Charlie Sheen

NomadicGray

Menas wrote: »

:eek:
What the blazes are they?!

On second thought, I prefer not to know!!

Sheep intestine

Effects

anna080 wrote: »

Bree Olsen is in the media today saying they used lambskin condoms.

I don't believe a word of that. Nobody in the 20th or 21st Century uses them.

Effects

Effects wrote: »

I don't believe a word of that. Nobody in the 20th or 21st Century uses them.

People who are allergic to latex do.

Stheno

Effects wrote: »

I don't believe a word of that. Nobody in the 20th or 21st Century uses them.

She also claims they sometimes used no protection without being tested first

ghostdancer

well they broke up in 2011, and he says he only became aware about 4 years ago, so maybe he caught it from her....

and before someone says she was a pornstar who get tested all the time, the fact that she's only getting tested for HIV now, 4 years after dating him and it being a fairly open secret, suggests that she wasn't all that bothered bout getting tested.
or, you know, is just saying some of that stuff and doing the recorded test for publicity :rolleyes:

the evasion_kid

Lambskin condoms?!?.....lifestyle of the rich and famous...

Stheno

ghostdancer wrote: »

well they broke up in 2011, and he says he only became aware about 4 years ago, so maybe he caught it from her....:

Ah didn't know that makes aense

January

It's possible they broke up before he was diagnosed.

screamer

Given that he was forking out handsome sums to keep people quiet, I would say that he wasn't too quick about disclosing this to his bedfellows.

Anyways, he has lived a crazy life, and he looks it, the state of him.

the evasion_kid

the evasion_kid wrote: »

Lambskin condoms?!?.....lifestyle of the rich and famous...

Latex allergy is very common, they're the alternative.

DARK-KNIGHT

Sheep shaggers wear lambskin

Hammer89

That's rich coming from ewe.

TomBtheGoat

When you look at the lifestyle he has led, I'm not shocked in the least by this news.

brevity

XplaygirlX wrote: »

Two and a half men is the best American comedy ever

It's awful. Absolutely awful.

KenjiOdo

Hopefully you kids will now learn the moral of this story...

Los Lobos

KenjiOdo wrote: »

Hopefully you kids will now learn the moral of this story...

No sheepshagging!!

Hande hoche!

brevity wrote: »

It's awful. Absolutely awful.

Still better than The big bang theory.

Effects

Hande hoche! wrote: »

Still better than The big bang theory.

About the same really. The larger cast in Big Bang Theory just makes you think it's worse.

ToddyDoody

* Mr sheen shines umpteen things clean *

BeerWolf

Domo230 wrote: »

I like Charlie Sheen.

He is what he is and is so unashamedly "out there" doing his own thing.

Two and a half men is pretty funny too

What, you like women beaters?

my friend

BeerWolf wrote: »

What, you like women beaters?

Oh you're my hero beer wolf!!

(Where did the op state your slur?)

Sunflower 27

I have read so many stories about him over the years that made me think he was a really nasty piece of work. The way he treated Denise Richards was appalling. I think he is a sad lonely man. If he didn't have money, he'd have no-one.

I know many think he had it all, but I don't believe that at all. He lived an empty life. It's pitiful how he has ended up.

Wanderer78

KenjiOdo wrote: »

Hopefully you kids will now learn the moral of this story...

if you have mental health problems or think you do, get help! maybe!?

retro:electro

I don't know why people like him, I think he's a vile human being, always have. The way he has spoken about Denise Richards and the names he has called her is disgusting, yet he seems to get away with it because he used to be in a funny show. He will be stigmatised not for having HIV, but for not telling his lovers, and on that basis he is a disgrace.

Joe prim

Tomebagel wrote: »

Bertha is funny in two and a half men.I like funny.I like Bertha because she is funny in two and a half men.

I dont watch it, but if there's two and a half men, why is there someone called Bertha in it, that's a girl's name!

Stheno

Joe prim wrote: »

I dont watch it, but if there's two and a half men, why is there someone called Bertha in it, that's a girl's name!

I have been subjected to more hours of this crap than I ever needed to be due to my OHs children loving it (it's now banned in this house)

Bertha is the housekeeper, she's about the only thing of note about this show

c montgomery

BeerWolf wrote: »

What, you like women beaters?

Love them, prefer man beaters tho

errlloyd

Shortly after the implosion of Charlie 4 years ago I met Martin Sheen at an event in UCD. He had just finished filming the Walk with Emilio, and it the contrast between the relationship he had with his sons was striking. He was asked about Charlie at the event and said he intended to reach out to him and try to help again.

So crazy that they're all one family.

Azalea

Samaris wrote: »

Meeh. I don't really think this is honestly a case of apportioning blame in that manner. "Oh, you're so 80% guilty of being a grade A lying bucket of weasel vomit, but darling, sleeping with him unprotected? You're 20% to blame for this life-destroying disease you now have..."

It's not so much apportioning blame as considering it not entirely honest to depict Charlie Sheen, lowlife that he may be, as the only one with responsibility in the scenarios in question.
How could any adult be that naive/innocent in this day and age?

Azalea

anna080 wrote: »

I don't know why people like him, I think he's a vile human being, always have. The way he has spoken about Denise Richards and the names he has called her is disgusting, yet he seems to get away with it because he used to be in a funny show.

And because he's a bad boy, a lad, "mad", all that sh-te (some men AND women think that stuff is great).

Wanderer78

Azalea wrote: »

And because he's a bad boy, a lad, "mad", all that sh-te (some men AND women think that stuff is great).

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Mad-Bad-And-Sad-History/dp/1844082342

comes to mind!

retro:electro

Azalea wrote: »

It's not so much apportioning blame as considering it not entirely honest to depict Charlie Sheen, lowlife that he may be, as the only one with responsibility in the scenarios in question.

Well they say he told them he was tested for std's and was clean, so what are they meant to do? Ask for proof? Who does that? In normal life people just take each other's word that they've got tested and they're clean. Only messed up people lie about that kind of stuff.

Azalea

Wanderer78 wrote: »

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Mad-Bad-And-Sad-History/dp/1844082342

comes to mind!

Oops, when I said "mad", I didn't mean mental illness! I meant more the way it's used about someone who's deemed great craic and reckless!

Wanderer78

Azalea wrote: »

Oops, when I said "mad", I didn't mean mental illness! I meant more the way it's used about someone who's deemed great craic and reckless!

strangely we re both talking about the same thing. ive been highly recommended this book for such subjects

Chain Smoker

Sleepy wrote: »

Every time I read about Charlie Sheen, I feel sorry for his father. Every interview I've seen with him, and anyone I know who interacted with him during his time in NUIG gives the impression that Martin Sheen is a lovely man and could only be heart-broken by his son's self-destructive behaviour.

I don't get why that guy gets such a free pass. It almost certainly is largely the result of Martin's sizable personal demons over the course of the 70s. His unwillingness to directly acknowledge that (he usually takes a holier than thou "I had problems too, if only he'd listen to me" attitude with some born again nonsense about the importance of faith) has always grated on me.

Letree

I hope now he has brought it out in the open he goes after the lowlifes who blackmailed him out of millions to keep it quiet.

Azalea

anna080 wrote: »

Well they say he told them he was tested for std's and was clean, so what are they meant to do?

Still use condoms. Unprotected sex with someone you don't know is, as should be well known 30 years after the AIDS scare hit its peak, very foolish, no matter what the other person says.
I've never heard of it being the standard for people to take strangers' word for it that they've been tested and are clean, just that it would be ill advised to leave it at that.

NachoBusiness

Sleepy wrote: »

Every time I read about Charlie Sheen, I feel sorry for his father. Every interview I've seen with him, and anyone I know who interacted with him during his time in NUIG gives the impression that Martin Sheen is a lovely man and could only be heart-broken by his son's self-destructive behaviour.

Was at The Way premiere in the Savoy back in early 2011, which was the night after Charlie's winning interview aired in the states. Both Martin and Emilio were there and Martin was asked about Charlie towards the end of the Q&A and he was quite emotional. He seemed close to tears and just said that it's hard when you have someone you love so much that is in the grip of addiction but can't see it themselves. The next question was something like, 'Who would like to work with next?' and he said, 'Charlie'.

Was hoping Bree was one of the women that Charlie was referring to when he said in the interview today that he had told certain women he could trust about his HIV diagnosis, but according to Bree (on Howard Stern today) she was not one of those women. If that's true, I have a lost a lot a lot of respect for the guy and I think she should sue him tbh, if that is, what she says is true. If he didn't have enough respect for her to let her know that she was having unprotected sex with someone with HIV, then why should she bother looking out for him for one second longer. IMO, she shouldn't. If he only ever had sex with her when using condoms though, that's somewhat different. Haven't heard the Stern show in full yet so not 100% sure as the quotes so far from the interview don't seem to make it clear if the the lambskin condoms were always used.

Here is today's interview for those that haven't seen it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ng5WSbZ9M08

ponzook

He was paid 1.8 million per episode in his final season of two and a half me. Winning! I actually quite enjoyed it and got some laughs from it. It's good and watchable and can relate to his lifestyle. Maybe it's not for everyone but each to their own. Better than a lot of ****e I watched but a lot of episodes were repetitive

I'll just leave this here. He's a total frickin rock star! Charlie Sheen my idol

<youtube>youtube.com/watch?v=9QS0q3mGPGg</youtube>

ThinkProgress

I don't think I could shake someone's hand if I knew they had HIV/AIDS... I guess that makes me a rotten person.

I'm quite neurotic about germs, and HIV is the king of germs! (or at least it used to be and still has that stigma in many ppl's minds)

Samaris

ThinkProgress wrote: »

I don't think I could shake someone's hand if I knew they had HIV/AIDS... I guess that makes me a rotten person.

I'm quite neurotic about germs, and HIV is the king of germs! (or at least it used to be and still has that stigma in many ppl's minds)

Iiiiit does make you rather hurtful to someone with it. It's absolutely not transferrable like that, and can you imagine how dirty you would feel if people refused to as much as shake hands with you?

ThinkProgress

Samaris wrote: »

Iiiiit does make you rather hurtful to someone with it. It's absolutely not transferrable like that, and can you imagine how dirty you would feel if people refused to as much as shake hands with you?

I don't shake hands with people that have a cold... so why would I be any more likely to do so with someone who has an incurable disease?

I know it's unlikely, but it's not totally impossible to contract it by shaking hands... you have a cut, they have a cut. (slightly irrational, but that's the mind of someone who's neurotic about this stuff)

NachoBusiness

ThinkProgress wrote: »

... so why would I be any more likely to do so with someone who has an incurable disease?

Because you can't catch HIV by shaking hands with someone?

I know it's unlikely, but it's not totally impossible to contract it by shaking hands... you have a cut, they have a cut. (slightly irrational, but that's the mind of someone who's neurotic about this stuff)

I haven't heard such nonsense in this context since the late 80's / early 90's. It was at least understandable then as people could be excused for being ignorant. There is no such excuse today however.

Have you ever seen the film Philadelphia? Watch it. You might recognize yourself in one or two of the characters.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YkpHalgTqpw

Samaris

ThinkProgress wrote: »

I don't shake hands with people that have a cold... so why would I be any more likely to do so with someone who has an incurable disease?

I know it's unlikely, but it's not totally impossible to contract it by shaking hands... you have a cut, they have a cut. (slightly irrational, but that's the mind of someone who's neurotic about this stuff)

No-one can change your mind on this, and there's little point in really trying.

But a cold -is- different, and I think we all know that. A cold is a temporary inconvenience that we all get at some point, that has no permanent social side-effects, that people don't look at you differently because you have. It's treated with vague sympathy (or mild slagging depending on the level of whining about it). It's also well-known to be extremely easily transmissable.

HIV isn't easily transmissable. It's not transferable by skin-to-skin contact. The likelihood of you both having a cut is very remote and it'd be pretty obvious if you did. It's a bit like...refusing to shake hands with someone suffering from cancer. Something that little as refusing basic social contact with them is making them out to be a pariah and it's insult to injury.

Having said that, phobias are hard to control. I hope that should the situation ever arise, the person realises it's your problem and not theirs.

Hammer89

He caught it from the air conditioner being too low on movie sets, proving that women aren't the only ones who suffer from it.

R.D. aka MR.D

ThinkProgress wrote: »

I don't shake hands with people that have a cold... so why would I be any more likely to do so with someone who has an incurable disease?

I know it's unlikely, but it's not totally impossible to contract it by shaking hands... you have a cut, they have a cut. (slightly irrational, but that's the mind of someone who's neurotic about this stuff)

I really hope you are getting appropriate treatment for your neurosis because it must be quite serious if you think things like that.

It's nearly as serious as one guy I heard of who used to make his girlfriend wash her hands in boiling hot water after she gave him a handjob just incase she got pregnant.

Your doctor should be able to help you identify the things that you believe that are not realistic. You should tell him/her about this HIV thing because as another poster pointed out, your hangup could really upset a person who has a very serious disease.

petrolcan

ThinkProgress wrote: »

I don't think I could shake someone's hand if I knew they had HIV/AIDS... I guess that makes me a rotten person.

I'm quite neurotic about germs, and HIV is the king of germs! (or at least it used to be and still has that stigma in many ppl's minds)

Slight contrast to your username.

retro:electro

Azalea wrote: »

Still use condoms. Unprotected sex with someone you don't know is, as should be well known 30 years after the AIDS scare hit its peak, very foolish, no matter what the other person says.
I've never heard of it being the standard for people to take strangers' word for it that they've been tested and are clean, just that it would be ill advised to leave it at that.

They did use condoms. One lover said they used lambskin condoms but as I already stated earlier they don't prevent HIV transmission. But having told her he was clean she may have thought these were sufficent enough.

Seanachai

anna080 wrote: »

He was in NUI when I was studying there. Very normal, unassuming man. Seemed very down to earth

He does seem like a decent guy, it was hard to watch him falling off that building in 'The Departed'.

SQLDBA

Apparently one in every two and half men are HIV positive