New Government

Reganovski

http://www.rte.ie/news/2011/0306/programme_for_national_government.pdf

Not a good sign for Government to have a spelling mistake on Page 1 of their document!

dxhound2005

Could be excused in the circumstances. There would have been very little time for proof reading. People make mistakes.

starbelgrade

It looks suspiciously like a five point plan.

FearDark

This isnt about dolphins.

El Weirdo

starbelgrade wrote: »

It looks suspiciously like a load of old bollocks.

FYP

Captain_Generic

FearDark wrote: »

This isnt about dolphins.

They didn't do it on porpoise

Killer Pigeon

It's a fusion of left & right wing policies, looks like something Fianna Fáil would have conjured up.

orourkeda

They conveniently left out the bit where the country will go bankrupt on their clock.

Killer Pigeon

orourkeda wrote: »

They conveniently left out the bit where the country will go bankrupt on their clock.

Fianna Fáil already did that.

m@cc@

Reganovski wrote: »

http://www.rte.ie/news/2011/0306/programme_for_national_government.pdf

Not a good sign for Government to have a spelling mistake on Page 1 of their document!

I don't think grammar was so much a concern with previous government so much as gross incompetence, dishonesty and greed.

starbelgrade

I haven't read the whole thing yet, but there are some interesting parts to it.

A reduction in the VAT rate is a good idea - for both consumers and businesses.

And if you can read between the lines & have some business skills, it's pretty easy to see what areas are going to be good in terms of focusing in on where the capital grants are going to be.

And no mention of "Metro North". Ha ha... fuck you Green Party.

ejmaztec

Same sh1t, different government.

Alter-Ego

Looks like they're going to be doing a lot of "Loading..." in government. :pac:

Killer Pigeon

starbelgrade wrote: »

I haven't read the whole thing yet, but there are some interesting parts to it.

A reduction in the VAT rate is a good idea - for both consumers and businesses.

And if you can read between the lines & have some business skills, it's pretty easy to see what areas are going to be good in terms of focusing in on where the capital grants are going to be.

And no mention of "Metro North". Ha ha... fuck you Green Party.

Seems to me that the Purple Shirts are going to be very pro start-up, small and medium size businesses. Which is great! Liking the Strategic Investment Bank idea.

brianthebard

starbelgrade wrote: »

I haven't read the whole thing yet, but there are some interesting parts to it.

A reduction in the VAT rate is a good idea - for both consumers and businesses.

That's a reduction in the 13.5% rate, but you will probably be buying far more items on the top rate which they have pledged 'not to raise above 23%', the figure which FF had already committed the state to reach by 2014 anyways.
'Reviewing' the USC is a very weak means of brushing it under the carpet, I don't expect much change there.

Sheeps

Removing blasphemy from the Constitution

cool beans

ejmaztec

Sheeps wrote: »

cool beans

Reported for blasphemy.:(

galwayrush

I don't care if they can't spell as long as their maths skills are better than FF's

Killer Pigeon

galwayrush wrote: »

I don't care if they can't spell as long as their maths skills are better than FF's

DeValera had a degree in maths but he f*cked up the economy back in his time.

Cookie_Monster

Labour in charge of public sector reform = nothing changing.

Labour will not go up against SIPTU, they're just different sides of the same coin. But at least Joan Brutal didn't get the finance job

bmarley

Any thing in their plans for helping home owners?

gcgirl

bmarley wrote: »

Any thing in their plans for helping home owners?

like what ?
make people who were not foolish enough to buy a house at an extravagant price help you pay your mortgage?

Bullseye1

gcgirl wrote: »

like what ?
make people who were not foolish enough to buy a house at an extravagant price help you pay your mortgage?

Hasn't this post been posted like a million times? LOL

galwayrush

gcgirl wrote: »

like what ?
make people who were not foolish enough to buy a house at an extravagant price help you pay your mortgage?

Most buyers bought bcause they wanted a home, they did not set the prices, those people did not have a choice at the time regarding the prices.

brianthebard

Killer Pigeon wrote: »

DeValera had a degree in maths but he f*cked up the economy back in his time.

No he didn't.

Shulgin

gcgirl wrote: »

like what ?
make people who were not foolish enough to buy a house at an extravagant price help you pay your mortgage?

Howsabout we help people in trouble? It's not as simple as you make it out to be. Compassion will go a long way in the next year or 2.

gcgirl

possible
why would any one pay a Killiney Price to live in Rathnew

Bullseye1

gcgirl wrote: »

possible
why would any one pay a Killiney Price to live in Rathnew

Because Killiney prices also went up substantially and when could you ever buy a three bed semi in killiney for $350,000? That and the government bought into the whole property debacle by dropping income tax and relying on property based taxes like stamp duty.

squod

galwayrush wrote: »

I don't care if they can't spell as long as their maths skills are better than FF's

Their' maths skills were excellent and getting you to pay Anglo's bills was a stroke of pure genius.

gcgirl

Shulgin wrote: »

Howsabout we help people in trouble? It's not as simple as you make it out to be. Compassion will go a long way in the next year or 2.

I've already been cut to the bone up to now
Getting a mortgage IS a life long commitment
People bought not one but 2/3/4 property's
without thinking about long term plans to pay mortgage
if the bubble went belly up

ejmaztec

Killer Pigeon wrote: »

DeValera had a degree in maths but he f*cked up the economy back in his time.

They didn't give him the degree as he insisted on answering every question with an answer based on subtraction and division. Unfortunately, addition and multiplication was beyond him.:(

gcgirl

Bullseye1 wrote: »

Because Killiney prices also went up substantially and when could you ever buy a three bed semi in killiney for $350,000? That and the government bought into the whole property debacle by dropping income tax and relying on property based taxes like stamp duty.

Sorry you did not understand what i said
Basically in Rathnew (not far from where i live the price of houses were up to the 1M mark from 360,000) madness
No Where near Dublin(45min drive)

Killer Pigeon

So guys, how are we going to overthrow the FG/Labour government?

Any takers?

galwayrush

Killer Pigeon wrote: »

So guys, how are we going to overthrow the FG/Labour government?

Any takers?

I think they deserve a chance to actually form the Government first...:pac::pac:

gcgirl

Starting next Saturday KP
Working out a plan to drive Lucinda Potty first

Bullseye1

gcgirl wrote: »

Sorry you did not understand what i said
Basically in Rathnew (not far from where i live the price of houses were up to the 1M mark from 360,000) madness
No Where near Dublin(45min drive)

I dont recall reading about 1 million euro houses in Rathnew, certainly not in housing estates.

Shulgin

gcgirl wrote: »

I've already been cut to the bone up to now
Getting a mortgage IS a life long commitment
People bought not one but 2/3/4 property's
without thinking about long term plans to pay mortgage
if the bubble went belly up

Everyone was sold a lie, even speculators who bought 2/3/4 properties.

gcgirl

Bullseye1 wrote: »

I dont recall reading about 1 million euro houses in Rathnew, certainly not in housing estates.

Burkeen
you get a jacoozy in the back yard while down the road in seaview heights someone farts in a paddle pool to get the same experience

gcgirl

Shulgin wrote: »

Everyone was sold a lie, even speculators who bought 2/3/4 properties.

more people SHOULD LISTEN TO ME

I predicted all this would happen in 05

Jesus Wept

Fine Gabour.
Load of nonsense, politics is a joke.

Killer Pigeon

gcgirl wrote: »

Starting next Saturday KP
Working out a plan to drive Lucinda Potty first

We need some sort of an alliance to overthrow them, should we join up with Fianna Fáil, I mean they are the biggest party in opposition and we need strong support.

gcgirl

Killer Pigeon wrote: »

We need some sort of an alliance to overthrow them, should we join up with Fianna Fáil, I mean they are the biggest party in opposition and we need strong support.

Joining up with FF would be like Vampires teaming up with Werewolves
(I'm a vanpire;))

Killer Pigeon

gcgirl wrote: »

Joining up with FF would be like Vampires teaming up with Werewolves
(I'm a vanpire;))

But my enemy's enemy is my friend ... and all that jazz.

Killer Pigeon

brianthebard wrote: »

No he didn't.

Yes he did.

<Providing an equally convincing argument>

Shulgin

gcgirl wrote: »

more people SHOULD LISTEN TO ME

I predicted all this would happen in 05

But there is no point punishing people now who fell for the ultimate trap. We need to dismantle this whole debt/imaginary money system and move on. Otherwise it will just happen again and again, each time getting worse.

Killer Pigeon

Shulgin wrote: »

But there is no point punishing people now who fell for the ultimate trap. We need to dismantle this whole debt/imaginary money system and move on. Otherwise it will just happen again and again, each time getting worse.

So what you want to do ... default.

gcgirl

Shulgin wrote: »

But there is no point punishing people now who fell for the ultimate trap. We need to dismantle this whole debt/imaginary money system and move on. Otherwise it will just happen again and again, each time getting worse.

It happened in the 80's only difference this time was the size of personal debt
4 yrs ago your bank manager appeared out of a poof of smoke saying ''oh your in equity with your house woundn't you love a range rover in your drive'' !

Shulgin

Killer Pigeon wrote: »

So what you want to do ... default.

Its much bigger than defaulting. Returning to a monetary system that is actually backed by something real. Not all this fake debt disguised as money. I know it sounds far fetched, but it is what ultimately needs to be done.

Lots of outside the box thinking required.

Killer Pigeon

Shulgin wrote: »

Its much bigger than defaulting. Returning to a monetary system that is actually backed by something real. Not all this fake debt disguised as money. I know it sounds far fetched, but it is what ultimately needs to be done.

Lots of outside the box thinking required.

So you're a commie.

ilovesleep

gcgirl wrote: »

I've already been cut to the bone up to now
Getting a mortgage IS a life long commitment
People bought not one but 2/3/4 property's
without thinking about long term plans to pay mortgage
if the bubble went belly up

Anyone I know who bought, bought one - for a home. And then there are a load of young adults under 30s, including myself, in my area who never bought. I know it would be hard to believe but not everyone bought properties left, right, and centre. People were brainwashed into buying believing that house prices were only going to go up. It would have made sense for some people to buy because rents were so high and at the time a mortgage would have been cheaper. Their reasoning would probably be that they would own it after 20/30 years. My heart goes out to those with young families who are struggling now.

I would have no sympathy whatsoever for anyone who bought more than one though. Greed pure and simple

Shulgin

Killer Pigeon wrote: »

So you're a commie.

Not at all.