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  • 03-03-2011 4:41pm
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    Registered Users Posts: 40,038 ✭✭✭✭


    Well, if herself indoors can do this, I guess I can try it as well :)

    So first off, the why and the what:
    So the belly has to go, that much is a given. It’s putting my balance off and the low cardio fitness isn’t helping either. So a while back I joined the gym in the National Aquatic Centre (it’s on the way to work) and I’ve been trying to get there every morning since. For various reasons, my routine didn’t really take hold until recently, but for the last fortnight or so, I’ve been keeping the routine up reasonably well. It’s a simple enough gym programme – I come in, I stretch the quads a bit until I feel the muscles around the knees straighten out and hear my left hip pop (yeah, it feels as wierd as it sounds…)

    quad_stretch.jpg

    then do 30 minutes on the elliptical trainer at 60-70rpm,

    Pulse fitness 280G Fusion 'X-Train' elliptical trainer

    then sit seiza for a few minutes to let my heartrate come down,

    seiza.gif

    then do a yoga stretch (the cobra, for anyone who’s interested, though I keep my toes pointed forwards and push my hips forward in the stretch to get right at the small of the back) for my back

    cobra.jpg
    Author may not look anywhere near as dignified as this while doing this pose...

    and some basic warmup stretches from the aikido days.

    legstretch.jpg
    cross-leg-stretch3b.jpg
    Yes, you look odd doing this. But it's the best stretch for the hips and quads that I know of.

    All told, takes about an hour from walking in the front door to walking out the front door (you have to remember to shower and change or your workmates will kill you…). And here’s the fun bit – all the machines in the gym are rigged with smartcards and sensors (and I wear a heartbeat sensor strap while training) and they collate all the data for you and give you these lovely reports so you can tell if you’ve made progress or not…

    Yearly250211graph_b.jpg

    (There are odd data points there from the introductory session and two sessions where I forgot the heartrate sensor strap).

    It’s a bit clearer over the last month or so:

    Monthly250211graph_b-800x376.jpg

    After the routine finally kicked in, the max heartrate in the sessions has fallen steadily, as has the average heartrate (ie. I’ve increased my cardiovascular fitness).

    Who says graphs can’t motivate you? :D

    Yesterday saw a heartrate spike of 200 on the graph (I don't remember seeing it at the time!) and for the first time since the aikido days, I was resting my elbows on the ground during the leg stretches while stretching forward, so that was nice.

    Weight remaining static at 267 though, which isn't so encouraging :(

    This is the weight graph from the last five years, all values measured at the same time of day, the same way, the same point in my daily routine:

    graph.php?n=1&uid=2&tid=1&t=1&l=1&w=1024&h=256

    The low point was while on Atkins (as was the nosedive just before it); the rebound was... well, not fun :D

    As to the goal, I have to buy a new shooting jacket this year.

    schiessjacke_monaco_subratex.jpg

    I have to be at a sensible weight for that to happen - the jackets can't really be adjusted for size as they're made of synthetic material (or canvas for the older ones); so I need a weight and body shape that will let me shoot and won't stop me cooking dishes from the cooking club :D

    I would love to be down around 220lb; I'll settle for the 230-240lb range to buy the jacket (can't buy one now and one later, these things are €600 a pop). So there's basic calorie counting going on at the moment (according to g'em, I can eat 2860 calories a day and lose weight, so I keep a rough eye on what I'm eating (I'm not going nuts on it, I don't keep a food diary for example, but I've kept within that limit for the last week or two easily enough).

    The other requirements from the gym are possibly a bit odd - shooting is a sport where balance and fine muscle control is far more important than speed or strength or even endurance. I need good flexibility and could use good cardio fitness for the shooting; I don't need big muscles in the same way that I don't need broken fingers (though g'em tells me I'm being silly and should lift some weights anyways, so that'll wind up in the programme soon enough).

    Now, if I can just keep on waking up early enough to get to the gym and keep on avoiding the grande vanilla latte's at work....


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  • Registered Users Posts: 40,038 ✭✭✭✭Sparks


    267.0 on the scales this morning. 0.2lb up on yesterday. Boo.
    35 mins on the x-trainer. 5mins up on yesterday. Hooray.


  • Registered Users Posts: 40,038 ✭✭✭✭Sparks


    Early start at work so no gym for me today. Weight was down (265.6), but I don't trust that scales. Sitting there, mocking me quietly ...

    There may be a new scales bought soon. More respectful scales, that don't give you three different weights ten pounds apart on three different uses within a minute...


  • Registered Users Posts: 40,038 ✭✭✭✭Sparks


    264.8 on the scales this morning, so they’re forgiven. 366cal/35min on the elliptical. Plan is to hit 259lb by Saturday…


  • Registered Users Posts: 40,038 ✭✭✭✭Sparks


    Early meeting + oversleeping = no gym. 264.8 again on the scales this morning. Harumph.


  • Registered Users Posts: 830 ✭✭✭mrpink6789


    Hey Sparks,

    Is your head not fried weighing yourself every day? I found when I was trying to drop weight and weighed myself every day my head would be melted! Each to their own obviously but my advice would be to weigh yourself once a week at the same time!

    Ger


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  • Registered Users Posts: 40,038 ✭✭✭✭Sparks


    Naw, it's become a habit, part of the daily routine. And I'm an engineer, we love data. And I ignore daily spikes and look at week-long trends instead (regression/rolling average curves being easy to set up in a spreadsheet). Still, images like this in the weight graph are kindof encouraging :)

    attachment.php?attachmentid=150845&stc=1&d=1299590613


  • Registered Users Posts: 830 ✭✭✭mrpink6789


    haha now the graphs on your log make sense :)


  • Registered Users Posts: 40,038 ✭✭✭✭Sparks


    Yeah, the one on the blog goes back to 2006 in a very few pixels though, some coding required to fix that...
    chart?chs=160x120&chd=t:29.9,29.8,29.6,32.1,36.2,43.0,38.3,33.2,30.7,34.6,28.5,59.8,38.0,42.3,32.4,25.1,16.6,6.7,35.8,73.2,64.2,96.1,92.8,94.2,92.8,90.9,88.8,80.9,81.5,81.8,82.4,81.6,82.6,85.8,95.5,92.6,87.2,91.7,92.3,90.4|35.5,35.0,34.4,34.1,34.4,35.3,35.5,35.3,34.7,34.7,34.1,36.6,36.6,37.2,36.6,35.5,33.6,30.8,31.3,35.5,38.3,44.2,48.9,53.4,57.3,60.7,63.5,65.1,66.8,68.2,69.6,70.7,71.8,73.2,75.5,77.2,78.3,79.7,81.1,81.9&cht=lc&chxt=x,y&chxl=0:|12.01.06|08.03.11|1:|236.4|254.8|272.2&&chco=FF0000,00dd00
    Because you can't make out very much otherwise...

    Besides, there are more useful graphs:
    20110302_005a.jpg

    20110303_001a.jpg


  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 21,266 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    Sparks wrote: »
    Naw, it's become a habit, part of the daily routine. And I'm an engineer, we love data. And I ignore daily spikes and look at week-long trends instead (regression/rolling average curves being easy to set up in a spreadsheet). Still, images like this in the weight graph are kindof encouraging :)

    attachment.php?attachmentid=150845&stc=1&d=1299590613

    IMHO weighing yourself every day can be counter productive. I found that there was no better motivation than weighing myself once a week. It smooths out any anomolies that can be caused by hydration levels, bowel movements etc. As a fellow engineer I would agree data is great, but there is nothing worse than a noisy trend chart, it leads to a tendancy to over analyse the data and come up with inaccurate conclusions.

    I see in your earlier posts some days you were up by 0.2 of a pound one day, that kind of data point should be ignored I reckon. If I were you I would pick a day, say Monday and use that to plot your chart.

    To give you a frame of reference, around 2005 I went from 18stone to 14st 6 in 12 months. I found the weekly weigh ins great motivation.

    Anyway tis up to yourself, just though I would throw in my 2c.

    they/them/theirs


    And so on, and so on …. - Slavoj Žižek




  • Registered Users Posts: 40,038 ✭✭✭✭Sparks


    But if your weight fluctuates over a 24-hour period, and varys day-to-day, then your motivation is based on a single sample point being okay, which isn't any more likely than any other single sample point being okay.

    Me, I watch the trends and ignore the noise in the signal; I'm not saying you're wrong, it obviously works for you and many others, but I can't silence that part of my head that says that if individual data points are suspect, only long-term trends spotted with lots of measurements (each made the same way, wearing the same clothes, at the same time in the daily routine) can be trusted. It's not that I feel I can't trust the trend if I miss a measurement - it's that I feel if I don't have five or so measurements during a week, I don't really know if I lost weight that week or if I had a noise spike on the single day I weighted myself, if you follow me.


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  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 21,266 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    Sparks wrote: »
    But if your weight fluctuates over a 24-hour period, and varys day-to-day, then your motivation is based on a single sample point being okay, which isn't any more likely than any other single sample point being okay.

    Ahh but you see, your weekly data point is much more likely to be down than your daily data point because of the day-to-day fluctuation if you keep your calorie deficet constant, it lessens the effect of rogue elements such as hydration levels.
    Sparks wrote: »
    Me, I watch the trends and ignore the noise in the signal; I'm not saying you're wrong, it obviously works for you and many others, but I can't silence that part of my head that says that if individual data points are suspect, only long-term trends spotted with lots of measurements (each made the same way, wearing the same clothes, at the same time in the daily routine) can be trusted. It's not that I feel I can't trust the trend if I miss a measurement - it's that I feel if I don't have five or so measurements during a week, I don't really know if I lost weight that week or if I had a noise spike on the single day I weighted myself, if you follow me.

    I see where you're coming from alright, if it's what works then go with it. I just wanted to throw in my 2c, as someone who went through what you are about to.

    I would say though, if you are going to weigh yourself every day then eliminate as many variable as you can. Pick a time of day, preferably one where you are going to be naked and weigh yourself then. This takes out the variable of clothing and reduces the impact of hydration level.

    I only replyed to this post as I thought you might be over analysing this, but look what I've done!

    they/them/theirs


    And so on, and so on …. - Slavoj Žižek




  • Registered Users Posts: 40,038 ✭✭✭✭Sparks


    I would say though, if you are going to weigh yourself every day then eliminate as many variable as you can. Pick a time of day, preferably one where you are going to be naked and weigh yourself then. This takes out the variable of clothing and reduces the impact of hydration level.
    Yup, that's how it gets done. All the data points on the graph going back to 2006 were/are measured in the same clothing - boxers, for those sick folks wondering :D - at the same time in the morning, at the same point in my daily routine when my hydration levels are at approximately the same level (and let's not translate that for the sake of those trying to eat lunch).

    I just didn't want to inflict the mental image on everyone :D
    I only replyed to this post as I thought you might be over analysing this, but look what I've done!
    Funny thing is, this isn't me over-analysing. I've seen that. It wasn't pretty :D I mean, I'm in a sport that's so amenable to statistical analysis that we've become a go-to sport for biomedical research...
    (I have a graph somewhere round here of every shot I fired in every match for a two-year period...)


  • Registered Users Posts: 40,038 ✭✭✭✭Sparks


    265.0lb (grr, but look at the trend, not the noise). 35min on the elliptical (7.5km, 376cal) - 25% up on my max from 2 weeks ago. Woo-hoo!


  • Registered Users Posts: 40,038 ✭✭✭✭Sparks


    263.4lb. Which is so good that it totally overshadows oversleeping through the gym this morning. Totally. Yup...


  • Registered Users Posts: 40,038 ✭✭✭✭Sparks


    264.2lb. I know this pattern. Gym was damn hard this morning too. I’d contest that 366 calories the gym machines reported!

    The overall week’s report shows that I’m doing okay, but I need to stop missing days in the gym. Need to stop oversleeping which means going to bed earlier which means getting home earlier which means leaving training earlier which means getting to WTSC earlier which means leaving IBM earlier which means getting to IBM earlier which means waking up earlier….. this is a nasty little vicious circle, this…

    Heartbeat & Summary report, Week 10
    20110311_003b.jpg


    Calories burnt report, Week 10
    20110311_001b.jpg


    Distance report, Week 10
    20110311_002b.jpg


  • Registered Users Posts: 40,038 ✭✭✭✭Sparks


    262.4lb Ra-ra-ra... but not 259. Oh well, Next week...


  • Registered Users Posts: 40,038 ✭✭✭✭Sparks


    265.8. I ignore the daily variation because some noise is to be expected. That... and I had a chunk of tenderloin in FXBs on Saturday, with Bearnaise sauce and chips and I DON'T CARE :p:D


  • Registered Users Posts: 40,038 ✭✭✭✭Sparks


    Missed posting here yesterday:
    263.6lb. Another day without gym, thanks to an alarm clock that's too polite to make any noise :( Have to fix that...

    And today...

    263lb. Back to the gym for the first time this week. Was surprisingly easy. Lowest average heartrate in a while (164). Nice. :)


  • Registered Users Posts: 40,038 ✭✭✭✭Sparks


    263.8. I don't care, I had a lie-in. Didn't get up till half past noon. Feck you, world :) Damn, but that felt good...


  • Registered Users Posts: 40,038 ✭✭✭✭Sparks


    265lb. Wagamamas is lovely, but not terribly low-cal. Still, only a momentary spike in the noise...


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  • Registered Users Posts: 40,038 ✭✭✭✭Sparks


    chart?chs=240x160&chd=t:68.7,68.7,83.3,79.2,100.0,100.0,91.7,79.2,66.7,77.1,64.6,54.2,79.2,52.1,41.7,35.4,54.2,54.2,83.3,79.2,75.0,47.9,87.5,70.8,79.2,93.8,87.5,62.5,66.7,50.0,43.8,45.8,45.8,31.3,33.3,22.9,22.9,25.0,8.3,16.7,0.0,18.7,33.3,10.4,4.2,12.5,25.0,8.3,8.3,6.2,12.5|63.5,63.5,65.6,66.7,69.8,72.9,75.0,75.0,74.0,74.0,72.9,70.8,71.9,69.8,66.7,63.5,62.5,61.5,63.5,65.6,66.7,64.6,66.7,66.7,67.7,70.8,72.9,71.9,70.8,68.7,66.7,64.6,62.5,59.4,56.2,53.1,50.0,47.9,43.8,40.6,36.5,34.4,34.4,32.3,29.2,27.1,27.1,25.0,22.9,20.8,19.8&cht=lc&chxt=x,y&chxl=0:|12.01.11|22.03.11|1:|262.6|267.5|272.2&&chco=FF0000,00dd00

    263.8lb. Weight loss has stalled, but then I’ve not been near the gym in five or six days as well for various reasons. Not worried… yet.

    Annoyed at yesterday though - weighed myself a dozen or more times, and didn't get the same value twice so gave up trying to measure it. Noisy sensor fail.


  • Registered Users Posts: 40,038 ✭✭✭✭Sparks


    263.8lb and a morning of pain in the gym. And more pain when I walked into a filing cabinet in the office. It's just all pain, all day...

    And you can see where I've left the gym slip :(

    152649.jpg


  • Registered Users Posts: 40,038 ✭✭✭✭Sparks


    262lb. Thought I'd be going to the gym this morning, then I tried standing up and realised my legs had other ideas after yesterday...


  • Registered Users Posts: 40,038 ✭✭✭✭Sparks


    2011-03-25 261.8
    2011-03-26 262.4
    2011-03-27 262


    265.6lb. Wierdest day in the gym yet.

    I mean, a spike of several pounds is bad enough (and usually causes me to wonder if the scales is accurate unless there’s a reason for it), but I went to the gym this morning, got on the elliptical and failed to work up a sweat. Same time, same distance, same pace, same calories burned, but my heartrate didn’t get up to 150 for the first ten minutes and didn’t break 160 until the last five minutes. This is one session after one of the hardest sessions in a long while, when the heartrate made it back into the 180s for the first time in months.

    20110328_001b.jpg

    And then to get even odder, stretches I normally do with ease were hard to do today, and the ones that I usually feel the stretch from were damn near impossible to hold at all.

    It’s very odd.


  • Registered Users Posts: 40,038 ✭✭✭✭Sparks


    2011-03-29 263.4

    262.2lb But too tired to go the gym and work’s got an early morning issue anyway. :(


  • Registered Users Posts: 40,038 ✭✭✭✭Sparks


    2011-03-31 261.4
    2011-04-01 262.8
    2011-04-02 263.8
    2011-04-03 262.4
    2011-04-04 263.6
    2011-04-05 262
    2011-04-06 262.2


    262.0lb For various reasons, there’s been no gymwork at all in nearly ten days and weightloss has stagnated as a result. Herself Indoors is now poking at me with a stick to ‘help’. This may hurt somewhat…

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  • Registered Users Posts: 40,038 ✭✭✭✭Sparks


    262.6lb No gym at all this week. Did get woken by herself indoors way too early, so now I feel like I've had all the pain from the gym with none of the refreshed, full-of-energy after-gym feeling, so that's something at least... /grumble


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,688 ✭✭✭grimloch


    You seem very inconsistent and to be honest quite lazy.

    The bulk of your posts in this thread have been making half hearted excuses about not making the gym. Sleeping in, not being arsed. Looks like this is reflected in your progress aswell.

    (I'm not trying to be harsh here)


  • Registered Users Posts: 40,038 ✭✭✭✭Sparks


    Well, yes, it would look that way if all you read was here.
    On the other hand, I train in the range three times a week every week (and have missed a total of one session in the last few months), I've not broken the diet I'm on, and I have lost 20lb since I started all of this. I'm stalled rather than not being arsed to try.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,688 ✭✭✭grimloch


    Sparks wrote: »
    On the other hand, I train in the range three times a week every week (and have missed a total of one session in the last few months)

    That's wonderful but this log isn't about that.

    According to that graph a few posts up you've lost what, 10lbs in 4 months? I just reckon you could progress a little quicker than that so you can buy that new jacket.


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