Japanese earthquake / tsunami discussion

maquiladora

Hope this works. Hopefully radiation won't be too high for the guys operating it on the ground :

Police eye using water cannon to cool Fukushima No. 4 reactor

TOKYO, March 16, Kyodo

The National Police Agency is considering using a special water cannon truck held by the Metropolitan Police Department to cool a pool storing spent fuel rods at the troubled No. 4 reactor at the Fukushima No. 1 nuclear power plant, police sources said Wednesday.

The operation could start as early as Wednesday night, they said.

cherryghost

You can't believe anybody right now tbh.

Mr Benevolent

cherryghost wrote: »

You can't believe anybody right now tbh.

Agreed. This is getting more confused by the hour.

Rob A. Bank

Saadyst wrote: »

The French are surrendering? :pac:

Is this what the pro-nuclear lobbyists are reduced to now ?

France gets over 75% of its electricity from nuclear power and has great experience in the safe use of nuclear plants.

So I would listen to the French ahead of some aristocratic brit any day of the week.

(PS. They were right about Iraq too) ;-)

Run_to_da_hills

cherryghost wrote: »

You can't believe anybody right now tbh.

This is exactly why countries like France, Italy and Finland are advising their citizens to get the hell out of Tokyo.

Mr Benevolent

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

This is exactly why countries like France, Italy and Finland are advising their citizens to get the hell out of Tokyo.

Are you saying they might be listening to a certain Iron Maiden song on the way?

Thrill

Japan gov't spokesman now says no 'major' damage to Reactor 3 at Fukushima-1 nuke plant.

jackiebaron

Thrill wrote: »

If countries were newspapers, France would be The Sun.

Ireland would be The Beano

Chad ghostal

cherryghost wrote: »

You can't believe anybody right now tbh.

Can I ask what reason you have to believe TEPCO or anyone else is lying? -- other than the speculation by people off site.. actual reports of errors found or anything? I'm not having a go, just genuinely curious. People are constantly going on about the lies and how the government are fooling everyone, but noone has given sources or anything like evidence.

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

This is exactly why countries like France, Italy and Finland are advising their citizens to get the hell out of Tokyo.

I can't speculate on Italy and Finland, but from speaking to French people they believe it is more politically motivated than based on anything else... I will be paying attention to the american embassy as they have people on the ground much closer to the situation.

Rob A. Bank

Zayden Hallowed Bayonet wrote: »

How is it that radiation levels are so low yet there is so much escaping? Surely it has to go somewhere?

Its blowing out to sea... as long as there is a westerly component to the wind.

"Helicopters deployed to dump water on the facility on Wednesday have been pulled out amid concerns over radiation."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-pacific-12755739

baalthor

maquiladora wrote: »

Also, apart from the French, Italians and Germans....

Yesterday the Irish govt asked its citizens to consider if they really need to stay in Japan.

Tristram

Deleted User wrote: »

A link would have been sufficient.

Don’t paste it in full and people complain, paste it in full and people complain. Damned if you do and damned if you don’t Anyway, I’m off to listen to Abba for a while before trying to calm down more frantic expats intent on fleeing these fair shores.

jackiebaron

Chad ghostal wrote: »

Can I ask what reason you have to believe TEPCO or anyone else is lying? -- other than the speculation by people off site.. actual reports of errors found or anything? I'm not having a go, just genuinely curious. People are constantly going on about the lies and how the government are fooling everyone, but noone has given sources or anything like evidence.



I can't speculate on Italy and Finland, but from speaking to French people they believe it is more politically motivated than based on anything else... I will be paying attention to the american embassy as they have people on the ground much closer to the situation.

Well you can really count on the unvarnished truth from the Americans, that's for sure :rolleyes:

Ardent

Tristram wrote: »

Don’t paste it in full and people complain, paste it in full and people complain. Damned if you do and damned if you don’t Anyway, I’m off to listen to Abba for a while before trying to calm down more frantic expats intent on fleeing these fair shores.

Never mind him, most of us appreciated the full transcript in your post.

mike65

Rob A. Bank wrote: »

Its blowing out to sea... as long as there is a westerly component to the wind.

"Helicopters deployed to dump water on the facility on Wednesday have been pulled out amid concerns over radiation."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-pacific-12755739

Can't they use NBC suits? a fleet of helicopters would mean any one pilot would only be in potential danger for a short time.

opinion guy

Zayden Hallowed Bayonet wrote: »

How is it that radiation levels are so low yet there is so much escaping? Surely it has to go somewhere?

a) alot of it is going to see
b) the radiation that has been confirmed to have escaped so far has NOT been in the form of vapourised nuclear fuel, it has been radioactive steam from the cooling systems. This form of radiation decays quickly and does not travel that far before having dissipated.

c) There is an awful lot of chicken-little-ism going on, including in this thread. Will you all take some vallium please ?

dolphin city

[QUOTE I will be paying attention to the american embassy .[/QUOTE]

Funniest comment of the day award!

cherryghost

Chad ghostal wrote: »

Can I ask what reason you have to believe TEPCO or anyone else is lying?

For possibly a few reasons:
- Concealment of vital information from the Japanese authority. They've already concealed information regarding the plant's status at the beginning, leading many of us to believe there was no problem at all.
- Prevention of further damage to nuclear development and reputation.

In the past 5 days there's been 'Everything is ok' to 'Level alert 4' to 'Noez France sayz 6' to 'It's the apocalypse alright'. In fact on some media sources the so called 'experts' say things will be grand once they find the right solution. Which one are you going to believe?

I'm not believing what TEPCO say, I'm not believing what the Japanese government says, and I don't believe what the media says. It's just too varied. All I'm assuming now is that they're trying to keep the temperatures under control, whether its working or not I don't know.

Saadyst

Originally Posted by Zayden Hallowed Bayonet
How is it that radiation levels are so low yet there is so much escaping? Surely it has to go somewhere?

Rob A. Bank wrote: »

Its blowing out to sea... as long as there is a westerly component to the wind.

"Helicopters deployed to dump water on the facility on Wednesday have been pulled out amid concerns over radiation."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-pacific-12755739

No, it's because so far the radiation released has a very, very short half-life. In seconds or minutes, it's gone. Unless you're in the immediate vicinity, in which case it's a different matter.


But sure 24pt font headlines screaming "RADIATION LEAK AT NUCLEAR POWER PLANT" and then not having the article explain the leak - that's much better to get people reading it.

Rob A. Bank

Saadyst wrote: »

No, it's because so far the radiation released has a very, very short half-life. In seconds or minutes, it's gone. Unless you're in the immediate vicinity, in which case it's a different matter.

lol

So the 7th fleet were mistaken when they detected radioactivity 160km downwind.

I wish the pro-nuclear choirboys would get real !

Chad ghostal

cherryghost wrote: »

For possibly a few reasons:
- Concealment of vital information from the Japanese authority. They've already concealed information regarding the plant's status at the beginning, leading many of us to believe there was no problem at all.
- Prevention of further damage to nuclear development and reputation.

First point I believe was just a delay and not a concerted effort to decieve.
Second point I doubt people are thinking this during such a crisis, but obviously that's just speculation.

cherryghost wrote: »

In the past 5 days there's been 'Everything is ok' to 'Level alert 4' to 'Noez France sayz 6' to 'It's the apocalypse alright'. In fact on some media sources the so called 'experts' say things will be grand once they find the right solution. Which one are you going to believe?

I haven't been paying attention to the levels tbh, just trying to find out what is actually occuring atm. Classifying it seems a bit redundant atm, it's not as if it's going to follow a script.

cherryghost wrote: »

I'm not believing what TEPCO say, I'm not believing what the Japanese government says, and I don't believe what the media says. It's just too varied. All I'm assuming now is that they're trying to keep the temperatures under control, whether its working or not I don't know.

That's fair enough, I came to the assumption from listening to TEPCO. They are describing everything in the here and now and not, just facts and I think that's the only conclusion they are coming to i.e. they are trying to cool it and not having great success, but there does not seem to be a serious amount of radiation leaking for any length of time.
It's just wait and see for everyone.

opinion guy

Rob A. Bank wrote: »

lol

So the 7th fleet were mistaken when they detected radioactivity 160km downwind.

I wish the pro-nuclear choirboys would get real !

Watch this and listen to the last sentence:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bbVwIVg9W8E

AS
A
PRE-CAUTION


And they have since moved back

Saadyst

Rob A. Bank wrote: »

lol

So the 7th fleet were mistaken when they detected radioactivity 160km downwind.

I wish the pro-nuclear choirboys would get real !

Calling me a "pro-nuclear choirboy" doesn't mean anything to me, since I have no real interest one way or another what is used. I'm more concerned with dealing with accurate information, not scare-mongering as you have committed yourself to. Whether that is through ignorance of the facts or through agenda, I don't really care.

You're wrong, simple as that.

The USS Ronald Reagan detected radiation:

7th Fleet commander Jeff Davis elaborated: "The maximum potential radiation dose received by any ship's force personnel aboard the ship when it passed through the area was less than the radiation exposure received from about one month of exposure to natural background radiation from sources such as rocks, soil, and the sun."

So basically, they would get more "radiation poisoning" by going on holiday to Lanzarote than they did here.

Time to cancel Christmas :rolleyes:

oppenheimer1

jackiebaron wrote: »

Ireland would be The Beano

Fuck sake, do ye not have any pride in your own country at all?

deisedevil

oppenheimer1 wrote: »

Fuck sake, do ye not have any pride in your own country at all?

Are you from Ireland?

Mister men

This thing seems to be getting worse by the day.:(

maquiladora

Severe damage to No. 3 reactor's containment vessel unlikely: Edano

TOKYO, March 17, Kyodo

Chief Cabinet Secretary Yukio Edano suggested Wednesday it is unlikely that the containment vessel of the No. 3 reactor at the Fukushima No. 1 nuclear power plant has been damaged severely.

''The possibility of the No. 3 reactor having suffered severe damage to its containment vessel is low,'' the government's nuclear disaster headquarters reported.

The top government spokesman pointed out earlier in the day that the containment vessel may have been damaged, noting that steam was spewing out of part of the critical structure.

opinion guy

Mister men wrote: »

This thing seems to be getting worse by the day.:(

No it doesn't. Its pretty much been at the same level for days now.

Run_to_da_hills

Confab wrote: »

Are you saying they might be listening to a certain Iron Maiden song on the way?

or "Be quick or be dead"

old hippy

oppenheimer1 wrote: »

Fuck sake, do ye not have any pride in your own country at all?

Pride is a strange old bird. I never had pride in anything, it was more pride in people, family, loved ones. But we digress...