Beginner DJs Guide to DJ Equipment

Eddie Ere

Cheers Ian, I know the 1210s are no longer in production so that might have something to do with the price hike. I'm gonna keep an eye out anyway, hopefully I may get lucky.

Or if anyone else happens to be getting rid of an s2 I'd gladly take it off your hands...

theaaao

Any beginner DJ's or others check out my ad please.
Thanks
http://www.adverts.ie/1368944

Eddie Ere

Ok Folks, in terms of Turntables what should I be looking for (defect wise) in a pair of second hand 1210s?

hans aus dtschl

Some Annoying Defects:

• Pins in the tonearm not springing back cleanly/black with carbon from arc-ing
• No target light
• No rubber seal around counterweight
• Missing Feet (yes I know, that obvious)
• Missing counterweight
• Tonearm locking mechanism (plastic on mid-tonearm) broken
• Tonearm height lock (metal on base) jammed
• Broken anti-skate
• Missing 45 adapter
• Start/Stop button not springing up cleanly
• Misplaced 0-point on fader
• Fader not calibrated (watch the strobe lights)
• Bad/broken ground wire
• Bad/broken RCA cables
• Loose tonearm housing

Some Critical Defects:

• Big flutter in platter - indicative of drive IC failure (very expensive to resolve)
• Physical tonearm defects (still not too expensive to replace though)

Squ

I dipped my toe into the pool of Digital DJing by using a Reloop controller and Tracktor.
Soon got pee'd off with the Reloop, but liked Traktor..

I still have my 1210's (sold my djm600)

In your varied opinions which option would be better?

1. Audio8 soundcard into a Midi mixer, with the Timecode Vinyl's,
2. Go balls deep and get a Xone 3d? (confuse the sh1t out of myself with some 4 deck wizardry!)

ps: any cheaper options than a 3d, bar Berhinger?

Thanks Lads.

djdarren

Well guys,
Im a newbie on Boards, hope this is the right section,
Right heres my question im dj'n all kinds of partys house parties and events the last year or that, Iv a set of prosound 500w passive tops and a prosound 1600w amp not great but does the trick and im using a Numark cdmix 1 as my mixer cds for back up and using spare channel for my laptop. I bought a behringer ep2500w amp their recently great amp, Im using the behringer amp with the tops for the mean time, but i want to buy subs/bass bins, i was looking at these
Behringer VP1800 S http://www.thomann.de/ie/behringer_vp1800_s.htm, i want a bit more power for bigger places.
My question is I want to run the tops of the prosound amp and the two bins of the behringer amp, but how would i go about it? do i need a crossover? just how would i connect everything up? Hope someone can help thanks!

BadCompany

Hi everyone, complete rookie here looking for advice. I'm thinking about investing in a high spec laptop and a controller (something like the Traktor S2 mentioned above) more as a hobby than anything else, may look into gigging after some time if my interest grows. One query I had (and it may be a stupid one) is this - is it possible to run a controller (let's say the S2 in particular for arguments sake) without a set of speakers hooked up? ie. can I have the music come through the headphones in isolation or will I need a set of speakers? As I said this will be mainly for bedroom use for now. All advice appreciated, thanks!

frozenfrozen

BadCompany wrote: »

Hi everyone, complete rookie here looking for advice. I'm thinking about investing in a high spec laptop and a controller (something like the Traktor S2 mentioned above) more as a hobby than anything else, may look into gigging after some time if my interest grows. One query I had (and it may be a stupid one) is this - is it possible to run a controller (let's say the S2 in particular for arguments sake) without a set of speakers hooked up? ie. can I have the music come through the headphones in isolation or will I need a set of speakers? As I said this will be mainly for bedroom use for now. All advice appreciated, thanks!

You can use the speakers on your laptop

BadCompany

Thanks frozen, I assumed this to be the case but I've heard conflicting comments online.

G.P

Thanks CyberWaste

I'm ready to pull the trigger on the S4 (my first DJ set up)

Where's the best place to buy it, eBay?
You talked a bit about what laptops are best to use with it. If I didn't want to get a mac, what will do the job or what should I look out for?

Thanks

Squ

G.P wrote: »

Thanks CyberWaste

I'm ready to pull the trigger on the S4 (my first DJ set up)

Where's the best place to buy it, eBay?
You talked a bit about what laptops are best to use with it. If I didn't want to get a mac, what will do the job or what should I look out for?

Thanks

http://www.adverts.ie/for-sale/q_kontrol+s4/

G.P

What's the difference between the S4 and the pro scratch 2?

holystungun9

G.P wrote: »

What's the difference between the S4 and the pro scratch 2?

You should have a look at the Native Instruments website but in brief...

The S4 is a piece of hardware. It is a box with buttons and faders to control and mix music that you have on your laptop. You get the S4, and a disc so that you can put the special Traktor software on you laptop that runs in conjunction with the S4.
It's an all in one DJ solution. With this and your laptop you are good to go. There is also an S2 which is a smaller two channel version (as oppose to the S4 4-channel version.

Scratch pro 2 is what you buy if you already have a mixer, turntable or CD players but instead of playing your physical CDs or vinyl records, you want to play the mp3s or other music files on your computer. Really the website or youtube will give you an insight into how these things are usually hookup and are used.
In the box you get special vinyl type records and special CDs. You also get a small soundcard/box that is kind of a middle-man box between your laptop/and the Traktor software you have installed form the disc also included, and the rest of your physical setup- the decks, mixer etc.

That's the basic idea but really, check the NI website and put the systems you want to check out into youtube. You can see everything from people unboxing these things, to setting them up, to playing and recording mixes.

gibzo

I am selling two axis four cd player and a dm2050 mixer all in great condition

Justin10

Been looking at getting a USB controller.

Been looking at the Numark Mixtrack Pro and the Vestax Typhoon
Any suggestions? Thanks

cityboyjim

What sort of power would you get with a 150watt amp going to two 400watt speakers lads.

The_Honeybadger

cityboyjim wrote: »

What sort of power would you get with a 150watt amp going to two 400watt speakers lads.

What model amp and speakers are you talking about? Are the speakers 400w program or 400w rms? Is the amp 150 per channel at 4 or 8 ohms resistance? There are far too many variables to answer your question properly. Also the various speaker brands vary in sensitivity, a 400w speaker of a certain make and model could be alot louder than a 400w speaker made by another manufacturer, watts are a fairly meaningless way of measuring it.

Generally speaking however a 150w amp going into a 400w speaker is badly underpowered, asking for trouble, get a bigger amp or smaller speakers!

frozenfrozen

cityboyjim wrote: »

What sort of power would you get with a 150watt amp going to two 400watt speakers lads.

Take the advice given in the other thread. I suggested against getting that setup and going for powered speakers instead.

150watt amp with 400watt speakers is like trying to drive a nissan micra at 180 miles an hour. Your amp will blow, or your speakers will just not get enough power to do anything

magicianz

Right so I'm looking at starting some bedroom DJ'ing. I've been messing around on laptop alone with programs and I just enjoy it too much. I've messed around with some of my mate's decks and its something I just need practice at to be honest.....So I'm in the market for a cheapish controller. While I have savings put aside for this, I'd prefer to spend nothing more than around 350-400 if possible. I would just like a single unit like the http://www.thomann.de/ie/native_instruments_traktor_kontrol_s2.htm.

Does anyone have any personal recommendations on what to look at?

GregSlates

magicianz wrote: »

Right so I'm looking at starting some bedroom DJ'ing. I've been messing around on laptop alone with programs and I just enjoy it too much. I've messed around with some of my mate's decks and its something I just need practice at to be honest.....So I'm in the market for a cheapish controller. While I have savings put aside for this, I'd prefer to spend nothing more than around 350-400 if possible. I would just like a single unit like the http://www.thomann.de/ie/native_instruments_traktor_kontrol_s2.htm.

Does anyone have any personal recommendations on what to look at?

Thing with buying off Thomann is you only get to look before you buy
Try these guys, they have them on display so you can sample and get a feel for it all.
http://aquariussound.ie/
In the digital Dj section on the left of the page they have all the controllers and they are actually CHEAPER than thomann with everything and FREE delivery
Good luck with it

GregSlates

Rochey18 wrote: »

Been looking at getting a USB controller.

Been looking at the Numark Mixtrack Pro and the Vestax Typhoon
Any suggestions? Thanks

Numark Mixtrack Pro is a good little kit but no sound cards at that price, still they sound good, also nic at that price range is :
http://aquariussound.ie/index.php?page=shop.product_details&flypage=flypage.tpl&product_id=432&category_id=40&option=com_virtuemart&Itemid=2

and also
http://aquariussound.ie/index.php?page=shop.product_details&flypage=flypage.tpl&product_id=413&category_id=99&option=com_virtuemart&Itemid=2

gavindowd

Hi guys,

I'm selling 2 American Audio CDI 300 MP3 Players and a Gemini PS828x 4 - Channel Mixer

Perfect for begginers...

http://www.adverts.ie/mp3-and-cd-players/2-american-audio-cdi-300-mp3-and-gemini-ps828x/

Mahogany

I would appreciate if someone could tell me if this site is legit or not, found an absolute steal if it is!

http://voseos.com/geminidjcdmp7000multidisccdplayer_p2119.html#show

was.deevey

I would appreciate if someone could tell me if this site is legit or not, found an absolute steal if it is!

1. 99% Probably a Scam

2. Even if its legit, its not really a "steal" .. the Gemini Stuff has alot of features for the money, but reliability is close to Zero.

3. Factor in the shipping from China

4. Factor in you get a warrantied unit for under 500 euro from Amazon (legit).

I would consider their separate CDJ-700's for home use only, but putting all your eggs in one basket with an all-in-one unit ? .. dodgy dodgy.

Oh yeah .. and its probably a scam

Eoinzy123

Hey guys, was looking to get a usb dj controller for mixing at home and MAYBE mixing at a mates party the odd time. Budget of about €100 anyone got an idea?

Cheers

The_Honeybadger

Eoinzy123 wrote: »

Hey guys, was looking to get a usb dj controller for mixing at home and MAYBE mixing at a mates party the odd time. Budget of about €100 anyone got an idea?

Cheers

With that budget forget about buying new, all you'll get is plastic rubbish. You could get a used numark USB controller or if you are lucky a hercules rmx for €100. Best you can do unless you up the budget significantly.

The rmx would be my pick, steel chassis, built in sound card and a very reliable all around unit.

Eoinzy123

mickeyk wrote: »

With that budget forget about buying new, all you'll get is plastic rubbish. You could get a used numark USB controller or if you are lucky a hercules rmx for €100. Best you can do unless you up the budget significantly.

The rmx would be my pick, steel chassis, built in sound card and a very reliable all around unit.

I found a Hercules dj4 set for €100 on adverts, parts seem a bit sturdier too.

The_Honeybadger

Eoinzy123 wrote: »

I found a Hercules dj4 set for €100 on adverts, parts seem a bit sturdier too.

There is an rmx as well priced at 130 but looks like he'd take 105-110 or thereabouts. That is what I'd go for if you can stretch to that.

was.deevey

+1 on the RMX, its an absolute tank of a controller and oodles of inputs/outputs and a decent enough (and loud) sound card.

I found a Hercules dj4 set for €100 on adverts, parts seem a bit sturdier too.

Ugh! The 4set is only 160 euro brand new from Thomann, so 100 is certainly not really a bargain being used and all. And it feels like cheap junk in comparison to the RMX which is built to feel like a proper DJ mixer.

SamAK

I've been using a laptop and controller for the last year or so, it was my introduction to dj'ing and intended for testing the water and seeing if I actually was interested in the whole mixing thing.

Turns out, i'm into it like a tramp is into buckfast, and so am urgently seeking to upgrade to vinyl! It's high time I got my act together and learned the trade completely by ear, rather than surfing on waveforms and setting cue-points!

Yes, I know about 1210's, and believe me, I W-A-N-T them very much. But, paying 600 euro+ for a clean pair is just not an option while i'm a 'powered by the dole' student.

So, any vinyl heads had any experience with cheaper direct drive alternatives? Stanton, Numark, Vestax, Gemini etc...something that could be acquired second hand for anything up to 250-300 quid, or therabouts.

I'm into club stuff, techno and house mainly. Along the lines of the Boiler Room series and all that..

Again, I know about Technics, and their reputation. But at the moment, not an option!

Cheers :-)

was.deevey

Occasionally you'll find deals on Vestax - PDT-2000's, PDT-4000's, PDT-5000's, A1, A1S, A2, turntables for around 350 on ebay (which are actually better than 1210's in numerous ways). I owned a pair of A2's for years and really regretted selling them.

In the "pro" dept thats what I reckon are definitely the best value for money.

If you can't afford to wait around till a pair crops up, search for gemini PT2000's they are decent enough and pretty much a 1:1 match for technics barring the build quality - they are really only any use for home usage though.

Occasionally the odd Technics will come up in Adverts for not-so-silly money, I bought a single one a few years back for 100 euro in PWO

Again depends if you are willing to wait for a deal.

milltown

If you're patient you can land a pair of Technics for @2-300. Bargain basement Technics deals are more likely to show up on Donedeal IMO. I got a pair last year for €220. They needed a bit of TLC, new RCA leads soldered in, new styli and a good clean but the fundamentals are grand. Owner had emigrated and his folks just wanted rid of them. They thought they were worth a bit more but I was probably helped by the fact that they had made a few typos in the ad which made them hard to search for, so the phone wasn't ringing off the hook
Try some alternative spellings when you search DD is my advice.

Highcontrast1

I learnt on a pair of st 8s. Was a pro on them. Got my first gig, played on technics and it was a nightmare. For home mixing any turntable will do , but if you want to go pro - get technics. During my time as a DJ 1200s were club standard. Don't know about now though.
save your cash for the technics that will last you a lifetime imo.

SamAK

mickeyk wrote: »

With that budget forget about buying new, all you'll get is plastic rubbish.

First bit of Dj gear I ever bought was a 100 euro Behringer BCD3000 controller, two years old now, faders are starting to go, knobs come off if you get too frisky with it and it's a bit(very) sticky but she has served me well at dozens of impromptu house sessions. I learned a hell of a lot with it..

Definitely plastic rubbish but reliable plastic rubbish. Built-in soundcard was worse than awful though, so I got a Traktor Audio 2 as well.

She'll be getting the boot soon when I finally take the plunge with a set of turny-tables, so I think a viking burial would be appropriate, set it on fire and lob it in the Shannon

Aaah, the good times we shared!

SamAK

Thanks for the replies lads!

I always get the standard response whenever Technics are mentioned - don't buy anything else!

Well, I know I said earlier that they were completely out of my reach for now....BUT....

It seems that i've acquired funds in the form of an early Christmas present, so guess what i'm now in the market for?? :-D


There's a pair of mk2's in a cash converter place just down the road, they have 500 on them but they've been there for at least six months. I offered 400 a while back(just testing the water) and they said yes...I think I could possibly even knock another 50 off that price...

Realistically, 350 for the pair..No idea of condition, they work but i'm ignorant as to the in's and out's of 1210s....anything really obvious that I should be looking for, fault-wise?

Just the bare-bones, no mixer, dust-covers, cases, cartridges or stylus included.

Any opinions? I wouldn't complain if I could get them for 175 each..not bad at all.

was.deevey

Good deal

1. Check the Tonearm for Obvious Damage
2. Check the Tonearm bearings - set the weight so the tonearm floats, turn anti skate to 0, flick it gently left and right and make sure its not getting stuck in one place.
3. Check anti skate - with the weight balancing the tonearm turn the anti skate dial to 0 and if its still pulling towards the center the spring might be busted (easy fix).
3. Check the Pitch is not jumping - set it to Zero and the dots look like they stop at the red light, move slightly out of this position and they should slowly start to increase / decrease in speed, make sure they aren't jumping.
4. Check for obvious wear on the cables.
5. See if they come with headshells and Carts
6. Check the Popup Target Light
7. Check the power switches are working
8. Check stop/start is working
9. Check 45/33 is working

For all the above there is fixes and spare parts available though so if the pitch is iffy factor in a few bob for a new pitch control + labour.

Busted Tonearms are probably the worst damage a technics thats actually spinning is likely to sustain and even then you "can" generally get them to a state they will probably play fine without shelling out alot of $.

If you can - bring a few vinyls, if they can left you plug them into the phono input of a stereo or mixer to test that the left/right channels are working all the better, but even then probably as easy as replacing the cables or new cart/stylus

SamAK

Update

So, after getting the christmas shopping out of the way, I strolled up to cash encounters for a drool, and left with the MK2's for 300 quid. Had great fun carrying both halfway across town in the dark and freezing sleet, heavy beasts. I can't remember the last time I felt like I really got this much value for money, exceptionally well made yokes, tank-like in fact. Good deal, as far as I can tell..although I haven't mixed with them yet, need styli!

1. No obvious tonearm damage, except on one deck, where the whole thing had rotated clockwise slightly in its mount, so the whole arm was tilted to the right a bit, a gentle twist anti-clockwise and it was level again. But still, something to investigate further?

2. Tonearm bearings - both arms float nicely with no resistance at all, and always return to the extreme right with anti-skate at 0.

3. Check anti skate - No problems adjusting both arms with no float either way.

4. Check the Pitch is not jumping - Big dots on both platters are static at zero, and seem pretty smooth..

5. Check for obvious wear on the cables - all good here, power lead on one deck is only 6 inches long!(maybe they were permanently installed in cases or something?)

6. Head-shells and Carts - Came with KAM heads+Carts, with two styli(both needles completely knackered )

7. Both popup target lights are not working

8. Power switches, stop/start and 45/33 all working...and feel lovely, nice and crisp..


Played one deck for an hour or so at a mates with his needle, no problems, no skipping, all seemed well..

I'm kind of wondering about the tonearm thing, because the height adjust on that deck seems to be seized too, can't adjust it for now anyway...no problem with the other one. Haven't played anything on it yet..

Many thanks for the input everyone, especially was.deevey, nice one for the checklist, really helped!

milltown

Nice result. Well wear.
One other thing to check on the pitch adjustment; the quartz lock will turn on at 0% (green light comes on) and hold the speed at 33 or 45. Check when you move the pitch up or down that it doesn't have a second zero point, where the big dots stop moving again. If you do, that's the actual zero on the pitch slider. There's an adjustment on the pitch circuit board to correct it and plenty of vids on Youtube to talk you through it.

was.deevey

Many thanks for the input everyone, especially was.deevey, nice one for the checklist, really helped!

No Worries Mate, sounds like you got a hella deal! nice one.

I'm kind of wondering about the tonearm thing, because the height adjust on that deck seems to be seized too, can't adjust it for now anyway...no problem with the other one. Haven't played anything on it yet..

Could be flight case damage or just given a knock at some point, might related to the height adjust although doubt it somehow if the bearings are alright (normally the first sign of flight case damage is the upper bearings)..

Most of the time if thats seized up its just a case of crud buildup being left in a single position over time, or someone had it screwed up/down so far its hit the end of the threads - a small amount of WD40 on these threads (really small amount!) and a throw a dishtowel around the height adjust ring to get a better grip might just do the trick to get her unlocked.

Highcontrast1

great deal. You can't go wrong with technics. Every part is replaceable. Nothing like vinyl crackle. Vinyl has this warmth in clubs - I don't know how to explain it!

SamAK

was.deevey wrote: »

Most of the time if thats seized up its just a case of crud buildup being left in a single position over time, or someone had it screwed up/down so far its hit the end of the threads

Yep did some searching online and found a really good series of 1210 service videos on Youtube by viperfrank, quite a straightforward job to get into the height adjust rings, clean out the threads and re-lube...old, hardened grease is normally what makes it stick.

The seized one is set to exactly 3.5, so I may get away with not fixing it for now...i'll find out when I get new carts.


Also have to replace the target bulbs, hopefully an easy-peasy job.

SamAK

milltown wrote: »

Check when you move the pitch up or down that it doesn't have a second zero point, where the big dots stop moving again. If you do, that's the actual zero on the pitch slider. There's an adjustment on the pitch circuit board to correct it and plenty of vids on Youtube to talk you through it.

Checked, and big dots only go static at exactly zero on both decks.

fuzzydunlop85

Hi lads, hoping to get back into djin after a long absence. Just got a new power amp/speakers, hooked it up and everything seems ok , except no sound! I cant see any problem with amp or speakers,I'm assuming has gone AWOL with my ancient vestex mixer(first time used in about 6years). Looking to get something for about 200 euro max, any suggestions?

fuzzydunlop85

Also my cousin has givin me a load of his Stanton c324's to use with a view to me buying them, looking 400 euro for the pair, they are 2years old. Do you reckon this is an ok deal?

was.deevey

Also my cousin has givin me a load of his Stanton c324's to use with a view to me buying them, looking 400 euro for the pair, they are 2years old. Do you reckon this is an ok deal?

I wouldn't pay more than 300 euro for them based on being able to get a pair from the US for around 90ea + shipping + tax

Zascar

edit i'm wrong

SamAK

fuzzydunlop85 wrote: »

Hi lads, hoping to get back into djin after a long absence. Looking to get something for about 200 euro max, any suggestions?

I'm also keeping an eye out for a mixer to go with my recently purchased Technics, and had this Pioneer as my start point -

http://www.thomann.de/ie/pioneer_djm_250_k.htm

I'll keep looking around, might get something interesting second hand but seeing as Pioneer has cemented itself as a brand you can rely on, I don't think i'd be disappointed, for the price..

no onboard FX(just a filter) and only two channels but that's all I need as long as there's an AUX input for laptop soundcards!

No booth out either, if you were needing that sort of thing.

milltown

SamAK wrote: »

I'm also keeping an eye out for a mixer to go with my recently purchased Technics, and had this Pioneer as my start point -

http://www.thomann.de/ie/pioneer_djm_250_k.htm

I'll keep looking around, might get something interesting second hand but seeing as Pioneer has cemented itself as a brand you can rely on, I don't think i'd be disappointed, for the price..

no onboard FX(just a filter) and only two channels but that's all I need as long as there's an AUX input for laptop soundcards!

No booth out either, if you were needing that sort of thing.

If you want to buy new I can vouch for the 250. I have mine a year and it does everything I need from it. I have two 1200s going into it and the faders and EQs are spot on. The filters are a bit harsh tbh. Nothing like the analog filters on the A&H mixers but if you learn to drop the channel faders about 20% before using them they can be useful. There's 2 or 3 auxillary channels around the mic input alright. How much use these are for mixing I couldn't tell you. I only use them the odd time to plug in the iPod or laptop if there's a mix or podcast I want to hear over proper speakers.

Booth out? Not sure it's a deal breaker for anyone at this price but there are two master outs, although they don't have independent level controls. Surely most monitors have their own controls?

SamAK

milltown wrote: »

Booth out? Not sure it's a deal breaker for anyone at this price but there are two master outs, although they don't have independent level controls. Surely most monitors have their own controls?

I'd guess that active speakers defo have their own control, not sure about passive....

Yeah this is a home mixer really, i'm not exactly going to be connecting to a club system anytime soon...and seeing as you have one. how do the faders feel? Was browsing forums and saw someone commenting that the 250 is a battle/scratch mixer and as a result the faders have very little resistance...

I was also looking at the Allen&Heath Xone 22....anyone know anything about them? Are they worth the extra 75 quid?

was.deevey

The xone is a really nice mixer, built like a tank sounds awesome and will last forever - only gripe anyone really has with them is the filters tend to pop a bit when engaged (all analogue circuitry).