FTTP vs FFTC

watty

FTTP vs FFTC
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/03/03/bt_milton_keynes_fibre_to_the_premises_trial/

I think the answer is FTTC outside of Urban, but with option for customer to have copper replaced by fibre, for FTTP, as a premium service.

Majority on FTTC should get 50Mbps to 100Mbps with latest kit, and many on 200Mbps.
About 20Mbps to 25Mbps if you are 1.6km from a cabinet on unshared cable (no crosstalk).

Most duct cables from Cabinet to house in Ireland are not in a multi-pair, but a separate 2 pair cable with heavy PVC outer.

rob808

watty wrote: »

FTTP vs FFTC
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/03/03/bt_milton_keynes_fibre_to_the_premises_trial/

I think the answer is FTTC outside of Urban, but with option for customer to have copper replaced by fibre, for FTTP, as a premium service.

Majority on FTTC should get 50Mbps to 100Mbps with latest kit, and many on 200Mbps.
About 20Mbps to 25Mbps if you are 1.6km from a cabinet on unshared cable (no crosstalk).

Most duct cables from Cabinet to house in Ireland are not in a multi-pair, but a separate 2 pair cable with heavy PVC outer.

I think FTTC a waste of time it be no good to rural areas suburban yes doh we might only start of with 25mb it 40mb in england and some people over there are having problems with FTTC speed and news of some cabinets overheating FTTP is the only true next generation broadband plus FTTC cabinets are big and need alot of power.I know FTTC economically best for suburban but rural areas are a lol for it.

watty

Most people would get 100Mbps+ here from FTTC and significant percentage get FTTP.

Only a minority, < 20% maybe, would have a 20Mbps minimum.

Cable structures are different here to UK and if you set up minimum roll out standards in advance..

FTTC uses 1/4,500th of power of LTE per Mbps per user. It's less than Exchange based DSL + pots (about 1/2 power). With proper design and current VDSL2 dslams fed by fibre there isn't a Cabinet heat issue or size issue. Part of the recipe is also to completely abandon Analogue and ISDN provision. Reduces cost, complexity, power consumption and size.

watty

LTE isn't competitive with Fibre Broadband, for 10Mbps+ minimum speed, but at least it's Mobile. It also is unable to guarantee more than 0.6Mbps (600kbps).

But Satellite isn't even mobile.

A 500Kb/sec connection via HYLAS 1 will cost, from reseller Europe Satellite, €25 a month with a cap of 3GB every month. A more-reasonable 4Mb/sec (enough for some iPlayer goodness) will set one back €81 a month and comes capped at 8GB (so not too much iPlayer goodness) – and that's after one has bought oneself a dish and paid the €45 activation fee. For satellite that's good, though it can't compete with terrestrial broadband.

via http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/03/25/hylas_1_testing/

As Europe rolls out Fibre and LTE, the best hope for Avanti with Hylas1 and Eutelsat/Viasat with Tooway on Ka-Sat is TV & Cinema HD distribution and OB links. Not "Broadband".

watty

Established satellite fleet operators doing business in Africa said prices are under pressure, especially for C-band links, as long-planned fiber lines proliferate on the African coasts.

These operators said they did not believe the price declines in Ku-band would be severe, and they expect to survive the current downturn in the hope that the combination of fiber’s presence and increasing satellite coverage will not cause a permanent drop in prices.

Addressing the Satellite 2011 conference here March 16, officials with experience in the African satellite telecommunications market said they doubted the viability of startup satellite constellation operator O3b Networks, which has recently raised $1.2 billion and is targeting Africa as a major market.

O3b, based in Britain’s Channel Islands, is backed by established satellite fleet operator SES of Luxembourg. Eight O3b satellites are scheduled for launch in late 2013 into an equatorial medium Earth orbit to cover regions located between 40 degrees north and 40 degrees south latitude.

The company will be selling wholesale bandwidth to Latin American, African and Asian telecommunications operators and has already booked more than $600 million in contracts that O3b officials say are binding.

But that was before some of the massive fiber capacity now available in Africa had arrived.

via http://www.spacenews.com/satellite_telecom/110324-o3b-defending-business-plan.html

clohamon

Eircom/Industry group progress presentation.

http://www.eircomwholesale.ie/News/Documents/FTTC__Pricing_FILG_Presentation_17Feb2011/

watty

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/04/04/open_letter_turnbull/

watty

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/04/11/overbuild_threat_drove_nbn/

Interesting, if somewhat poorly written

clohamon

watty wrote: »

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/04/11/overbuild_threat_drove_nbn/

Interesting, if somewhat poorly written

The transcript is very interesting on the bind the Australian government were in.

STEPHEN CONROY: If we were to go ahead with the fibre to the node proposal, we would essentially have to, not to put too scientific a point on it, cut the copper. That would've meant effectively that we would've appropriated Telstra's property rights, and under our constitution if you- you have to have fair compensation if you take someone's property rights. And no expert in the field, nowhere in the legal field, commercial field, would give us a suggestion that the sort of bill you'd pay to Telstra was anything less than $15-20 billion.

STEPHEN LONG: Conroy's pitch - bypass Telstra and build an entirely new fibre network all the way to the home. An option the panel of experts had said was the best "future proof" solution.
STEPHEN CONROY: And the prime minister decided that yes, here was our chance to fundamentally reform the telecommunications sector, achieve structural separation, upgrade our network and ensure that Australians had the best possible telecommunications network, without the structural impediments that we had previously.
STEPHEN LONG: It was a backdoor way to break apart Telstra, fixing a failed privatisation that spawned a Telco monster.
STEPHEN CONROY: I consider that we are fixing the mistakes of 20 years caused by two governments of both political persuasions.

STEPHEN CONROY: The market has conspicuously failed. The market cannot deliver ubiquitous, cheap and affordable access to broadband across the whole country. It hasn't happened, won't happen and it won't happen in the future. John Howard gave 11 and a half years of opportunity for the market to fix this problem, and it failed.

What's clear is that the only valuable asset Telstra (Eircom) ever had, was its ability to frustrate public policy and the regulator. When all tenders were eventually excluded from the NBN tender, and the government was free to go it alone, all that was left was the raw asset value of its (Telstra's) copper network; its share price duly tanked, and it was forced to do a deal.


as for the Opposition view..

MALCOLM TURNBULL: As people get faster speeds with fourth generation wireless, LTE wireless, where you can get you know, on a device like this (iPAD), you know a hundred megs, over 4G, I think a lot of people will say well this is the essential device, I won't spend so much on the fixed line alternative.

watty

Surveys show what Australians think of Mobile. OK for on-the-go and phone calls, useless as a Broadband replacement.