stolen citreon xantia activa

mcwhirter

davoxx wrote: »

i had my activa stolen this week. it was there monday, and gone today.

i'm told that it was lifted on thursday (thanks richiet) around 2:30pm by a blue van with flasy lights and a trailer.

the car was in the glen in ballyboden just off the ballyboden roundabout with taylor's cresent.

the reg id R531 KHR it was a red xantia (hatchback) activa.

they'd be a very rare car with only 6 in ireland.

any sighting, please let me know ...

A friend of mine had his classic car stolen by a van with trailer too, coincidence??

greenermetals

we get calls like this every week with people having their cars lifted, some of them dont even care until they get a letter from shannon asking why its not taxed, then they come to us asking can we 'do them a favour' and give them a cert.

I feel for the OP, i really do, but it doesn't help when these illegal operators are acting with impunity. There are rules about scrapping cars, carrying scrap cars that legitimate operators have to adhere to, but we are being constantly undermined by fly by night operators lifting cars and taking them into unlicensed premises for cash. We dont lift any cars without the express permission of the owner either by letter of authorization, or by handing over the logbook in exchange for a certificate of destruction. What is so hard to enforce about that?

If these people were prosecuted more often, there wouldnt be such a problem with it......sorry rant over

I'll definately keep an eye out for it, but id say that unfortunately for you this car has been stripped and is in a bale by now, i sincerely hope im wrong.

For anyone else reading this, if your car has been taken, phone the guards immediately and report it stolen, it may save you a lot of hassle in the future.

Marcusm

davoxx wrote: »

checked the corpo .. they did not lift it, so the car was stolen.

this would not happen in the uk as there is not stupid vrt.
this should not happen in ireland either.

the car was checked on daily, so no worries about scumbags, and tbf scumbags are the problem not cars.

This would absolutely happen in the UK; you had an untaxed car on the public road. Not only would it have been lifted, you would be liable for costs including daily costs, fines, penalty points etc.

davoxx

Marcusm wrote: »

This would absolutely happen in the UK; you had an untaxed car on the public road. Not only would it have been lifted, you would be liable for costs including daily costs, fines, penalty points etc.

err nope .. because the car would have been scorn'ed.
it was not in use, and would not be lifted.
I'll think you'll find that the uk do not just lift cars for not having tax.
also i don't live in the uk, as if i did, i would have been able to register the car even if it was not driving.

and please if you want to rant about it go elsewhere, i even made a thread so people like you can rant about it.


ZENER, below is a picture of a 100% similar car (i don't have a proper pic of the whole car, never thought of it):

davoxx

davoxx wrote: »

err nope .. because the car would have been scorn'ed.
it was not in use, and would not be lifted.

If it was SORNd it cannot be parked outside someone's house on a public road

davoxx

RoverJames wrote: »

If it was SORNd it cannot be parked outside someone's house on a public road

is that the uk law, that a SORN'd car cannot be on a public road? i thought it was that it can not be driven on the public road.

davoxx

davoxx wrote: »

is that the uk law, that a SORN'd car cannot be on a public road? i thought it was that it can not be driven on the public road.

http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Motoring/OwningAVehicle/UntaxedVehicle/DG_4022058

In fairness off the road means off the road

Marcusm

davoxx wrote: »

is that the uk law, that a SORN'd car cannot be on a public road? i thought it was that it can not be driven on the public road.

I was being very specific. It cannot be n the road at all, parked or otherwise. Also, when SORNs are lodged, there's a high incidence of inspection r non agricultural vehicles.

Did you complete a SORN? Only trying to be helpful, but it's invalid if he car is in Ireland. Technically, UK motor tax will still be sought. Not sure whether you can put a non UK address on the V5C bu you might have bought it some time ago when this was possible.

davoxx

RoverJames wrote: »

http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Motoring/OwningAVehicle/UntaxedVehicle/DG_4022058

In fairness off the road means off the road

it doesn't define the legal meaning to use on the road. but fair enough it does seem like it needs to be private property in the uk.

it would come down to when is it a car and when is it just a pile of parts ... i would have said when it doesn't drive.

-Chris-

If it's a pile of parts on the side of the road, the council will definitely remove it.

Guy:Incognito

davoxx wrote: »

... i would have said when it doesn't drive.

How do you establish whether it drives or not if it has just appeared outside your house and not moved for 6 months?

celticbest

If your car has a foreign reg and is not taxed and is sitting in the same spot for 6 months then to all it looks abandoned, as far as I'm aware the Corpo would have ever right to lift it as an abandoned car if people have been reporting it as such.

Having a foreign reg is the same as no reg as it would not be traceable to the owner in Ireland as it is not maintained on any of our systems.

If I was you I would report it as stolen to the guards, is it covered by insurance?

listermint

davoxx wrote: »

checked the corpo .. they did not lift it, so the car was stolen.

this would not happen in the uk as there is not stupid vrt.
this should not happen in ireland either.

the car was checked on daily, so no worries about scumbags, and tbf scumbags are the problem not cars.

VRT has nothing to do with your road tax, Yes it would have been lifted in the UK. It was on a public road, regardless of SORNd or not. It cannot be left idle on a public road with no road tax.

6 months is an epic long time for your vehicle to be left up on the road to be fair. Yes scumbags are a problem, But there are such things as cause and effect. Your car being idle at the side of the road has only one effect - it attracts these degenerates. The only way to counter that is to remove the cause.

We had a similar issue in my last apartment, someone had left a Mazda 323 sitting idle for around 7 months. 4 months in all the back windows were put in from people trying to gain access to it. bonnet then pulled for stealing the battery. And this was a secluded complex in an upmarket area.

I understand your predicament but there are reasons why the councils have rules in place for the benefit of all. The Co Co said they dont have it, but they cant have a record of the reg if it was removed. More than likely it was picked up by a private contractor with no plates on it. Or at worst has been taken for parts, which is theft. I am sorry for your troubles but leaving it in such a position for that lenght of time is similar to leaving the keys in it and walking off. Im not here to discuss the right and wrong of it, Its a simple fact. I do hope you manage to get it back but that you have also learned a common sense lesson with this unfortunate episode.

Marcusm

davoxx wrote: »

it doesn't define the legal meaning to use on the road. but fair enough it does seem like it needs to be private property in the uk.

it would come down to when is it a car and when is it just a pile of parts ... i would have said when it doesn't drive.

If it's just a pile of parts why is it still registered as a car in the UK? Was it not Put through formal scrapping procedures to have it reregistered or given that it seems to have been exported permanently, put through the exportation procedure on change of ownership.

Ultimately, this not what you what you are interested but in fairness you keep changing your position. I don't think it's fair if someone has stolen your car. However, I feel sorry for the residents of that road if a pile of parts had not been moved by the authorities.

E39MSport

OP - call Thorntons ELV centre. They may know.

-Chris-

@everyone - just so you're not tying yourselves in knots over nothing, the OP has established that their car was stolen, rather than removed by council etc.

All I can say davoxx is report it to the Gardai (if you haven't already) and keep your eyes open.
Good luck with getting your car back.

listermint

-Chris- wrote: »

@everyone - just so you're not tying yourselves in knots over nothing, the OP has established that their car was stolen, rather than removed by council etc.

All I can say davoxx is report it to the Gardai (if you haven't already) and keep your eyes open.
Good luck with getting your car back.

With Due respect Chris the OP is making a speculative judgement on the theft of the vehicle. From experience with Co Co they are not the most up to date of organisations and keeping tracking of picked up vehicles by contractors would not be high on their skills list.

To make a more informed judgement the OP needs a list of all contractors for South Dublin Co Co that facilitate removal services and contact them directly and personally.

I would do this first. Then make a more informed theft declaration to AGS.

-Chris-

listermint wrote: »

With Due respect Chris the OP is making a speculative judgement on the theft of the vehicle. From experience with Co Co they are not the most up to date of organisations and keeping tracking of picked up vehicles by contractors would not be high on their skills list.

To make a more informed judgement the OP needs a list of all contractors for South Dublin Co Co that facilitate removal services and contact them directly and personally.

I would do this first. Then make a more informed theft declaration to AGS.

We can only work with the information the OP gives us:
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=71073130#post71073130

He may be right, he may be wrong, but I'd hate to see everyone waste their time discussing all the angles if the OP has already arrived at a result.

Marcusm

-Chris- wrote: »

@everyone - just so you're not tying yourselves in knots over nothing, the OP has established that their car was stolen, rather than removed by council etc.

All I can say davoxx is report it to the Gardai (if you haven't already) and keep your eyes open.
Good luck with getting your car back.

I too hope you get your car back and then enjoy it as you clearly intended.

However, the OP might want to be cautious in any statements he makes to or files with the Gardai as they could constitute evidence of the Gardai or other authorities sought to deal with the Road Traffic Acts (untaxed foreign vehicle), Taxes Consolidation Act (VRT if the car was capable of propulsion) or Local Government Act (if a pile of parts and hence waste) issues.

It may be that the authorities will see these as minor issues when compared with an assertion of theft. However, that is likely to depend on the humour of the officials......

davoxx

yeah all i can go with is what the south dublin county council said. the woman there was very helpful, said she'd call me back in 30 mins once she spoke to their contractors. she called me back and confirmed that they did not pick it up.

the gardai said their was no note on their system regarding it so they would not have taken it, but just in case, she spoke to their contractor and said that it was not collected by them.

the customs said that they need a warrant to lift a car, and then he said that he would contact his contractor to confirm it was not lifted. he called back to confirm this.

i spoke to all authorised vehicle disposers that I could find, and they said that they had not lifted it or gotten one in. One of the guys had a whine about how there are unofficial breakers that just lift cars and break them. He said he thinks there has been a raise in the late.


the gardai are treating this as stolen, but unless i can figure out who lifted it, chances are slim to none in getting it back whole.

since the colour is unique to the model (activa) and there are only 6 in ROI, i can identify any body parts from it.

davoxx

Marcusm wrote: »

I too hope you get your car back and then enjoy it as you clearly intended.

However, the OP might want to be cautious in any statements he makes to or files with the Gardai as they could constitute evidence of the Gardai or other authorities sought to deal with the Road Traffic Acts (untaxed foreign vehicle), Taxes Consolidation Act (VRT if the car was capable of propulsion) or Local Government Act (if a pile of parts and hence waste) issues.

It may be that the authorities will see these as minor issues when compared with an assertion of theft. However, that is likely to depend on the humour of the officials......

good advice ... remind me of a joke: what do you say to a policeman? nothing, you're guilty anyway.

http://www.ehow.com/how_2279439_talk-policeman-stopped.html

but to be fair they were quite helpful.

demag

OP I'm afraid theres a good chance your car is a small square bale by now. That car is worth €150 to whoever picked it up and dropped it off at a scrapyard and it's not just the sort of people you think.
I know a couple of fellas with a 7.5 ton truck with a HIAB grab on the back who do this sometimes. They are a proper transport company and if they spot abandoned cars when they are out, they come back later and lift it, drop it at the scrapper and €150 in the pocket.

-Chris-

I'd start by running that by whatever Garda you were talking to, and quickly before your car is scavenged.

davoxx

-Chris- wrote: »

I'd start by running that by whatever Garda you were talking to, and quickly before your car is scavenged.

did that ... but it will take them 30 mins to get there, and she'll be long gone by then ... i'm going to put up posters and see if i can trace who lifted her in the first place.

i accept that the car will either be crushed/burnt/or hidden by now. probably crushed.

but i'm sure someone will remember the car being lifted. the front was lowered with the arse sticking right up, there is no broken glass so i'm not sure how the opened it if they did. the suspension was rock solid so if it was being towed, you'd have seen it bouncing madly, even on a trailer.

it seems that this is on the increase and is set to get worse.


i'll put up a list with all the numbers i called, and see if i can get a list of emails, so that anyone else with a similar problem can save some time.