Japanese earthquake / tsunami discussion

Rob A. Bank

opinion guy wrote: »

No it doesn't. Its pretty much been at the same level for days now.

Are we living on the same planet ?

Oranage2

i see its now snowing in Japan. and if Ireland is anything to go by, its probably the worst of what's happening there.

Tristram

Oranage2 wrote: »

i see its now snowing in Japan. and if Ireland is anything to go by, its probably the worst of what's happening there.

The weather is making a difficult situation worse at the moment. The range is approx. -4 to +4 in Miyagi with snow. The forecast doesnt predict it to pick up until Saturday and even then the night time temperatures are going to be low

jackiebaron

cherryghost wrote: »

For possibly a few reasons:
- Concealment of vital information from the Japanese authority. They've already concealed information regarding the plant's status at the beginning, leading many of us to believe there was no problem at all.
- Prevention of further damage to nuclear development and reputation.

In the past 5 days there's been 'Everything is ok' to 'Level alert 4' to 'Noez France sayz 6' to 'It's the apocalypse alright'. In fact on some media sources the so called 'experts' say things will be grand once they find the right solution. Which one are you going to believe?

I'm not believing what TEPCO say, I'm not believing what the Japanese government says, and I don't believe what the media says. It's just too varied. All I'm assuming now is that they're trying to keep the temperatures under control, whether its working or not I don't know.

Also...didn't the President of TEPCO tell the plant manager that if he pulled out all staff from the reactor then "this company (TEPCO) is finished" ?

BP gave the same bull**** lies and underestimates during the Deepwater disaster.

maquiladora

Tokyo, March 16 (Jiji Press)--Radiation levels about 6,600 times normal were detected on Tuesday at a place 20 kilometers away from a nuclear power plant at the center of Japan's nuclear crisis, the science ministry said Wednesday.

http://jen.jiji.com/jc/eng?g=eco&k=2011031600567

amacachi

jackiebaron wrote: »

Also...didn't the President of TEPCO tell the plant manager that if he pulled out all staff from the reactor then "this company (TEPCO) is finished" ?

BP gave the same bull**** lies and underestimates during the Deepwater disaster.

I thought it was the Japanese PM though I'm open to correction.

maquiladora

NEWS ADVISORY: Water injection into ponds at No. 3, No. 4 reactors priority: agency (22:32)
NEWS ADVISORY: Spent fuel pool at No. 3 reactor heated, emitting steam: nuke agency (22:27)


So the priority now is focused on these spent fuel pools and not a reactor meltdown.

maquiladora

amacachi wrote: »

I thought it was the Japanese PM though I'm open to correction.

Yes, it was the Japanese PM, overheard by reporters allegedly.

Tristram

amacachi wrote: »

I thought it was the Japanese PM though I'm open to correction.

It was PM Naoto Kan. Japan has no president.

Rob A. Bank

maquiladora wrote: »

Tokyo, March 16 (Jiji Press)--Radiation levels about 6,600 times normal were detected on Tuesday at a place 20 kilometers away from a nuclear power plant at the center of Japan's nuclear crisis, the science ministry said Wednesday.

http://jen.jiji.com/jc/eng?g=eco&k=2011031600567

Surely they must be mistaken !

The pro nuclear choirboys on this thread say...

Saadyst wrote: »

No, it's because so far the radiation released has a very, very short half-life. In seconds or minutes, it's gone. Unless you're in the immediate vicinity, in which case it's a different matter.

yoganmahew

maquiladora wrote: »

So the priority now is focused on these spent fuel pools and not a reactor meltdown.

Well, it sounds like that is where the immediate fire-fighting is. Given that they are essentially uncontained, it would seem to be sensible.

Does this give an indication that the puming of seawater/boric acid into the reaction chambers has essentially worked? Or have the reactors dropped off radar for the moment? (The butterfly has landed on another flower...).

Thrill

jackiebaron wrote: »

Also...didn't the President of TEPCO tell the plant manager that if he pulled out all staff from the reactor then "this company (TEPCO) is finished" ?

BP gave the same bull**** lies and underestimates during the Deepwater disaster.

It was the Japanese Prime Minister that ordered them to stay, but TEPCO later withdrew 750 staff from the plant.

Thrill

Rob A. Bank wrote: »

Surely they must be mistaken !

The pro nuclear choirboys on this thread say...

He did say "so far". This announcement has only just been made.

The anti-nuclear choirboys must be delighted with the news.

Saadyst

Originally Posted by maquiladora
Tokyo, March 16 (Jiji Press)--Radiation levels about 6,600 times normal were detected on Tuesday at a place 20 kilometers away from a nuclear power plant at the center of Japan's nuclear crisis, the science ministry said Wednesday.

http://jen.jiji.com/jc/eng?g=eco&k=2011031600567

Rob A. Bank wrote: »

Surely they must be mistaken !

The pro nuclear choirboys on this thread say...

It's good that you read my post but chose not to reply. What's the matter, can you not retort with anything that's factual?


Did you even click that link you quoted? Here's the next bit:

Originally Posted by the site that Rob A. Bank probably failed to read

Radiation levels reached 195 to 330 microsieverts per hour in the Fukushima Prefecture town of Namie in radiation monitoring activities for about 10 minutes from 8:40 p.m. Tuesday (11:40 a.m. GMT), the ministry said.

Here's something interesting for you:

One chest CT scan generates 6900 micro sievert per scan.

opinion guy

Rob A. Bank wrote: »

Are we living on the same planet ?

Definitely not. Nuclear wise its status quo. Snow is a separate issue though and a worrying development.

Rob A. Bank wrote: »

maquiladora
Tokyo, March 16 (Jiji Press)--Radiation levels about 6,600 times normal were detected on Tuesday at a place 20 kilometers away from a nuclear power plant at the center of Japan's nuclear crisis, the science ministry said Wednesday.
http://jen.jiji.com/jc/eng?g=eco&k=2011031600567

Surely they must be mistaken !

The pro nuclear choirboys on this thread say...

Saadyst
No, it's because so far the radiation released has a very, very short half-life. In seconds or minutes, it's gone. Unless you're in the immediate vicinity, in which case it's a different matter.

This things are not mutually exclusive. You really don't understand the issues. You are kind of embarassing yourself with these scaremongering posts and potentially alarming people reading who may have relatives out there. I'm asking you nicely to please stop this.

By the way I'm not a pro-nuclear fanboy, I voted for the Green party

Vodkat

Saadyst wrote: »

One chest CT scan generates 6900 micro sievert per scan.

Are you sure thats not per hour rather than per scan?

maquiladora

Vodkat wrote: »

Are you sure thats not per hour rather than per scan?

Per scan.

opinion guy

Actually according to the Health Physics Society its more than that:
http://www.hps.org/hpspublications/articles/dosesfrommedicalradiation.html

The readings in brackets are milli Sv.
CT head - 2.0mSv = 2000microSv
CT chest - 8.0mSv = 8000microSv
CT abdomean - 10mSV = 10000microSv
CT pelvis - 10mSV = 10000microSv

It would be quite common for trauma, icu or cancer patients to have multiple CT scans during a hospital admission

dolphin city

Oranage2 wrote: »

i see its now snowing in Japan. and if Ireland is anything to go by, its probably the worst of what's happening there.

hides head behind computer screen and sniggers maniacally :D:D

Topper Harley01

The more Rob. A. Bank, posts, the more I am reminded of this scene-

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XJsTbKEHH9g

Seriously, calm down and stop hyperventilating. You are practically having an orgasm at the thought of a meltdown, purely so you can say 'I told you so'. You seem to be genuinely enjoying the unfortunate events.

oppenheimer1

I didn't realise there were so many nuclear physicists on boards...

amacachi

oppenheimer1 wrote: »

I didn't realise there were so many nuclear physicists on boards...

You're the first person to make that attempt at a sly dig on this thread.

Thrill

oppenheimer1 wrote: »

I didn't realise there were so many nuclear physicists on boards...

I dont think anyone has claimed to be one in fairness.

jimcoolding

Can anyone give me a quick simple rundown on what's happening please.

Cheers.

opinion guy

amacachi wrote: »

You're the first person to make that attempt at a sly dig on this thread.

No but he is the first one who has worked on the manhattan project.

Thrill wrote: »

I dont think anyone has claimed to be one in fairness.

Actually one user has said they work in the nuclear industry. forget his name - begins with m

kona

Thrill wrote: »

I dont think anyone has claimed to be one in fairness.

My brother is doing Theoretical Physics, I linked him to some of the posts here, he laughed.

Raskolnikov

oppenheimer1 wrote: »

I didn't realise there were so many nuclear physicists on boards...

Says the guy who is named after the "father of the atom bomb" - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J._Robert_Oppenheimer

What is unnerving me most about this is that nuclear experts (I mean people with postgraduate degrees!) seem to be split between whether the seriousness of the situation.

maquiladora

opinion guy wrote: »

Actually one user has said they work in the nuclear industry. forget his name - begins with m

http://geeksofdoom.com/GoD/img/2009/03/2009-03-12-dr_manhattan.jpg

opinion guy

Raskolnikov wrote: »

Says the guy who is named after the "father of the atom bomb" - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J._Robert_Oppenheimer

What is unnerving me most about this is that nuclear experts (I mean people with postgraduate degrees!) seem to be split between whether the seriousness of the situation.

You have to ask yourself which ones are overexcited to be on TV/listened to for a change and filter those ones out.

Dempsey

Raskolnikov wrote: »

Says the guy who is named after the "father of the atom bomb" - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J._Robert_Oppenheimer

What is unnerving me most about this is that nuclear experts (I mean people with postgraduate degrees!) seem to be split between whether the seriousness of the situation.

I think this could be down to who is paying their wages and them knowing which side their bread is buttered.