moved to one that can.

Again, up to you to manage properly.

Of course it is, to hell or to connaught st. Fans that can behave can have the shed, Rovers have proved that they cant behave.

CiaranC

OhNoYouDidn't wrote: »

Well then if your ground is not capable of hosting a major game that requires segregation in the manner demanded by the Gardaí, the game should be moved to one that can.

Again, up to you to manage properly.

Agreed, time to move that fixture to Tolka. Dalymount is a deathtrap.

Zebra3

It's not that long ago Rovers were grateful to be able to use Dalyer for their home games...... :rolleyes:

Gavin "shels"

OhNoYouDidn't wrote: »

Well then if your ground is not capable of hosting a major game that requires segregation in the manner demanded by the Gardaí, the game should be moved to one that can.

Again, up to you to manage properly.

Like Tallaght?
http://www.herald.ie/national-news/city-news/gardai-hunt-football-thugs-in-brutal-luas-attack-on-rival-fans-2058612.html

Gavin "shels"

CiaranC wrote: »

Agreed, time to move that fixture to Tolka. Dalymount is a deathtrap.

Yous are grand, we like having seats left in Tolka tbh.

stovelid

Gavin shels wrote: »

Like Tallaght?
http://www.herald.ie/national-news/city-news/gardai-hunt-football-thugs-in-brutal-luas-attack-on-rival-fans-2058612.html

You do know that station is a mile or two from the stadium and as such has little bearing on stadium stewarding and security?

Gavin shels wrote: »

Yous are grand, we like having seats left in Tolka tbh.

Because we don't have to stump up constantly for broken seats in Tallaght? Not that you'd know as you have to rely on the odd friendly and egg-cup tie to actually get into the away section.

doncarlos

stovelid wrote: »

The amount of dislike toward Rovers generally often translates to a turnout of local knackers or the club's own element.

Fair point and would agree 100%

stovelid wrote: »

So while some Rovers supporters are often partially repsonsible, that's all that's focused on.

Would agree that on some occasions Rovers fans are only partially responsible but sometimes they are fully responsible but Rovers fans nor your board ever admit this.
It is ALWAYS someone else's fault and Rovers fans are the victims

stovelid wrote: »

So you get hand-wringing about Rovers supporter heading toward the hone end at richmond but zero comment about the exact same thing by Pats supporters the year before. You get all sorts of comment about us up in Sligo, but none about our family supporter buses being bricked up there on a regular basis or the unsafe crowding outside. You get comments about us in Oriel but nothing about your own supporters being arrested or waiting for us outside the ground. Ditto comments about scum but nothing about our manager being refused entry to the main stand of a rival ground or getting spat on by a rival supporter in another club's bar. etc etc.

Who is hand-wringing?? Any negative stories about Rovers reflect bad on not only the club but the league as a whole.
You brought up a number of incidents there some I've heard of and some I haven't. There are probably hundreds more that have happened in recent times that have gone unreported.
The incidents I assume you are referring to about Oriel was the first division game when Rovers were ambushed outside the game at the petrol station? Plenty of things could have been done to prevent that but the blame solely lies with the scumbags that waiting to attack the Rovers fans and I think you'd do well to find any Dundalk fan who would try and defend them.

Gavin "shels"

stovelid wrote: »

You do know that station is a mile or two from the stadium and as such has little bearing on stadium stewarding and security?

Well aware stovelid, on that luas twice a day going to and from college and it may be a mile or two but it's 5 mins on the Luas! I'm sure better communication between Rovers and the guards could have prevented this, just like last season when Bohs played in Tolka 3 Paddywagons full of guards "escorted" the Bohs lads back up towards Dorset St to avoid any incidents.

Either way I'm just merely pointing it out and anyway incidents away from stadiums never stopped your chairman or your fans voicing their views on the radio about the attacks on buses with Shams fans on them down at Dorset St when yous played in Tolka.

doncarlos

TheBigLebowski wrote: »

Not getting into a debate about whether bottles were or were not thrown but if a person were at the front row of the stand. They could quite easily lob a bottle into the away section (without defying physics).

Yes definitely. Those sitting in the front row or two probably could lob a bottle into the away section. The front few rows are reserved for away fans though so it would be unlikely that a bottle would have come from here

S.R.F.C.

Where are the mods in all this or do they avoid LOI threads? This **** is tiresome and annoying, this was a thread on the first weekend back of League action and has turned into name-calling and digging up of stories from a 1/2/3 and more years ago.

On a side not, Rovers lads on here i don't know why you bother replying to half this crap either. Let them think what they want.

TheBigLebowski

doncarlos wrote: »

Yes definitely. Those sitting in the front row or two probably could lob a bottle into the away section. The front few rows are reserved for away fans though so it would be unlikely that a bottle would have come from here

Maybe it came from the dugout?:eek:

doncarlos

S.R.F.C. wrote: »

Where are the mods in all this or do they avoid LOI threads? This **** is tiresome and annoying, this was a thread on the first weekend back of League action and has turned into name-calling and digging up of stories from a 1/2/3 and more years ago.

On a side not, Rovers lads on here i don't know why you bother replying to half this crap either. Let them think what they want.

I don't see what the problem is, nobody is getting nasty and both sides are making a good effort to getting their point across. Anyhow OhNoYouDidn't, stovelid and CiaranC are good posters and well able to handle themselves.

Zebra3

S.R.F.C. wrote: »

Where are the mods in all this or do they avoid LOI threads? This **** is tiresome and annoying,

You're right, all this crap about how other clubs would go out of existence if it wasn't for all those angelic Rovers fans who turn up at away grounds. :rolleyes:

CiaranC

Zebra3 wrote: »

You're right, all this crap about how other clubs would go out of existence if it wasn't for all those angelic Rovers fans who turn up at away grounds. :rolleyes:

If that chip on your shoulder gets any bigger it'll topple you right over

ShamoBuc

CiaranC wrote: »

If that chip on your shoulder gets any bigger it'll topple you right over

probably has one for the other shoulder for Equilibrium purposes;)

S.R.F.C.

doncarlos wrote: »

I don't see what the problem is, nobody is getting nasty and both sides are making a good effort to getting their point across. Anyhow OhNoYouDidn't, stovelid and CiaranC are good posters and well able to handle themselves.

Genuinely don't know if you're taking the piss or not.

If you're not, the problem is that it's completely irrelevant and clearly is going no where.

antomorro-sei

You lot still banging on about this? :pac:

Zebra3

CiaranC wrote: »

If that chip on your shoulder gets any bigger it'll topple you right over

Way to ignore my point. :rolleyes:

OhNoYouDidn't

Zebra3 wrote: »

Way to ignore my point. :rolleyes:

What point? That you made or of your club?

It was only a matter of time before the Shels fans decided to wade in. Feeling left out lads? This discussion is relevent to fans of the larger PD clubs only.

OhNoYouDidn't

Zebra3 wrote: »

You're right, all this crap about how other clubs would go out of existence if it wasn't for all those angelic Rovers fans who turn up at away grounds. :rolleyes:

Who said that?

We are simply saying we are sick of carrying other clubs off the park. Sell your own tickets and stop blaming us when your sub par matchday arrangements go south

Gavin "shels"

OhNoYouDidn't wrote: »

It was only a matter of time before the Shels fans decided to wade in. Feeling left out lads?

F*ck, I could have sworn this is a public message board, best be off so!:rolleyes:

doncarlos

S.R.F.C. wrote: »

Genuinely don't know if you're taking the piss or not.

If you're not, the problem is that it's completely irrelevant and clearly is going no where.

Wait a minute, Rovers fans brought up that they would no longer be handling match day arrangements for away games and fans from other clubs responded to it.

If these posts were about Bohs you wouldn't be so quick to be asking to have the thread locked.

bohsboy

doncarlos wrote: »

Wait a minute, Rovers fans brought up that they would no longer be handling match day arrangements for away games and fans from other clubs responded to it.

If these posts were about Bohs you wouldn't be so quick to be asking to have the thread locked.

Well said. Typical double standards. Great at dishing it out, dreadful at taking it.