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Decided to wait to let the dust settle somewhat from Saturday before I posted anything. I was tempted to post over a few pints as i was drying off but I'm glad I didn't
Firstly, the first half was one of the worst 35mins of football anyone is likely to witness. I hope i never see anything as turgid again in my life. Thank the lord it wasn't televised.
Secondly, well done Roscommon. Credit where credit is due, they ramped up their performance in the 2nd half and i genuinely wish them well for the rest of the championship. And they showed the value of quick ball inside to their forward line (admittedly against a shell-shocked Cavan team trying to chase the game)
Now, onto our performance. I think a few wiser heads have nailed it: yes, the championship has been a disaster, but let's look at Cavan senior football in a wider context for the year, and especially where we have come from.
Everyone, from management, players and seasoned fans said the priority for 2014 for the team's development was to get promoted to Division 2. Mission accomplished. I think we put so much energy and preperation into our league campaign that there wasn't anything left (psychologically or physically) left in the tank- and that's without taking into account the loss of key players.
I agree with Willabur- our lads looked shot on Saturday. Not only did they not have the legs, for the first time under Terry's reign (that i can remember), they looked beaten once they went a few points behind. I don't think we can underestimate the loss in the final Vs Roscommon (a game they should have won) as, to me, it looks like it really dented the team's belief.
I'm not worried about that. It's time for lads to get some well-deserved break and re-group for next year. And hopefully they will learn from these defeats.
I am a little worried about the style of play. To me, Cavan look like a team that is over-prepared with overreliance on drills. Against the Rossies there was an obession with laying ball off to on-running players as if it was rugby with a reluctance (or belief) to play with some spontaneity.
I think the real frustration for fans on the night wasn't just that we were beaten (and it could have been worse, Roscommon kicked some dreadful wides in the 1st half and took points in the 2nd where goals could have been taken) was down to the fact that we created so few scoring chances. I may be wrong but apart from the 5 points scored we may have only hit about 5 wides.
I really think that there is talent there and hopefully with fresher minds and legs and some tweaking of the system, the team can perform to the standards it has shown last year. Talk of scrapping the management or dropping loads of players is precisely what we don't need. But we genuinely will need to look at out-scoring teams in Division 2: simply closing teams out may work against the likes of Offaly or Fermanagh, but not in division 2.
Yes Saturday was grim. But people on here (and other forums) need to cop themselves on a bit.0 -
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I'm entitled to my opinion the same as anyone else.
If you guys are happy with the Cavan performances through out the league and championship it is not hard to please you. As i said previous the style of football Cavan play will not beat the better teams and just about got us over the line in Division 3.
We don't have a clue how to break down a blanket defense or attack quickly, Roscommon gave a lesson on how to do all that Saturday evening.
People have been harping on about the strength in debt in the panel but it's obvious now that it isn't there.
Keating and Givney have missed feck all club football as there has only been a couple played in the ACFL so that doesn't account for poor form.
It's my worry that the the development of the players is not being done correctly. It looks like players are being encouraged to retain possession rather than shoot with only certain players allowed to shoot. Last Saturday Argue and Brady were the only players from the previous 5 U-21 teams who lined out in the forwards. There must have been 20 forwards from them 5 teams, where are they now?
We are developing forwards who will work hard and tackle back not one's who will put the ball over the bar.
Noboy said you're not entitled to your opinion but you've posted rumours on here before about players being dropped which were totally incorrect. You've now posted another unsubstantiated rumour above. I haven't heard what you've said above off any other person in the county, either at the game or after it.
You're consistently negative in your postings, even when we were promoted from Division 3 without being beaten. Yes, we struggled through some games but due to injuries we haven't been able to get near our best 15 on the pitch all year. Despite that, we were promoted with two games to go. That's a huge improvement from the time under the likes of Carr.
We've won the Leinster junior championship so their obviously is strength in depth in the panel. Experience was lacking on Saturday but that'll have to be worked on. As a poster said above, only five players who started against Kerry last year started on Saturday. Not many panels could cope with that.
As for your point re Keating and Givney, both have had stop start campaigns all year due to injury. You trying to state otherwise is disingenuous. In fact, I think one mistake Hyland has made is rushing players back from injury too quickly.
To say that Cavan football is in as bad a state as ever is ridiculous as others have said. We went through our seven games in Division 2 unbeaten, we got to the McKenna Cup final, we are in an All Ireland junior championship semi final and we won another Ulster at U21 and really should have made the final.
You also need to remember that Roscommon are much further into their development than we are. They also have lads who won All Ireland club championship medals. Cavan's club sides can barely win a game in Ulster.baconsarnie wrote: »Decided to wait to let the dust settle somewhat from Saturday before I posted anything. I was tempted to post over a few pints as i was drying off but I'm glad I didn't
Firstly, the first half was one of the worst 35mins of football anyone is likely to witness. I hope i never see anything as turgid again in my life. Thank the lord it wasn't televised.
Secondly, well done Roscommon. Credit where credit is due, they ramped up their performance in the 2nd half and i genuinely wish them well for the rest of the championship. And they showed the value of quick ball inside to their forward line (admittedly against a shell-shocked Cavan team trying to chase the game)
Now, onto our performance. I think a few wiser heads have nailed it: yes, the championship has been a disaster, but let's look at Cavan senior football in a wider context for the year, and especially where we have come from.
Everyone, from management, players and seasoned fans said the priority for 2014 for the team's development was to get promoted to Division 2. Mission accomplished. I think we put so much energy and preperation into our league campaign that there wasn't anything left (psychologically or physically) left in the tank- and that's without taking into account the loss of key players.
I agree with Willabur- our lads looked shot on Saturday. Not only did they not have the legs, for the first time under Terry's reign (that i can remember), they looked beaten once they went a few points behind. I don't think we can underestimate the loss in the final Vs Roscommon (a game they should have won) as, to me, it looks like it really dented the team's belief.
I'm not worried about that. It's time for lads to get some well-deserved break and re-group for next year. And hopefully they will learn from these defeats.
I am a little worried about the style of play. To me, Cavan look like a team that is over-prepared with overreliance on drills. Against the Rossies there was an obession with laying ball off to on-running players as if it was rugby with a reluctance (or belief) to play with some spontaneity.
I think the real frustration for fans on the night wasn't just that we were beaten (and it could have been worse, Roscommon kicked some dreadful wides in the 1st half and took points in the 2nd where goals could have been taken) was down to the fact that we created so few scoring chances. I may be wrong but apart from the 5 points scored we may have only hit about 5 wides.
I really think that there is talent there and hopefully with fresher minds and legs and some tweaking of the system, the team can perform to the standards it has shown last year. Talk of scrapping the management or dropping loads of players is precisely what we don't need. But we genuinely will need to look at out-scoring teams in Division 2: simply closing teams out may work against the likes of Offaly or Fermanagh, but not in division 2.
Yes Saturday was grim. But people on here (and other forums) need to cop themselves on a bit.
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