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johnny_ultimate wrote: »The level design and mechanics of Bulletstorm or Half-Life 2 are most certainly better than Doom. Does that mean we should ignore Doom?
Have to disagree here. I think Doom is still very relavent. Have you played it lately on the PC because it's still an amazing game with amazing level design. There's also no other game out there like it so it has never been bettered. Except by Doom 2.
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Well I thought it would be pretty obvious Link to the Past would be considered the more enjoyable game.
Ocarina wouldn't even make my top ten as much as I love it. I'd take Majoras Mask over it as well.
Anyway anyone that doesn't have Super Metroid in their top ten has lost my respect :P
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I wouldn't say 'it's pretty obvious' at all.
Here's the thing about Ocarina of Time and A Link to the Past that I've picked up from talking to people about the two.
Many people who played A Link to the Past when it came out back in 92 absolutely treasure it as one of the best gaming experiences of their life. (I know I do)
People who were too young to have experienced that first hand but maybe got Ocarina of Time for christmas when they were 10, treasures THAT as one of the best gaming experiences of their life.
The thing about the people in the Ocarina camp is they grew up on 3D games, so more than likely can't appreciate ALTTP in the same way that people who were brought up with sprites can.
A Link to the Past would be in my top 5 games. Ocarina of Time wouldn't even be in my top 20.
I guess its all just down to the person really, which is why these lists are stupid like i've said. Ocarina of time not being in your top 20 is silly tho and i dont believe you
I would have played a link to the past when i was 7 or 8 i guess... a couple of years after release (We weren't rich so new releases were christmas time only
) and i loved it, would have completed it a few times right up until n64 was released.
Ocarina of time was something else tho(Would have been 11-12)... probably the game i remember playing the most as a child tbh. There was so much to do in the game, i spent a long time trying to catch a loach
I wouldnt say i dont appricate ALTTP tho, My first gaming memories would be the orginal mario bros for the nintendo and the legend of zelda... even tho they were released just before i was born.
What age were you when you played both ? Because like you said that is probably the biggest factor when it comes to these sort of things.. like with music and anything else... the games that we have the fondest memories of are those we played as a child.
I rate super mario world + mario 2 (Yeah yeah.. i loved it) over mario 64 (Which i absolutely loved aswel).0 -
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Played a small bit of link to the past when it came out however it wasn't until the GBA version that I owned it so could play it and beat it. I played Ocarina before it and beat it in my friends house when it came out. So I played LttP after Ocarina and much preferred it. Ocarina really is amazing but I've played better games including A link to the Past. Prehaps I've just played more games than you but there's plenty of games I'd put ahead of it despite thinking it is one of the best games ever made and a monumental success.
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Hmm better than Ocarina of Time would be Link to the Past, Super Metroid, F-Zero GX, Bubble Bobble, Puyo Puyo, Mother 3, Earthbound, Gunstar Heroes, Silent Hill 2, Shadow of the Colossus, Gradius V Radiant Silvergun, Street Fighter 3 3rd Strike, Half-Life 2, Panzer Dragoon Saga, Mario Bros 3, R-type, just off the top of my head.
Why I think Ocarina isn't as good as LttP is that Ocarina is a little rough in places. There some parts that don't really work that well although most of the time it works great. It's also a remake of LttP is 3D really. I think that LttP is perfectly designed and one of the few games along with Super Metroid that I can't find any fault in. It does everything Ocarina of time does and does it better in an amazing 2D engine rather than a kind of rough 3D engine. And when I say rough 3D engine I don't mean graphics and asthetics, I mean it's a bit primitive. If you do want to bring graphcis into it then LttP is going to win out there. It's one of the best looking 2D games ever and much better looking than the primitive 3D of Ocarina.
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Retr0gamer wrote: »Hmm better than Ocarina of Time would be Link to the Past, Super Metroid, F-Zero GX, Bubble Bobble, Puyo Puyo, Mother 3, Earthbound, Gunstar Heroes, Silent Hill 2, Shadow of the Colossus, Gradius V Radiant Silvergun, Street Fighter 3 3rd Strike, Half-Life 2, Panzer Dragoon Saga, Mario Bros 3, R-type, just off the top of my head.
Why I think Ocarina isn't as good as LttP is that Ocarina is a little rough in places. There some parts that don't really work that well although most of the time it works great. It's also a remake of LttP is 3D really. I think that LttP is perfectly designed and one of the few games along with Super Metroid that I can't find any fault in. It does everything Ocarina of time does and does it better in an amazing 2D engine rather than a kind of rough 3D engine. And when I say rough 3D engine I don't mean graphics and asthetics, I mean it's a bit primitive. If you do want to bring graphcis into it then LttP is going to win out there. It's one of the best looking 2D games ever and much better looking than the primitive 3D of Ocarina.
Out of all those games you've listed i would only have HL2 ahead of OOT, and not because of the actual game but because of the mods that came with it and for that reason HL1 would be ahead of HL2 aswel. For me OOT is in my top 5, LttP is probably in my top 10 or thereabouts. The rest of those games i wouldn't have in my top 20(Yes i've played most of them)... with the exception of SOTC.
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I guess its all just down to the person really, which is why these lists are stupid like i've said. Ocarina of time not being in your top 20 is silly tho and i dont believe you
It's not and I'll tell you why. When it comes to what people think are the best games ever, there are a lot of unfair factors. Things like media saturation. Obviously lots of people are going to go with big Nintendo titles for example, as Nintendo are a huge company, have huge media saturation and really push their IPs.
There are also things like what other games were out at the same time..maybe there was a lull in that period of gaming for that genre, one game came out and everyone thought it was great. But looking back it's only because it was the only title of that nature so people were somewhat starved.
Were people blinded by the new visuals? When OOT came out, visually it was stunning. And a lot of people saw that and thought, jesus christ! best game ever! purely based on visuals.
It's a great game, there's no denying it. But I think the rose tinted spectacles are coming out for a lot of people who think it's the best game ever made, as it's far from it. I'd agree with Retr0 that most of the games in that list he has mentioned blow it out of the water.I would have played a link to the past when i was 7 or 8 i guess... a couple of years after release (We weren't rich so new releases were christmas time only) and i loved it, would have completed it a few times right up until n64 was released.
I played it first when I was 8 in Christmas 92. I was never the same person again my life was soon to be totally overtaken by playing and collecting videogames. 0 -
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It's not and I'll tell you why. When it comes to what people think are the best games ever, there are a lot of unfair factors. Things like media saturation. Obviously lots of people are going to go with big Nintendo titles for example, as Nintendo are a huge company, have huge media saturation and really push their IPs.
There are also things like what other games were out at the same time..maybe there was a lull in that period of gaming for that genre, one game came out and everyone thought it was great. But looking back it's only because it was the only title of that nature so people were somewhat starved.
Were people blinded by the new visuals? When OOT came out, visually it was stunning. And a lot of people saw that and thought, jesus christ! best game ever! purely based on visuals.
It's a great game, there's no denying it. But I think the rose tinted spectacles are coming out for a lot of people who think it's the best game ever made, as it's far from it. I'd agree with Retr0 that most of the games in that list he has mentioned blow it out of the water.
I played it first when I was 8 in Christmas 92. I was never the same person again my life was soon to be totally overtaken by playing and collecting videogames.
They hardly blow it out of the water lol..... Im not saying those games arent his/your favorite... im saying they're not mine. You're only a year older than me so i doubt you've played many games that i haven't. I KNOW how much i loved OOT, its the one console game that i've probably spent well over 100 hours playing and the one that i can remember almost every inch of the map. Rose tinted or not... it is my favorite and therefore IN MY OPINION (not yours) a top 5 game. Also a LttP is one of my favorites aswel.. im a huge zelda fan, i'd probably have 5 games in my top 20.
I'll have a go with MY top 10
1. HL(1+2) - Although i loved the single player its the MP aspects that make this my #1
2. WoW - I dont care what anyone says, its probably the best made game of all time.. graphics wise its still holding its own after 6 years.
3. OOT - Childhood favorite
4. Brokensword series
5. Super Mario World
6. Deus Ex
7. Age of empires 2 - My introduction to online gaming
8. Super Mario Kart
9. Return to Castle Wolfenstien
10. Diablo II
outside the top 5, theres probably 10-15 other games that could go in the next 5 spots tbh.0 -
They hardly blow it out of the water lol.....
Well, if we're doing the whole 'In my opinion' thing, they do..as it's my opinion
Not saying it's not great, it is, but meh, personally, I'd rather something a bit more interesting. It just the same old Zelda formula, this time in 3D. It's already been done perfectly before in ALTTP.You're only a year older than me so i doubt you've played many games that i haven't.
I'm not doubting that you've played lots of games. I just know I've played lots in the last 20 years (I have somewhere between 600-1000 in my games room..I've lost count!) which puts me in a pretty good position to say 'hey, you're missing X game from your list' when I see these 'BEST GAME EVAR' things popping up.I KNOW how much i loved OOT, its the one console game that i've probably spent well over 100 hours playing and the one that i can remember almost every inch of the map. Rose tinted or not... it is my favorite and therefore IN MY OPINION (not yours) a top 5 game. Also a LttP is one of my favorites aswel.. im a huge zelda fan, i'd probably have 5 games in my top 20.
When it comes to 'in my opinion' lists, you can have anything you want. I'm not disputing that. Hell, someone could have Tomb Raider in the number 1 spot because of all the good fappage memories from when they were 16. Whatever floats their boat...it is their opinion and taste afterall.
I was coming at OOT from a 'BEST GAME EVAR, IN THE WORLD, NOT PERSONAL OPINION, BUT FACT!' view which you see on a lot of gaming sites. It's topped a lot of lists. Which I think is just extremely misguided.I'll have a go with MY top 10
1. HL(1+2) - Although i loved the single player its the MP aspects that make this my #1
2. WoW - I dont care what anyone says, its probably the best made game of all time.. graphics wise its still holding its own after 6 years.
3. OOT - Childhood favorite
4. Brokensword series
5. Super Mario World
6. Deus Ex
7. Age of empires 2 - My introduction to online gaming
8. Super Mario Kart
9. Return to Castle Wolfenstien
10. Diablo II
outside the top 5, theres probably 10-15 other games that could go in the next 5 spots tbh.
You do have some great games in there. The original HL would be my favourite FPS of all time. As far as platformers go, I'd be stuck between Super Mario World and Super Mario 3.0 -
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Well, if we're doing the whole 'In my opinion' thing, they do..as it's my opinion
Not saying it's not great, it is, but meh, personally, I'd rather something a bit more interesting. It just the same old Zelda formula, this time in 3D. It's already been done perfectly before in ALTTP.
In fairness... it was still a newish formula when OOT was releasedI'm not doubting that you've played lots of games. I just know I've played lots in the last 20 years (I have somewhere between 600-1000 in my games room..I've lost count!) which puts me in a pretty good position to say 'hey, you're missing X game from your list' when I see these 'BEST GAME EVAR' things popping up.
I am very much the same mate, although i've had to sell/throw out alot of my PS1/2 games because of the space they take up !!When it comes to 'in my opinion' lists, you can have anything you want. I'm not disputing that. Hell, someone could have Tomb Raider in the number 1 spot because of all the good fappage memories from when they were 16. Whatever floats their boat...it is their opinion and taste afterall.
I was coming at OOT from a 'BEST GAME EVAR, IN THE WORLD, NOT PERSONAL OPINION, BUT FACT!' view which you see on a lot of gaming sites. It's topped a lot of lists. Which I think is just extremely misguided.
I never take those lists any more than one persons opinion, its good to see what have as they're favorite games but theres never really a "Greatest game ever".You do have some great games in there. The original HL would be my favourite FPS of all time. As far as platformers go, I'd be stuck between Super Mario World and Super Mario 3.
Im actually a bit wierd in that i prefered Super Mario 2 over 3 Although i'd agree that the 3rd is a better game in general. 0 -
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Well I wasn't taking it from a personal opinion perspective, I was trying to be a bit more subjective. It's like how for me Super Metroid is what I would consider the greatest game ever made. Everything just came together with it to make something as close to perfect as gaming will ever get. However in my own personal list I'd have Mother 3 or panzer dragoon saga ahead of it. Those games aren't the gaming perfection of Super Metroid but as a big JRPG fan and while playing them they had a huge emotional effect on me.
I think LttP does everything OoT does better but it's fair for you to say that you got a whole lot more out of OoT. There's really not much difference between how great those two games are. There's those that would argue that Twilight Princess is better since it's OoT but better looking.
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Well you could say that the 3rd dimension brought a few new things to OoT but I'd argue that the game wasn't entirely successful. I felt LttP controlled better and as a result played better. Dungeon design was better and consistently brilliant while OoT stumbled at times with the water temple and Lens of Truth temples being a bit duff. The stealth section in the desert was also a slog. LttP for me is consistently amazing and well paced while OoT for how amazing it is has a few points in the game where the action slows down, the controls let it down a little or some sections that aren't as well designed as the rest of the game. That's why when I say LttP does everything OoT does but better I mean it's the same formula as OoT but done better and why I think it's the better game.
I'd probably take Majora's Mask over OoT as well just for how good the story was and how wildly ambtious it is, there's nothing else like it. I'd have to think about that one though.
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It's a tough one. I think Mother 3 is the best RPG I've ever played and has one of the best stories of any game. I haven't been as emotionally invested in a game ever. The damn thing nearly brought me to tears. The writing in that game is just genius, there's a interview with the writer of it that I was reading where the interviewer teared up when he remembered the ending, it will do that to you It's also backed up with amazng 2D visuals, music and some of the best RPG battle mechanics since Persona 3 and 4. It's also a hugely satidfying conclusion to the series. I haven't enjoyed a game more than I enjoyed Mother 3. So on a personal level Mother 3 is my favourite game ever.
On the other hand I still think Super Metroid is the better designed game. It's a perfectly made 8-12 hour game that I can't find any fault in but is so perfectly designed that you can go back to it and speed run and sequence break it. Personally though, it didn't have the emotional effect on me that Mother 3 had and that means more to my own personal list.
If I was to do a list of the best games ever made though that wasn't subjective then Super Metroid would be topping that.
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Retr0gamer wrote: »It's a perfectly made 8-12 hour game
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i preferred wind waker to OoT
dunno, I just loved the feel of the game and the boat and such 0 -
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