threat to blockade the whole of Ireland

freighter

alanclarke1975 wrote: »

Huh?

And the rest should head off to the politics forums?

Heard John Mc on the Last word with Matt Cooper, Conor F from the AA was also on.

Conor F made a good point. That the cost of fuel is actually so high that the revenue is probably getting reduced, thanks to Hauliers going out of business, People not driving as much as they used to etc.

He maintained that if the price was to come down, more of it would sell and the revenue would be up...

What do you mean by thankfully hauliers going out of business. If you walked into a shop and every shelf was empty would you be satisfied then??

-Chris-

alanclarke1975 wrote: »

Huh?

And the rest should head off to the politics forums?

Quite possibly. It's hard to see where a thread about a trucker blockade starts and a thread about taxation, unfair government and fuel retailers' business models ends. I guess we'll have to suck it and see!

-Chris-

freighter wrote: »

What do you mean by thankfully hauliers going out of business. If you walked into a shop and every shelf was empty would you be satisfied then??

There's a big difference between "thanks to" and "thankfully"...

slimjimmc

freighter wrote: »

What do you mean by thankfully hauliers going out of business. If you walked into a shop and every shelf was empty would you be satisfied then??

Re-read please.
He said thanks to (aka because) hauliers going out of business, revenue is going down. If prices were lower those hauliers may have survived and still be buying tank-loads of heavily taxed fuel.

alanclarke1975

Cool yer jets.

The point i was trying to make , and what Conor F from the AA was trying to make, was that the reasoning for reducing the fuel costs was a valid one, even at the simpliest level. Reduce it - reverse the carbon tax BS and bring Fuel down - so that Food/Clothes/Goods dont get too expensive.

That it will help protect jobs - directly- Road Haulage.
Indirectly - Retail Sector...


I understand the need for Hauliers in this country of ours and that if they do go out of business its because the new Government is not much better than the last....

freighter

alanclarke1975 wrote: »

Cool yer jets.

The point i was trying to make , and what Conor F from the AA was trying to make, was that the reasoning for reducing the fuel costs was a valid one, even at the simpliest level. Reduce it - reverse the carbon tax BS and bring Fuel down - so that Food/Clothes/Goods dont get too expensive.

That it will help protect jobs - directly- Road Haulage.
Indirectly - Retail Sector...


I understand the need for Hauliers in this country of ours and that if they do go out of business its because the new Government is not much better than the last....

Sorry a little pedantic this evening.:)

Big Nasty

Higher fuel costs = Higher transport costs = Higher goods costs = Less spend.

It's in all our interests to reduce or lose the carbon tax. Thinking about it revenue wont loose out at all if they lose the carbon tax as we will all have more expendable income to pay for cheaper goods = more VAT revenue.

alanclarke1975

What kind of support would this blockade get? (Feeble attempt to get back on subject )



Youtube of the Man meeting the new Man in Charge

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JerrIgjty-A

Bullseye1

It should also help reduce inflation which appears to be fuel based.

PaulKK

billyboy01 wrote: »

seriously the new Mopets we recently elected...

Ah the irony!

x in the city

petrol will go up now 2 cents a day for the next month or so...

ah shur, them lybians are messing up the reserves man, what can we do about it...:rolleyes:


I tell you what, we put it up another cent bob....

Limerick Bandit

MCMLXXV wrote: »

Most petrol stations make very small margin on fuel, there money is made with sale of coffee, papers, deli, etc.

If this was true then how could the cheapest place in limerick sell diesel at 1.35 and they sell nothing but diesel and all the other places with shops and food are all around 1.45

bazz26

Limerick Bandit wrote: »

If this was true then how could the cheapest place in limerick sell diesel at 1.35 and they sell nothing but diesel and all the other places with shops and food are all around 1.45

Have you seen the state of the yard that place operates from? They slapped two storage tanks above ground, connected two diesel pumps to them and opperate out of a cabin. Also where do they source their diesel from? It's alot easier to sell it at that low price when you cut corners. Also how good is the quality of their diesel and what possible long term damage could it do to cars. Of course they probably will not be around to care. As soon as their cheap source of diesel runs out they will be gone into the night.

Limerick Bandit

bazz26 wrote: »

Have you seen the state of the yard that place operates from?

ya the yard is nothing fancy but ill only be there 5 minutes :P

They slapped two storage tanks above ground, connected two diesel pumps to them and opperate out of a cabin.

ya the cabin is nothing fancy but ill only be there 5 minutes :P

Also where do they source their diesel from?

I would think it comes in through foynes port with the rest in a big ship?

It's alot easier to sell it at that low price when you cut corners.

What corners are these it is hard to turn right when you come out the gate.

Also how good is the quality of their diesel and what possible long term damage could it do to cars.

people used to have the same sort of attitude towards Aldi and Lidl its cheap so it must be :rolleyes:

Of course they probably will not be around to care. As soon as their cheap source of diesel runs out they will be gone into the night.

Just like the Hauliers?

bazz26

Limerick Bandit wrote: »

I would think it comes in through foynes port with the rest in a big ship?

Most if not all our legit fuel comes from the oil refinery at Whitegate in Cork afaik. Anything solid on where they source their diesel from other than just an assumption?

Limerick Bandit wrote: »

What corners are these it is hard to turn right when you come out the gate.

Ah, putting fuel storage tanks above ground when most forecourts have them put underground.

Limerick Bandit wrote: »

people used to have the same sort of attitude towards Aldi and Lidl its cheap so it must be :rolleyes:

Equally just because something is cheap doesn't make it a bargin. Modern diesel engines are very sensitive and dirty or contaminated fuel will do the engine and injectors serious damage over time. I personally would not risk this for the sake of saving 5c on a litre of diesel.

-Chris-

bazz26 wrote: »

Ah, putting fuel storage tanks above ground when most forecourts have them put underground.

The fuel may come in identically, but I'd be concerned about their storage arrangements based on the description so far.

What measures are being taken to prevent moisture build up if it's above ground?
Is there a biodiesel mix, and if so what quality is the biodiesel they buy (biodiesel's unregulated afaik).
Where exactly are the corners being cut to give this excellent price?

Improper storage of fuel is probably a much bigger concern than "quality" of fuel, seeing as it all comes into the country together.

Limerick Bandit

bazz26 wrote: »

Anything solid on where they source their diesel from other than just an assumption?

Not a notion but then i never said i had.

Ah, putting fuel storage tanks above ground when most forecourts have them put underground.

So what harm dose this do?

Equally just because something is cheap doesn't make it a bargin. Modern diesel engines are very sensitive and dirty or contaminated fuel will do the engine and injectors serious damage over time. I personally would not risk this for the sake of saving 5c on a litre of diesel.

So would you think that by paying the extra 10 or 15c the quality will be better?

Limerick Bandit

-Chris- wrote: »

Improper storage of fuel is probably a much bigger concern than "quality" of fuel, seeing as it all comes into the country together.

They don't store the fuel for long they seem to pump it out as fast as it comes in due to the price.

Idbatterim

the lower road tax for post 08 cars is a joke! make every car E500 or so, the polluter pays principle still applies! those with more thirsty cars, will pay more. When we purchase new cars, alot of the money goes straight back to Japan, Germany etc!

-Corkie-

I was reading on another forum that this protest and blockade is going to happen. What do Dublin people think of this as you will be the ones affected???. Do you think the goverment will listen??

-Chris-

We may as well start a Facebook campaign.

I don't think it will make a difference, the gov't need the money too much.

If their blockade starts having an impact on my life I'll be down there telling him to shove his blockade up his hole.

-Corkie-

-Chris- wrote: »

We may as well start a Facebook campaign.

I don't think it will make a difference, the gov't need the money too much.

If their blockade starts having an impact on my life I'll be down there telling him to shove his blockade up his hole.

If all the blockades meant the price of fuel went down would you not support them???.

-Chris-

If it comes down on fuel it'll go up somewhere else.

What would you like to see? 10c less? 20c?

There are more important things to protest about tbh.

-Corkie-

-Chris- wrote: »

If it comes down on fuel it'll go up somewhere else.

What would you like to see? 10c less? 20c?

There are more important things to protest about tbh.

Thats true about other things to protest about but when you are using 4-500 litres a month 10c a litre means a lot.

The Muppet

-Corkie- wrote: »

I was reading on another forum that this protest and blockade is going to happen. What do Dublin people think of this as you will be the ones affected???. Do you think the goverment will listen??

I'd be in favour of it despite the inconvenience, motorists are being rightly screwed at the moment.

billyboy01

Bring it on! The sheep of Ireland need the fury and aggression of the true MEN of IRELAND! ULSTER MEN! Crush the penal laws of the turncoats and traitors in Dublin!

Stop all Economic activity in this State! I salute the Truckers of Ulster!

-Chris-

-Corkie- wrote: »

Thats true about other things to protest about but when you are using 4-500 litres a month 10c a litre means a lot.

Yep, but I'm not answering as a haulier, I'm answering as Chris from Dublin .


Really, dropping the price by 10c equates to a 7% saving on fuel for everyone (including hauliers), but that money will be taken back somewhere else.

If haulier costs go up, goods will cost more for people in the shops.
If hauliers (and everyone else) are "subsidised" during this time of rising oil prices, a different tax will go up, people will have less to spend, and goods will cost relatively more for people in the shops.


Doing a blockade will probably cause a certain amount of scarcity, which inevitably leads the scarce resource becoming more valuable, which (you guessed it) means goods will cost more for people in the shops.


Dropping fuel prices would be a populist move made in order to make things slightly easier (temporarily) on the population, taking pressure off the gov't for change.
There are more important things to attend to which will have a greater long-term effect on our living costs.

That's why I wouldn't support the blockade as it stands.

-Chris-

billyboy01 wrote: »

Bring it on! The sheep of Ireland need the fury and aggression of the true MEN of IRELAND! ULSTER MEN! Crush the penal laws of the turncoats and traitors in Dublin!

Stop all Economic activity in this State! I salute the Truckers of Ulster!

Yeah, stop economic activity, that'll fix the economy!!

:rolleyes:

billyboy01

-Chris- wrote: »

Yeah, stop economic activity, that'll fix the economy!!

:rolleyes:

Yeah it will, as we cant go on with its slowly failing state!

It needs to fail once and for all, and start again!

As it can't be fixed!

-Chris-

billyboy01 wrote: »

Yeah it will, as we cant go on with its slowly failing state!

It needs to fail once and for all, and start again!

As it can't be fixed!

Yeah, fire everyone, close the shops, start again.

And when we turn around, reinvigorated from our "economic nap" and find all the multinationals have left the country and the only people we have left are the Donegal hauliers, what then?