UCD Ball 2011

Killer Pigeon

Conor108 wrote: »

Jesus they've actually printed t-shirts? There's like 2 weeks until when the ball should've been, sure they know nothing can be done from scratch at this stage. Just wasting money so they can look like they're doing something.

Yes, they have printed T-shirts already and distributed them as well as flyers, etc ... all with lightning speed. The whole "Save Our Ball" thing seems to have been planned way before the press release about the Ball cancellation.

Healium

Yeah, woooooo! Down with student fees! Let's all buy yellow SU t-shirts tomorrow!

Blut2

If only the SU had put the same sort of organisation and planning into the UCD Ball as theyre doing for the Save Our Ball campaign, who knows what might have happened eh?

Killer Pigeon

Healium wrote: »

Yeah, woooooo! Down with student fees! Let's all buy yellow SU t-shirts tomorrow!

No, let's get F.E.E. flags and posters and start waving them beside the Corrib Gas Pipeline!! Yeeehoooo!! Afterward we'll go to Israel waving Palestinian flags beside a Gaza check point and get ourselves shot by the IDF!! Yeeehawwww!! It'll be a real activist adventure!!!

AIR-AUSSIE

PR stunt me thinks?

WeeBushy

Killer Pigeon wrote: »

Yes, they have printed T-shirts already and distributed them as well as flyers, etc ... all with lightning speed. The whole "Save Our Ball" thing seems to have been planned way before the press release about the Ball cancellation.

I hope for their sake they have time to plan it because its crap campaign.

And what a waste of money. Do they really expect it to make any difference?

Offside

Have they given a reason anywhere for why they can't just move the ball to the Saturday?

Fad

ironclaw wrote: »

Doesn't anyone else find it strange that they managed to print 100's of "Save our Ball" T-Shirts and Flyers within a day? Seeing as most if not all printers are closed on weekends.

Paddy Ryan got RON ones done overnight, if you have a contact it wouldn't be too hard tbh.

Fad

Offside wrote: »

Have they given a reason anywhere for why they can't just move the ball to the Saturday?

Thursday is last day of term, when the ball is always held, the only way the ball can be run is if all terms of the license are met.

The SU seem to have been genuinely fúcked over this time, the headliner thing was just a horrible coincidence.

**Timbuk2**

What's their justification for not announcing the headliners? If it's not going ahead, they may as well announce - add fuel to the 'Save the Ball' fire as said above.

I still don't believe there ever were headliners booked. I'm just finishing first year, so this is my first UCD Ball experience and it's pretty disappointing

unknown13

**Timbuk2** wrote: »

What's their justification for not announcing the headliners? If it's not going ahead, they may as well announce - add fuel to the 'Save the Ball' fire as said above.

I still don't believe there ever were headliners booked. I'm just finishing first year, so this is my first UCD Ball experience and it's pretty disappointing

I think it was probably more of getting contracts signed. All those acts that were released would have been pretty straight forward to deal with but the bigger acts would be a bit more difficult.

Oasis_Dublin

AIR-AUSSIE wrote: »

Didn't they have to completely re-sod the pitch after that concert? Or was it just a coincidence that it occurred afterwards?

"The recent pitch reconstruction works at Croke Park started directly after the GAA Leinster Football Final on 12th July and finished in advance of the GAA All Ireland Football Quarter Finals on 2nd August. During this period, following the removal of the turf, the impressive claw stage for the U2 360 Tour was build and the concerts were held over three nights from 24th to 27th July. The stage derig and dismantling commenced immediately after the concerts and a tight schedule of works took place to relay the pitch."

Began long before Bono Vox and the lads came to town.

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Oasis_Dublin

Killer Pigeon wrote: »

Yes, they have printed T-shirts already and distributed them as well as flyers, etc ... all with lightning speed. The whole "Save Our Ball" thing seems to have been planned way before the press release about the Ball cancellation.

They were aware from the 29th certainly. They cancelled the ball on saturday, thus giving them plenty of time to print a few t-shirts and flyers.

Oasis_Dublin

**Timbuk2** wrote: »

What's their justification for not announcing the headliners? If it's not going ahead, they may as well announce - add fuel to the 'Save the Ball' fire as said above.

I still don't believe there ever were headliners booked. I'm just finishing first year, so this is my first UCD Ball experience and it's pretty disappointing

Hardly a satisfactory answer but Big Johnny Cosgrove claims those names can't be released for contractual reasons, adding that "you wouldn't believe me if I told you anyway." He's a bit of a twat alright.

I hate the SU and their self-serving, first step on the political ladder, Paul Lynam for Seanad Éireann clique but it really does seem that they were royally fucked over by Martin Butler.

Bluefox21

Fad wrote: »

Thursday is last day of term, when the ball is always held, the only way the ball can be run is if all terms of the license are met.

The SU seem to have been genuinely fúcked over this time, the headliner thing was just a horrible coincidence.

You don't actually believe they've been f**ked over do you? The fact the ball is held on the last day of term is tradition but it is not set in stone. With regards to UCD they clearly did not construct a proper agreement, allowing the college to pull back from this so-called arrangement.

And if there were headliners the ball would be going ahead with a 4999 capacity which is permitted without a license. It's an absolute farce.

hatrickpatrick

Did anyone go to the Save Our Ball rally this afternoon?

Also, if they DID have an epic headliner 'lined up' (hehehe), surely by releasing it they would add fuel to their campaign and make it more likely the ball could go ahead?

I mean let's say it was the Coronas for instance, surely if they announced that, they would get a crapload of otherwise uninterested Coronas fans on board and thereby pile more pressure on the college admin? Announcing the headliner would almost definitely make the campaign more poerful, so not taking advantage of that opportunity seems very suspicious to me...

pljudge321

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

Did anyone go to the Save Our Ball rally this afternoon?

Also, if they DID have an epic headliner 'lined up' (hehehe), surely by releasing it they would add fuel to their campaign and make it more likely the ball could go ahead?

I mean let's say it was the Coronas for instance, surely if they announced that, they would get a crapload of otherwise uninterested Coronas fans on board and thereby pile more pressure on the college admin? Announcing the headliner would almost definitely make the campaign more poerful, so not taking advantage of that opportunity seems very suspicious to me...

Definition of Epic wrote:

very imposing or impressive; surpassing the ordinary (especially in size or scale); "an epic voyage"; "of heroic proportions"; "heroic sculpture"

:pac:

ironclaw

Oasis_Dublin wrote: »

They were aware from the 29th certainly. They cancelled the ball on saturday, thus giving them plenty of time to print a few t-shirts and flyers.

Printers don't work on Sunday's. That quantity would have taken time and effort. Design, costings etc etc. Don't be fooled. They were printed last week some time.

Announcing the headliner would almost definitely make the campaign more poerful, so not taking advantage of that opportunity seems very suspicious to me...

There never were any headliners. Like I said, last Wednesday the SU shops geared up for ticket sales i.e. The tickets must have been printed. Show us the tickets. Why not use the tickets as flyers for the "Save our Ball"? They are worthless anyway and would have saved a fortune instead of printing more.

ironclaw

ironclaw wrote: »

Printers don't work on Sunday's. That quantity would have taken time and effort. Design, costings etc etc. Don't be fooled. They were printed last week some time.

Russel @ Speciality Print which the SU and Societies used while I was in UCD would happily sort an order for you over the weekend, and also have it done in less than 12 hours.

There are also plenty of other specialist printing places that would give you a turnaround over a weekend.

The origination and design of the "Save Our Ball" posters and T-shirts would take all of two hours from even the most basic designer. Since the SU has an on-call designer, and many of the people involved would have decent abilities in design, this time can be drastically brought down too.

Read back a page, where I pointed this out already.

parker kent

**Timbuk2** wrote: »

I still don't believe there ever were headliners booked. I'm just finishing first year, so this is my first UCD Ball experience and it's pretty disappointing

It started in 2006 and has been cancelled twice (don't know about 2008, I was AWOL). So it is either awesome, wet and shít or it gets cancelled. Over your years in UCD you'll experience all of those!

gorrillafrier

Is there realistically any chance the ball will go ahead or are the SU just trying to look good ?

upandcumming

gorrillafrier wrote: »

Is there realistically any chance the ball will go ahead or are the SU just trying to look good ?

No. They're just trying to look good.

Fad

gorrillafrier wrote: »

Is there realistically any chance the ball will go ahead or are the SU just trying to look good ?

If the authorities in UCD will comply with the original license, that was granted, it can go ahead as planned.

dublin daz

How much is all this propaganda costing the union?

I think the union should have spent that money on something else more constructive.

The ball was cancelled, let's face it a few tshirts and posters isn't going to change that.

ironclaw

dublin daz wrote: »

How much is all this propaganda costing the union?

Probably €1000's. Those big banners ain't cheap and nor are T-Shirts. They are trying to look good and have an excuse for what they themselves messed up. I don't believe for one second that they didn't foresee this coming months ago. These events are planned on a box of cigarette's the weekend before, they take months. Someone knew this was going to happen and kept quiet until it would be realistically too late to make a difference, and thus absolving them of any blame.

WoollyRedHat

Hey anybody got a big field that we can use for the UCD Ball.. free entry for whoever lets UCD use it for the ball!

Oasis_Dublin

ironclaw wrote: »

Probably €1000's. Those big banners ain't cheap and nor are T-Shirts. They are trying to look good and have an excuse for what they themselves messed up. I don't believe for one second that they didn't foresee this coming months ago. These events are planned on a box of cigarette's the weekend before, they take months. Someone knew this was going to happen and kept quiet until it would be realistically too late to make a difference, and thus absolving them of any blame.

Not thousands at all. We ordered the t-shirts for the radio and they cost €2 each. There aren't even 100 printed, let alone the 500 that would be needed for your assumption to even begin to make sense.

They have put across the case that the UCD authorities only let them know that they were going back on their original agreement on March 29th.

Oasis_Dublin

ironclaw wrote: »

Printers don't work on Sunday's. That quantity would have taken time and effort. Design, costings etc etc. Don't be fooled. They were printed last week some time.

They were aware from last Thursday that the ball was to be cancelled. That's not one day, no matter what way you look at it.

Design?! Yeah, that red circle must have taken years and years to design!

ironclaw wrote: »

There never were any headliners. Like I said, last Wednesday the SU shops geared up for ticket sales i.e. The tickets must have been printed. Show us the tickets. Why not use the tickets as flyers for the "Save our Ball"? They are worthless anyway and would have saved a fortune instead of printing more.

Headliners' contracts were drawn up but not signed yet. They are usually signed closer to the ball.

dublin daz

Why did you get t-shirts printed for the radio? I doubt only 100 were printed.

If the SU think I am happy to have my union fees squandered then they are mistaken. Utter waste of money, even if it is only €2.

Oasis_Dublin

Bluefox21 wrote: »

You don't actually believe they've been f**ked over do you? The fact the ball is held on the last day of term is tradition but it is not set in stone. With regards to UCD they clearly did not construct a proper agreement, allowing the college to pull back from this so-called arrangement.

And if there were headliners the ball would be going ahead with a 4999 capacity which is permitted without a license. It's an absolute farce.

The SU did not make a proper agreement, true enough. They did have it in writing that UCD authorities would close the campus from 1PM on the 21st though.

They need to sell 80% of the 8,000 tickets to break even under the currently proposed acts. 4,999 would not suffice therefore, unless ticket prices were to go up further.