Why Sir Alex?

Melion · 10-03-2011 10:16am #1

Can someone please tell me why Sky seem to forget he has a surname? Anytime he is mentioned its always "Sir Alex", most other managers are addressed by their surnames on SSN.

dreamers75 · 10-03-2011 10:19am

Melion wrote: »

Can someone please tell me why Sky seem to forget he has a surname? Anytime he is mentioned its always "Sir Alex", most other managers are addressed by their surnames on SSN.

English people when they get titles from the queen are always referred to as Sir.

bobbysands81 · 10-03-2011 10:20am

dreamers75 wrote: »

English people when they get titles from the queen are always referred to as Sir.

Alex Ferguson will be astounded to hear he's changed nationality.

Melion · 10-03-2011 10:20am

Why not call him Sir Alex Ferguson when referring to him?

dreamers75 · 10-03-2011 10:24am

bobbysands81 wrote: »

Alex Ferguson will be astounded to hear he's changed nationality.

Oh right ...British titles from the english queen

weiland79 · 10-03-2011 10:26am

Do the media call Bob Geldof 'Sir Bob'?
I don't think so. Smacks of Sky media lick arsery.

bobbysands81 · 10-03-2011 10:26am

Melion wrote: »

Why not call him Sir Alex Ferguson when referring to him?

I'm a "Republican" who is from the "Republic" of Ireland and as such and I don't recognise inbred, sectarian, anti-democratic, out-dated, discriminatory titles such as "Sir".

Melion · 10-03-2011 10:31am

bobbysands81 wrote: »

I'm a "Republican" who is from the "Republic" of Ireland and as such and I don't recognise inbred, sectarian, anti-democratic, out-dated, discriminatory titles such as "Sir".

The out-dated, backwards thinking, childish forum is that way >>>>>>>>>>>>>>

bobbysands81 · 10-03-2011 10:33am

dreamers75 wrote: »

Oh right ...British titles from the english queen

I actually looked up "her" official title the other day and it's... "Elizabeth the Second, by the Grace of God of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland" though Newton Emerson had in the Irish Times yesterday as "Elizabeth the Second, by the Grace of God, of Great Britain, Ireland and the British Dominions beyond the Seas Queen, Defender of the Faith". I note it includes Ireland so maybe she is my Queen as well!"

:D

dahat · 10-03-2011 10:33am

Bobby Robson was referred to as Sir Bobby when he was knighted so it is not just Alex Ferguson they refer to as sir...just the way it is in england..

bobbysands81 · 10-03-2011 10:36am

Melion wrote: »

The out-dated, backwards thinking, childish forum is that way >>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Thanks for that... just giving you a few facts... everything I said was true but I'm out of this thread now - too much politics!

stovelid · 10-03-2011 10:37am

I'm about as bothered as Sir Alex no doubt is.

celticbest · 10-03-2011 10:37am

Melion wrote: »

The out-dated, backwards thinking, childish forum is that way >>>>>>>>>>>>>>

:eek:

bobbysands81 wrote: »

I'm a "Republican" who is from the "Republic" of Ireland and as such and I don't recognise inbred, sectarian, anti-democratic, out-dated, discriminatory titles such as "Sir".

+1.

Why is this in the soccer forum anyway

Why Sir......WHY

Guy:Incognito · 10-03-2011 10:46am

dreamers75 wrote: »

English people when they get titles from the queen are always referred to as Sir.

Sir is only for a knighthood not all titles. ie it's not "Sir " Steven Gerrard.

Guy:Incognito · 10-03-2011 10:47am

bobbysands81 wrote: »

I'm a "Republican" who is from the "Republic" of Ireland and as such and I don't recognise inbred, sectarian, anti-democratic, out-dated, discriminatory titles such as "Sir".

Irony?

10-03-2011 10:48am

dahat wrote: »

Bobby Robson was referred to as Sir Bobby when he was knighted so it is not just Alex Ferguson they refer to as sir...just the way it is in england..

This is true... When referring to a Knight you always use Sir followed by the first name, hence Sir Alex. The opposite is the case when referring to a Lord. If he was a Lord he would be referred to as Lord Ferguson.

Its not an example of Sky or any other media bias, its simply the correct way to speak of a Knight

Nailz · 10-03-2011 11:05am

bobbysands81 wrote: »

I'm a "Republican" who is from the "Republic" of Ireland and as such and I don't recognise inbred, sectarian, anti-democratic, out-dated, discriminatory titles such as "Sir".

How? How? How? And how? They didn't put the knighthoods there for protestants to piss off catholics, it isn't there because the person receiving it hates the Irish or discriminates against any other culture, what's so anti-democratic about it, was Fergie involved in some sort of dictatorship campaign??

OhNoYouDidn't · 10-03-2011 11:08am

Nailz wrote: »

How? How? How? And how? They didn't put the knighthoods there for protestants to piss off catholics, it isn't there because the person receiving it hates the Irish or discriminates against any other culture, what's so anti-democratic about it, was Fergie involved in some sort of dictatorship campaign??

Whats anti-democratic about a monarch for life handing out titles arbitrarily that confer privilige and improved legal status on the recipient?

Whats sectarian about a royal family that prohibit all non-anglicans from being monarch?

Are those serious questions?

lordgoat · 10-03-2011 11:12am

bobbysands81 wrote: »

I'm a "Republican" who is from the "Republic" of Ireland and as such and I don't recognise inbred, sectarian, anti-democratic, out-dated, discriminatory titles such as "Sir".

much like the pseudo republicism/nationalism you see bandied about these days eh?

Awesome thread, you must have gotten in just before x in the city started it.

IvySlayer · 10-03-2011 11:14am

It's a nick name.

OhNoYouDidn't · 10-03-2011 11:15am

101001 wrote: »

This is true... When referring to a Knight you always use Sir followed by the first name, hence Sir Alex. The opposite is the case when referring to a Lord. If he was a Lord he would be referred to as Lord Ferguson.

Its not an example of Sky or any other media bias, its simply the correct way to speak of a Knight

You are from Cork. You should be doing no such thing.

Whatever about Sky, Irish people calling him Sir Alex, or SAF etc is plan bizarre.

Nailz · 10-03-2011 11:17am

Explain an Irishman raised Catholic getting a knightship? I'm talking about that tossbox Geldof.

If one provides a service and somewhat improves that sector in the state, I can't see why anybody can't get any state given award, in any country.

The Muppet · 10-03-2011 11:26am

Sir Alex because that is his title.

Next question Please.

grames_bond · 10-03-2011 11:56am

101001 wrote: »

This is true... When referring to a Knight you always use Sir followed by the first name, hence Sir Alex. The opposite is the case when referring to a Lord. If he was a Lord he would be referred to as Lord Ferguson.

Exactly, it's like Alan Sugar......He was Sir Alan and then Lord Sugar and was adressed as such!

Guy:Incognito · 10-03-2011 11:58am

OhNoYouDidn't wrote: »

You are from Cork. You should be doing no such thing.

Whatever about Sky, Irish people calling him Sir Alex, or SAF etc is plan bizarre.

Irish people gettign so worked up about what other Irish people do that doesnt affect anyone i smore bizaar.

Guy:Incognito · 10-03-2011 12:00pm

Nailz wrote: »

Explain an Irishman raised Catholic getting a knightship? I'm talking about that tossbox Geldof.

If one provides a service and somewhat improves that sector in the state, I can't see why anybody can't get any state given award, in any country.

It's only an issue if it's Irish people talkign about the British Monarchy. Someone getting an equivelant from the US or Spain etc wouldnt be an issue.

bobbysands81 · 10-03-2011 12:01pm

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

Irony?

What's the "irony" mate?

The British monarchy is sectarian, I am not. Do you or any of your "thankers" have the intelligence to debate this?

Look up the meaning of the word Republican.

OhNoYouDidn't · 10-03-2011 12:01pm

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

Irish people gettign so worked up about what other Irish people do that doesnt affect anyone i smore bizaar.

I'm not worked up. Its just strange that Irish people would recognise foreign honorifics like that.

bobbysands81 · 10-03-2011 12:02pm

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

Irish people gettign so worked up about what other Irish people do that doesnt affect anyone i smore bizaar.

Says the guy getting worked up!!!

"irony?"

5starpool · 10-03-2011 12:08pm

I just call him ferguson if I want to be complimentary. I won't state the alternative names I use, but let's just say they don't include his honorific

Benimar · 10-03-2011 12:11pm

I think people have taken the OP up wrong here. If I read it correctly he is asking why the Man Utd manager is referred to as Sir Alex and nor Sir Alex Ferguson. The issue isn't with his title, it's with the 'over familiarity' of the first name basis.

OhNoYouDidn't · 10-03-2011 12:16pm

grames_bond wrote: »

Exactly, it's like Alan Sugar......He was Sir Alan and then Lord Sugar and was adressed as such!

But there must have been more than one Sir Alan at the time. How do you differentiate between them?

I mean do you adress a letter to 'Sir Alan"?

missingtime · 10-03-2011 12:29pm

I like the way dalglish deals with it.

u140acro3xs7dm · 10-03-2011 12:38pm

When they say Sir Alex everyone knows who they are talking about. If you say Steve could be any auld steve. Fergie has been managing Utd longer than sky sports have even existed. Also you can only use 2 words on each manager Sir Alex Ferguson is 3.

10-03-2011 12:40pm

OhNoYouDidn't wrote: »

But there must have been more than one Sir Alan at the time. How do you differentiate between them?

I mean do you adress a letter to 'Sir Alan"?

How to address a Knight Via a letter or Orally

Knight (of any order) Address the letter to Sir Alex Ferguson. The Salutation in the Letter is Sir or Sir Alex Ferguson. To address him Orally is Sir or Sir Alex.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forms_of_address_in_the_United_Kingdom

Side Fact: Lords are defined by their area. Lord Sugar (there is actually only one) If there was more than one he would be Lord Sugar of (insert area name here)

lordgoat · 10-03-2011 12:44pm

OhNoYouDidn't wrote: »

But there must have been more than one Sir Alan at the time. How do you differentiate between them?

I mean do you adress a letter to 'Sir Alan"?

Like this:

Dear Sir Alan,

Please keep your dogs on your side of the fence, they are worring my livestock.

Yours,

Lord Goat

10-03-2011 12:50pm

OhNoYouDidn't wrote: »

You are from Cork. You should be doing no such thing.

Whatever about Sky, Irish people calling him Sir Alex, or SAF etc is plan bizarre.

You seemed to take umbrage with my use of the word you. Maybe I should have said 'one should'. I was merely stating in a factual way why one would say Sir Alex, no opinion involved

Where Im from (which you got wildly wrong, its a location I'm in) and how I refer to people is my own business. I have a respect for other peoples cultures and their sense of propriety. This has NOTHING to do with where I am from but a respect for other human beings.

If I was to meet the President of the United States I wouldnt say 'craic Barack' I'd address him by his due title, Mr. President.

parker kent · 10-03-2011 12:55pm

Saying Sir Alex Ferguson all the time takes longer than just saying Sir Alex. Sentences will just flow better when they say Sir Alex.

It is not is if we don't know who they are talking about. Who honestly watching any TV reference to Sir Alex has the following thought patterns: Story is about football. Story is about Manchester United. Story is about a mysterious Sir Alex, I wonder which Sir Alex they are talking about???

mike65 · 10-03-2011 1:03pm

It also means we can type Slur Alex (not that I believe in such cheap shots)

parker kent · 10-03-2011 1:04pm

101001 wrote: »

You seemed to take umbrage with my use of the word you. Maybe I should have said 'one should'. I was merely stating in a factual way why one would say Sir Alex, no opinion involved

Where Im from (which you got wildly wrong, its a location I'm in) and how I refer to people is my own business. I have a respect for other peoples cultures and their sense of propriety. This has NOTHING to do with where I am from but a respect for other human beings.

If I was to meet the President of the United States I wouldnt say 'craic Barack' I'd address him by his due title, Mr. President.

You were actually correct to use you as a pronoun since it was used in an informal forum. One is impersonal, and the use of the pronoun one always signifies formality. The Queen uses one as all her public pronouncements are formal given her title. It was also pretty clear from your post that you were using you as the second person plural.

secman · 10-03-2011 1:25pm

During a sqaud training session, when the players want to ask a question to the Gaffer, do they try to out stretch each other with raised arms and shout the loudest "Sir" Sir, Sir Sir Sir.sir sir sir sir si s............... didn't think so

Secman

lordgoat · 10-03-2011 1:38pm

secman wrote: »

During a sqaud training session, when the players want to ask a question to the Gaffer, do they try to out stretch each other with raised arms and shout the loudest "Sir" Sir, Sir Sir Sir.sir sir sir sir si s............... didn't think so

Secman

That actually happens.

Not Secman.

jaykay74 · 10-03-2011 1:39pm

lordgoat wrote: »

That actually happens.

Not Secman.

Unless Sir Bobby is also there. Then it just gets confusing.

A Dub in Glasgo · 10-03-2011 1:41pm

This 'Sir' business is just servient sh1te and if people want to use then that is up to them. It gets worse when the person actually insists that people use 'Sir' or other such servient sh1t. Alan Sugar being the prime example.

The Muppet · 10-03-2011 1:56pm

bobbysands81 wrote: »

What's the "irony" mate?

The British monarchy is sectarian, I am not. Do you or any of your "thankers" have the intelligence to debate this?

Look up the meaning of the word Republican.

Take that small minded ****e to politics,this is the soccer forum.

jacool · 10-03-2011 2:04pm

secman wrote: »

During a sqaud training session, when the players want to ask a question to the Gaffer, do they try to out stretch each other with raised arms and shout the loudest "Sir" Sir, Sir Sir Sir.sir sir sir sir si s............... didn't think so

Secman

Nobody questions Sir Alex!

abouttobebanned · 10-03-2011 2:05pm

weiland79 wrote: »

Do the media call Bob Geldof 'Sir Bob'?
I don't think so. Smacks of Sky media lick arsery.

Not calling someone by their surname now means that sky have a pro-man utd agenda. Thanks for clearing that up for us.

lordgoat · 10-03-2011 2:16pm

bobbysands81 wrote: »

What's the "irony" mate?

The British monarchy is sectarian, I am not. Do you or any of your "thankers" have the intelligence to debate this?

Look up the meaning of the word Republican.

Of, relating to, or characteristic of a republic.
Favoring a republic as the best form of government.
Republican Of, relating to, characteristic of, or belonging to the Republican Party of the United States.

Ah excellent a republician, just like all those nice people over in the democratic republic of congo. A truly nice bunch on non-sectarians right, while they are busy not being sectarian they also like a bit of mass genocide.

Interestingly Iraq under Saddam was also considered a republic. There's also the Dominican Republic, that was under the control of this wonderful republician: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rafael_Trujillo death toll >50,000

you know what pisses me off more than sectarianism, fuc-king republicians, sorry people who bandy around words that they don't know the meaning of.
Republic = label, a lot like any title these days really.

I can debate the **** out of this with you any time you'd like, but as pointed out it's a soccer forum.

OhNoYouDidn't · 10-03-2011 2:19pm

lordgoat wrote: »

Of, relating to, or characteristic of a republic.
Favoring a republic as the best form of government.
Republican Of, relating to, characteristic of, or belonging to the Republican Party of the United States.

Ah excellent a republician, just like all those nice people over in the democratic republic of congo. A truly nice bunch on non-sectarians right, while they are busy not being sectarian they also like a bit of mass genocide.

Interestingly Iraq under Saddam was also considered a republic. There's also the Dominican Republic, that was under the control of this wonderful republician: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rafael_Trujillo death toll >50,000

you know what pisses me off more than sectarianism, fuc-king republicians, sorry people who bandy around words that they don't know the meaning of.
Republic = label, a lot like any title these days really.

I can debate the **** out of this with you any time you'd like, but as pointed out it's a soccer forum.

Mother of god, thats some drivel. Congo?

u140acro3xs7dm · 10-03-2011 2:31pm

in before the lock

weiland79 · 10-03-2011 2:40pm

abouttobebanned wrote: »

Not calling someone by their surname now means that sky have a pro-man utd agenda. Thanks for clearing that up for us.

No not a Man Utd agenda just a ' we lurve you Sir Alex' agenda
I meant that they refer to Bob Geldof as simply that, Bob Geldof no sir or madame before his name. Actually come to think of it the only refer to Bobby as Sir Bobby too, so maybe it's just the English/British 'Knights' that get called this in normal converstation.

Why Sir Alex?

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